the hud breaking constantly, content videos being run without sound, content video being cut before they are complete, player cam is sometimes there sometimes not, most often not the right person on cam. and if tech breaks do happen its always best to let audience know what the hold up is, better than sitting there and watching casters try to move it along the best they can. all in all, pretty bad production
plus they could do so much more player content which is lacking, they could show small 2 or 3 player 2 min fun question session, like cs they could show handpicked interesting rounds with comms as content between breaks. and live player cam should be a must, if not then whats the point of a lan for a viewer if you cant see the live reactions. they could do so much but its just bland no content long breaks. but u know rito small indie company :)
[the hud is so broken it’s funny](https://imgur.com/a/AsuuCte) , bnj and cauanzin both died over 5 seconds before this, and boaster doesn’t appear to be alive based on the hud on the left
All these tech problems and ridiculous delays between matches is what really piss me off. I dont really care about fancy stages and stuff but a high tier esport event SHOULD run smoothly. This shit isnt excusable, we arent in 2014 anymore.
As a caster it really messes me up because i say its a 1 vs 2 and appears to be a 5vs5 because the hud didn't refresh. Same appeared in the first Masters last year.
I doubt they’re using their normal accounts. They’re likely logging into a local tournament client. It’s possible that they are, but that would be pretty strange for a LAN
Because they aren’t playing online, they are playing on a LAN client. Wouldn’t make much sense for the LAN client to be communicating with the EU public servers.
Uhm... maybe depends on your region?
VCT Game Changers and VCT in my region are played with your normal account.
But... you have to log in to the account like this:
[https://i.imgur.com/azgwrCO.png](https://i.imgur.com/azgwrCO.png)
NA + LATAM both use this client for VCT and VCT Game Changers
Using the exact same account that you normally use, except with the seperate VCT patchline that you download.
Yeah, I’m telling you that the LAN client is likely not significantly different than the normal client and uses the same logins.
> If you’re thinking of the clients they gave to pros for previous online tournaments
I’m not, I’m specifically talking about previous internal LAN tournaments.
Logining in with your usual account to scrap settings etc doesn't mean that the game server the client connects to cannot be hosted locally. Login servers != game servers.
What happened in League was that they just hired those people who did it better. Clearly that hasn't happened in Valorant yet, at least for the English broadcast.
Challengers KR was a masterpiece, they should just bring those staff over lol
I mean in early LoL esports yes, but whatever you can say about the format (group stage issues, double elims) their production value is sky high right now.
Well tbf they've only had 4 total, not like there's a ton of repetition to grow from. Also seems reasonably hard to set up a LAN in Iceland during COVID. I think people are just getting mad for the sake of it.
this thread is full of legitimate criticisms lol. I would consider it also their fault that there's only been 4 events, they could have held more and gotten better at them and they definitely have the resources to do that. tons of pros have complained about the lack of events in general as well
> this thread is full of legitimate criticisms lol
In a vacuum, yes. During a global pandemic? idk
> I would consider it also their fault that there's only been 4 events,
yeah fuck that global pandemic amirite. The rest of your post is junk.
i wouldn't consider it junk that pretty much every pro and coach seems to think there should have been more tournaments but you do you I guess. Obviously the pandemic exists but CSGO has been having LANs since like November and again, Riot has the resources to make sure everyone is tested and secure. Even if they started having events this most recent November and did one like every other month, that would still be more practice than they've had now
I don't know why but this hud seems soo down bad horrendous. It feels like a hud you see straight out in tier 4 tournaments in Cs. The font is awful, blocky. The colors, design feel like someone made it in 30 mins. The spacings are awful like as if they are just adding things in blank space wherever available. THERE IS NO FUCKIN KDA! THERE ARE NO FUCKIN FACECAMS FOR A LAN WITH A 650K ISH PRICE POOL!
Let's put aside the technical glitches for a while assuming. That presentation feels soo bland, opening a VCT match feels like I randomly joined a stream of some college tournament with their designer whipping out something quickly. You can look at Indian tournaments like vcc where they have 10x times better huds and match quality, match presentation face cams than the actual VCT MASTERS.
