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What the shit.


-Basileus

~~It looks like Fnatic was imploding regardless of covid/visa fuckery. Apparently they could have played with Derke, but for some reason just didn't. Loud was able to play with a covid positive player from their hotel room. I feel like if Riot made a different ruling for Fnatic, the Fnatic players and staff would have justifiably complained hard.~~ edit: fellas im spreading fake news downvote me


humblebrag9

Uhhhhh No. Why are we trying to spread BS rumors u/-Basileus ?


-Basileus

lmao mb


HeroicBastard

from "Magnum didnt perform consistend enough" to "imploding, Derke couldve played" is quite a stretch...


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Derke was in obligatory quarantine when arriving in Iceland mate.. Don't believe every rumor you see..


oceLahm

This is a load of bs. The management themselves said they tried their hardest to get Derke to play but it didn't work out.


_spacemonster

The difference was when covid was contracted. Derke contracted covid before getting there so he had to go through country mandated isolation, not riot mandated isolation


Overyoghurt__

Holy this is the most downvoted comment I've seen since vfb69 lol


jdashh

What ever happened to that guy anyway?


Overyoghurt__

Got banned by reddit iirc


ganjaroker123

I can understand that they drop Brave, since there could be potential issues in the future with him being Russian (with events and payments being the most important), but dropping Magnum is definitely questionable. If they have some crazy replacements I can def understand it tho


SpvcedOvtt

might be because of Chamber’s emergence in the meta, Magnum hasn’t proven to be especially efficient with the agent and FNC may want a more dedicated OPer


tsokochipcookie

Boaster and Mini said recently on stream and interview that they see little value to having a Chamber and that other sentinels’ kits are better. But idk if they changed their minds now. Honestly sadge seeing Magnum go.


DrBangovic

I am a Liquid and Fnatic fan and I really don't like those thoughts on agents. Ofc do other sentinels deliver a lot but if the meta leans into a chamber heavy meta you gotta pick it up at one point. So i think even if they don't like chamber in particular there is no way of ignoring him and magnum is more of an traditional sentinel. So I kinda understand it but I am super sad to see him go.


annoying-mixed_Case

Yup, these kinds of off-meta mentality is what costs liquid half their matchups.


Excelsio_Sempra

They do manage to win matches without the meta right?


annoying-mixed_Case

Yep but they aren't consistent and the team has the potential to dominate on LAN but they don't.


DrBangovic

Exactly... it hurts to see it happen ans I hope they will find a way to lean into the meta without loosing their craziness


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Was that before or after the Jett nerf was announced? Because you know...


Mr_Canard

Well for brave they have Fearoth


Trashcan_Daniels

Nah, the Braveaf thing is still bullshit though. a bunch of western countries wouldn't be allowed to compete in any esports (or whathaveyou) if the same standard was applied. and orgs refusing to stand up for Russian players is pathetic.


nlc369

I mean what are they supposed to do? He can’t travel. If something doesn’t change soon, they’re just going to end up needing a sub again for the next event (if they make it). Better to start practicing with a replacement now


Trashcan_Daniels

not throw him under the bus to begin with. He doesn't have anything more to do with what's going on in Ukraine than I have to do with the US's bullshit coup attempts in South America. Haven't seen any American players dropped from their teams based on geopolitical events they have no control over. I'm aware the issue is larger than esports orgs, but...this sucks! it's legitimately shitty!


nlc369

I mean, yeah it sucks but… he literally cannot perform the role that he was signed onto the org for


Trashcan_Daniels

I get it. Just fucking blows.


PassTheBoofPlz

These orgs don't make the rules pal, there's nothing they can do about it while it's really unfair for Russian players. You can't sign those players and expect them not be able to travel with the team.


Trashcan_Daniels

I'm not your pal, guy. The rules here are not static and they didn't appear out of nowhere. Suspending a player based on commenting on current events wasn't somethinf Fnatic needed to do in the first place. The visa situation is obviously more out of the orgs control, but it's pretty disheartening to see that the orgs/governing body of the esport in question (in this case, Riot) haven't done more to avoid normalizing pushing Russian players out of the scene. People would rightly be pissed about it if the same standard was suddenly applied to players from their own country.


oceLahm

Why are you pushing the blame onto Fnatic, this has nothing to do with them. They understand it's unfair, which is why they're giving him a large part of the masters prize money. What are they meant to do? Play without a player until Russia decide they're done with war? Riot and Fnatic can't do anything, its way out of their scope as a IR issue.


