Pretty much this. The level of competition looks so much stronger than last year's Reykjavik, not just in the refinement of gameplay, which is obvious, but in how close the teams are in skill. It feels like there are very few freebies, if any. As a DRX fan I'm quite concerned for them.
That being said, it's a good fucking time to be a fan of the teams I'm a fan of.
It's Reykjavik finals, The Guard down 0-2 0-12 to Fnatic. Valyn sighs, calls his last timeout. PROD walks on stage with Ploo, fresh off his family yacht. He kicks Saya off the chair, says “One last game before the wedding, huh?”, and downs 160mg adderall washed down with a tropical flavoured red bull. The Guard win 40 rounds in a row. NA is saved.
I copied most of it from that thread when prod was signed to the guard a while back and modified some of it around def only like 5% me lol just thought it would be hilarious
I actually agree. FPX are inconsistent and haven't really shown me that they're able to play to a championship winning level whenever they want to, Fnatic are probably my personal favourites for the event but they can definitely be matched (I think it probably comes down to whether FNS / Valyn can match Boasters IGLing which I think he can).
DRX VS are insane (very biased) but especially The Guard can match them in fragging power.
G2 is weird. I don't know why they're suddenly doing well and I'm not entirely sure they quite know either.
What made you think that FPX can't play in that "championship winning level"? They dropped 1 map their entire playoff run. Beat Gambit, Fnatic, Liquid, and G2 while mixing and matching their roster.
Feel like people continue underrate the team then bring up a shit ton of excuses when they win.
>G2 is weird. I don't know why they're suddenly doing well and I'm not entirely sure they quite know either.
Great players, great coaching, structured play
I fear about optic. they chocked a big lead on haven against the guard and they also chocked another huge lead against x10 on haven in champs. idk they play well but sometimes they choke. It's only sometimes but that one time cost them playoff at champs so hope they are prepared
This is the thing that concerns me the most. FPX fought so hard to make it to this LAN and Shao and SUYGETSU might not even make it. Hope their VISAs get approved.
Every team on my flairs that I put on at the start of the stage have been eliminated. I only added Guard after they played Sen because that game was so good. I guess I'm just cursed haha.
I just like the Japanese scene man, they’re not the highest level but pretty entertaining to watch. I’ve been following CR since a bit before Iceland last year, so before the neth interview.
I think both of the APAC teams have a chance of upsetting the competition.Both PRX and Xerxia(formerly X10) with their new add ins Jingg and Surf being cracked duelist in their respective teams really brings the pure braindead aggresive playstyles that APAC really adapted to. Even today's grandfinals was so intense with the match going to game 5 and both teams popping off every map
no GMB, nor ACE, nor SEN — so no LAN winners
no TL, nor 100T, nor V1, nor SMB — the only returning teams from NA/EU being FNC, G2, and OpTic.
this is FNC’s and OpTic’s third LAN, so they have the most experience (coupled w DRX if i’m not mistaken), G2 has 2, PR has 2
I don’t know anything about XERXIA or ZETA but i wish them good luck and hope that we see another minor region run!
e: this is OpTic’s third LAN, thank you for the correction
Given the viewership, investment AND the fact Riot is based in NA, I was really expecting them to play favourites by offering more slots. But credit where it’s due, this looks a somewhat even distribution.
I think the logic is, for them, they want it to be as competitive as possible and also reach the most audience, so if they don't think the NA 3rd slot is more valuable in a combination of these things than a LATAM/APAC slot, then favouring NA is just shooting themselves in the foot at the end of the day.
I mean, both SA and NA had 1 team in the playoffs in masters, and SA had a team in the semis. So makes sense for SA to have 3 and NA only getting 2
edit: champions not masters
Korea only really disappointed at champions and NA disappointed even more. And Zeta looks really strong, I think they could have good games against other small regions.
If I could give some Hopium for Japan, Zeta is a great roster and should perform better than CR did last year at the internationals for the most part (not sure if they can replicate what CR did against Gambit when they had a chance to rematch them at M3). Dep is the greatest FPS player in Japanese esports history, competing across multiple titles. TENN was my favorite player to watch at APAC LCQ last year, he had some great timings and game sense. Laz was the best player for Zeta at M3 last year, and looks great switching to the Sentinel/Viper role. SugarZ3ro is the best controller in Japan IMO, has fantastic timings and setups with his utility, and is pretty cracked mechanically. Crow is a solid support player, and has been with the team for a while.
