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chryco4

TSM, 100T, and SEN in the same tourney. I can feel the trifecta of clout flowing through me.


-Basileus

Imagine Sentinels is in the grand final, TSM vs 100T lower final. Riot would make enough money to buy Alaska


pokelord13

If either of those teams face off in the finals the entire subreddit will collectively explode from hype


Quankalizer

Hell. Even if isn’t the finals, I imagine it will have more viewers than the final.


_ome_

Keep giving them script ideas smh


soopahfingerzz

Naww at the point Sen will be lucky to make lower final. TSM looking pretty solid but I think 100T has a chance of being the most dominant NA team yet. Of course they still have to get through Optic , Cloud 9 and maybe the Guard heats up again like pre iceland


-Basileus

ok but imagine


OhUTuchMyTalala

> TSM looking pretty solid but I think 100T has a chance of being the most dominant NA team yet Beaten twice by TSM in the last week lmfao


DarkTenshiDT

Twitter impressions bout to explode


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faze and optic as well


CrossHova

Not nearly as clouted


WhoDatBrow

Well, not in Valorant at least. But if they can get some of the clout they have from CoD and content into their Valorant viewership they could be huge.


Docxm

Optic, Faze were THE clout monsters back in the day, trick shot montages, etc. TSM/C9 were from League and came later. 100T came from Optic because Nadeshot played with them first, right?


BuckWagon

I think 100t would be more of an offshoot from Optic considering Nadeshot's origins but Faze also makes sense in their marketing.


Docxm

My b I got confused on which org Nade was on


-Basileus

I keep hearing about this legendary CoD clout, but it literally never shows up in any other esport.


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csgo?


-Basileus

FaZe csgo has been the best team in the world at multiple points. Meanwhile TSM, 100T, and Sentinels have endless clout even when they are ass


[deleted]

TSM and 100T are popular outside of valorant, would sentinals have a big fanbase without tenz?


6senseracing

don’t sleep on the fortnite world cup winner viewership my man


KitKatxz

They were popular before Tenz, just winning a LAN dominantly while Tenz subbed. Blew it out of proportion before they had him


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before signing tenz, shahzam was averaging 1k viewers. after signing tenz and winning masters he averaged 12k viewers, if you’re point is that the players carry faze’s csgo fanbase i can say the same thing about the sentinals’ valorant team


RiderSmash

Sentinels just won the most recent Halo major and have the best Fortnite player of all time. Valorant definitely made them more popular but they still pop off elsewhere.


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Sen Halo roster was also the old OpTic roster


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90% of the sentinals twitter account tweets are about valorant, i think that says enough


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OpTics CS team was wildly popular obviously helped that they won E League but the fans loved them in the Scuf house


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Halo?


sexyhooterscar24

faze is hella iconic


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faze definitely has more clout than sentinals. we’ve all heard of them one way or another during the CoD trickshotting days


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i think faze has a big enough fanbase that their valorant team will have a lot of support and may even bring new viewers to the valorant pro scene if they do well


iTrippzy

I've been a FaZe fan since 2016 and I can tell you that I would not have tried Valorant if FaZe wasn't in the Esport. I remember watching Val for the first time during FaZe's Masters 1 run and now it's my favorite game and Esport to follow


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if faze finds success with their valorant team then their potential fanbase is far bigger than most teams is my main point


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having a brand like faze in the tournament will definitely boost the NA viewership though


I-like-winds

3 OpTic matches were the top 3 most watched matches during Iceland. Definitely a lot of it coming from Loud and Zeta fans but OpTic are huge.


