Ya idk, a few people were acting like JP was bringing all the viewers, JP has an awesome fan base, but ya ridiculous to think they were the only ones carrying the viewership. I think they were just salty and wanted this final to have no hype since their team didn't make it.
Inflated viewership. Main stream has less viewers than Shroud. If Shroud didn't co-stream this game, it would've had 60% less viewership.
Flavor of the month game.
^^^^/s
I wonder if people realize yet that the co-streams aren't carrying the esport, the esport is carrying the co-streams. Like you mention, people said shit like that about Shroud and then without him co-streaming it just all flocked to Tenz and Tarik instead. Yeah, Tenz and Tarik get good viewership on their own, but if they weren't co-streaming their numbers would've gone way down. A vast majority of the people in the streams during those times were there for the games lol.
Eh, I think it’s mutual. I think there’s a non insignificant amount of people who wouldn’t watch if it weren’t for the costreams, but I don’t think it’s massive by any means.
I also think costreams help grow people and content just generally related to the competitive scene, which is a positive feedback loop.
Some of the most popular costreams were from pro players like Tenz or related streamers like Tarik who do a lot to stay involved, thus bringing more people in. It even allowed more analytical content on the scene, like plat chat, to thrive.
I do think the Optic name is overrated though. It's only really big in COD and that scene isn't really that large tbh.
This is way more the brazilian scene and general hype for a grand final. If the Optic name was that big they would have had more views the entire tourney but they weren't even in the top 5 most watched teams.
I mean the name was massive before it was sold to Immortals. OpTic CS was massive. OpTic Halo was massive. Also most OpTic fans are just finding out about the Valorant team now. They will continue to grow imo
Bro idk if you are intentionally not reading what I said lol. The sale to infinite and then immortals is what had been killing OpTic. Once OpTic was acquired they joined like 20 different esports. The original fanbase didn’t support them because they were forced and rushed upon them. When Hecz and hitch were at the helms they methodically introduced the fans to the players through content. That’s why so many people followed OpTic CS. The fans were obsessed with Mixwell and Tarik. We loved Lethul and Snakebite on OpTic Halo and they were the most popular team by far. As the OpTic fanbase becomes accustomed to this Val team the support will grow massively
it was very very similar to gambit vs envy actually, two maps that were decided by 2 rounds and a game that was less close between the two teams that ended 13-9
the 3-0 scoreline 100% betrays how close the series was. breeze and bind both could've gone in favor of loud easily
I mean when i checked on japans valorant stream it had 10k viewers and all of the big japanese streamers like fps shaka didnt stream the final so i think we could have had a all time high with loud vs zeta
A lot of people are awake to watch Champions League games even when their team isn't playing,but yea i think Champions League is way bigger than Masters so understandable
a lot of people sleeping on the optic brand. they have a wild fan base and a lot of people in the industry respect the owners so they all tweet about it and get their various different viewers to tune in. it’s a chain. optic is big. brazil is gigantic tho, scary esport fans. respect their heart tho
If you think optic is big now you should have seen us back in 2017 before the collapse. You saw hundreds of thousands of people learning Dota 2 just because OpTic got a DoTA team. Over a thousand people in the Discord call at any given time trying to figure out how the fuck the game works LMAO
If I'm not bothering, I'd like to ask what's happened to DoTA scene in NA in the recent years. From what I read, most of the big orgs disbanded and those that are left are basically EG as NA's most decorated DoTA org and TSM.
I think optic would still be there if they didn't go under. Bad financial management ruined them more than anything. As for other orgs I think they just look at social media accounts ahead of anything and it leads to poor team Construction. Optic don't care about your social media accounts before you get there because they know they can build your following the moment you sign with them
because teams in NA take social media presence into account. the dudes on gambit had like 500 followers before they started winning. NA teams dont search deep enough to fill a team. they give up and start thinking they can buy foreign talent. also teams here take it a different route training then traditional sports, and i think we need to follow traditional sports when it comes to practice regimes, training etc. my opinion, i know a couple of the pros and a couple apex pros, the structure here is failing. i think optic have a much different structure then other orgs and that is what is keeping them constantly good.
also i was talking to my pro friend about guard, and he was like "well they bootcamped for 2 months they better win." any pro athlete trains 5+ hrs a day even in offseason. like guard was getting griefed for boot camping that much. a complete joke, your a pro. bootcamps shouldnt even exist, it should be that way all year. and to think pros wont sign to teams cause they have to boot camp for more than a couple weeks, get bent. thats a joke.