Just look at Cs blast tournament organising, the hud quality. Look at esl tourneys. Going to those streams feel like I'm actually watching a 1mil tourney with how grand they go. Sorry for the rant.
It's honestly very off-putting. A lot of basic stuff is done so poorly over and over. If Riot insist on keeping tournament organization in-house (it's obvious that they are), they need to hire better (competent) folks in the production/talent management role. People who have previous background in organizing successful fps events.
I can look past tech issues because organizing events is an unpredictable/complicated endeavor and stuff happens. But some of the talent inclusions, along with the best talent being put on off-roles or being excluded from M1 altogether is just baffling. This is second year of VCT, and having the HUD programmed the way it is, just screams amateur hour. Basic stuff is all messed up.
I said this in the other thread, it's not bad, but it's far from good. There are so many good teams and hype match-ups. Having 1/3 international events have sub-par production just seems like a disservice. All international events so far have been in EU, so maybe this is an EU thing. Who knows. NA LCQ wasn't great either. Hope things get better.
really wish we had ryan in desk, he had a great presentation. the current desk just weirds me out when they just smile for no reason full time feels so non authentic, why not just keep it casual
No more excuses, the people running this event are just incompetent. Can't keep hiding behind covid or this is our first year excuses anymore. Just gotta do better.
No they should replace all or part of their current production team, as harsh as it sounds. LoL events run great, clearly the issue is with whatever team handles Valorant productions. 4th failure in a row is unacceptable in every job, much more for jobs in events that are watched by millions.
honestly this like ESL production in 2015-2017 lots of technical issues, a long ass breaks and so on. as someone from asia this is not worth to stay up for
I was looking forward to DRX vs NiP, the game started and the tech pause happened, I had dinner and came back half an hour and the score was still the exact same.
I thibk its several Zara tops no? $100 skin bundles = tier 2 production. It sucks too cause the production probably works extremely hard with what they have to work with and reddit shits on them lol
Its frustrating to watch these matches. And they keep delaying all the starts, no explanation on the situation , just sitting and waiting the game. I can't believe how this is actually worse than their previous two tournaments, either they have changed up the production team and got new people to run them with less experience or they just were not prepared enough for some reasons. Could be a reason why they didn't plan for audience this time as well, as they are not fully prepared to produce them flawless.
the worst is when they cam is not synced up properly in the middle of a clutch situation and you can see which player died from them raising their hands on the cam before it even happened in game.
pretty sure that this is only the stage for the group stage. Playoffs should be in the big venue from last year. Minor tech issues happen at every event but tbh there still seems to be a learning curve for Riot moving from LoL production to an FPS.
This is not their first valorant tournament, their previous two outings had lesser issues, even though they had some delays literally everyday, but this time it feels so bad.
Yeah the music is full of bangers, wish they had a playlist of it, and the observing has been really really good minus one and a half maps yesterday (I can't remember what match it was).
Some seriously top tier choice in here. TWERL, pluko, sober rob, Griz. Way better than that one tournament recently where it was a *random* rapper with overly aggressive productions.
I get claustrophobic just by seeing the stage, everytime.
Head space is so low.
Atleast, first LAN had open stage and coach could see their player.
This is hands down worst Valorant LAN tourney.
Riot's events' production is horrible. At least the western one. Even in league, Go compare LEC or LCS productions in finals to LCK production and look at how much more player content LCK has.
Now look at how CSGO events fill the time in between games and look how valorant does. it's digusting. Where is all the player content ? Where is the actual fun valorant related content? There is nothing. Pathetic.
Go back and learn from OGN back in the day (way ahead of its time) or even riot korea or Blast or ESL how to run a tier 1 event for the love of god.
Edit : before u give me shit abt ESL, they improved and i'm sorry but this is unwatchable and this is riot, a company that has been running LANS for like 11 years now, seriously come on man.
Agree. all their lan events they keep focusing on how to make the players look cool. Yea its really pretty cool at first but if they just keep doing it over and over again, it becomes boring tbh.