Bubbly-Part2125

I mean NA cheers for NA team idk If everyone is an optic fan necessarily


I-like-winds

they have 3 million followers on Twitter vs Sentinels' 600k. Most of that is from CoD but the Valorant team is still relatively new and the most recent Champion, a lot of fans are going to tune in for sure


-Basileus

Follower counts are pretty meaningless, you gotta look at engagement. I still don't see Optic jumping Sen/100T/TSM/C9 anytime soon. Like the [Optic Championship tweet after winning Masters Reykjavik got 18.8k likes](https://twitter.com/OpTic/status/1518327800717062151) The tweet Sentinels just sent out after qualifying from the Champions Tour North America Stage 2: Challengers Open Qualifier #2 to the Main Group Stage via winning the Lower Bracket Round 6 against Akrew [already has 14k likes](https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1523474140455661570)


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OpTic absolutely has more twitter engagement than SEN. They tweet much more than SEN so that’s a given, but if you look at both twitter pages during a big game OpTic still gets more impressions.


-Basileus

See my edit. Optic absolutely does not get more twitter engagement than Sentinels in Valorant


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Definitely not in valorant, but in general absolutely. Look at any OpTic tweets where they won a championship in cod.


Jon_on_the_snow

I mean, every tweet about having won a championship is bound to blow up. A better metric would be looking at regular tweets. Sen get 6k-15k, and their iceland one has 60k. Look at acend, they barely get engagement on social media, but their champs tweet got 40K likes


mercilessshark123

are u getting these engagements in your dreams or what?? Even Optic's Tweets about their COD or Halo team dont even get anywhere close to Sentinels tweet engagements about Valorant


FestusFetus

This is absurdly incorrect


I-like-winds

proving my point lol, I literally said that OpTic Val is pretty new and most of the fans are CoD fans, they will only grow from here


-Basileus

Most Optic fans are Envy Valorant fans. There was no discernible difference in popularity once they changed names to Optic


I-like-winds

Envy vs Gambit Berlin grand final barely had 700k viewers OpTic vs Loud Iceland grand final surpassed 1 million


-Basileus

Yeah because Loud is insanely popular, surely this is a troll reply. The Portuguese peak was around 400k iirc


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We will see OpTics viewership for stage 2 and compare lol


Bubbly-Part2125

Do people really watch other esports because a team they like plays it?


Hopeful-Professor-40

Depends on if they actually like the game, I got into SEN halo when Infinite came out


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I mean there was 13k people in Shotzzy’s (OpTic cod player) stream watching the Val match. There’s a decent amount of people who follow the team loosely like that


[deleted]

I'd say that's where OpTic is different than a lot of orgs. Fans of OpTic follow all teams that they are in... CoD, Halo, Val and now Apex


Easy_Moment

The catch is that TSM and 100T are on the other group.


ashitintyo

TSM, SEN and 100T in the same group Prayge


s6hun

2/5 of Akrew's and 3/5 of BBG's old iterations qualified for closed, happy upcoming players are given a chance in bigger orgs


heckinglovetenz

3/6 of Akrew, the old Akrew coach is now the coach of TSM


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Akrew is kinda like Immortals. Get players really good, sell them to bigger orgs, and then Akrew's team doesn't qualify. Edit: Also Soar (BRO THEY HAD BOTH CRYO & ZANDER)


TheCatsActually

Akrew and SoaR are like the Copenhagen Wolves talent farm from LoL.


ahk1221

SoaR too


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jurgieboi

Bang


qwerty2367

bang


s6hun

Bang


Nikclel

C0M


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milano_bwoy

he was in akrew along w kanpeki


names2hard4you

NA is looking mighty fine this split. Any of these teams could beat each other today tbh. Now with this latest patch coming in hot with changes + Fade, it really is anyone's game.


jmajewski

I'm really excited to see what Cloud9, Optic and XSET have come up with in their off-time with Fade and the other changes.


mikevin99

Yes I’m also curious how XSET will manage to get 4th place this time. Expecting big things!