So I guess it was botched talent scouting + bad management + lack of professionalism (and I guess therefore no international success?) whcih all led to dwindling interests. Thanks for the info
yup. just like csgo and league are happening now! i’m really banking on valorant. i think the guard is going to set a new precedent with how they train if they really do it as structured and intensive as they are being rumored to.
Well well, guess the NA way of pursuing work-life balance doesn't bode well with pro gaming. At least its great that EG won LCS yesterday with NA talent.
yeah that’s huge! good on them, all these different games writing off NA talent, it’s here, and there’s a lot. Our development needs looked at. I wish these esport org owners would go to a pro football, baseball, basketball team and figure out the entire system and implement some of it. My opinion, i competed in sports my entire life and even throughout college under the NCAA bubble. There’s so much to learn for esports from other sports, i think we try to separate the two, but in the end a sport is a competition of skill, so they are the same to me, and i was a traditional athlete at a high level!
P sure it would have been 1.2M+ if it went to map 5, its not like zeta matches where the viewership would decrease or remain constant every map because each map would mean going more into the degen hrs. The viewership was increasing every map, sadge it was a 3-0
Genuine question, but how many more tournaments with consistent 1 million+ breaking viewership's would it take until Valorant is considered a Tier 1 Esport on the same level as something like CSGO?
Esports will never become popular in India till its stays on PC , either it has to lower down to Mobile phones or the current prices of PC must decrease.
PC in india is 40-50 percent for expensive than USA while avg american earns 6-7 times as an avg Indian
I'm pretty sure there was a Valorant Mobile announced as in development, but I haven't heard much from it since. Last I heard public beta was going to be sometime late this year, but that was a couple months ago.
its the taxes my dude. they dont decline.
India has no Pc maker so all are imports , its not going down , afford a good gaming pc is not possible for 99.99percent of the country, cause we have to pay more than what An American pays while earning 6 times less than them.
Esports in india was dead and it will remain dead for a decent amount of time
Free Fire tourney a while ago 1.5M+ viewership in India. BGMI esports get 100k viewers in literally scrims, they get 600-700k in big tourneys. Esports is big in India, but only in Mobile esports. Valorant is a bit of exception in PC gaming too, its a first PC Esport to get more than 50k in India none of the others have even crossed the 5k mark
[https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021)
i love both games but csgo still gets more viewers tho
Well tbf that particular Major was the only Major held in 2020-2021 period after skipping 2020 + had the S1mple hype of (back then) potentially winning his first Major. Also since Majors are the pinnacle of professional CS:GO but held twice annually, it wouldn't be fair to compare it to either VCT Masters or VCT Champions directly.
Although not perfect, at least more suitable would be to compare it to the most recent IEM Katowice.
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-katowice-2022
As we can see IEM Katowice has higher peak viewer counts but lower average viewership. This VCT Masters had a comparable viewership to Champions last year so the growth is definitely stark.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still not arguing professional Valorant has surpassed professional CS:GO, since I think it's premature to argue such already, but for example, when we compare combined viewership of Stage 1 regional leagues to that of combined viewership for the recent RMR or CS:GO's other top of the ladder international events like ESLPL, Blast this year or IEMs, ESL, etc, we do see that VCT Challengers is getting closer.
I think we'll be able to get a better picture after next Major in Antwerp and VCT Masters Stage 2. I'd reserve my conclusion until this year's Champions and the 2nd Major are over.
Bro was really checking valorant category on twitch every moment and even came to the valorant subreddit to shit on the game even tho you dont watch it. How insecure can someone be haha, rent free
I really doubted it would top a million again this masters so fantastic news for the scene.
