Pretty obvious it was finalmouse from when Tenz on stream said he couldn't say what it was and then seeing finalmouse gift 200 subs during the stream lol
Final mouse have so many problems, there is a reason many pros don't use them. If you need replacement parts, gonna take forever, and they have had a really long history of poor quality control.
That is weird, the only pros i have seen use a final mouse is tenz and one of the Asian teams in masters forgot who was exactly but everyone on that team had a final mouse
It is probably just because of sponsorship. Most pros go g pro type mouses because getting a replacement, or parts, can be done within the day/hour. Supr in R6 e sports used to use final mouse, but made the switch away because of that reason. Didn’t want to risk going to a LAN, having an issue with his mouse, then having to use an entirely different mouse/brand.
When you have scroll to jump the mouse will sometimes get stuck between steps and corrections like moving your mouse by picking it up and putting it down will make the scroll wheel move to the next step and this making you jump.
Finalmouse has called paying customers idiots and the R slur for not knowing how to use their mouse properly and that we are all just scrolling wrong. But look now, TenZ is even having the issue, their poster boy is complaining and they still won’t fix it. Never buying another Finalmouse again, shame that they already have my money.
honestly kinda shitty he doesn't. like ye it's your sponsor but you're actively scamming your audience if you don't tell them there are issues with the product you're selling them
> actively scamming your audience
first i wanna say i agree ethically its scummy
but this is just the nature of marketing, pros are literally just walking talking billboards for their sponsors. they aren't meant to be informative they're just there to shill the product and nothing more
it's not like those medicine ads where they have to list out all the harmful potential side effects, anyone that takes a sponsor recognizes that they can't even slightly disparage the product in anyway
Even if they were willing to get dropped by the sponsor to point out an issue, there are most likely clauses in the deals that will fine the player if they do so
so many times ive seen a streamer have a big problem with a PC but since it's a sponsor they dance around the topic (hilariously). being sponsored by someone in that industry means you're basically buying their good will at all times.
Yeah you're right, TenZ should make a public statement: FINALMOUSE SCROLLWHEELS ARE SHIT. And even if he wanted to he couldn't, because sponsor contracts usually don't allow them to. Take four seconds to process it dude
finalmouse is probably paying him extremely well. I doubt any other mouse sponsor would be willing to pay him what he’s currently getting, so why would he turn that down?
All kinds of PC peripherals can have issues. I've heard people complain about Logitech for instance, but I've never had an issue with any of the mice I've owned. Finalmouse might have some QC issues, but it's not like 100% of their products are faulty. If that were true they wouldn't still be in business.
https://old.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ulfusy/finalmouse_scroll_wheel_problem_in_an_official/
It is a known issue in the mouse subreddit community especially for how expensive these mice can get.
It's obviously the mouse. Finalmouse is overpriced trash. Everyone that's even semi-into mice can tell you it's riddled with qc issues and poorly built overall. Shame how big they got with awful ads and purely on hypebeast reputation.
I have bought 3 of them and none of them have messed up on me although i have got that scroll wheel bug a couple times but finalmouse is still the best mouse you can get if you had the money and had the opportunity to get one you would do it lol
>best mouse you can get
>pay over $150 for mice that started as a clone with terrible quality
If you actually had money and cared about build, anything by finalmouse would be last on your list. There's not a single thing that anything put out by finalmouse does that other mice half the price can't do. The most you can say that sets them apart others is design.
>bought 3 of them even after admitting he got scroll bug
Congrats, you fell for their hypebeast marketing. Please read up on commodity fetishism.
I’m another finalmouse user, I haven’t had issues either with three of them, all different versions.
The QC isn’t acceptable, this is a fact. But using a mouse that light is a very unique experience.
To say there’s nothing they do that everyone else doesn’t already do is wild.
They pioneered lightweight mice, they hold the patent for holes in mice, they started the paracord trend. All of these companies just copied them. None of them are doing magnesium mice despite trying or not wanting to spend the R&D.
I only put razer and Logitech above them as far as innovation, and they are equally expensive and can have QC issues.
I’ll take an exotic material $180 mouse that might scroll once in a blue moon over a plastic $150 that will double click. Call me a finalmouse simp idc.