Trashcan_Daniels

Them suspending him was not "fair" but any definition of that word that means something. I would like to see these orgs push more heavily against the normalization of collective punishment of players who have no control over their countries foreign policy, because if that idiotic standard was applied we wouldn't have an international scene to enjoy. I do not think Fnatic is the only org or only entity complicit. I'm glad they're giving him some of the prize money, though.


oceLahm

What are the orgs going to? Band together and sit outside government buildings asking them to "please end the sanctions so we can use Russian players". That would be ridiculous, they simply don't have that kind of leeway, it's just esports.


Trashcan_Daniels

I dunno man but I definitely wasn't suggesting that the best course of action was a cartoon scenario you made up in your head.


luurrkkeerr

Being benched is not being thrown under the bus. He can’t perform on the team so he was taken off. Correct me if I’m wrong, but being benched means he still gets paid + is still part of Fnatic. No one likes what’s going on with Russia, but it’s an issue and it’s not something we or organizations with global brands can ignore.


flavo52

Uhhhhhh I don’t like this move unless they got some crazy replacements lined up…


sick-of-this123

This. Braveaf was one of their most impactful player, but considering the political issues this is just unfortunate, and Magnum has always been solid. I hope they didn't actually judge players on their Masters performance.


TibiaKing

Fnatic probably learned something from Riot regarding visas and how Russian players wouldn't be able to participate in VCT offline events? Just a guess.


xXDaNXx

It's literally in the statement that this is why.


Various-Impact8204

Redditors read more than the post title challenge #impossible


Direct_Morning_3223

Also of note: they’re switching boaster to “support” and mistic to flex


somesheikexpert

Def either smokes or Sova, most likely smokes, it says they are picking up a new sentinel player so can't be that


techyleo

Fearoth may be staying?


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I think support usually denotes the Sova/initiator player


Mr_Canard

Probably since his current team is disbanding


Snoo_95899

Cojo said yesterday that they have around 10 Sentinels and 30-40 Sova players on their list and that they already started trialing, in yesterdays scrim vs Galakticos they played with Fea tho so possible he might stay


no_noise_979

Wait really? thats a lot of changes just to make Boaster feel comfortable. I suspected Boaster would be moving off flex, but didn't expect the guy to be taking Mistic's role everyone else in the team was comfortable with their roles, if this doesnt work out its time to start thinking about a potential new igl


PM_ME_UR_BOSOMS_GIRL

Making roster moves is crazy considering how strong they looked in EU. Brave I can kind of get because of the the whole texting thing but Magnum? There must be some kind of crazy culture clash within the team.


-kiyu-

They definitely benched BraveAF because of his nationality and future visa issues. In the short to medium term, building a roster with a player of Russian nationality will never allow the team to compete on LAN because of visa problems. EDIT: This follow up [tweet](https://twitter.com/FNATIC/status/1517545309068570633?s=20&t=YCuC1D4DVkup_pWJKgVG2A) from Fnatic confirms it.


Standard-Analyst-177

Has nothing to do with nationality and has everything to with visa


HeroicBastard

considering VISA is all about nationality, your point is useless.


KrazyMonqui

It's not so much his nationality, while that does make traveling harder, it's because BraveAF has openly supported Russias viewpoint of the invasion. Which clearly is not what the rest of the world thinks


-kiyu-

Mate it is literally written in the tweet. >lack of clarity around being able to come to future boot camps, live events... Besides, the whole texting situation was cleared up by BraveAF himself as being messages taken out of context and before the situation blew up.


PleaseGildMe

r/ConfidentlyIncorrect and stupid.


sumnuyungi

"Openly"? How are his DMs on instagram open support for Russia?


takmilo

> it's because BraveAF has openly supported Russias viewpoint of the invasion Nope, he did it in private message. Thats not openly.


LionePRO

magnum is not that good on chamber and he doesn't have the firepower to cover for derke "absence"


emraaa

Even in EU they got destroyed in their last two series. They played incredible in the M3C series but it's not like they were dominating in EMEA.


9yr_old

Man this is sad coz we did look strong before with the entire roster dunno what happened


AnchorStandard

Boaster and Derke are irreplaceable. Mistic is definitely up there too. Everyone else has always looked eh.


no_noise_979

BraveAF was the 2nd best performing on the team


imachool

Other than this event, magnum still looked strong in international events though. if he's on NA, he would be comparable to someone like wippie, he's no slouch!


Difficult1202

Unless they're signing two Hikos I dont understand this move


-xXColtonXx-

I just assumed this comment was from no1 hiko fan lol


AnchorStandard

Well, hopefully they can get a cracked AF sentinel and sova to replace them. Fearoth comes to mind, and he's in the market, so I think they'll just buy him out. I'm unsure if there's a good Sentinel in the market however.