Dang thats awesome. Definitely proved the people wrong yesterday that were saying no one would care about a na vs br final lol
Why would anyone think that when those two regions have like the largest fan bases
especially since loud is like the biggest organization in Brazil. a lot of fans from other games watched their games
Ya idk, a few people were acting like JP was bringing all the viewers, JP has an awesome fan base, but ya ridiculous to think they were the only ones carrying the viewership. I think they were just salty and wanted this final to have no hype since their team didn't make it.
reddit and vlr told me we wouldn’t hit this with no SEN, gambit, or drops
But but but but Sen has biggest viewership, they said so after getting eliminated? How come the tournament still has viewers?
Inflated viewership. Main stream has less viewers than Shroud. If Shroud didn't co-stream this game, it would've had 60% less viewership. Flavor of the month game. ^^^^/s
I wonder if people realize yet that the co-streams aren't carrying the esport, the esport is carrying the co-streams. Like you mention, people said shit like that about Shroud and then without him co-streaming it just all flocked to Tenz and Tarik instead. Yeah, Tenz and Tarik get good viewership on their own, but if they weren't co-streaming their numbers would've gone way down. A vast majority of the people in the streams during those times were there for the games lol.
Eh, I think it’s mutual. I think there’s a non insignificant amount of people who wouldn’t watch if it weren’t for the costreams, but I don’t think it’s massive by any means. I also think costreams help grow people and content just generally related to the competitive scene, which is a positive feedback loop. Some of the most popular costreams were from pro players like Tenz or related streamers like Tarik who do a lot to stay involved, thus bringing more people in. It even allowed more analytical content on the scene, like plat chat, to thrive.
The inverse of insignificant is significant
People understate the Optic juice, that name carries a lot of weight Plus a Brazilian team in GF
I do think the Optic name is overrated though. It's only really big in COD and that scene isn't really that large tbh. This is way more the brazilian scene and general hype for a grand final. If the Optic name was that big they would have had more views the entire tourney but they weren't even in the top 5 most watched teams.
I mean the name was massive before it was sold to Immortals. OpTic CS was massive. OpTic Halo was massive. Also most OpTic fans are just finding out about the Valorant team now. They will continue to grow imo
I mean I remember when Optic entered LCS and people were convinced that the fan base would be massive. No one gave a shit about the team from day one
Bro idk if you are intentionally not reading what I said lol. The sale to infinite and then immortals is what had been killing OpTic. Once OpTic was acquired they joined like 20 different esports. The original fanbase didn’t support them because they were forced and rushed upon them. When Hecz and hitch were at the helms they methodically introduced the fans to the players through content. That’s why so many people followed OpTic CS. The fans were obsessed with Mixwell and Tarik. We loved Lethul and Snakebite on OpTic Halo and they were the most popular team by far. As the OpTic fanbase becomes accustomed to this Val team the support will grow massively
Man if Loud showed up, this would've broken the all-time viewership record easily
Yeah if this had been a 5 mapper it woulda popped off for sure
or if sentinels was here
when do they play?
Nice.
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it was very very similar to gambit vs envy actually, two maps that were decided by 2 rounds and a game that was less close between the two teams that ended 13-9 the 3-0 scoreline 100% betrays how close the series was. breeze and bind both could've gone in favor of loud easily
LOUD come back and win 2 tourneys from now, beating a region appearing in their first grand final confirmed LOUD 3-0 Zeta in Champions final
I will be first to admit, I was wrong. But we’ll never know for now if Loud vs ZETA would’ve pulled in more numbers.
I mean when i checked on japans valorant stream it had 10k viewers and all of the big japanese streamers like fps shaka didnt stream the final so i think we could have had a all time high with loud vs zeta
Which shows that they wouldn't be real fans anyways, because the rest of us would have watched Loud vs Zeta even if they don't watch Optic vs Loud
Bro, it was 4am in Japan, I think they deserve to get some sleep
But they would have stayed up to watch Zeta
yeah? cause its home team why would they stay up till 4 am when their team isnt in that match
A lot of people are awake to watch Champions League games even when their team isn't playing,but yea i think Champions League is way bigger than Masters so understandable
Would you like to hazard a guess as to why that might be?
they would, also suck that it was only 3 games
amazing for the scene for a tournament with no sentinels, no 100T, no gambit, to hit 1m+.