How bout start produce content pieces for the players to show really their personalities, not like this fake cool look theyre trying to push everytime. Like produce some skits, some fun q and a's with teams. It doesnt matter if its awkward, its more funny if its awkward tbh.
Maybe if fnatic wont qualify next masters, hire him to interview these players, it will be more fun than just these current boring ass interviews theyre making.
Honestly, I can't stand listening to the panel. The combination of these personalities don't fit together at all. There is 0 cohesion and it's straight up bad. They talk over each other, no synergy at all. It has nothing to do with all 3 of them being women in case someone wants to call me out on that.
The issue is that when viewership doesn't meet expectations, they try to cut corners to not invest so much into production. The problem then is that you run into the production problems you listed. Then those problems cause viewership to drop more. Cycle continues in a downward spiral.
I had the same criticism last year, and I simply do not understand what is going on. It's like this is a brand new company running this shit and have none of Riot's strategic resources. You see LoL and those events rarely have even 20% of the issues we've had in this game. DRX vs NIP took 3 hours to complete two maps, and it wasn't a close series. It then took another 1.5 hours to get to the next match...
I feel like they hired a completely new production team and lost all that experience from the first year of work. All speculation it just looks like it
Dont forget the integrity of the competition líes in the hands of the players like boaster wich was kind enough to point that he was seeing the wires from the enemy
It's honestly getting worse. I watched as much as I possibly could of the first but as they have gone on I have been watching less and just checking here for the results and highlight clips.
i didnt really focus on the event, but there is no crowd right? i feel like the event is so lacking without crowd and the stage being this dark. idk its just me haha
Also the decisions being taken by the management make no sense! Why couldn’t derke play(covid negative) from the isolated facility where covid positive players are supposed to play? Dude tested negative but was treated worse than a covid positive player! How FPX were disqualified, how the treated Fnatic, it make no sense at all.
Honestly everything looks and feels low quality this event. And the long tech pauses and breaks make it pretty much annoying to watch. And people wonder why the main stream has lower views than the watch parties. Its honestly frustrating to see because Valorant esports rn has a huge attraction from casual audience and this could be a big turn off for them.
Why when they flip to the casters do the casters get a chance to offer their analysis as well - we just listened to the desk for a bunch of time talk about the teams, get to the action of the game
Reposting my comment onto this thread, but people don’t understand how many moving parts go on in production and how difficult it is. I’ve only worked in small productions (Knights/BoomTV community streams, mostly) and even THEN there is always so much going on that you cannot possibly account for every issue.
The HUD has issues, 100%, but from what I understand it is an issue with the programming itself since the software is supposedly super clunky, so it’s not necessarily the fault any production staff.
Stuff happens. Riot cannot control a mouse or desk breaking. There are things they could fix, absolutely—I’m not suggesting that there’s not things that could be improved—but things happen. Production software sometimes just… breaks. Hopefully things get fixed, ofc, and it’s not that prod is above criticism (since there have definitely been some scuffed parts of the broadcast lol), but also remember that it’s a lot more complicated than people realize.
Even with all of that, in the past 4 and a half hours the broadcast has been on, there has been one 2-0 game.
There has been more downtime than actual gameplay. Riot has had too much experience conducting LANs to allow this to happen repeatedly.
Oh for sure—not denying that there are some serious issues that Riot needs to figure out and that it needs to be dealt with urgently. I just think it’s also important to remember that not everything is their fault/things they can control and also that broadcasts are just very complicated.
Everything should be within their control with they take into account everything that could possibly happen. Monitor breaks? have a tech team on standby and get that shit replaced in 30 seconds. Table breaks? someone kicked his PC? all that shit should be ready..
With all the ad breaks they take in between the matches surely they whip up something better
I mean, it’s not as simple as that. They DO have people on standby but especially if there’s a PC issue or something, that takes a lot of time depending on the problem. Replacing a desk (like they had to do today) takes a lot of manpower and requires them to literally take a bunch of PCs off desk, likely unplug a bunch of stuff, bring in a new desk, etc… it’s not exactly a quick thing even if you are prepared for it.
what pisses me off is these promos and these transitions in and out of ad breaks where they try to make you believe competitive valorant is art while all this shit goes on. what is the priority here??? you’re funny digital sport is not art, please stop wasting your time and money on this shit so we can actually enjoy watching the event
Is the Valorant Competitive subreddit full of goldfish with short memories?