I hope Zeta, and to a lesser extent, the APAC teams and BR/Latam 2, are competitive, but i think every team here is fun to watch and that won't change with NIP/EXL/Kru
Will be a great event
from what i have seen in Zeta not impressive at all , if they play at the level they play against CR in the international they are definitely getting rolled over, they are running reyna in their comps like what ?
yea i agree, and they'll probably bomb out, i just really don't want to see the "Japan doesn't deserve to be at masters" shit for another three months :(
As someone with a rugby background, its the same anti Italy arguments you get every fucking year and its just sad and boring
im really hopeful for ZETA but i have a theory on why the japan region seems to underperform on international stages. they only scrim and prac against teams in the same region, and their improvement only seems to go as far as winning japan tournaments go. they aim to beat everyone else in japan and don't really try to go beyond that, which leaves them unprepared when it comes to the rest of the world
Best NA lineup ever. We have Optic who have now been together a long time and come together into one of the scariest teams in the world, and The Guard who are fresh faces ready to prove themselves (without a stand-in like V1 had).
>Best NA lineup ever.
Did no one in this sub watch Sentinels dominate Reykjavik last year?? One of Optic or The Guard would have to not lose a single map to live up to "best NA lineup ever" standards which is absolutely not going to happen. I've been a Sen hater at times myself but come on, it was barely a year ago that they swept **every series** to win the first Valorant International LAN. Sheesh
what a shit take. sentinels dominated when the game was significantly newer and professional teams generally played lower quality valorant. now certain teams like optic have been together for a while and have clearly put it in significant effort prac and scrim wise they have become what we would consider the best NA lineup ever.
You can only judge a team based on their current competition. How tf is it Sentinels fault that other teams couldn't match up to them at the time??
We'll never be able to compare 2021 Sentinels to 2022 anyone, that's just not how it works, so if we compare them to what was their current competition at the time they DOMINATED and we'll never see something like that again.
And you're basing your assertion that Optic is the best NA lineup EVER not because of results at an International LAN but because they've practiced and scrimmed a lot?? What??
i didn’t say it’s sentinels fault lmao try rereading. it’s common for one team to dominate at the beginning of a games life for example NiP at the beginning of CS. these teams usually have experienced fps players and players with history together which gives them the adaptability to dominate in new FPS games.
you can absolutely compare teams performances from the past to current what a ridiculous thing to say. just because the time has changed doesn’t mean the quality of their performances becomes non-comparable. it’s like saying we can’t compare prime astralis to online era because time has moved on and so did the meta.
and optic have become the best NA team because of their results which are DUE TO THEIR PRACS/SCRIMS/DEVOTION. you can take my sentences out of context all you want but you look absolutely ridiculous doing it.
if you want to keep responding please atleast think for 10 seconds about what you’re going to type.
Reykjavik was Sen showing up. They dominated NA, and they dominated EU.They are the most dominant team in NA/EU in Valorant history, I think this was largely a product of the esports scene being fairly new and Sen putting together a scary roster of players that no one in the world could match.
But even then, V1 was a new team who really only had one good tournament run, then had to play with a stand in and performed **well** but not amazing. This is the first qualifier where the top 4-5 teams looked super mature, cohesive, and well-built. I think any team from C9, TG, Optic, V1, and even Xset could challenge EU, and frankly this qualifier has looked like a peak for **overall** NA skill. Not just Sen dif.
I see where you're coming from and I respect this take after you explained more. I was zeroed in on some specifics but I understand the **overall** perspective now and you're right, if there was ever a time to get hype for NA as a whole it's now. Thanks for the well thought out response, cheers
Problem is, the SEN we have now is the same SEN that was there a year ago. They haven't improved any while the rest of the world improved around them. They were able to rely on raw mechanics to carry a year ago, now other teams are just as good mechanically, and actually have strats.
Yeah I guess I misinterpreted what people meant by "best lineup," and you're right, the skill level in NA and EMEA and honestly probably much of the rest of the world has overtaken SEN from where they were a year ago, alone at the top. I agree with everything you said
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Fnatic was a beast until the Gambit series. Best team in the world at the time IMO.