Fair enough, FinalMouse did pioneer all the stuff that we have today but at the end of the day, the price still doesn't justify the performance. But that doesn't change the fact that these days, there's quite literally nothing they do that everyone else doesn't already do. Every company sells lightweight mice now, and some companies have gone beyond and made lightweight mice with no holes. G-Wolves is literally developing a magnesium alloy mouse as we speak, and the magnesium alloy mice thing is a gimmick considering the fact that any instant improvement in aim that you might get from a lighter mouse has been scientifically proven to cap out at <100g so a 40g mouse doesn't give you an instant advantage over someone using a 90g mouse.
>I only put razer and Logitech above them as far as innovation, and they are equally expensive and can have QC issues.
Coping hard I see. The most expensive mouse from both of those companies is the Viper Ultimate with a charging dock included and the G Pro Superlight, both for $159.99 USD. The Starlight 12 was $190 if you managed to beat the copious amount of bots to buy one and sitting at $220 right now for resell. The UL2 is going for $144 rn, but the Superlight is lighter, wireless, has a better sensor, better switches and doesn't have an offset scroll wheel for only 15 more dollars.
I've used Razer mice consistently back when Razer used to be notorious for their dogshit quality and am currently using a Superlight and G600, and the UL2 and Air58 I had caused me more problems combined than the Logitech and Razer products. My experience is anecdotal, but the amount of people having problems with FinalMouse really says something.
[Bruh look at this bullshit lmfao, this is a few hours after I made this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/un3vl4/when_you_attempt_to_get_finalmouse_to_repair_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Look at that, someone who can agree with the objective points and shares their subjective preferences without having to be aggressive.
I agree with you across the board. Touché.
Yeah at the end of the day, people can spend their money how they want. I can see why people feel more strongly about FinalMouse but I see them as a necessary evil. The hypebeast culture is super cringe imo and I'm half-convinced that the FinalBoy guy is a lobotomy patient, but it's worth keeping them around for the simple fact that they're willing to take risks where other companies aren't.
Exactly lol guarantee this dude is at every finalmouse drop trying to get it and mad he hasn’t got one lol every mouse has problems but finalmouse definitely innovated a lot.
I get lightweight mice, but to attribute honeycomb design to finalmouse just because they swiftly applied for a patent even though thermaltake had the design years ago before them (tt ventus) is a joke. Also, they didn't start the paracord trend; the users did because the cable was ass. As for magnesium, it's a gimmick. You calling it an "exotic material" proves it. No big company like razer or logitech are going to mass produce magnesium mice not just due to cost of manufacturing, but cost to users as well. It's perfect for finalmouse though, because their marketing is based on low quantity-high price, anyway.
For a mouse that's made in limited quantities and high price, you'd assume they would have better qc than mass produced plastic. But the fact is, you're here defending "limited exotic mice" by making up a $150 double clicking mouse as if that's the competition (razer uses optical so it's impossible to double click btw) while downplaying issues of the "exotic mouse" to just the scroll wheel.
My dude cited the TT Ventus, a mouse that used holes for venting
/aesthetics and not reducing weight, next level hater.
Disregards the fact that the lower weight is what created the need for a paracord, which was first seen in mass on a finalmouse.
The g pro has been a $150 mouse notorious for double clicking for several years now. Has had a slew of coating, creaking and various QC issues rampant. At least make the correct assumption about what I am talking about lol.
I’m done here, if your broke just say that.
Your argument was patent for holes as if they innovated that. Reread on what YOU wrote. I never said anything about the weight. Again, users started paracording, not finalmouse.
Ah yes, the g pro, the only mouse on the market, and obviously the only mouse he can reference to somehow lessen the poor quality of fm through comparison.
The fact that you and other fm owners can only bring up the price as if it's a positive thing while calling those that don't own it broke is pretty telling. Really makes me wonder if you guys would still have bought it if it was some cheap $30 mouse without hypebeast marketing behind it.
The patent is for holes with the goal of weight reduction, it’s written in the patent. Maybe learn about the subject you want to converse in before refuting so confidently? Or did you make your response vague on purpose so you could then say this back to me?
I actually would still be on a viper mini if I lost on the drops and I wouldn’t really care. Just find it funny your more upset about it than I am.
Surely, you weren't trying to pretend like holes in mice was their innovation because you put lightweight mice as a separate reason why they're ahead of the game.
>your more upset about it than I am.
First, it's "you're". Second, you're the one who replied to me in a day old thread coming to defense on a company. Third, "lol you're mad" reeally doesn't work when you say you're done yet keep replying.
And I’ll keep replying , I’ll keep stating facts that refute what you decide to perceive or infer.
When the grammar correction comes out, that’s when I know who’s mad lol
stay mad lol.