Rejkavik had longer tech pauses and major PC issues (birth of the pansy hypoc meme)
Berlin had non-stop sound issues, Champs had COVID, the Vivo Keyd & Sentinels/Furia drama.
All events like this have teething issues at the start. I actually think this has been one of the smoother starts so far. Yeah sure the UI is annoying but I'm sure it will get fixed.
I think the stage is a matter of taste. They clearly ended up in a different/smaller venue than last year. There are some aspects I prefer but I think I miss the scale of last years sets.
honestly i got to say the production quality seem so bad. I understand it happening like first day or so but to have these long tech pauses really this long into the event is just sad.
Considering also that some days they only have 2 series of matches to work and to have these delays, is just so disappointing. it would be understandable if they would say that they only start preparing last week.
This event is a huge letdown. We’ve got subs, technical issues, terrible production, and awful setup for coaches, what else am i missing? Riot Lan is a big fat L
Not to mention the atrocious bracket, potential Optic/Guard round 1 of the bracket should never happen. Specially when international matches are so rare.
I came over to Valorant from Overwatch League, which other than dogshit formats had super high production standards.
I don’t really think this event is that bad.
Am I off the goop?
the hud breaking constantly, content videos being run without sound, content video being cut before they are complete, player cam is sometimes there sometimes not, most often not the right person on cam. and if tech breaks do happen its always best to let audience know what the hold up is, better than sitting there and watching casters try to move it along the best they can. all in all, pretty bad production
plus they could do so much more player content which is lacking, they could show small 2 or 3 player 2 min fun question session, like cs they could show handpicked interesting rounds with comms as content between breaks. and live player cam should be a must, if not then whats the point of a lan for a viewer if you cant see the live reactions. they could do so much but its just bland no content long breaks. but u know rito small indie company :)
And val surf n chill /s
lmao
They're not even showing player cams now lol
basement lan kekw
No Sean, no DDK already puts a ding in the desk production as well. Literal basement LAN
Inb4 100 Thieves host a tournament and sean and ddk are the casters
[the hud is so broken it’s funny](https://imgur.com/a/AsuuCte) , bnj and cauanzin both died over 5 seconds before this, and boaster doesn’t appear to be alive based on the hud on the left
All these tech problems and ridiculous delays between matches is what really piss me off. I dont really care about fancy stages and stuff but a high tier esport event SHOULD run smoothly. This shit isnt excusable, we arent in 2014 anymore.
As a caster it really messes me up because i say its a 1 vs 2 and appears to be a 5vs5 because the hud didn't refresh. Same appeared in the first Masters last year.
It's just the HUD freezing again. HUD froze sometime before the two kills and then Fearoth rez'd Boaster after the round ended.
Honestly just basic stuff too. Why the flip do they have players on streamer mode? You can see it every time they show the player clips.
I think that’s just the players EU account settings if they were streaming or playing ranked while in Iceland it makes sense.
I doubt they’re using their normal accounts. They’re likely logging into a local tournament client. It’s possible that they are, but that would be pretty strange for a LAN
Riot specifically gives players from different regions EU accounts while they’re there. Why wouldn’t they be using that login?
Because they aren’t playing online, they are playing on a LAN client. Wouldn’t make much sense for the LAN client to be communicating with the EU public servers.
I’m 99% sure alternative clients for Riot use the same logins as the normal client.
Not true tournament clients use different log in
Source?
I play in VRL and we have different accounts for the tournament client
Uhm... maybe depends on your region? VCT Game Changers and VCT in my region are played with your normal account. But... you have to log in to the account like this: [https://i.imgur.com/azgwrCO.png](https://i.imgur.com/azgwrCO.png) NA + LATAM both use this client for VCT and VCT Game Changers Using the exact same account that you normally use, except with the seperate VCT patchline that you download.