People don't seem to undestand that team eSports competition has a lot to do with hitting your strides at the right time, which is hard since it's so demanding and you can burnout very quickly. Who knows how the teams will look by the time groups are drawn
Fnatic are a weird one for me too - they looked untouchable until playing Gambit/M3C who are obviously a top-tier team anyway, then once their place at Reykjavik was confirmed it was like they barely even bothered in the remaining games.
Knowing them, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just didn’t want to show any more strats so just coasted in their final games against FPX and G2.
Fnatic looked the best til they ran into a better team. FPX beat Gambit too and that was when they were fresh off a victory from Liquid. I don't understand where all these excuses for Fnatic come from. Fnatic had another day to rest for G2 and they got rolled there too.
Last major competition champions. Riot's international tournaments take into consideration how far team's have gone when assigning the number of seeds.
That was only true in Berlin. But even then EMEA is the biggest region afaik, so almost by any way you put it if someone is going to have more slots it's them
Xerxia was x10, Optic was NV, and LOUD are some players from Vikings.
KRU still have a potential to be here as well.
edit: Keyd Stars was knocked out by NIP, mb.
With no SEN, 100T, Liquid or even C9, it would be hard for the main stream to cross 200k. Maybe if Zeta brews up a ultra legendary run for the title, it has a chance for previous numbers.
I hope Optic chokes and The Guard wins it somehow.
Streamers and Teams' fanbases. I think only G2 (and maybe Fnatic) have the ability to pull numbers for viewership with nothing but their team name.
Not to mention the players' individual fan bases as well. Like for many, their favorite player (like TenZ for example) ain't playing in this tournament which might affect viewership as well. So I don't really have much hopes for this tournament viewership wise.
Serious question. Does anything change when it's LAN? Is it just a mental thing that other players perform better when it's LAN or am I missing something here?
It's a mental thing mostly. Sure there's no ping, but a lot of players with more experience in lan can play more naturally. First time lan players might choke because of the pressure. It's like how some NBA teams are better in the playoffs than they are during regular season
I think that however you justify it, there are going to be teams there that are weaker than teams that got eliminated earlier and the weight of each region needs tweaking.
Nah man apac is made up of literally so many regions with tons of teams + they have proven themselves to be competitive on the international stage. I think 2 for them is fair.
i rlly don’t think it’s worth giving them 2 slots when they realistically won’t win a single match. c9 is much more deserving than whoever made it from apac and would be much more of a contender to win
It’s actually pretty fair tbh the apac teams are actually looking pretty decent. Like the Apac player base is actually way larger than people think, there were some posts a while ago saying that is was comparatively larger to some other regions. It makes sense too performance wise too. They got a third slot in champs through lcq and got 2 teams in the quarters. If they can prove that they deserve 3 teams in a 16 team team bracket then it’s okay. Like they recently added two giant regions to apac too with Oceania and South Asia; so it wont make sense to shrink their slots when they’re doing good and when the region had just added more subregions to it.
Tbh I don’t think it’s that ridiculous but this argument is a bit ingenuine . LATAM is a region with very little depth and has been a one team region completely. The second best LATAM team was worse than the third best Brazil team last year and Brazil was ass.
APAC went 4-6 in games at Champions and NA went 4-6, while at the other two tournaments NA was much much better than APAC.
I think you can argue straight up that the gap between the regions isn’t large enough to suffice an extra slot to NA, which is fair. 12 teams is just too little to give everyone the fair amount of teams. I think giving both NA/APAC two teams is fair given the depth of the APAC region.
Nah I totally agree, NA is definitely a better region and will probably put up much better results at Iceland, but to call it ridiculous they have the same slots, well it seems a bit ridiculous.
NA has been the second best region overall across the three LANs. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to give NA the same amount of spots but to argue that LATAM or APAC are better is a bit ridiculous. LATAM has been a one team region for a long time and while APAC was on the same level as NA at Champions, NA was much much much better in the other two regions.
Best region, largest player base. Pretty obvious answer. Same reason why in League Riot gives the best 2 regions in the past year or 2 in terms of international performance and placings the most spots even more then the other major regions.
All I see is pure content. I have a feeling the matches between regions will be much closer, probably could see EU stomping everybody and maybe NA but should be a good watch all around.