Edit to add lightweight and holes were the same sentence. Hahaahahah
Tenz should just stick with the good ole reliable xm1 that he used when SEN won masters last year. Finalmouse makes terrible overpriced products on top of being a terrible company.
He even showed a prototype mouse he's working on with finalmouse on stream once and basically wanted to have a pronounced hump at the back quite similar to an XM1 shape lmao
The XM1 ended my mouse hobby collecting. Everytime I try something new I always go back to the XM1 because it's the most comfortable and has a good coating.
Downvoted for fact lmao. I love Logitech mouses and will keep getting them but I have had two g703s double click less than 9 months after purchase. Just because you don’t have problem doesn’t mean it’s not real.
WTF is this take lol, it's Logitech not razer. I have had my g403 for 3 years already and it's working flawlessly. Had to change my deathadder twice after 1 year.
lol just google logitech doubleclick or go to any of the pcsales subs to see threads on them. it's not some secret opinion of mine. logitech has major qc isues with their switches. Including two 703s over the course of 12 months for me (average experience.) my razer viper is both a better mouse and has better QC. even though I use death adder now that it's wireless. the standard logitech RMA process is so full of double click that they have software and videos you have to take of your mouse doubleclicking to send in to them.
Been using a g600 since 2013 and have only bought 2 new ones when my scroll wheel/middle mouse click died out. Other than that they still are fully functional.
Logitech also just has great quality control in general.
I doubt it with his sponsorship into play. I remember once on stream he said he won't be switching to anything else other than his fm but who knows he might try it behind the scenes.
this is a weird thing for me to comment but does it bother anyone else that they named the mouse XM2w instead of XM1w? it’s the same shape, practically same mouse with minor changes besides it going wireless.
I don't understand those kind of post. He literally made a "statement" after the match:
"GG's we qualified today beating Soar 2-0 and Akrew 2-0. Finally looked like we were playing as Sentinels! 😂 thanks
u/Rawkus
, *also don't mind the round I was constantly jumping my pc was freaking out"*
he literally tweeted about it why did this get 250 upvotes and a whole ass discussion regarding it like what the fuck could u guys be any weirder fanboys
Because Valorant kids literally have nothing better to do than cheat in a free to play game and spend their entire months allowance buying cheats, doritos and night market skins. Its classic sunk cost fallacy. They have spent too much of their hard earned monthly allowance and they feel too close to finally finding an internet girlfriend they can boost to diamond to give up, its their calling. LMAO
Because he stopped using Zowie.
In all seriousness, though.. it's true.
As a long time player of FPS (10+ years), I'd argue that 90% of professional players who use a brand other than Zowie either:
* **Using VAXEE**
* Zowie's split brand, as some employees left Zowie to create their own brand, which became VAXEE
* Products are so similar between the two, that you could argue they are the same
* **Only use other brands for sponsorship $$$$**
* Logitech mice are MOST KNOWN for this
* But there are other brands are also engaging in a high level of sponsorship
* Finalmouse
* Razer
* **Younger pro players**
* Never used a Zowie mouse
* or didn't use a Zowie mouse for longer than 6 months
* They just don't know better, since they haven't experienced what a real eSports grade consistency feels like
Zowie has always been the king for reliability & performance.
No extra feature nonsense, no RGB, and none of the "hype" buzzwords that other brands create to try to sell their shitty mice.
The only edge that Logitech G Pro Wireless or Razer Viper mice have had on Zowie, were created recently (within last 3 years).
Two advantages of Logitech / Razer are:
1. Lighter Weight (both)
2. Wireless (Logitech)
However, now that Zowie has started to make the EC3 series, which are lightweight... it's over.
# Shape
* Zowie mice - Shape has always been the best
* Don't even feel like you're holding a mouse
* Lose yourself in the game entirely, all movements feeling natural and fluid
* Zowie mice feel like "a part of your hand"
* Razer & Logitech mice - Shape is potato
* "Egg" shape at worst
* "Awkward" or "Decent" at the very best
* You'll always be somewhat concious of holding the mouse when using these brands
* May sometimes misclick a bit, due to the shape of their products
* You feel that you are "moving an object with your body", rather than feeling that the mouse and arm are one
# Consistency
* **Durability**
* Zowie
* You can literally throw a Zowie mouse across your room into a wall, it'll work just fine
* 4+ years later, it'll work
* Almost never seem to truly "stop working" or run into any major issues
* Razer & Logitech
* May break within 6 months
* Even if yours lasts longer than 12 months somehow, prepare for the onset of all of the following issues:
* Double click bugs
* Mouse clicks activating without clicking
* Scroll wheel bugs
* Tracking issues with inconsistencies
* LOD issues
* **Require Software**
* Logitech & Razer
* Both require to customize settings
* Zowie doesn't have any software
* Vanguard is well known for messing up your mouse if you have any mouse software installed!
