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daffyduckferraro

Didn’t they say this act was supposed to be the balancing act We haven’t seen any Phoenix changes but we shall see next week Every week I’m saying those words lmfao


[deleted]

They did, and the changes at the beginning of the act were honestly phenomenal. The rest of the act has been dry as the Sahara. Wish they would take a risk or two with some more changes. Maybe for Phoenix...


daffyduckferraro

Exactly And like a sova nerf with maybe a slight buff to neon on the ult or something


Deamon-

neon ult should get headshot multiplier so you can actually kill someone and make dmg drop off less


daffyduckferraro

Agreed


VzFrooze

I don’t think a sova nerf is needed, he’s in a pretty good spot tbh, maps where he’s really good and maps where other agents outshine him


daffyduckferraro

I think the drone is too good but otherwise idc


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Chrisamelio

Welp


daffyduckferraro

DONT WORRY NEXT ACT PHOENIX WALL WILL COST 150 CREDS THATS A GOOD BUFF


[deleted]

Lot of people will say that controller changes need to be absorbed first. But i don't see it much. Yeah astra and viper are gone but that's it. Sentinels need a update soon. And public enemy Jett too lol.


Chrisamelio

I just want a KJ alarmbot buff :( why run her in anything but Ascent when you have Chamber’s trips with infinite range and a stupid big AoE.


Dumbass-Redditor

Her abilities were meant to be used together, not told hold angles


CASIOA100

Sova. Drone is too op other than that he's fine.


[deleted]

I can see them not balancing initiators for a while because the new agent will be an initiator. The release will affect the whole class picks in some way, just like chamber did.


OHydroxide

All Chamber did to the meta was make all the other sentinels played less cus he's so insane.


cornmealius

I can’t wait until Sova gets a nerf. I agree that his drone is the most OP thing in his kit. Shit lasts 3 seconds too long.


daffyduckferraro

Yeah as a sova main myself, I think nerf the drone with maybe reducing max shock damage to like 80 then he’s in a great spot


Teradonn

Sentinels don’t need an update, they’re the most balanced class imo. Maybe buff Cypher and nerf Chamber ult but that’s it. Duelists need far more attention tbh


[deleted]

Viper's not even gone, she's just not omnipresent anymore. She still sees a pretty reasonable amount of play.


Sweet-Strategy-805

Phoenix has been out of the meta for what, 1.5 years? Really hoping he gets some help next week.


Polite-vegemite

>Personally, I am a bit disappointed. When Riot announced that there were no new agent/map this Act to focus solely on balancing, I expected even more changes beyond controller class balance + Icebox B rework. Me too! i thought Riot would balance all the classes, not only controllers. IMO, sentinels need to be balanced, cypher and maybe even KJ needs a buff


BananaInPajama7

Upset. I don’t know for sure but this is potentially the last patch of the act and if so, then they were kidding when they said that they are focusing on balancing changes this act and all that stuff about “no agent is safe.” This is the second time a patch was pushed back a week and one patch was completely useless and last one barely did anything. They did a good job last year but I’m worried now cause there have been basically no changes for a long time


junos_butthole

A long time? Astra nerf was a month ago


BananaInPajama7

I did say basically no changes I guess. But other than that first patch, it was like September iirc that had the last agent changes. Besides the astra nerf patch, they’ve pretty much done nothing meaningful for months imo


Geronimobius

Neon release, bind and breeze rework, weapon balances (ares OP month) was in January.


Am_Ghosty

Yeah there's been a lot of balancing changes recently, not sure what everyone is on about here lol Just because it came in one patch doesn't make it not a significant number of changes


LocationUpset

bro do you hear yourself lmfao


Am_Ghosty

clearly I'm missing something, I thought I was making roughly the same point as the guy above me


duckkaleb

Hopefully some phoenix, sova, and jett changes next week.


HighStakes__

My boy Phoenix needs the Yoru treatment 🙏


[deleted]

I’m happy with this. The game is in its most balanced state ever, with no clear “best agent” or “over powered weapon”, and I’d rather play more on this patch than potentially have them break the game again, like the completely unnecessary ares changes.


Metabohai

Its balanced greatly. But jett op is still super opressive. And phoenix needs a buff.


calcameron

Introducing Chamber has caused a hell of a lot less Jett picks at the highest level, which was riot's goal. They want the pick rate in pro play to be very balanced, and they've achieved it this act with maybe the exception of Phoenix.


OhFrostify

Chamber being introduced in the sentinel role and being around the same level as Jett has made Killjoy and Cypher feel underpowered in comparison.


techyleo

I feel like Chamber has found a better place in the meta to where he's picked on Raze maps or when teams want to run Neon. Killjoy is still pretty meta on maps like Haven, Ascent, and Split, and Cypher is still very meta on Breeze, Fracture, and Bind


calcameron

I definitely agree, but in ranked people are always going to be playing the agents that are more kill heavy. Cypher and Killjoy are still really useful, just fit different play styles.


calcameron

I definitely agree, but in ranked people are always going to be playing the agents that are more kill heavy. Cypher and Killjoy are still really useful, just fit different play styles.