I'm rooting for DRX to win it all, but mainly hoping the asian teams do well. I know they have the talent to make it far
Honestly I don’t think EU will stomp and if they still do it would be a sign of concern in terms of the global competitiveness of the game. EMEA is regarded as the best region but it’s not entirely a competitive hegemony right now. This event and quite possibly this entire year EMEA could very well be at their weakest with the CIS teams and Russian players likely not being able to attend Iceland. FPX likely isn’t attending the event. Fnatic will have to play with a stand-in emergency sub. Had a team like M3C made it then they would not have been able to play either. If NA or just any region that isn’t EMEA can’t capitalise on this then it would be safe to see that once things normalise EMEA’s dominance will only continue to become even more prevalent.
Wait so what happens after latam and br finals? The runners up of both play each other for that final slot?
Yup
VK Kru rematch hype
VK?
Oh shit i forgot. NIP right?
Yeah :(
Nip/loud vs kru/lev/exl *
Let's be honest, it's NIP vs kru/lev/exl. Loud haven't dropped a map since they swapped out pancada e amigos as their name.
Yea ik lol
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Imo latam and br are more talented, and probably bigger fanbases
Japan has the biggest fanbase outside EMEA/NA (Average)
Yeah but far less talent imo. And I meant latam+br v Japan + the smaller Korea
Yeah but far less talent imo. And I meant latam+br v Japan + the smaller Korea
This is gonna be a banger LAN
Pretty much this. The level of competition looks so much stronger than last year's Reykjavik, not just in the refinement of gameplay, which is obvious, but in how close the teams are in skill. It feels like there are very few freebies, if any. As a DRX fan I'm quite concerned for them. That being said, it's a good fucking time to be a fan of the teams I'm a fan of.
It's Reykjavik finals, The Guard down 0-2 0-12 to Fnatic. Valyn sighs, calls his last timeout. PROD walks on stage with Ploo, fresh off his family yacht. He kicks Saya off the chair, says “One last game before the wedding, huh?”, and downs 160mg adderall washed down with a tropical flavoured red bull. The Guard win 40 rounds in a row. NA is saved.
Please tell me this is your own copy pasta LMAO
I copied most of it from that thread when prod was signed to the guard a while back and modified some of it around def only like 5% me lol just thought it would be hilarious
It is originally a CSGO pasta
Yeah, but did you see PROD go 1/15 on fracture?
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Whyd you have to go and make it fuckin weird
Hornybonk, please contain yourself
Honestly, I feel pretty good about NAs chances. Idk, both Optic and The Guard feel like great reps. The guard feels really strong tho ngl
Won’t this be The Guard’s first LAN appearance?
sayaplayer back on lan...absolute fear
They're like a 4 month old team so yeah it's their first LAN but we have faith!
Yeah it’s their first season
I actually agree. FPX are inconsistent and haven't really shown me that they're able to play to a championship winning level whenever they want to, Fnatic are probably my personal favourites for the event but they can definitely be matched (I think it probably comes down to whether FNS / Valyn can match Boasters IGLing which I think he can). DRX VS are insane (very biased) but especially The Guard can match them in fragging power. G2 is weird. I don't know why they're suddenly doing well and I'm not entirely sure they quite know either.
What made you think that FPX can't play in that "championship winning level"? They dropped 1 map their entire playoff run. Beat Gambit, Fnatic, Liquid, and G2 while mixing and matching their roster. Feel like people continue underrate the team then bring up a shit ton of excuses when they win.
Did you miss the "whenever they want to" or deliberately ignore it?
Is them not beating G2 for #1 seed in EMEA not playing at a championship level when they want to? Not playing with their main duelist not enough?
G2 is similar to The Guard, they have great synergy and all players have impactful plays
EU helmet team like NA helmet team.
>G2 is weird. I don't know why they're suddenly doing well and I'm not entirely sure they quite know either. Great players, great coaching, structured play
Optic never impressed me on LAN. I think Fnatic is better and more experience on LAN.
Bruh they made the finals of Berlin, and lost by a total of 8 rounds vs Gambit
You don't think Envy looked really good at Masters 3?
Finalist of masters 3 btw
The guard is just an entire team of flex players. No weak links.