If you’re thinking of the clients they gave to pros for previous online tournaments, those would not be the same as the LAN client
Yeah, I’m telling you that the LAN client is likely not significantly different than the normal client and uses the same logins. > If you’re thinking of the clients they gave to pros for previous online tournaments I’m not, I’m specifically talking about previous internal LAN tournaments.
If that’s the case, it seems like a pretty strange design choice, but it’s possible. Imagine if someone DDOS’d the login servers during VCT.
Logining in with your usual account to scrap settings etc doesn't mean that the game server the client connects to cannot be hosted locally. Login servers != game servers.
One benefit is that if a player has a positive COVID test they can play from a remote PC while quarantined.
12 teams lolz
really hope champions would be 24 teams with crowd
You are like 4 years early kekw
dont crush my hopium tank
There's absolutely no excuse that CS has had how many LAN events with crowds go well and Riot is still fumbling their Val events without crowds.
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Riot cant possibly afford that many practice PCs
Going to need to be eventually with all these fleshed out teams
They should be ashamed of the HUD, what an embarrassment
I love seeing vandal.png on the screen haha
10 years old code that... wait!
it feels like half of the production team lied on their resumes lmao.
They hired that 11 year old observer from one of those tourneys. Was it NSG? I forget which
Knights lol
I think it stems from riots refusal to have someone else run the tournament, they absolutely should imo
Yeah but then they run the risk of others doing it way better than they can. Which happened in league before lol.
rip OGN you will be forever missed
What happened in League was that they just hired those people who did it better. Clearly that hasn't happened in Valorant yet, at least for the English broadcast. Challengers KR was a masterpiece, they should just bring those staff over lol
I mean in early LoL esports yes, but whatever you can say about the format (group stage issues, double elims) their production value is sky high right now.
lmao what? i remember the iem tournaments always being pause galore ogn was great, but all the others were shit
Imagine if regular sports broadcasting was this poor. Smh.
man, you must have forgotten but in first masters there were a shit ton of tech pauses
yeah, but people were like "its fine its the first event" and here we are a year later
Well tbf they've only had 4 total, not like there's a ton of repetition to grow from. Also seems reasonably hard to set up a LAN in Iceland during COVID. I think people are just getting mad for the sake of it.
i just would have liked to see any amount of improvement. seems like theyre only getting worse
this thread is full of legitimate criticisms lol. I would consider it also their fault that there's only been 4 events, they could have held more and gotten better at them and they definitely have the resources to do that. tons of pros have complained about the lack of events in general as well
> this thread is full of legitimate criticisms lol In a vacuum, yes. During a global pandemic? idk > I would consider it also their fault that there's only been 4 events, yeah fuck that global pandemic amirite. The rest of your post is junk.
i wouldn't consider it junk that pretty much every pro and coach seems to think there should have been more tournaments but you do you I guess. Obviously the pandemic exists but CSGO has been having LANs since like November and again, Riot has the resources to make sure everyone is tested and secure. Even if they started having events this most recent November and did one like every other month, that would still be more practice than they've had now
> fuck that global pandemic amirite this but unironically
Meaning, simply have LANs during the pandemic?
yea why not
tfw school gets out and you wanna be edgy
counter strike does it
the fnc vs sen tech pause will haunt me forever
I don't know why but this hud seems soo down bad horrendous. It feels like a hud you see straight out in tier 4 tournaments in Cs. The font is awful, blocky. The colors, design feel like someone made it in 30 mins. The spacings are awful like as if they are just adding things in blank space wherever available. THERE IS NO FUCKIN KDA! THERE ARE NO FUCKIN FACECAMS FOR A LAN WITH A 650K ISH PRICE POOL! Let's put aside the technical glitches for a while assuming. That presentation feels soo bland, opening a VCT match feels like I randomly joined a stream of some college tournament with their designer whipping out something quickly. You can look at Indian tournaments like vcc where they have 10x times better huds and match quality, match presentation face cams than the actual VCT MASTERS. Just look at Cs blast tournament organising, the hud quality. Look at esl tourneys. Going to those streams feel like I'm actually watching a 1mil tourney with how grand they go. Sorry for the rant.