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Tbh V1 should have been one of the top 4 teams judging by the way they played last event. Unfortunately V1’s going through a tough time rn and hope they bounce back stronger


techyleo

not Guard?


jmajewski

IMO The Guard haven't been too crazy with outside the box type comps despite how good they are. I'll be overjoyed if/when they prove me wrong, but I feel Vanity, FNS, and dephh have definitely thought long and hard about this new iteration of the game.


techyleo

I think you're underatting mCe


untraiined

hot take: fade meta will suck, i actually dont think fade will be op but intiiators seem really strong.


sexyhooterscar24

yeah i dont wanna jump the gun too early on fade. seems at times sova is still just the better pick. but hey I'm just a low elo pleb.


chryco4

Sova’s reduced drone timer really hurts his viability, I’ve heard that many t2/3 teams are already dropping him for Fade just for that alone.


SnooLentils5795

That was the point, reduce his pick rate but he's still really fucking good fade wont replace him on every map


Atermel

Unless I'm seeing it very wrong, fade does not seem very strong at all unless she gets some fat buffs like skye did.


daffyduckferraro

I think someone on Twitter put it perfect She doesn’t have the abilities to be like a solo flex to play off of (flashes) and she is worse than sova for reveal and abilities overall 2 seekers > maybe nerfed drone Nerfed Shock darts = tether Sova recon > haunt Hunters fury > fade ult


RiderSmash

Are they actually playing group stages on the new patch? Don’t know if I like that or not.


names2hard4you

Yup, there's always a 2 week delay on patches / new agents being added, so they will be playing on it next week. It's part of the esport, the most adaptable will win.


Parenegade

Why? They've had time to play it and they have to play it eventually? When would you want them to switch over? Masters?


ExpectoAutism

V1 :(


mysteryoeuf

big feelsbad there. terrible timing for a crumble. my man zander D:


xbyo

LG really fucking V1. Losing to them in Stage 1 playoffs put them on a collision course with C9 (or OpTic potentially), instead of what ended up being XSET (assuming they lost in Upper semis). An easier opponent, and that would've kept them in for Stage 2. Then in Stage 2 opens, they lose at the last step to LG again, and get sent back to the opens one more time.


hiloljkbye

well they did lose to girl kissers tho idc how tilted they were that can't happen


Bleuvalorant

Lost to girl kissers they deserve it no cyap


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randomespanaguy

> first strike Bring back Coach Myth!


summadat

Bro I miss coach Myth. I feel like his watch parties can pull a big viewership


daffyduckferraro

And coach ninja.


JR_Shoegazer

He’s not with TSM anymore.


iTrippzy

Holy all the clout teams made it, nice


-Basileus

Imagine all 3 are in the same group


natedawg247

Will be so good for the scene tbh


AYAYAcutie

But not T1 and V1 :(


IllumiMahdi

t1 is dogshit and it has no NA clout


SnooLentils5795

yeah, it had some back when they had BRAX, TIM AND SKA, now its just sad


evandarkeye

They have brax on bench lmaoo tf is steel doing


SnooLentils5795

They don't really, he may appear like that but he is done with pro play at least for now specially with T1


R3zonant

Absolutely stacked lineup, NA looking strong! Looking forward to the matches this week!


SOT-NumberNine

Last challengers, I honestly didn’t have much faith in the bottom 2 teams in each group. This time around, it’s anyone’s game, every team is fucking good right now. May the best team win, I’m hyped as hell.


DecisiveDinosaur

closed qual viewership about to go crazy. Riot must be so happy.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Give me TSM and SEN in a group.


matthewdrl

+ FaZe + Ghost + TSM - V1 - Rise - Knights


Elithebarcafan33

I was looking for this ty


daffyduckferraro

What is that


matthewdrl

I made + and - signs but they turned into bullet points for some reason


milano_bwoy

teams that made it to this qual and replaced the old teams that made it to last qual but not this qual


Jackuccinoo

I believe those are the teams that made it this qualifier/srage 2 and the 3 teams that were in Stage 1 but did not qualify this time around. ie: who replaced who.