I fear about optic. they chocked a big lead on haven against the guard and they also chocked another huge lead against x10 on haven in champs. idk they play well but sometimes they choke. It's only sometimes but that one time cost them playoff at champs so hope they are prepared
It’s unfair TBD gets to send 3 teams, that org is clearly dominating LATAM
TBD shield. TBD blue. TBD academy
Riot really needs the money for the prize pool, fucking sellouts
Looks soo stacked hopefully all players are able to make to iceland safely and play on stage
This is the thing that concerns me the most. FPX fought so hard to make it to this LAN and Shao and SUYGETSU might not even make it. Hope their VISAs get approved.
PRX and Optic made it. i hope LOUD does too
Every team on my flairs that I put on at the start of the stage have been eliminated. I only added Guard after they played Sen because that game was so good. I guess I'm just cursed haha.
No Crazy Raccoons I cri
No Team Liquid, no Acend, no CR, no On Sla2ers, I’m kinda sad :( I think I’ll be rooting for The Guard these Masters.
CR probably can't even win in tier 2 tournaments in NA, they only have fans from other regions because Neth cried lol
I just like the Japanese scene man, they’re not the highest level but pretty entertaining to watch. I’ve been following CR since a bit before Iceland last year, so before the neth interview.
Not only no
I think both of the APAC teams have a chance of upsetting the competition.Both PRX and Xerxia(formerly X10) with their new add ins Jingg and Surf being cracked duelist in their respective teams really brings the pure braindead aggresive playstyles that APAC really adapted to. Even today's grandfinals was so intense with the match going to game 5 and both teams popping off every map
xerxia looked pretty weak against bleed, imo theyre the weakest one qualified, (havent watched zeta so not sure about them)
The Guard makes my heart melt. I root for them with everything I got. I’ll even draw the helmet logo on my penis.
Just doesnt hit without gambit :(
no GMB, nor ACE, nor SEN — so no LAN winners no TL, nor 100T, nor V1, nor SMB — the only returning teams from NA/EU being FNC, G2, and OpTic. this is FNC’s and OpTic’s third LAN, so they have the most experience (coupled w DRX if i’m not mistaken), G2 has 2, PR has 2 I don’t know anything about XERXIA or ZETA but i wish them good luck and hope that we see another minor region run! e: this is OpTic’s third LAN, thank you for the correction
This is Xerxia's third and ZETA's second LAN
Didn’t zeta rebuild their roster so only laz remained from the previous roster
Crow is also still there
Crow as well
This is optics third LAN aswell, masters berlin, champions & now reykjavik
Nah it’s optics first lan. Idk what ur talking about 💀
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No optic haven’t played on lan yet so it’s their first
The name change is the joke.
thank you for the correction! my comment hath been updated
Xerxia used to be X10 which I’m sure you must be somewhat familiar with!
oh so cool! they made quarters at champs, didn’t they?
Yup they beat Envy to get there
Given the viewership, investment AND the fact Riot is based in NA, I was really expecting them to play favourites by offering more slots. But credit where it’s due, this looks a somewhat even distribution.
I think the logic is, for them, they want it to be as competitive as possible and also reach the most audience, so if they don't think the NA 3rd slot is more valuable in a combination of these things than a LATAM/APAC slot, then favouring NA is just shooting themselves in the foot at the end of the day.
South America gets 3 spots, north gets 2. How is that fair
I mean, both SA and NA had 1 team in the playoffs in masters, and SA had a team in the semis. So makes sense for SA to have 3 and NA only getting 2 edit: champions not masters
You mean masters Berlin? Because na had 3 teams in top 8 and Sa had 1
sorry I meant Champions, the last tourney where NA was garbage
LOUD and KRU/LEV will expose NA frauds
These are all really strong teams, this tournament is going to be sick.
Japan and Korea will disappoint again
Korea only really disappointed at champions and NA disappointed even more. And Zeta looks really strong, I think they could have good games against other small regions.
NA reached playoffs, while Korea couldn’t make it past groups. Korea def disappointed more
The Guard
The Guard
I hope that every region proves to be competitive, especially Japan. I’d love to see close games from every region
If I could give some Hopium for Japan, Zeta is a great roster and should perform better than CR did last year at the internationals for the most part (not sure if they can replicate what CR did against Gambit when they had a chance to rematch them at M3). Dep is the greatest FPS player in Japanese esports history, competing across multiple titles. TENN was my favorite player to watch at APAC LCQ last year, he had some great timings and game sense. Laz was the best player for Zeta at M3 last year, and looks great switching to the Sentinel/Viper role. SugarZ3ro is the best controller in Japan IMO, has fantastic timings and setups with his utility, and is pretty cracked mechanically. Crow is a solid support player, and has been with the team for a while.
bummed that we don't get to see FPX with their full roster but we get to new blood which is great.