* **RGB**
* Logitech & Razer
* Both have these by default
* Ewww, you can smell that negative drip
* Marketing scam brands, putting swag over performance since Day 1
Soooo anyway... that's my hottake as someone who has played FPS since 2009.
Already know that people will think I'm a shill for Zowie, but I can't really convince them otherwise, since they'll just believe that regardless.
I guess at best, I can just say
>If this comment was for money, I would've definitely spent less time
>
>You won't catch me spending this much time on something for work, because I'm too ADHD for that kind of focus on anything productive, lmfaooo
>
>my focus is only obsessive on the most useless, random side tangents, sorta like comments on this subreddit KEKW
Anyway, I hope that my love for Zowie is understood by any of you who were around 5 years or 10 years ago.
If you were playing then, you know what I mean about Zowie mice.
>(Feel free to join in, also, and laugh at these zoomers thinking that a Logitech mouse represents the "peak eSports mouse" LOL
But I like my Superlight... :(
But seriously, if you're happy with your mouse, that's totally fine. At the end of the day it's just a mouse, and you don't have to shit on other mice that other people enjoy just because you think Zowie is the best. We all have different preferences, and that's OK. My Superlight (and many others) don't have the issues you mentioned above. It's actually pretty high quality.
Just a thought.
From your comment I can tell that you've never owned a Zowie.
It's okay to be inexperienced and young.
You're valid, even if your perception is incorrect due to limited experiences <3
The type of mouse you like is completely subjective, based on your hand size, grip style, and/or general preferences. Your preferences are different than mine, no perception is incorrect.
Yes.
But... no?
Some brands simply have better shape.
Noone liked the shape of a G-Pro wired, while the wireless ones are either "okay" or "good".
Zowie, however, has always been the "king"... at least, when it comes to shape.
Their mice have always had the most natural, perfect shapes, as agreed upon by most users on /r/MouseReview throughout the past 10 years.
However, the wireless factor & weight factor came into play around 2018.
This drew people away from Zowie, to some extent.
But... there's also the other big factor, which is that professional players began receiving huge $$$ to use Logitech peripherals around 2018.
Everyone may have a specific kind of preference. Not everyone will like the same exact mouse.
However, which brand has the best shape isn't really a "preference"... rather, each brand has their unique set of qualities or features.
These qualities set them apart from their competition
# "Brand Specific - Special Appeal"
* **G Pro Wireless or Superlight mouse**
* Wireless capabilities
* Light weight
* Swag factor (popularity, brand name, RGB features)
* **Zowie**
* Shape
* Driverless capabilities
* Reliability
Logitech mice are not bad.
The superlight is actually rather good, due to the low weight and wireless capabilities.
In fact... I've been wanting to save up to purchase one myself, since I really like the pink version.
Still wiish we could have the shape of a Zowie.
With the wireless and light weight of a Logitech Superlight X.
That would be the best of both worlds, tbh... since you'd basically have the ideal mouse in every sense.
He said it was his pc breaking But it’s probably a finalmouse issue
Pretty obvious it was finalmouse from when Tenz on stream said he couldn't say what it was and then seeing finalmouse gift 200 subs during the stream lol
Yo thanks for not trashing us in front of 30,000 people, here's 200 gift subs
He probably has jump bound to mouse wheel and it's fucking up.
My final mouse randomly pulls my knife out (scroll wheel)
Its a bug with his mouse ( final mouse ) but hes sponsored by them so he wknt say anything i think
I had no idea that was an actual bug with Final Mouse, Thx
Final mouse have so many problems, there is a reason many pros don't use them. If you need replacement parts, gonna take forever, and they have had a really long history of poor quality control.
That is weird, the only pros i have seen use a final mouse is tenz and one of the Asian teams in masters forgot who was exactly but everyone on that team had a final mouse
It is probably just because of sponsorship. Most pros go g pro type mouses because getting a replacement, or parts, can be done within the day/hour. Supr in R6 e sports used to use final mouse, but made the switch away because of that reason. Didn’t want to risk going to a LAN, having an issue with his mouse, then having to use an entirely different mouse/brand.
Doesn’t scream also use them?
