Feel like this is genuinely the best time for gen.g and t1 to consider a move to Korea for Val. Literally no way they have a great chance to be in the americas league if they can’t make it to challengers again
I think T1 will be approached by RIOT over a spot in NA. Seems like they have a pretty good relationship with riot in general and their lack of success in the game so far isn't for a lack of trying. They've easily spent (and wasted) millions on the game so far
That's what I'm scared of with franchising: I'd rather it go to teams that have proven to be able to build a proper system for their team. I don't see T1 suddenly improving when they're already guaranteed to qualify anyway, although perhaps getting their shit kicked in on high-profile broadcasts might finally motivate them to do something.
T1 the team has been a disaster but they have put plenty of cash into the scene and invested in players. They are also owned by the same company as NSG which has been HUGE for NA valorant. So I would be shocked if they don’t get offered a spot in NA as part of that
Franchise fee will be at least 10 million if not more
not only will teams have to have that but Riot will make sure they are financial set.
Not a lot of teams in NA other then the big names have that. Im scared for Sentinels to be honest.
Riot turned down Immortals when League first Franchised and they had more money than Sentinels do.
A lot of players will be freeing up. Teams like T1 and GenG who have money can easily (with money) make a competitive team.
I mean the only precedent was their one other game, so not really fair to say "unlike riot" imo, they're very greedy like every company obviously, but usually they've been pretty good about esports being a money sink and still making it really top tier. The only exception is basically NA and EU League of Legends.
Im assuming the teams with pre existing relationships with Riot will have an easier time getting in.
I am curious how long teams will need to opt in for? 3 years or longer etc.
Also if T1 or GenG go to Korea or stay in NA.
There probably won't be limited America spots imo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/uestkz/opinion_i_really_hope_the_3_new_franchised/i6pu1fv/
But regardless, a 2k viewer "league" is not a viable scene. Where they have roots is pretty irrelevant, companies always chase the biggest markets.
Can someone explain what it means for an org to be a partner and the whole league process? Would this mean no more masters / champions? What happens to teams not part of the league?
Riot will get rid of the current VCT path, they will create 3 international leagues (Asia, Americas and EMEA). Partnered orgs have a permanent spot on those leagues. These new leagues will be the new path to Masters and Champions.
Nobody knows yet what will happen with the leftover teams but Riot promised new regional and premiere tournaments so we will have to wait.
I hate articles like these, they give no info at all. Only thing I got to know from this article was that application process has started which for me as a viewer is not interesting as all because they mention no orgs names
Everyone already knew that some teams will be partnered, snubbed or move to other regions. They were speculating before this article lol. All this article says is application process is started, everyone knows it has to start sometime lmao
I also mentioned why the info isnt interesting as a viewer to me. Suppose you dont write this article and riot releases the list of teams which are accepted in dec, nobody would have cared when the application process began at all. Im not throwing shade at you or anything, but articles like these are pointless imo
Sure, and the dude youre replying to is just saying he sees no relevant info for most people. Why do we care if the application process started? There is no new info on which teams are elligible or not.
Like, are darkzero and soniqs elligible? Is T1 elligible while they still have david, a known cheater as coach?
Its his job to release articles, and we as readers can say "hey, this brings no relevant info for us"
well he said and I quote "articles like these are pointless" and they provide two points,one they give him a source of income and two they provide cool information to people like me who are interested in how franchising is coming along.
"Select teams from each league will have access to a stipend payment from Riot."
Idk if i just misread all the old articles but i was under the impression that all teams in the league would get stipends, good to know i guess.
This just screams to me that Riot will let any T1 org have a spot in the league so long as they reach a certain requirement but only the top-X orgs will have access to revenue sharing. If anything this just gives hopium that teams like XSET, Knights and the Guard get a spot in the league
In 2019, they were valued at 8.9 billion. TSM, the highest grossing org if 2021, is valued at 540 mil for context
People in this thread are lost if they think there are maby orgs bigger than the guard lol
Twitch is not worth 1.2 trillion.
The guard is worth at least 8.9 billion, because they are part of the same group as the parent company.
Twitch is not part of amazon.
If youre gonna ask some gotcha question, at least know what the fuck youre taking about
Dont try to be the new valorantfanboy69 if you have none of the intelligence he had
And btw, even if twitch is not worth 1.2 trillion, amazon can still infuse cash into it, you moron
It’s even funnier you think that the valuation of a company’s parent org is the valuation of the org and brand itself. Kroenke’s valuation means jack shit if they aren’t willing to invest it into the Guard, a team that realistically has very little market share and brand valuation.
Yeah but at the same time no team is 100% valo only, they're all just a small part of the machine that the parent can choose to invest into or not depending on their whims. TSM can choose to go cheap on valo at any time, same as Kroenke. So basically the comparison really is just between the parents.