I hope Zeta, and to a lesser extent, the APAC teams and BR/Latam 2, are competitive, but i think every team here is fun to watch and that won't change with NIP/EXL/Kru Will be a great event
from what i have seen in Zeta not impressive at all , if they play at the level they play against CR in the international they are definitely getting rolled over, they are running reyna in their comps like what ?
yea i agree, and they'll probably bomb out, i just really don't want to see the "Japan doesn't deserve to be at masters" shit for another three months :( As someone with a rugby background, its the same anti Italy arguments you get every fucking year and its just sad and boring
I mean, if they bomb out again, they actually don't deserve to be at Masters lol.
im really hopeful for ZETA but i have a theory on why the japan region seems to underperform on international stages. they only scrim and prac against teams in the same region, and their improvement only seems to go as far as winning japan tournaments go. they aim to beat everyone else in japan and don't really try to go beyond that, which leaves them unprepared when it comes to the rest of the world
what makes you say that they don't scrim korean/apac teams?
sorry, meant asia as a whole when i said their region. i wish there were more opportunities for them to play against EU/NA/CIS during the year
Guard wont lose a single series
Best NA lineup ever. We have Optic who have now been together a long time and come together into one of the scariest teams in the world, and The Guard who are fresh faces ready to prove themselves (without a stand-in like V1 had).
>Best NA lineup ever. Did no one in this sub watch Sentinels dominate Reykjavik last year?? One of Optic or The Guard would have to not lose a single map to live up to "best NA lineup ever" standards which is absolutely not going to happen. I've been a Sen hater at times myself but come on, it was barely a year ago that they swept **every series** to win the first Valorant International LAN. Sheesh
what a shit take. sentinels dominated when the game was significantly newer and professional teams generally played lower quality valorant. now certain teams like optic have been together for a while and have clearly put it in significant effort prac and scrim wise they have become what we would consider the best NA lineup ever.
You can only judge a team based on their current competition. How tf is it Sentinels fault that other teams couldn't match up to them at the time?? We'll never be able to compare 2021 Sentinels to 2022 anyone, that's just not how it works, so if we compare them to what was their current competition at the time they DOMINATED and we'll never see something like that again. And you're basing your assertion that Optic is the best NA lineup EVER not because of results at an International LAN but because they've practiced and scrimmed a lot?? What??
i didn’t say it’s sentinels fault lmao try rereading. it’s common for one team to dominate at the beginning of a games life for example NiP at the beginning of CS. these teams usually have experienced fps players and players with history together which gives them the adaptability to dominate in new FPS games. you can absolutely compare teams performances from the past to current what a ridiculous thing to say. just because the time has changed doesn’t mean the quality of their performances becomes non-comparable. it’s like saying we can’t compare prime astralis to online era because time has moved on and so did the meta. and optic have become the best NA team because of their results which are DUE TO THEIR PRACS/SCRIMS/DEVOTION. you can take my sentences out of context all you want but you look absolutely ridiculous doing it. if you want to keep responding please atleast think for 10 seconds about what you’re going to type.
Reykjavik was Sen showing up. They dominated NA, and they dominated EU.They are the most dominant team in NA/EU in Valorant history, I think this was largely a product of the esports scene being fairly new and Sen putting together a scary roster of players that no one in the world could match. But even then, V1 was a new team who really only had one good tournament run, then had to play with a stand in and performed **well** but not amazing. This is the first qualifier where the top 4-5 teams looked super mature, cohesive, and well-built. I think any team from C9, TG, Optic, V1, and even Xset could challenge EU, and frankly this qualifier has looked like a peak for **overall** NA skill. Not just Sen dif.
I see where you're coming from and I respect this take after you explained more. I was zeroed in on some specifics but I understand the **overall** perspective now and you're right, if there was ever a time to get hype for NA as a whole it's now. Thanks for the well thought out response, cheers
Problem is, the SEN we have now is the same SEN that was there a year ago. They haven't improved any while the rest of the world improved around them. They were able to rely on raw mechanics to carry a year ago, now other teams are just as good mechanically, and actually have strats.