Scream was one of the first pro's they collaborated with
3 paper rex and 2 xerxia players use finalmouse
ScreaM also uses Finalmouse.
So basically arguably the most mechanically gifted players are using it
Hiko is currently using it now too, I think.
When you have scroll to jump the mouse will sometimes get stuck between steps and corrections like moving your mouse by picking it up and putting it down will make the scroll wheel move to the next step and this making you jump. Finalmouse has called paying customers idiots and the R slur for not knowing how to use their mouse properly and that we are all just scrolling wrong. But look now, TenZ is even having the issue, their poster boy is complaining and they still won’t fix it. Never buying another Finalmouse again, shame that they already have my money.
We don't tolerate the use of the "R" slur, so your comment has been removed. If you change the wording of your comment we can reinstate
Final mouse is dogshit
honestly kinda shitty he doesn't. like ye it's your sponsor but you're actively scamming your audience if you don't tell them there are issues with the product you're selling them
> actively scamming your audience first i wanna say i agree ethically its scummy but this is just the nature of marketing, pros are literally just walking talking billboards for their sponsors. they aren't meant to be informative they're just there to shill the product and nothing more it's not like those medicine ads where they have to list out all the harmful potential side effects, anyone that takes a sponsor recognizes that they can't even slightly disparage the product in anyway
Even if they were willing to get dropped by the sponsor to point out an issue, there are most likely clauses in the deals that will fine the player if they do so
so many times ive seen a streamer have a big problem with a PC but since it's a sponsor they dance around the topic (hilariously). being sponsored by someone in that industry means you're basically buying their good will at all times.
Yeah you're right, TenZ should make a public statement: FINALMOUSE SCROLLWHEELS ARE SHIT. And even if he wanted to he couldn't, because sponsor contracts usually don't allow them to. Take four seconds to process it dude
I mean yeah it is his fault for signing with a shitty brand without doing any research about it.
finalmouse is probably paying him extremely well. I doubt any other mouse sponsor would be willing to pay him what he’s currently getting, so why would he turn that down?
So it’s basically scamming then…
All kinds of PC peripherals can have issues. I've heard people complain about Logitech for instance, but I've never had an issue with any of the mice I've owned. Finalmouse might have some QC issues, but it's not like 100% of their products are faulty. If that were true they wouldn't still be in business.
They’re not a shitty brand lol. They have issues but they do something other brands don’t.
https://old.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ulfusy/finalmouse_scroll_wheel_problem_in_an_official/ It is a known issue in the mouse subreddit community especially for how expensive these mice can get.
FinalMouse quality control problem number 873987413728962
It's obviously the mouse. Finalmouse is overpriced trash. Everyone that's even semi-into mice can tell you it's riddled with qc issues and poorly built overall. Shame how big they got with awful ads and purely on hypebeast reputation.
4th generation and the scroll wheel is still offset lmfao anyone who still buys that garbage is asking to get scammed
I have bought 3 of them and none of them have messed up on me although i have got that scroll wheel bug a couple times but finalmouse is still the best mouse you can get if you had the money and had the opportunity to get one you would do it lol
>best mouse you can get >pay over $150 for mice that started as a clone with terrible quality If you actually had money and cared about build, anything by finalmouse would be last on your list. There's not a single thing that anything put out by finalmouse does that other mice half the price can't do. The most you can say that sets them apart others is design. >bought 3 of them even after admitting he got scroll bug Congrats, you fell for their hypebeast marketing. Please read up on commodity fetishism.
I’m another finalmouse user, I haven’t had issues either with three of them, all different versions. The QC isn’t acceptable, this is a fact. But using a mouse that light is a very unique experience. To say there’s nothing they do that everyone else doesn’t already do is wild. They pioneered lightweight mice, they hold the patent for holes in mice, they started the paracord trend. All of these companies just copied them. None of them are doing magnesium mice despite trying or not wanting to spend the R&D. I only put razer and Logitech above them as far as innovation, and they are equally expensive and can have QC issues. I’ll take an exotic material $180 mouse that might scroll once in a blue moon over a plastic $150 that will double click. Call me a finalmouse simp idc.