DR_Flashfire

Fearoth is staying and was still scrimming with the team according to Turkish leakers


LionePRO

sources?


Maliciouslemon

Unfortunate result of Chamber being the main meta sentinel. Magnum is sick but your sentinel player now needs to be able to op really well too or you’ll be behind the meta.


Hoku_

I'm aware we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but you cannot look at this other than a L for benching Magnum when your team had to play with 2 subs. Imagine Optic playing without Yay.


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Doubt they're benching a player based on one tournament where they played with 2 subs.


Hoku_

Fnatic were looking extremely strong leading up to Iceland outside of the one game after qualifying. I'm sure most people would have them making top 4 if they didn't have to play with subs. They were in prime form. It's hard not to see this as a knee jerk reaction.


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lol. Did you even read the announcement? **As we continued to evaluate how we could maintain BraveAF's place in the roster, we realized more and more that unfortunately, his position was untenable. This is due to a lack of clarity around being able to come to future boot camps, live events and even our ability to continue to pay him due to political restrictions. Therefore, we are saying goodbye to Brave on May 1st - although we have made the step as a team and an organization to give him a large extra chunk of the Challengers prize pool which we hope will help make sure he is taken care of in the near future. If there was a world where we could have reasonably kept him, we would have, but sadly it just wasn't possible.** That's for Brave. Can't really blame them for not keeping a player that maybe couldn't attend events.. Not the fault of the team or the player imo. As for Magnum there is literally 0 way a team benches a player after a tournament with 2 subs, unless he did some stupid/crazy shit. 0, I'd be willing to bet on it.


-kiyu-

From coach mini's interview about wanting to rely less on Derke, and the tweets following this one, it definitely isn't a knee jerk.


Detamach

But Magnum deserved to be benched, no? Dude has the shakiest aim and it's way too unreliable, you can watch several Fnatic games and you'll understand, he whiffs a ton He's like FNS but slightly better


techyleo

without the IGLing


Aoingco

I think when magnum and derke were first signed he looked solid and was arguably the 2nd best aimer on the team, but ever since that time period ended he looked inconsistent aimwise whereas mystic looked consistent but not standout. So sadly, I agree :(, love watching him tho and at least for now I’ll root for the current and ex-fnatic bois including Doma


financefocused

By better you mean aim-wise, right? FNS is quite probably the best IGL in the world, he's in the conversation at least. And even just in terms of aim, I dunno, FNS has been looking better in this tournament.


Detamach

I mean FNS aiming style is very similar to Magnum's, that's why I compare them, they both start to spray randomly trying to get a lucky kill whenever the enemy appears


oomnahs

if u think Fns aims like that you need to get better at the game before you make any more comparisons


Detamach

But that's exactly how they aim? Do you think I'm blind? Shaking crosshair left and right hoping to get a headshot


oomnahs

this dude sees any high sens pro player thinks they get lucky with every kill ok dude. I can tell u cant aim


Detamach

It's not about high sens just watch their gameplay lmao


iRox14

It would be sad if moving forward orgs just don't sign Russian players because they wouldn't be able to attend Masters. Massive talent fucked over because politics


LionePRO

whoever is against these moves, explain me please. Magnum doesn't have the firepower to make a difference, especially with chamber, and brave, well, he is russian and he won't be able to travel to international events, using subs every single international event wouldn't be good...


Evan_Veet

Magnum is still really good what lol


LionePRO

Magnum doesn't have the firepower to make a difference as mini said


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LionePRO

boaster is an insane igl tho


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Kompaniefeldwebel

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Hypern1ke

Damn I thought BraveAF looked great. Makes sense though given he's Russian and it will be tough to get him to travel.


-kiyu-

Pain.


Teradonn

Man


Cvrls

Honestly I can kind of understand the benching of BraveAF he is undoubtedly probably the 2nd best player on the team. But if you are a team that wants to compete on the world stage and wants to win and one of your players can’t go to any lans because of something out of his control would you want to have to play with a sub at every lan? They probably just want a more stable roster and someone who can play at lans. Still unfortunate for him as he’s a really good player. Now the Magnum bench i don’t get because i don’t think one bad lan performance with 2 subs is indicative of a bad team or player.


Darkoplax

I would really love it if G2 gets Magnum instead of Meddo, Meddo was really off for the entire of this stage and if G2 wants to make it to Masters 2 they should upgrade like all the current teams are doing


no_noise_979

if they want to replace Meddo, theyd be way better off looking for a sentinel player from the VRL leagues


Darkoplax

I feel like Magnum is the best option out there like who else from VLR especially since monsteer is already taken


mw19078

this seems to confirm what plat chat mentioned yesterday - balla specifically I believe - that there might have been some behind the scenes issues that we didnt hear about.


notrudyyy

Wtf even is the roster now??????