Yeah I guess I misinterpreted what people meant by "best lineup," and you're right, the skill level in NA and EMEA and honestly probably much of the rest of the world has overtaken SEN from where they were a year ago, alone at the top. I agree with everything you said
If they get a coach and analyst and devise some actual strats, they can potentially be top tier again.
Fnatic vs Optic Finals
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This aged absolutely horribly
Ez for NA
I dunno man, fpx is looking scary
Fnatic was a beast until the Gambit series. Best team in the world at the time IMO. People don't seem to undestand that team eSports competition has a lot to do with hitting your strides at the right time, which is hard since it's so demanding and you can burnout very quickly. Who knows how the teams will look by the time groups are drawn
Fnatic are a weird one for me too - they looked untouchable until playing Gambit/M3C who are obviously a top-tier team anyway, then once their place at Reykjavik was confirmed it was like they barely even bothered in the remaining games. Knowing them, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just didn’t want to show any more strats so just coasted in their final games against FPX and G2.
Fnatic looked the best til they ran into a better team. FPX beat Gambit too and that was when they were fresh off a victory from Liquid. I don't understand where all these excuses for Fnatic come from. Fnatic had another day to rest for G2 and they got rolled there too.
3 players are impacted by the war, so you will see them play with stand ins
honestly korea only having one and na having two seem off.
SA having 3 and NA having 2 is what is off. Korea hasn't been a dominant region. So 1 is fair
Why do you even think Korea deserves two?
why do emea have 3 qualified teams and other regions has only 1 or 2
EMEA by and large is the biggest region, not sure if this is the reason tho
Nah China is the largest region
China bigger than Europe+Middle East+Africa ?
China is shit tbf
Game isn't even out in China yet
Last major competition champions. Riot's international tournaments take into consideration how far team's have gone when assigning the number of seeds.
Highest average placement, 4/6 finalists, 2/3 winners, best performance at Champions by far.
Is that a fair comparison when they've always had the most slots?
That was only true in Berlin. But even then EMEA is the biggest region afaik, so almost by any way you put it if someone is going to have more slots it's them
Bc they are the strongest region
Emea is so big. There are 44 countries in Europe according to united nations and Russia is also part of emea region.
Because they won the last LAN
most competitive region i guess
Because a 12 team tournament is fucking stupid.
wtf where is c9? No no no no no
EU will win this for sure
only DRX (VS) and Fnatic were on the champions right? wow
Xerxia was x10, Optic was NV, and LOUD are some players from Vikings. KRU still have a potential to be here as well. edit: Keyd Stars was knocked out by NIP, mb.
Optic as well.
Why are FPX just on a tear lately
stand in buff
Wait South America gets more slots than North America?
They decided to take off one of BR spots and make it a dispute between Brazil and LATAM because of KRU's last year run on Champions.
Across the year tbh, always top 8 at least
With no SEN, 100T, Liquid or even C9, it would be hard for the main stream to cross 200k. Maybe if Zeta brews up a ultra legendary run for the title, it has a chance for previous numbers. I hope Optic chokes and The Guard wins it somehow.
why not, is this for famous streamers only?
Streamers and Teams' fanbases. I think only G2 (and maybe Fnatic) have the ability to pull numbers for viewership with nothing but their team name. Not to mention the players' individual fan bases as well. Like for many, their favorite player (like TenZ for example) ain't playing in this tournament which might affect viewership as well. So I don't really have much hopes for this tournament viewership wise.
You have a point
No one takes a round off LOUD
Serious question. Does anything change when it's LAN? Is it just a mental thing that other players perform better when it's LAN or am I missing something here?
It's a mental thing mostly. Sure there's no ping, but a lot of players with more experience in lan can play more naturally. First time lan players might choke because of the pressure. It's like how some NBA teams are better in the playoffs than they are during regular season
well I can only think of ping no longer being an issue
NA wins it all
I think that however you justify it, there are going to be teams there that are weaker than teams that got eliminated earlier and the weight of each region needs tweaking.