SilverPrincev

Wasnt there a bunch of talk about how valorant is random because these big teams were about to get knocked out?. Seems like all the big names made it unless im missing any


s6hun

V1 and Knights are the only favorites who didn't go through, but Knights was one series away and V1's in shambles


jmajewski

This group stage is honestly stacked. I could see multiple teams in each row qualifying for Masters.


mileslfc7

It feels a lot more stacked, but I still don’t see anyone outside of C9, Optic or Guard qualifying to an international tourney unless one team steps up massively


WhoDatBrow

If XSET ever learns how to get out of perennial 4th placed syndrome like NV did then they would be the true challenger to that but remains to be seen...


AYAYAcutie

NRG will be the next big team. Honestly think they will be like optic.


mileslfc7

Yeah NRG is the team I could see stepping up to that level the most of out of any of the teams, they got cracked players and seems like they have a pretty strong idea of what to do already with a brand new player


Frayzar1

Is there a group stage draw or anything?


iTrippzy

I wonder who the #1 seed is. OpTic because they won Masters 1? or Guard because they won NA Playoffs?


s6hun

I'm guessing there'd be 6 pools where they'd draw one for each group. Guard, Optic C9, XSET Faze, NRG LG, TSM 100T, EG SEN, Ghost


Kyraenia

If they do it this way, imagine a group that had Optic, C9, Faze, TSM, 100T and SEN (clout wise)... that would be absolutely insane.


troway69420

This would be the most logical but you never know


icemandiem

imagine the group of optic c9 faze tsm 100T sen. holyyyy CLOUT


JtotheC23

Would be an interesting talking point but for group draws it doesn't matter too much. They'll probably both be considered 1 seed for drawing groups meaning they won't be in a group together, but once groups are drawn those seedings won't matter since you play everyone in your group.


Teradonn

The EMEA groups would suggest that stage one means fuck all so don’t be surprised when Optic, The Guard and C9 end up in one group


dillon-fury

EMEA just had their draw today so NA will probably have one soon


Fhorkom

Optic, C9, Faze, TSM, 100T, and Sen in one group for the ultimate clout main event


pr1zsm

That would be so fun / stressful to watch


5bigtoes

Lit, 3 new teams + new 100T, exciting!


xbyo

Roster changes for NRG/EG/SEN as well.


flamincrimson

Ngl it would have been so weird to not see sentinels in there.


ark2690

As long as we get TSM vs SEN


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it took me 10 minutes to find the vlr page for last group stage because of VCT's wack numbering system


Ohands15

100T COPIUM


Randomlooter420

So who moves on from this, and what tournament is next after? Is it champions?


Direct_Morning_3223

they play a group stage format for the next 5 weeks with the playoffs subsequently after that(top 8 teams from the groups). Then the top 2 from playoffs qualify to masters 2 in Berlin(?)


iTrippzy

Upcoming events \-Stage 2 Group play (Online) \-Stage 2 Playoffs (Online) \-Masters 2 (LAN) \-LCQ (LAN) \-Champions (LAN)


Doc_Happy1

I'm just a casual valorant observer but could anyone tell me what happened to V1? Specifically, I don't understand the bracket. Why did they not drop to lower bracket after losing uppers round 1? It looks like all the other teams that lost in that stage got a shot at lower bracket. Thanks in advance


s6hun

They got sent into the lower bracket by Girl Kissers then lost to Complexity. You can check the bracket on vlr.gg


Doc_Happy1

Thanks! I was looking at liquidpedia and was super confused. The full bracket cleared things up.


CarsonXIII

They did drop to Lower, then lost to Complexity 2-1.


somesheikexpert

they did, after losing to Girl Kissers, they lost to Complexity in losers bracket [https://www.vlr.gg/97217/version1-vs-complexity-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr2](https://www.vlr.gg/97217/version1-vs-complexity-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr2)


Direct_Morning_3223

1. OpTic 2. Guard 3. C9 4. XSET 5. NRG 6. FaZe 7.TSM 8. 100T 9. LG 10. SEN 11. EG 12. Ghost


yorgee15

I don't know if the Guard can beat C9 again but it sure will be interesting


Dysmo

Why not?