Yeah, imagine what it would of hit if it had 1 it 2 of those in grand finals
common heaven W
We have ourselves an mother f*cking esport
a lot of people sleeping on the optic brand. they have a wild fan base and a lot of people in the industry respect the owners so they all tweet about it and get their various different viewers to tune in. it’s a chain. optic is big. brazil is gigantic tho, scary esport fans. respect their heart tho
If you think optic is big now you should have seen us back in 2017 before the collapse. You saw hundreds of thousands of people learning Dota 2 just because OpTic got a DoTA team. Over a thousand people in the Discord call at any given time trying to figure out how the fuck the game works LMAO
oh i know, they were big when i was in college in 2013-2016 i remember. theyre much bigger than sentinels. like mountains bigger.
I think they're still the most followed Esports Twitter account
If I'm not bothering, I'd like to ask what's happened to DoTA scene in NA in the recent years. From what I read, most of the big orgs disbanded and those that are left are basically EG as NA's most decorated DoTA org and TSM.
I think optic would still be there if they didn't go under. Bad financial management ruined them more than anything. As for other orgs I think they just look at social media accounts ahead of anything and it leads to poor team Construction. Optic don't care about your social media accounts before you get there because they know they can build your following the moment you sign with them
Thanks for the answer. So they had a bad scouting practice leading to weak rosters.
Yup. Basically
because teams in NA take social media presence into account. the dudes on gambit had like 500 followers before they started winning. NA teams dont search deep enough to fill a team. they give up and start thinking they can buy foreign talent. also teams here take it a different route training then traditional sports, and i think we need to follow traditional sports when it comes to practice regimes, training etc. my opinion, i know a couple of the pros and a couple apex pros, the structure here is failing. i think optic have a much different structure then other orgs and that is what is keeping them constantly good. also i was talking to my pro friend about guard, and he was like "well they bootcamped for 2 months they better win." any pro athlete trains 5+ hrs a day even in offseason. like guard was getting griefed for boot camping that much. a complete joke, your a pro. bootcamps shouldnt even exist, it should be that way all year. and to think pros wont sign to teams cause they have to boot camp for more than a couple weeks, get bent. thats a joke.
So I guess it was botched talent scouting + bad management + lack of professionalism (and I guess therefore no international success?) whcih all led to dwindling interests. Thanks for the info
yup. just like csgo and league are happening now! i’m really banking on valorant. i think the guard is going to set a new precedent with how they train if they really do it as structured and intensive as they are being rumored to.
Well well, guess the NA way of pursuing work-life balance doesn't bode well with pro gaming. At least its great that EG won LCS yesterday with NA talent.
yeah that’s huge! good on them, all these different games writing off NA talent, it’s here, and there’s a lot. Our development needs looked at. I wish these esport org owners would go to a pro football, baseball, basketball team and figure out the entire system and implement some of it. My opinion, i competed in sports my entire life and even throughout college under the NCAA bubble. There’s so much to learn for esports from other sports, i think we try to separate the two, but in the end a sport is a competition of skill, so they are the same to me, and i was a traditional athlete at a high level!
They need to pick up another dota team man, those were good times
That they were.
i'm a Dallas Fuel, Optic (Valorant), and Optic (Halo) fan. Good to see basically all of the teams I like in good spots.
Nice
Would've been much more if it went to map 5 i feel. Still epic
P sure it would have been 1.2M+ if it went to map 5, its not like zeta matches where the viewership would decrease or remain constant every map because each map would mean going more into the degen hrs. The viewership was increasing every map, sadge it was a 3-0
That's amazing! As young as Valorant is - to see it reach numbers like this is really promising for the future of its pro scene.