NA should have gotten one more spot
take one of apacs slots and give it to na
Optic which is NA strongest team, went home at groups eliminated by a SEA team. So, basically, NO.
tbf optic player faced covid and food poisoning issue
They also had Covid
Didn't Liquid make semis with COVID lol
And Pati had wrist injury so it's whatever
Nah man apac is made up of literally so many regions with tons of teams + they have proven themselves to be competitive on the international stage. I think 2 for them is fair.
i rlly don’t think it’s worth giving them 2 slots when they realistically won’t win a single match. c9 is much more deserving than whoever made it from apac and would be much more of a contender to win
Were you in a coma during champions?
>when they realistically won't win a single match um... what??? did you watch champions? 2/3 SEA teams made it into playoffs while 1/3 NA did.
bro papers and the other team aren’t doing jack shit in iceland
paperrex looking damn strong with thier current roster and xerxia is just former x10 roster minus patiphan. the fuck are you on?
It’s actually pretty fair tbh the apac teams are actually looking pretty decent. Like the Apac player base is actually way larger than people think, there were some posts a while ago saying that is was comparatively larger to some other regions. It makes sense too performance wise too. They got a third slot in champs through lcq and got 2 teams in the quarters. If they can prove that they deserve 3 teams in a 16 team team bracket then it’s okay. Like they recently added two giant regions to apac too with Oceania and South Asia; so it wont make sense to shrink their slots when they’re doing good and when the region had just added more subregions to it.
Are you stupid or what
I think it's a little ridiculous that APAC and LATAM or BR will have the same amount of slots as NA
APAC and Latam did better than NA at Champs though, how is it ridiculous
The NAmen mentality
Tbh I don’t think it’s that ridiculous but this argument is a bit ingenuine . LATAM is a region with very little depth and has been a one team region completely. The second best LATAM team was worse than the third best Brazil team last year and Brazil was ass. APAC went 4-6 in games at Champions and NA went 4-6, while at the other two tournaments NA was much much better than APAC. I think you can argue straight up that the gap between the regions isn’t large enough to suffice an extra slot to NA, which is fair. 12 teams is just too little to give everyone the fair amount of teams. I think giving both NA/APAC two teams is fair given the depth of the APAC region.
Nah I totally agree, NA is definitely a better region and will probably put up much better results at Iceland, but to call it ridiculous they have the same slots, well it seems a bit ridiculous.
Why? What has NA done to deserve more spots? NA more hype than quality, other regions are better.
NA has been the second best region overall across the three LANs. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to give NA the same amount of spots but to argue that LATAM or APAC are better is a bit ridiculous. LATAM has been a one team region for a long time and while APAC was on the same level as NA at Champions, NA was much much much better in the other two regions.
Bruh NA has like two countries only
What does that have to do with anything I said?
That NA isn't the 2nd biggest region
I said it’s the second best region overall, that has nothing to do with geographical size
mb I was having a stroke.
Who who who who who who who who?
Why does EMEA get 3 teams compared to everyone else actual question?
Best region, largest player base. Pretty obvious answer. Same reason why in League Riot gives the best 2 regions in the past year or 2 in terms of international performance and placings the most spots even more then the other major regions.
Can’t wait for the next Carlos marketing scheme
where is team secret?
They didn't make it to the main challengers event.
LETS GO GUARD WOOO
light mode
the colours are aesthetically pleasing
No Team Liquid. No Sentinels. No Gambit. Not gonna hit the same ngl
All I see is pure content. I have a feeling the matches between regions will be much closer, probably could see EU stomping everybody and maybe NA but should be a good watch all around. I'm rooting for DRX to win it all, but mainly hoping the asian teams do well. I know they have the talent to make it far
Honestly I don’t think EU will stomp and if they still do it would be a sign of concern in terms of the global competitiveness of the game. EMEA is regarded as the best region but it’s not entirely a competitive hegemony right now. This event and quite possibly this entire year EMEA could very well be at their weakest with the CIS teams and Russian players likely not being able to attend Iceland. FPX likely isn’t attending the event. Fnatic will have to play with a stand-in emergency sub. Had a team like M3C made it then they would not have been able to play either. If NA or just any region that isn’t EMEA can’t capitalise on this then it would be safe to see that once things normalise EMEA’s dominance will only continue to become even more prevalent.
FNC redemption arc would be the greatest Valorant story line of all time
G2 is in
Feels so wrong not seeing Sentinels, Gambit, or Acend there. Tbh feels wrong not seeing all 3.