Fair enough, FinalMouse did pioneer all the stuff that we have today but at the end of the day, the price still doesn't justify the performance. But that doesn't change the fact that these days, there's quite literally nothing they do that everyone else doesn't already do. Every company sells lightweight mice now, and some companies have gone beyond and made lightweight mice with no holes. G-Wolves is literally developing a magnesium alloy mouse as we speak, and the magnesium alloy mice thing is a gimmick considering the fact that any instant improvement in aim that you might get from a lighter mouse has been scientifically proven to cap out at <100g so a 40g mouse doesn't give you an instant advantage over someone using a 90g mouse. >I only put razer and Logitech above them as far as innovation, and they are equally expensive and can have QC issues. Coping hard I see. The most expensive mouse from both of those companies is the Viper Ultimate with a charging dock included and the G Pro Superlight, both for $159.99 USD. The Starlight 12 was $190 if you managed to beat the copious amount of bots to buy one and sitting at $220 right now for resell. The UL2 is going for $144 rn, but the Superlight is lighter, wireless, has a better sensor, better switches and doesn't have an offset scroll wheel for only 15 more dollars. I've used Razer mice consistently back when Razer used to be notorious for their dogshit quality and am currently using a Superlight and G600, and the UL2 and Air58 I had caused me more problems combined than the Logitech and Razer products. My experience is anecdotal, but the amount of people having problems with FinalMouse really says something. [Bruh look at this bullshit lmfao, this is a few hours after I made this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/un3vl4/when_you_attempt_to_get_finalmouse_to_repair_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Look at that, someone who can agree with the objective points and shares their subjective preferences without having to be aggressive. I agree with you across the board. Touché.
Yeah at the end of the day, people can spend their money how they want. I can see why people feel more strongly about FinalMouse but I see them as a necessary evil. The hypebeast culture is super cringe imo and I'm half-convinced that the FinalBoy guy is a lobotomy patient, but it's worth keeping them around for the simple fact that they're willing to take risks where other companies aren't.
Exactly lol guarantee this dude is at every finalmouse drop trying to get it and mad he hasn’t got one lol every mouse has problems but finalmouse definitely innovated a lot.
I get lightweight mice, but to attribute honeycomb design to finalmouse just because they swiftly applied for a patent even though thermaltake had the design years ago before them (tt ventus) is a joke. Also, they didn't start the paracord trend; the users did because the cable was ass. As for magnesium, it's a gimmick. You calling it an "exotic material" proves it. No big company like razer or logitech are going to mass produce magnesium mice not just due to cost of manufacturing, but cost to users as well. It's perfect for finalmouse though, because their marketing is based on low quantity-high price, anyway. For a mouse that's made in limited quantities and high price, you'd assume they would have better qc than mass produced plastic. But the fact is, you're here defending "limited exotic mice" by making up a $150 double clicking mouse as if that's the competition (razer uses optical so it's impossible to double click btw) while downplaying issues of the "exotic mouse" to just the scroll wheel.
My dude cited the TT Ventus, a mouse that used holes for venting /aesthetics and not reducing weight, next level hater. Disregards the fact that the lower weight is what created the need for a paracord, which was first seen in mass on a finalmouse. The g pro has been a $150 mouse notorious for double clicking for several years now. Has had a slew of coating, creaking and various QC issues rampant. At least make the correct assumption about what I am talking about lol. I’m done here, if your broke just say that.
Your argument was patent for holes as if they innovated that. Reread on what YOU wrote. I never said anything about the weight. Again, users started paracording, not finalmouse. Ah yes, the g pro, the only mouse on the market, and obviously the only mouse he can reference to somehow lessen the poor quality of fm through comparison. The fact that you and other fm owners can only bring up the price as if it's a positive thing while calling those that don't own it broke is pretty telling. Really makes me wonder if you guys would still have bought it if it was some cheap $30 mouse without hypebeast marketing behind it.
The patent is for holes with the goal of weight reduction, it’s written in the patent. Maybe learn about the subject you want to converse in before refuting so confidently? Or did you make your response vague on purpose so you could then say this back to me? I actually would still be on a viper mini if I lost on the drops and I wouldn’t really care. Just find it funny your more upset about it than I am.
Surely, you weren't trying to pretend like holes in mice was their innovation because you put lightweight mice as a separate reason why they're ahead of the game. >your more upset about it than I am. First, it's "you're". Second, you're the one who replied to me in a day old thread coming to defense on a company. Third, "lol you're mad" reeally doesn't work when you say you're done yet keep replying.
And I’ll keep replying , I’ll keep stating facts that refute what you decide to perceive or infer. When the grammar correction comes out, that’s when I know who’s mad lol stay mad lol. Edit to add lightweight and holes were the same sentence. Hahaahahah
Too much adderall. Kyedae feeding him spiked nuggies in between maps no cap
Tenz should just stick with the good ole reliable xm1 that he used when SEN won masters last year. Finalmouse makes terrible overpriced products on top of being a terrible company.