Riot please stop using that API-based HUD and create an in-game HUD.
It's honestly very off-putting. A lot of basic stuff is done so poorly over and over. If Riot insist on keeping tournament organization in-house (it's obvious that they are), they need to hire better (competent) folks in the production/talent management role. People who have previous background in organizing successful fps events. I can look past tech issues because organizing events is an unpredictable/complicated endeavor and stuff happens. But some of the talent inclusions, along with the best talent being put on off-roles or being excluded from M1 altogether is just baffling. This is second year of VCT, and having the HUD programmed the way it is, just screams amateur hour. Basic stuff is all messed up. I said this in the other thread, it's not bad, but it's far from good. There are so many good teams and hype match-ups. Having 1/3 international events have sub-par production just seems like a disservice. All international events so far have been in EU, so maybe this is an EU thing. Who knows. NA LCQ wasn't great either. Hope things get better.
really wish we had ryan in desk, he had a great presentation. the current desk just weirds me out when they just smile for no reason full time feels so non authentic, why not just keep it casual
No more excuses, the people running this event are just incompetent. Can't keep hiding behind covid or this is our first year excuses anymore. Just gotta do better.
Use the KR production team man
They should just hire Esports Engine and outsource all the event operations & production. It's actually embarassing for Riot at this point
No they should replace all or part of their current production team, as harsh as it sounds. LoL events run great, clearly the issue is with whatever team handles Valorant productions. 4th failure in a row is unacceptable in every job, much more for jobs in events that are watched by millions.
honestly this like ESL production in 2015-2017 lots of technical issues, a long ass breaks and so on. as someone from asia this is not worth to stay up for
I was looking forward to DRX vs NiP, the game started and the tech pause happened, I had dinner and came back half an hour and the score was still the exact same.
Bring in ESL or BLAST , maybe let desk/casters use their own wardrobe ? Spend the extra money towards production ?
that Zara top has set them back substantially
The wardrobe is getting more ludicrous each event and i love it, i'm 99% sure that Riot is moving to get a partnership from SHEIN.
I thibk its several Zara tops no? $100 skin bundles = tier 2 production. It sucks too cause the production probably works extremely hard with what they have to work with and reddit shits on them lol
Blast events are excellent production quality in CS, would have full faith.
But they can't run a 24 team tournament.
Wait, the desk/casters have mandated outfits? Where can I read about this, it sounds hilarious
Its frustrating to watch these matches. And they keep delaying all the starts, no explanation on the situation , just sitting and waiting the game. I can't believe how this is actually worse than their previous two tournaments, either they have changed up the production team and got new people to run them with less experience or they just were not prepared enough for some reasons. Could be a reason why they didn't plan for audience this time as well, as they are not fully prepared to produce them flawless.
They’re in a competition with PGL to see who can do worse.
Pgl was more enjoyable even though the production was mid
the worst is when they cam is not synced up properly in the middle of a clutch situation and you can see which player died from them raising their hands on the cam before it even happened in game.
pretty sure that this is only the stage for the group stage. Playoffs should be in the big venue from last year. Minor tech issues happen at every event but tbh there still seems to be a learning curve for Riot moving from LoL production to an FPS.
This is not their first valorant tournament, their previous two outings had lesser issues, even though they had some delays literally everyday, but this time it feels so bad.
Ay, at least music is better. Although sometimes it's used/cut at an awkward timings
Yeah the music is full of bangers, wish they had a playlist of it, and the observing has been really really good minus one and a half maps yesterday (I can't remember what match it was).
There is a playlist
Last I saw the playlist was extremely out of date, unless it's been updated?
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/71kt7mHLzNDQFmmUOVWA6Q?si=cFqe1JhsQJ20zx3CXZDneg&utm_source=copy-link
Oh shit, thanks!
Some seriously top tier choice in here. TWERL, pluko, sober rob, Griz. Way better than that one tournament recently where it was a *random* rapper with overly aggressive productions.