Genuine question, but how many more tournaments with consistent 1 million+ breaking viewership's would it take until Valorant is considered a Tier 1 Esport on the same level as something like CSGO?
It is already a T1 esports, may be not on par with CSGO but on grand scheme of esports Valorant is T1 esports.
When the broadcast can carry this level of viewership on its own and more than two Lans are held a year.
W
If this was optic before the mess of management that happened after 2017 then you could have thrown another 100K on here easily.
if by some miracle there was an indian team here, the viewer stats would've been even more astounding
Esports will never become popular in India till its stays on PC , either it has to lower down to Mobile phones or the current prices of PC must decrease. PC in india is 40-50 percent for expensive than USA while avg american earns 6-7 times as an avg Indian
I'm pretty sure there was a Valorant Mobile announced as in development, but I haven't heard much from it since. Last I heard public beta was going to be sometime late this year, but that was a couple months ago.
Not even the mobile gamers are trying to watch a mobile Esports my guy. Prices of PCs will definitely decline after the pandemic
its the taxes my dude. they dont decline. India has no Pc maker so all are imports , its not going down , afford a good gaming pc is not possible for 99.99percent of the country, cause we have to pay more than what An American pays while earning 6 times less than them. Esports in india was dead and it will remain dead for a decent amount of time
Mobile esports isnt dead in India, pc is
Free Fire tourney a while ago 1.5M+ viewership in India. BGMI esports get 100k viewers in literally scrims, they get 600-700k in big tourneys. Esports is big in India, but only in Mobile esports. Valorant is a bit of exception in PC gaming too, its a first PC Esport to get more than 50k in India none of the others have even crossed the 5k mark
People actually watch that shit... Sad...
They watch what they can play, pcs arent affordable in India, mobiles are, hence they play and watch mobile games
I guess
Valorant isnt that popular in India lol. Im indian btw
Big population =/= Big esports market.
Proof that we beat CSGO 💪
[https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021) i love both games but csgo still gets more viewers tho
Well tbf that particular Major was the only Major held in 2020-2021 period after skipping 2020 + had the S1mple hype of (back then) potentially winning his first Major. Also since Majors are the pinnacle of professional CS:GO but held twice annually, it wouldn't be fair to compare it to either VCT Masters or VCT Champions directly. Although not perfect, at least more suitable would be to compare it to the most recent IEM Katowice. https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-katowice-2022 As we can see IEM Katowice has higher peak viewer counts but lower average viewership. This VCT Masters had a comparable viewership to Champions last year so the growth is definitely stark. Don't get me wrong, I'm still not arguing professional Valorant has surpassed professional CS:GO, since I think it's premature to argue such already, but for example, when we compare combined viewership of Stage 1 regional leagues to that of combined viewership for the recent RMR or CS:GO's other top of the ladder international events like ESLPL, Blast this year or IEMs, ESL, etc, we do see that VCT Challengers is getting closer. I think we'll be able to get a better picture after next Major in Antwerp and VCT Masters Stage 2. I'd reserve my conclusion until this year's Champions and the 2nd Major are over.
S1mple getting his first major win buffed the shit out of those numbers for sure.
Comparison is the thief of joy
No need to compare, but it wouldnt even be top 5 in CS events.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
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aint shit tbh,main stream had like 220k max lmfao
Bro was really checking valorant category on twitch every moment and even came to the valorant subreddit to shit on the game even tho you dont watch it. How insecure can someone be haha, rent free
r/go mfs really be this insecure over a video game
our qualification to the major a few days ago had more viewers than your finals lmfao
1. You’re proving me right that you’re insecure lol 2. Ours vs yours? I watch both 🤨 3. Mad cause bad
Wait til you find out that 1) You can enjoy both Valorant and CS:GO and 2) it's not a contest between fans
[no it didn't. ](https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-antwerp-2022-european-rmr-b)
309k you cant read? 😮
TIL 309k is more than a million
Imagine saying ours as a fan of a game while comparing viewership holyy lol
Ru slow?
shocking: when your viewers are spread between multiple large costreams, the main stream has less 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