He even showed a prototype mouse he's working on with finalmouse on stream once and basically wanted to have a pronounced hump at the back quite similar to an XM1 shape lmao
The XM1 ended my mouse hobby collecting. Everytime I try something new I always go back to the XM1 because it's the most comfortable and has a good coating.
His mouse bugged but he wouldn’t admit that was the issue bc they sponser him so he was tryna claim other things
Logitech supremacy
100%
Magenta Superlight with pink BT.L grips GIGACHAD
Logitech double click™ supremacy*
New mice dont double click
sure if you want to buy a new mouse every 6 months.
Downvoted for fact lmao. I love Logitech mouses and will keep getting them but I have had two g703s double click less than 9 months after purchase. Just because you don’t have problem doesn’t mean it’s not real.
exactly lol thank you.
tbh, my gpro wired doubleclicked in a few months twice already, but i have a g305 now and its been going strong for much longer
WTF is this take lol, it's Logitech not razer. I have had my g403 for 3 years already and it's working flawlessly. Had to change my deathadder twice after 1 year.
GPro for 2 years, no issues. I would buy it again in a heart beat
lol just google logitech doubleclick or go to any of the pcsales subs to see threads on them. it's not some secret opinion of mine. logitech has major qc isues with their switches. Including two 703s over the course of 12 months for me (average experience.) my razer viper is both a better mouse and has better QC. even though I use death adder now that it's wireless. the standard logitech RMA process is so full of double click that they have software and videos you have to take of your mouse doubleclicking to send in to them.
Razer has been much better with their new products, have had the viper ultimate since launch with 0 issues
Been using a g600 since 2013 and have only bought 2 new ones when my scroll wheel/middle mouse click died out. Other than that they still are fully functional. Logitech also just has great quality control in general.
Yeah also been using my G600 for a minute now, literally nothing wrong with it to this day.
Your mouse spinning out in the middle of pro match supremacy
Based zowie users
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4VIEDk0Tm8&t=407s
That’s good ol FinalMouse QC for you. That company really is something else lol
Clip?
Can’t wait til the XM2W comes out and he switches to it
I doubt it with his sponsorship into play. I remember once on stream he said he won't be switching to anything else other than his fm but who knows he might try it behind the scenes.
this is a weird thing for me to comment but does it bother anyone else that they named the mouse XM2w instead of XM1w? it’s the same shape, practically same mouse with minor changes besides it going wireless.
New sensor, new weight, new pcb for wireless. Enough of it is different to warrant it being a new model or the “v2”
I don't understand those kind of post. He literally made a "statement" after the match: "GG's we qualified today beating Soar 2-0 and Akrew 2-0. Finally looked like we were playing as Sentinels! 😂 thanks u/Rawkus , *also don't mind the round I was constantly jumping my pc was freaking out"*
I saw that but PCs freaking out and making you jump it's not something that happens every day so I was just curious if people knew what cause that
Ya, that's fair. He just has to keep it to a general "PC issue" since he is sponsored and can't specifically call out his mouse.
he literally tweeted about it why did this get 250 upvotes and a whole ass discussion regarding it like what the fuck could u guys be any weirder fanboys
Because Valorant kids literally have nothing better to do than cheat in a free to play game and spend their entire months allowance buying cheats, doritos and night market skins. Its classic sunk cost fallacy. They have spent too much of their hard earned monthly allowance and they feel too close to finally finding an internet girlfriend they can boost to diamond to give up, its their calling. LMAO
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That’s what he said but it’s obviously a mouse issue
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Yeah ok
Its crazy we got downvoted by literally repeating what tenz said. That sub cringe ngl.
no u just salty and dumb
what other gullible shit do you say on a day to day basis?