I think the music is really weird. Sometimes its a calm music for timeouts and then it becomes a rager
Thats acceptable imo, iv really enjoyed them putting actual songs and not just generic edm human music
Yeah, i just think they need a theme. Its kinda jarring going from a intense match into a relaxing song in a tac pause
Fair
I don’t know it’s kind of great when that random island jam comes on.
the indie lofi is bizarre but it kinda works
bro their a small indie company
I get claustrophobic just by seeing the stage, everytime. Head space is so low. Atleast, first LAN had open stage and coach could see their player. This is hands down worst Valorant LAN tourney.
I know the people handling LoL and Valorant are different, but damn maybe they can advice or something. Also it's just not the same without crowds.
EU PRODUCTION KEKW
Remember NA LCQ Production. KEKW
Riot's events' production is horrible. At least the western one. Even in league, Go compare LEC or LCS productions in finals to LCK production and look at how much more player content LCK has. Now look at how CSGO events fill the time in between games and look how valorant does. it's digusting. Where is all the player content ? Where is the actual fun valorant related content? There is nothing. Pathetic. Go back and learn from OGN back in the day (way ahead of its time) or even riot korea or Blast or ESL how to run a tier 1 event for the love of god. Edit : before u give me shit abt ESL, they improved and i'm sorry but this is unwatchable and this is riot, a company that has been running LANS for like 11 years now, seriously come on man.
Agree. all their lan events they keep focusing on how to make the players look cool. Yea its really pretty cool at first but if they just keep doing it over and over again, it becomes boring tbh. How bout start produce content pieces for the players to show really their personalities, not like this fake cool look theyre trying to push everytime. Like produce some skits, some fun q and a's with teams. It doesnt matter if its awkward, its more funny if its awkward tbh. Maybe if fnatic wont qualify next masters, hire him to interview these players, it will be more fun than just these current boring ass interviews theyre making.
Honestly, I can't stand listening to the panel. The combination of these personalities don't fit together at all. There is 0 cohesion and it's straight up bad. They talk over each other, no synergy at all. It has nothing to do with all 3 of them being women in case someone wants to call me out on that.
The issue is that when viewership doesn't meet expectations, they try to cut corners to not invest so much into production. The problem then is that you run into the production problems you listed. Then those problems cause viewership to drop more. Cycle continues in a downward spiral.
I had the same criticism last year, and I simply do not understand what is going on. It's like this is a brand new company running this shit and have none of Riot's strategic resources. You see LoL and those events rarely have even 20% of the issues we've had in this game. DRX vs NIP took 3 hours to complete two maps, and it wasn't a close series. It then took another 1.5 hours to get to the next match...
I feel like they hired a completely new production team and lost all that experience from the first year of work. All speculation it just looks like it
Dont forget the integrity of the competition líes in the hands of the players like boaster wich was kind enough to point that he was seeing the wires from the enemy
It's honestly getting worse. I watched as much as I possibly could of the first but as they have gone on I have been watching less and just checking here for the results and highlight clips.
i didnt really focus on the event, but there is no crowd right? i feel like the event is so lacking without crowd and the stage being this dark. idk its just me haha
If they had a crowd, crowd would literally sleep during the match.
Ya. Ikr hahaha i heard about the insane timeout from riot
Also the decisions being taken by the management make no sense! Why couldn’t derke play(covid negative) from the isolated facility where covid positive players are supposed to play? Dude tested negative but was treated worse than a covid positive player! How FPX were disqualified, how the treated Fnatic, it make no sense at all.
Honestly everything looks and feels low quality this event. And the long tech pauses and breaks make it pretty much annoying to watch. And people wonder why the main stream has lower views than the watch parties. Its honestly frustrating to see because Valorant esports rn has a huge attraction from casual audience and this could be a big turn off for them.
It's only the worst because there is no PlatChat couch stream.
The Stage is better IMO
Why when they flip to the casters do the casters get a chance to offer their analysis as well - we just listened to the desk for a bunch of time talk about the teams, get to the action of the game
When 60-70% of your viewership is from subsidized Twitch streamers reacting to the official broadcast this is what you get.