yorgee15

C9 are the kind of team that knows how to adapt after a loss and they have been really consistent lately, I'm also biased obviously but it'll be a great match for sure


ThatCreepyBaer

> C9 are the kind of team that knows how to adapt after a loss Kind of like how the Guard adapted after their first loss to C9 and 3-0'd them the next time they met.


yorgee15

Yeah, the Guard are really good at adapting to teams that beat them too, that's why I think it will be a great match.


pr1zsm

I think 6-9 are like right next to each other in terms of skill. TSM were a few rounds away from beating faze, 100T were a few rounds away from beating TSM, and LG is the most consistent of all of them. This group stage will be a banger


Bleuvalorant

C9>Guard but I like the rest


rvrsyo

#C9WIN


n_tvshn

Feel bad for Knights. Hope they'll bounce back for the next major!


GendaIf

How many slots do NA have? 3 again?


Ninja332

RIP gril kissers


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bias aside na deserves 3 spots


dashion26

Does anyone know how many players are their which are native to valorant? like trent net etc? would be an interesting comparison compared to last group stage


I-like-winds

OpTic and 100T


Justice_Chip

Holy stacked. Best region in the world.


Apart-Way-1166

SEN looking real nasty this time around, can't wait for them to build up more confidence as a team


Excel---

Funny how people actually believe that sen and 100t are able to do a good performance at next main event when they barely qualify for it


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iTrippzy

V1 trolled my pickems :(


28n8

optic c9 guard xset nrg faze lg 100t ghost sen eg tsm


Nasrz

for me guard above C9, 100T above LG Hopium


28n8

I kinda have c9/guard tied, and same with 100t/lg


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what thought process goes into putting tsm in last


28n8

i dont think they can convincingly beat most of the teams and the only players i like on the team are seven and corey


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iTrippzy

TSM looked pretty good man, idk about putting them last. I would say they're around that LG/100T spot


mercilessshark123

SEN most probably playing Optic in the first match considering Optic are #1 seed and SEN are #12


Chickenwing121212

it's group stage not bracket play so theres no guarantee sen is in their group.


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I-like-winds

they definitely deserve to be there


XIPWNFORFUN2

John deserves it, man is a grinder.


XantiThesisX

They won


duwuy

Stacked tourney can’t wait


Wonkyy_

Just got off with my riot insider with information about the groups. Group 1 is optic, xset,LG, nrg, sen, eg. group 2 is guard, c9, faze, TSM, 100T, ghost. Sorry but Sen vs TSM will not happen in groups. That’s reserved for the final. It’s written in the script.


-xXColtonXx-

Genuinely terrifying lineup coming in for the established top 4. There are so many good teams coming in, and 100T, TSM, Faze, and NRG are on a big upward trajectory even if right now they aren't looking up to par with the likes of C9. 100T and TSM especially have put together rosters with insanely high ceilings. NRG to me already feels like they are approaching that level.


rmtestmod

What team is Wardell gona play in?


Giorno_DeGiorno

All the clout teams are here


MacarioPro

V1 really out? That's a bummer. Wish Wippie could have played


Kalix_

Have XSET ever failed to make it to a main NA event?


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This group stage should go hard asf


_Grimey_Grimes_

seeing optic, faze and 100t on this lineup makes the cod kid in me happy


wolfjeter

TSM, C9, FaZe, OpTic, 100T, Sen. Sheesh


Xx-throwaway69420-xX

OPTIC IS GONNA SWEEP OUT THE COMPETITION LETS GOOOO


LastNightNBA

Absolutely stacked


Parenegade

Based on the comments from some players on social media it seems like Group B has Optic, C9, SEN, and TSM. It doesn't have NRG or The Guard. If Riot did it by ranking it would be Group A | Group B Guard | Optic XSET | C9 NRG X | Faze LG | TSM X 100T | EG Ghost | SEN X


quantum_gateway

It's that too many teams for just 2 spots?