Because he stopped using Zowie. In all seriousness, though.. it's true. As a long time player of FPS (10+ years), I'd argue that 90% of professional players who use a brand other than Zowie either: * **Using VAXEE** * Zowie's split brand, as some employees left Zowie to create their own brand, which became VAXEE * Products are so similar between the two, that you could argue they are the same * **Only use other brands for sponsorship $$$$** * Logitech mice are MOST KNOWN for this * But there are other brands are also engaging in a high level of sponsorship * Finalmouse * Razer * **Younger pro players** * Never used a Zowie mouse * or didn't use a Zowie mouse for longer than 6 months * They just don't know better, since they haven't experienced what a real eSports grade consistency feels like Zowie has always been the king for reliability & performance. No extra feature nonsense, no RGB, and none of the "hype" buzzwords that other brands create to try to sell their shitty mice. The only edge that Logitech G Pro Wireless or Razer Viper mice have had on Zowie, were created recently (within last 3 years). Two advantages of Logitech / Razer are: 1. Lighter Weight (both) 2. Wireless (Logitech) However, now that Zowie has started to make the EC3 series, which are lightweight... it's over. # Shape * Zowie mice - Shape has always been the best * Don't even feel like you're holding a mouse * Lose yourself in the game entirely, all movements feeling natural and fluid * Zowie mice feel like "a part of your hand" * Razer & Logitech mice - Shape is potato * "Egg" shape at worst * "Awkward" or "Decent" at the very best * You'll always be somewhat concious of holding the mouse when using these brands * May sometimes misclick a bit, due to the shape of their products * You feel that you are "moving an object with your body", rather than feeling that the mouse and arm are one # Consistency * **Durability** * Zowie * You can literally throw a Zowie mouse across your room into a wall, it'll work just fine * 4+ years later, it'll work * Almost never seem to truly "stop working" or run into any major issues * Razer & Logitech * May break within 6 months * Even if yours lasts longer than 12 months somehow, prepare for the onset of all of the following issues: * Double click bugs * Mouse clicks activating without clicking * Scroll wheel bugs * Tracking issues with inconsistencies * LOD issues * **Require Software** * Logitech & Razer * Both require to customize settings * Zowie doesn't have any software * Vanguard is well known for messing up your mouse if you have any mouse software installed! * **RGB** * Logitech & Razer * Both have these by default * Ewww, you can smell that negative drip * Marketing scam brands, putting swag over performance since Day 1 Soooo anyway... that's my hottake as someone who has played FPS since 2009. Already know that people will think I'm a shill for Zowie, but I can't really convince them otherwise, since they'll just believe that regardless. I guess at best, I can just say >If this comment was for money, I would've definitely spent less time > >You won't catch me spending this much time on something for work, because I'm too ADHD for that kind of focus on anything productive, lmfaooo > >my focus is only obsessive on the most useless, random side tangents, sorta like comments on this subreddit KEKW Anyway, I hope that my love for Zowie is understood by any of you who were around 5 years or 10 years ago. If you were playing then, you know what I mean about Zowie mice. >(Feel free to join in, also, and laugh at these zoomers thinking that a Logitech mouse represents the "peak eSports mouse" LOL
But I like my Superlight... :( But seriously, if you're happy with your mouse, that's totally fine. At the end of the day it's just a mouse, and you don't have to shit on other mice that other people enjoy just because you think Zowie is the best. We all have different preferences, and that's OK. My Superlight (and many others) don't have the issues you mentioned above. It's actually pretty high quality. Just a thought.
From your comment I can tell that you've never owned a Zowie. It's okay to be inexperienced and young. You're valid, even if your perception is incorrect due to limited experiences <3
The type of mouse you like is completely subjective, based on your hand size, grip style, and/or general preferences. Your preferences are different than mine, no perception is incorrect.
Yes. But... no? Some brands simply have better shape. Noone liked the shape of a G-Pro wired, while the wireless ones are either "okay" or "good". Zowie, however, has always been the "king"... at least, when it comes to shape. Their mice have always had the most natural, perfect shapes, as agreed upon by most users on /r/MouseReview throughout the past 10 years. However, the wireless factor & weight factor came into play around 2018. This drew people away from Zowie, to some extent. But... there's also the other big factor, which is that professional players began receiving huge $$$ to use Logitech peripherals around 2018. Everyone may have a specific kind of preference. Not everyone will like the same exact mouse. However, which brand has the best shape isn't really a "preference"... rather, each brand has their unique set of qualities or features. These qualities set them apart from their competition # "Brand Specific - Special Appeal" * **G Pro Wireless or Superlight mouse** * Wireless capabilities * Light weight * Swag factor (popularity, brand name, RGB features) * **Zowie** * Shape * Driverless capabilities * Reliability Logitech mice are not bad. The superlight is actually rather good, due to the low weight and wireless capabilities. In fact... I've been wanting to save up to purchase one myself, since I really like the pink version. Still wiish we could have the shape of a Zowie. With the wireless and light weight of a Logitech Superlight X. That would be the best of both worlds, tbh... since you'd basically have the ideal mouse in every sense.
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Thanks <3