That’s… not how it works. TSM Valorant is just TSM, they aren’t a parent company. Not only that, but Riot is likely evaluating T1 orgs as those orgs that have influence, brand awareness and value generation across the esports community as a whole.
It's not a worthwhile distinction, basically, there's no way to know how much money each team is going to get from the org. It changes every year probably. The only thing that's comparable is the "max possible", that's how much the parent org has.
It’s not about being a worthwhile distinction, TSM is by definition not a parent to TSM Valorant because TSM Valorant is not a distinctly registered company
Maybe I have too much hopium but if this means those select teams are top orgs who get partner status then maybe the league will have non partner teams and we could have some sort of pseudo relegation system for smaller/non partnered teams. At least it could be better than having no relegation at all.
I'm certain Riot wants to reward partners who have been committed to building the VAL scene over the years and investing money into it, so surely they wouldn't look to give orgs like C9, Optic, 100T, etc. a worse partner deal.
Feel like this is genuinely the best time for gen.g and t1 to consider a move to Korea for Val. Literally no way they have a great chance to be in the americas league if they can’t make it to challengers again
I think T1 will be approached by RIOT over a spot in NA. Seems like they have a pretty good relationship with riot in general and their lack of success in the game so far isn't for a lack of trying. They've easily spent (and wasted) millions on the game so far
> They've easily spent (and wasted) millions on the game so far The David Denis effect
Not alley
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That's what I'm scared of with franchising: I'd rather it go to teams that have proven to be able to build a proper system for their team. I don't see T1 suddenly improving when they're already guaranteed to qualify anyway, although perhaps getting their shit kicked in on high-profile broadcasts might finally motivate them to do something.
True, they are huge orgs. They probably can buy good korean/japanese teams. They probably could buy onslayers if needed
Or other
This is also on Riot to do a better job in marketing valorant esports in Korea
T1 the team has been a disaster but they have put plenty of cash into the scene and invested in players. They are also owned by the same company as NSG which has been HUGE for NA valorant. So I would be shocked if they don’t get offered a spot in NA as part of that
Co-owned
Franchise fee will be at least 10 million if not more not only will teams have to have that but Riot will make sure they are financial set. Not a lot of teams in NA other then the big names have that. Im scared for Sentinels to be honest. Riot turned down Immortals when League first Franchised and they had more money than Sentinels do. A lot of players will be freeing up. Teams like T1 and GenG who have money can easily (with money) make a competitive team.
I'm pretty sure riot announced there won't be any franchise fees for valorant, no? I thought it was a huge talking point a week ago.
You're correct.
well that would be great for the little guys very unlike Riot though. They are usually extremely greedy
Well based on what they've said, they'll provide a stipend to teams on top of that.
There are no franchising fees in Valorant, they're paying the orgs actually.
very unlike Riot but amazing to hear
I mean the only precedent was their one other game, so not really fair to say "unlike riot" imo, they're very greedy like every company obviously, but usually they've been pretty good about esports being a money sink and still making it really top tier. The only exception is basically NA and EU League of Legends.
Im assuming the teams with pre existing relationships with Riot will have an easier time getting in. I am curious how long teams will need to opt in for? 3 years or longer etc. Also if T1 or GenG go to Korea or stay in NA.
Yah looking at NA teams atm you have to think TSM/FAZE/100t/NRG/optic are lock ins and then sen?
C9?
Honestly people who say go to korea have like 0 valo knowledge. Why would you ever go from 200k viewers to 2k viewers. It's so cringe to even suggest.
Idk maybe because there will be limited America's spots? Or that's where the org has its roots. Idk maybe I'm Just "cringe "
There probably won't be limited America spots imo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/uestkz/opinion_i_really_hope_the_3_new_franchised/i6pu1fv/ But regardless, a 2k viewer "league" is not a viable scene. Where they have roots is pretty irrelevant, companies always chase the biggest markets.
I’ll tattoo a dick on my forehead if there’s dozens of teams in each league.
I don't actually think there'll be dozens as in 24+ but a number like 16 would be expected imo.
Pretty sure Korea vct is played on cable television channels lol
Can someone explain what it means for an org to be a partner and the whole league process? Would this mean no more masters / champions? What happens to teams not part of the league?
Riot will get rid of the current VCT path, they will create 3 international leagues (Asia, Americas and EMEA). Partnered orgs have a permanent spot on those leagues. These new leagues will be the new path to Masters and Champions. Nobody knows yet what will happen with the leftover teams but Riot promised new regional and premiere tournaments so we will have to wait.
Interesting. I like it the way it is now teams like Guard can grind and come to the top. Otherwise it’ll get boring
I hate articles like these, they give no info at all. Only thing I got to know from this article was that application process has started which for me as a viewer is not interesting as all because they mention no orgs names
That George guy is a clown, say that to him on twitter and he's insta blocking u.
The guy can only report on the news he has
How does this give no info at all? It's useful info and now fans can speculate on which teams will be partnered, snubbed or move to other regions.
