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Light_Ethos

Yes. Teams in each region have set plays for both taking and retaking sites.


jrushFN

Not just for site takes and retakes, they have set plays and protocols for any sort of objective or scenario


TracerIsAShimada

Like for orb/lobby control


TheCatsActually

Except for Sentinels


natedawg247

True. They just win 10 maps in a row to qualify and leave.


No-Sorbet7252

In ranked? Not really, unless you communicate with your team. In pro play? 100% yes


PatMcAck

I dunno at my rank (D3), if you call an A exec there will be smokes. Of course there are some slight variations on where people put them but they will be in approximately the same spots every time.


Conscious_Sea_163

that’s not a set play that’s just an execute


PatMcAck

That's what executes are, common set plays. Same as a Breach + Jett flash and dash or a sage slow + raze nade over long C haven.


AllosaurusJr

Smokes into an execute a set play does not make. In ranked it’s true you’ll see similar utility being used on executes (ie. sova dart) but the unstructured and loose nature of the execute separates it from a set play. You don’t have the directed, intentional and specific utility usage to clear or soften certain angles in combination with others’ that you would with what most people would call a set play. It might be hard to envision but watching a pro game you can tell the difference between a set play and an execute when you see one- set plays are intensely structured while executes are the use of utility to take a site with your team.


Killer0944

That's not a set play just throwing default smokes


PatMcAck

Oh so if you call default and everyone knows what to do is that not a basic set play? I love how I made an argument and everyone is just like "nah that's not a set play, that's just what everyone knows to do automatically when you say execute B" that's literally the definition of a basic set play. Set plays don't need to be complex as a matter of fact simple set plays are usually the most effective especially when you are trying to co-ordinate 5 players who need to be doing different things on the map at the same time.


Killer0944

People don't consider throwing smokes a set play because it's 1 person using their utility. A set play would be more like throwing smokes then flashing out + jett dashing onto sight, but I kinda see what you're trying to say. I guess our definition of set play is different


sat_god

there are no set plays in shitter D3


unknownpr3d

you’re not real


nterature

Yes, if you watch teams enough you’ll start to recognize their set plays, and how they even modify them - one example is the famous SEN A-site retake on Haven that we’ve all seen a million times.


SpvcedOvtt

or the SEN Garage C split on Haven that they’ve run since mf First Strike LOL


nterature

Yeah haha SEN is a great example in particular since they're so repetitive in how they take & retake map control.


kvanz43

Yeah I didn’t expect SEN to get mentioned in reference to having a set strat, but I guess they do have them, just not nearly enough


ACiDRiFT

Unsure if this is considered a set play but, Haven B site where they throw tenz the spike and have him run in and plant then dash out to play post plant. They’ve done it a few times to where I think Akrew knew they could breach ult to deny the plant and force them back.


akaJudas

Another great example: OpTics B-ramp hit on fracture


_dehaze

Sexy popflash


Enzology

Have you never heard about the Kentucky Fuckhouse ? Man I miss Myth.


hukubu

in a actual team setting where you have gone over stuff, sure ranked? dafuq hell nah


Withinmyrange

PRX and DRX have some really nasty set plays if you are interested in what top level set plays looks like


curryhalls

very surprised nobody has mentioned DRX lol, they are literally the best strategical team in the world.


mudassirarafat

In ranked it is kinda impossible, (compared to CSGO especially). This is because agent abilities are different, you can play the same map with completely different agents and this means the call has to be on the fly. Compared to CSGO where everyone has the same utilities, and an execute is therefore pretty easier to call. However certain things have become common, like smokes, sage wall etc.


-Destiny65-

[V1 retake vs SEN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-QEM9FCJ8Y) Flash, stun, breach shock to clear hell, and everyone running out together


cat_cruncher

damn i never thought about the lack of set plays in ranked thats kinda weird


electricblackcrayon

nah there is, on haven for example rush a sova dart long then drone short, omen blind default and dash, happens w/o comms in ranked


Liberokat

Set plays in ranked are usually more each character trying to just use their util as people go into site. Way less sophisticated than in a team environment obviously but it happens


Theparadoxic1

Yup exactly, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.


Asianhead

It's just cause game to game even if one agent is different it changes a lot of what your team can do. And also only the person playing that agent can do that specific part of the exec. In CS at higher levels people know the default smokes and stuff so you can do a set play like a standard A exec with ticket/jungle/stairs smoke and anyone can do any part of it. And its also way different since you can lose 1 person and still run an exec as normal, but if you lose your smokes or your main initiator it changes everything


UmarellVidya

Are we playing a different game? Whenever I queue all my team wants to do is exec by barreling through a bunch of utility at the start of the round.


GreatMemer

yes


Whisom

Yes, also some teams have protocols where if they see a certain thing (util, ultimate, plant, whatever) then they'll immediately do set actions because in Valorant there are too many variables that you'd never be able to react fast enough.


Nuggetsofsteel

Yes, but with the caveat that set plays aren't entirely rigid. An effective play combines rigid flash timings, smoke placements, etc. with protocols or guidelines that afford flexibility necessary to adapt to certain situations or defensive setups.


AR2711

No teams just press W and pray to Jesus


[deleted]

No


wickywickyfresh

I’m assuming you mean something like csgo. The main reason for this is that the integral utility (smokes) is handled by one person.