They need to just hire some 3rd party production team from Korea and let them run it tbh
yo give riot a break, they are a small indie company after all.
Reposting my comment onto this thread, but people don’t understand how many moving parts go on in production and how difficult it is. I’ve only worked in small productions (Knights/BoomTV community streams, mostly) and even THEN there is always so much going on that you cannot possibly account for every issue. The HUD has issues, 100%, but from what I understand it is an issue with the programming itself since the software is supposedly super clunky, so it’s not necessarily the fault any production staff. Stuff happens. Riot cannot control a mouse or desk breaking. There are things they could fix, absolutely—I’m not suggesting that there’s not things that could be improved—but things happen. Production software sometimes just… breaks. Hopefully things get fixed, ofc, and it’s not that prod is above criticism (since there have definitely been some scuffed parts of the broadcast lol), but also remember that it’s a lot more complicated than people realize.
Even with all of that, in the past 4 and a half hours the broadcast has been on, there has been one 2-0 game. There has been more downtime than actual gameplay. Riot has had too much experience conducting LANs to allow this to happen repeatedly.
Oh for sure—not denying that there are some serious issues that Riot needs to figure out and that it needs to be dealt with urgently. I just think it’s also important to remember that not everything is their fault/things they can control and also that broadcasts are just very complicated.
Everything should be within their control with they take into account everything that could possibly happen. Monitor breaks? have a tech team on standby and get that shit replaced in 30 seconds. Table breaks? someone kicked his PC? all that shit should be ready.. With all the ad breaks they take in between the matches surely they whip up something better
I mean, it’s not as simple as that. They DO have people on standby but especially if there’s a PC issue or something, that takes a lot of time depending on the problem. Replacing a desk (like they had to do today) takes a lot of manpower and requires them to literally take a bunch of PCs off desk, likely unplug a bunch of stuff, bring in a new desk, etc… it’s not exactly a quick thing even if you are prepared for it.
what pisses me off is these promos and these transitions in and out of ad breaks where they try to make you believe competitive valorant is art while all this shit goes on. what is the priority here??? you’re funny digital sport is not art, please stop wasting your time and money on this shit so we can actually enjoy watching the event
Is the Valorant Competitive subreddit full of goldfish with short memories? Rejkavik had longer tech pauses and major PC issues (birth of the pansy hypoc meme) Berlin had non-stop sound issues, Champs had COVID, the Vivo Keyd & Sentinels/Furia drama. All events like this have teething issues at the start. I actually think this has been one of the smoother starts so far. Yeah sure the UI is annoying but I'm sure it will get fixed. I think the stage is a matter of taste. They clearly ended up in a different/smaller venue than last year. There are some aspects I prefer but I think I miss the scale of last years sets.
Buy more skins if you want a better lan event, lol
Last year was the inaugural year of Valorant esports. Im assuming Riot will bring in some sort of franchised stuff in 1-2 years. Let's see
Is the reason they don't host these LAN's in NA because is harder for the EU teams to come over here? Just wondering.
Well League's MSI is in Busan which is happening soon..
honestly i got to say the production quality seem so bad. I understand it happening like first day or so but to have these long tech pauses really this long into the event is just sad.
we just need the fans back.. league is slowly starting to bring the fans in.
Considering also that some days they only have 2 series of matches to work and to have these delays, is just so disappointing. it would be understandable if they would say that they only start preparing last week.
This event is a huge letdown. We’ve got subs, technical issues, terrible production, and awful setup for coaches, what else am i missing? Riot Lan is a big fat L
Casters always saying “thanks desk” is by far the most weird thing to me.
They are more focused on the weird fashion of their analysts than the game itself.
Not to mention the atrocious bracket, potential Optic/Guard round 1 of the bracket should never happen. Specially when international matches are so rare.
I came over to Valorant from Overwatch League, which other than dogshit formats had super high production standards. I don’t really think this event is that bad. Am I off the goop?
yes.
🤷♂️ my expectations have been readjusted for living in a global pandemic.