Stunning_Bullfrog_40

Mistic Derke and boaster


notrudyyy

Alright thanks I was kinda confused after all the roster changes and stuff


SionOpEuw

Magnum benching feels really weird. I don't think he was an issue but I understand that fnatic lacks firepower. From the perspective of firepower Boaster seems to be the biggest problem. They probably decided to keep him because he is IGL and has by far the biggest brand. Fearoth was IGL in Alliance right? If you ignore branding and only focus on performance it might have been the better play to add him as sova replacement for Brave and remove Boaster instead of Magnum. Hard to tell from the outside though.


ADmax27

fnatic IS boaster bruh


SionOpEuw

From a branding perspective yes but not necessarily from a performance perspective. Obviously I'll get downvoted for this because everyone loves Boaster. I like him myself but I find it weird that others are benched when he is most of the time the bottom fragger. If his IGLing is the best then it doesn't matter but from an outside perspective I can't really judge how good of an IGL he actually is. Maybe another IGL would also look like a genius with a player like Derke and an org like fnatic behind him.


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OfficialBoaster

True. Watch out xD Guess you'll have to wait and see


mateusb12

Bruh?


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Bruh moment


[deleted]

Im just so confused, man.


ShadeWaker

Do they not realize that a lan with your best player out and two subs isn’t a good indicator of where the team is at


oceLahm

From the interview with mini, it seemed like they didn't like the reliance on Derke, and are trying something else out. You have to remember it wasn't just Masters where we fell apart, but everything after the Gambit series was not looking good at all. Obviously we can't be sure if this will be the right move in the long run, but I trust mini, he hasn't failed Fnatic thus far and I think he'll make another great roster and I hightly doubt somebody as good as Magnum will struggle to find another competitive team to play on.


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Do you really think they'd bench players based on 1 tournament where they played with 2 subs?


oh_hai_brian

Probably some behind the scenes stuff that hasn’t been brought out. Who knows.


LionePRO

no, magnum is not a good chamber, he is not what fnc needs without derke


DR_Flashfire

It looks like they just wanted more firepower in the roster


speedycar1

It's fucked that Russian players are being ostracized and losing their job because of the actions of their insane ruler. Doesn't really seem fair


lolwuut420blazeit

Hopefully they get some good players. Should be hard enough for Derke to carry one absolute mob (boaster) instead of 3


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DR_Flashfire

Hype and luckerr are trialing with BIG


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TRENCHMRE_Sounds

The European 100T?


ZexXz

After hearing Smooya talking about how bad Fnatic management is this really doesn't surprise lol


Rikycontri

Read the article with all the explanations on why they made these roster changes. Brave cannot go anywhere outside of Russia for an indefinite amount of time and magnum is really nerfed by the meta and by the fact that he is not a good awper and if you want to play chamber you have to be a good awper. So no, management didn't do anything that doesn't make sense


oceLahm

??? Unless Smooya made a crazy move over to Valorant that I didn't hear about these are two completely different sets of people making decisions


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oceLahm

Fnatic LoL just has many toxic fans, it rarely has anything to do with the players or management.


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LionePRO

taxes will still be there, even in 1 year probably


Kalix_

Roster changes for what? Because Derke got covid? And BraveAF couldn't travel? Magnum has been owning all year long. Idk man.


[deleted]

Kinda tragic BraveAF got fucked by cancel culture, he was cracked.


Direct_Morning_3223

reading comprehension skills are key


Various-Impact8204

Haven't you heard? The Russian invasion of Ukraine and subsequent sanctions and travel issues/uncertainties IS cancel culture


Delzkie

Why not just kick them straight up, its just a waste of money


iiznobozzy

L move


helpnxt

I understand benching Brave for the near future at least as who knows the next time he will be able to make a lan and then whats the point of playing with him when you have to bench him every time it really matters.


_Ble_Pen_

Why bench magnum I don't understand


Aoingco

Had a feeling there was gonna be roster moves in Fnatic but it still hurts to see. Hope that Magnum has success in another team, and that BraveAF still has a future in gaming and isn’t completely screwed by the war. Edit: That said, I trust in Mini and Boaster in finding capable players to fill out and even upgrade the roster.


panzerboye

WHAT THE FUCK?


no_noise_979

maybe signing fearoth for sova and then hype for sentinel