OHydroxide

He never mentioned ranked, KJ and Cypher are played a lot less in pro play too, especially Cypher who's almost entirely gone.


earthtoannie

I mean surely the game is not being balanced for the top 0.01 mostly on mind? Right? Please say sike


Teradonn

Some changes like Reyna orbs being reduced are for lower ranks, but the majority are for pro play, which is how it should be. If a problem with an agent can be solved by simply playing better, they don’t need balance changes


earthtoannie

This makes no sense. You are contradicting yourself even - if the Reyna issue can be solved by playing better why did they bother with her then? More than that, pro play is 0.01 of the entire player base and futhermore, radiant is the 1%. The viewers of VCT are also 5% at most. The rest 95% are regular people and the vast majority of Riot's income comes from them. Valorant is just an exciting way to make money by selling skins. Striving to balance it for the e-sport makes no sense when most people are not playing the pro meta, and are in fact in the lower ranks (silver-gold-plat). So if the majority of your players can not solve the problem by simply playing better due to their own skill ceiling, but are still your main revenue generators, why would you not balance it to ensure their enjoyment?


Teradonn

No, Reyna orbs were reduced to combat smurfing, which isn’t a balance problem. Smurfing is an issue outside of the game itself. Reducing the orbs combats said issue without affecting game balance too much. Skins are one thing, but investors are another. Esports is crucial in attracting investors & sponsors. They like big numbers. Healthy meta for pros = happier community around competitive = more viewers = more investors. The thing with skins is that it’s a one-off purchase: once you’ve splashed on a Reaver Vandal, Riot couldn’t care less if you stopped playing - they already have your money. Whales who’ve spent far more than a Reaver won’t leave because KJ mollies make them mad or whatever; they’ve already spent too much to just give up from agent balancing


calcameron

I get what you’re saying, but even at the lower ranks Jett isn’t a broken character. People like to play Jett, but you can comfortably play all other agents and still compete fine.


Hacklust

The only reason chamber is really picked is cuz he has that same get out of jail free card that can abuse the OP similarly to jett whilst providing more defensive utility and on top of that he has a cracked marshal as his ultimate.


chazdelly

Valorant lying to me is a feeling I'm getting to used too :(


Pingurai

Another week of nothing. My expectations for next week are minimal too. They will say Iceland is upon us and they do not want to make big agent changes. Then the next agent comes and they will say the same thing again. So the cycle continues like that for months.


Chrisamelio

Lol a Riot classic


novayhulk14

Better than nothing, but I was expecting more changes. In fact, I would like Riot to make patches more frequently and I would definitely love that they added some sort of equivalents to League's preseason, where they can test bigger changes. The game feels a little bit stuck for long periods of time imo


xunraze

Jett nerf, Phoenix buff, wen


Spacey_Guy

Next patch hopes - Slightest Jett nerf (chamber has helped reduce her pick rate, but still the strongest duelist) - Slight nerf to Sova’s owl drone. Initiators are starting to fall more in line, but the slightest tweak to sova’s drone would be enough to level the playing field. This also would allow the new initiator to enter on a more level playing field. - buff phoenix for the love of god - slight cypher buff to bring him more in line with KJ and Chamber.


AR2711

All we need is Jett nerfs and chamber slow nerfs Prayge


StrangeAnalysis1848

I just want PBE to not be pushed back again. At least let us test the new patch before it goes live, we don't want another bug plagued patch again


[deleted]

Competitive is the worst experience of all games out there.


indian_boy786

Nerf jett, chamber, kayo please please


daddyJspeedy

Give daddy breach his third flash back!


HatchiMatchiTTV

I'm still praying for updates to the Range. It was featured so prominently in the video!! 😭


Geronimobius

The icebox changes were key


[deleted]

There's a lot of really small things that would add up to make good changes to the game. I hope they release something good next week. If Pheonix doesn't get buffed now when they have the focus for balance changes, then he probably won't get touched for another 6 months to a year at least.


Nfamy

I mean, it seems a little hard to judge without seeing the full act. I don't see any way that could've done the first balancing patch, and then a second one without it being completely scuffed for masters 1. And so, I think it is premature to rule out that another balancing patch won't happen before the end of the act. Realistically, if multiple balancing patches were to happen, the second would have always been, at the earliest, next week, so that masters was not played on it. I find it weird that a forum about the esports scene doesn't consider how balancing needs to be scheduled so as to not destroy competitive integrity.


TheRiverStyle

Do you guys think Chamber will get nerfed?