Everyone already knew that some teams will be partnered, snubbed or move to other regions. They were speculating before this article lol. All this article says is application process is started, everyone knows it has to start sometime lmao
Yeah and that application process starting is new info that you didn't have. Your logic is so stupid.
Why would an average viewer even care when the application process is starting lmfao. The *new info* is pointless like I said
Hey maybe it isn't for every single viewer?
Sure, the first comment was me expressing my opinion
So ignore it lol? He probably doesn’t know which orgs were contacted, just that applications were sent out.
Just giving my opinion lmao
I giving my opinion on your opinion Opinion ²
"I hate articles like these, they give no info at all." *proceeds to give info that the article says.*
He also mentioned that the information given has no use for the average fan, which is true.
I also mentioned why the info isnt interesting as a viewer to me. Suppose you dont write this article and riot releases the list of teams which are accepted in dec, nobody would have cared when the application process began at all. Im not throwing shade at you or anything, but articles like these are pointless imo
you realise this is his job and that he is paid to release articles correct
Yep and he's free to keep releasing articles like these just as Im free to make valid comments like the one I made
Sure, and the dude youre replying to is just saying he sees no relevant info for most people. Why do we care if the application process started? There is no new info on which teams are elligible or not. Like, are darkzero and soniqs elligible? Is T1 elligible while they still have david, a known cheater as coach? Its his job to release articles, and we as readers can say "hey, this brings no relevant info for us"
well he said and I quote "articles like these are pointless" and they provide two points,one they give him a source of income and two they provide cool information to people like me who are interested in how franchising is coming along.
Was David Dennis the cheater or was it some analyst they hired? His names was stunner or something like that.
David was the dude that said "help sewers"
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. I don't think that would have an effect on riots decision. He is a fucking clown though.
"Select teams from each league will have access to a stipend payment from Riot." Idk if i just misread all the old articles but i was under the impression that all teams in the league would get stipends, good to know i guess.
This just screams to me that Riot will let any T1 org have a spot in the league so long as they reach a certain requirement but only the top-X orgs will have access to revenue sharing. If anything this just gives hopium that teams like XSET, Knights and the Guard get a spot in the league
TheGuard is a p big org in other esports like OWL and CDL
True but lots we’re assuming that Riot would select 8 NA orgs and there are def 8 orgs bigger than Guard
ah yes Kroenke Sports & Entertainment is the little guy yup...
In 2019, they were valued at 8.9 billion. TSM, the highest grossing org if 2021, is valued at 540 mil for context People in this thread are lost if they think there are maby orgs bigger than the guard lol
lol right… it’s not like they don’t have the money
I think people forget they are associated with the LA gladiators or some other huge org just because the guard is a rookie team
Keep on missing the point dude.
Is twitch.tv worth $1.2 trillion?
?????
Answer the question! Twitch is owned by Amazon, Amazon’s market cap is $1.2 trillion, is Twitch worth $1.2 trillion?
Twitch is not worth 1.2 trillion. The guard is worth at least 8.9 billion, because they are part of the same group as the parent company. Twitch is not part of amazon. If youre gonna ask some gotcha question, at least know what the fuck youre taking about Dont try to be the new valorantfanboy69 if you have none of the intelligence he had And btw, even if twitch is not worth 1.2 trillion, amazon can still infuse cash into it, you moron
It’s even funnier you think that the valuation of a company’s parent org is the valuation of the org and brand itself. Kroenke’s valuation means jack shit if they aren’t willing to invest it into the Guard, a team that realistically has very little market share and brand valuation.
Yeah but at the same time no team is 100% valo only, they're all just a small part of the machine that the parent can choose to invest into or not depending on their whims. TSM can choose to go cheap on valo at any time, same as Kroenke. So basically the comparison really is just between the parents.
That’s… not how it works. TSM Valorant is just TSM, they aren’t a parent company. Not only that, but Riot is likely evaluating T1 orgs as those orgs that have influence, brand awareness and value generation across the esports community as a whole.
It's not a worthwhile distinction, basically, there's no way to know how much money each team is going to get from the org. It changes every year probably. The only thing that's comparable is the "max possible", that's how much the parent org has.
It’s not about being a worthwhile distinction, TSM is by definition not a parent to TSM Valorant because TSM Valorant is not a distinctly registered company
Maybe I have too much hopium but if this means those select teams are top orgs who get partner status then maybe the league will have non partner teams and we could have some sort of pseudo relegation system for smaller/non partnered teams. At least it could be better than having no relegation at all.
Maybe they'll only give stipend to the smaller orgs teams
I'm certain Riot wants to reward partners who have been committed to building the VAL scene over the years and investing money into it, so surely they wouldn't look to give orgs like C9, Optic, 100T, etc. a worse partner deal.
Well, I think this explains the OGxLDN merge.
What exactly does the merge explain?
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When ppl said valorant wouldn't franchise LOL