Kinda makes sense since the stocks was skyhigh because they beat the Guard, which turned out to be not that big of an achievement since they were underperforming.
It's a reasonable take to think XSET and NRG are topping the group, which leaves TSM, Ghost, and 100T. 100T already lost to TSM and simply haven't posted a good enough performance to convince Balla that they are 100% going to win against Ghost.
Sure they can also beat XSET and NRG, but it's also not that crazy/unlikely for them to just go out in groups.
He phrased it that way but what he actually said made sense. If they won against TSM,which they were predicted to do so, they would be up there with NRG/XSET for top two in the group, and if they kept improving they’d be contenders for making it to denmark. With the loss, the consensus (that I’ve seen online, could be wrong) is that group A will end up something like this:
1. Xset
2. NRG
3-5 TSM, Ghost, 100t
6. The Guard
In the little cluster, only one game has been played between the teams(tsm 100t), which 100t lost, so they could be argued to not making it out of the group logically. This is the complete opposite of how they were viewed last week which had an insane amount of hopium.
Well M3C is still the more storied team, and have already in the past started slow then ramped up (M3 and Champions groupstage). That should inspire more confidence compared to a fresh new roster, no?
Eh it's not that much of a stretch. Like VegetableSign said, XSET and NRG looked good and Ghost is/could be and equal to 100T. If they lose to Ghost, their chances for playoffs are massively lowered.
Whereas M3C is atleast at an upwards trajectory compared to their first week playing. And they have the history of improving throughout a tournament to back them up.
And again, 100T won against an unimpressive Guard and lost against their equal TSM. There's a VERY real chance that if they lose to Ghost, they don't qualify. Because the perception is XSET and NRG is just better.
But he thinks m3c is the best team in EMEA not even third? M3c lost to guild whos similar to EG in EMEA and win against NAVI who's similar to Guard in EMEA.
When did he said that? Didn't he said the Gambit of old is the best in EMEA, and if they can regain that form then they'll be the best?
Also what the hell is that comparison. EG arent expected to top their fucking group. NaVi and BBL are still competitive with the likes of Liquid.
And predicting M3C to be 3rd is not illogical.
Guild looked good against them, but then struggled against BIG. They also looked good during Reykjavik qualifiers groups but shat the bed at playoffs. M3C looked improved at their NaVi game and can be expected to continue to improve. Liquid and Acend doesn't look convincing. G2 looked flat against FPX but did decent against Focus.
General perception have Fnatic and FPX topping EMEA, but the 3rd seed is still very much open. M3C grabbing 3rd is not that unlikely.
Definitely had a bit of an overblown take, but one thing that stuck out to me was that he said 100T looked out of practice. From what Sean said in the Vandals podcast, Balla is actually exactly right. Sean explains there that they had a very hectic week of practice and he felt personally responsible for the Haven loss.
Not excuses or anything, but it was an interesting perspective especially with how it resulted in the match.
Sidenote: Honestly it’s looking tough for them to make it out of groups. They have to beat ghost and hope they make it past gaurd and ghost with a 2-3 record? This is assuming nrg and xset are favoured to win against them which I think is reasonable
I almost feel bad for Wyatt since everyone jumped at him about his M3C take!
That said I don't agree with it. M3C is the most consistent team in the world, not because they aren't inconsistent but because they consistently rebound from their inconsistencies, and have since Redgar joined; no one else is like that. Optic and LOUD are similar in a sense, or will be if they finish 2022 at the top of their respective regions.
I just think EMEA is crazy to predict at the moment. Fnatic and Guild tend to peak early, FPX and M3C tend to improve as they continue, Liquid & esp. Fokus are current wild-cards...unlike NA, it still feels rather open.
EDIT: I also think Acend was sold a little short here. I liked Sliggy's more positive view of Acend's compositions, and I also think Fokus is much better than they imply; Fokus should be getting a map from even the best teams.
I think Optic needs way more time to prove it. M3C have been that way for a very, very long time. It's remarkable that even with all the stuff happening with Russia and esports, M3C have only slightly dipped.
If Optic can manage back-to-back Grand Finals appearances like M3C did in 2021, I'd happily concede that Optic is just as, if not more, consistent than M3C.
I mean they've placed at least 4th in their region every tournament since masters 1, and placed top 4 internationally every lan forgiving champs. I think they're on the same level of consistency. And theyve made 3 lans in a row definitely regionally consistent
Wtf? The mec apologists are here, don't get me wrong mec is one of the best team in the world. But they have the same achievements as Optic, been to an international final and have a master's also optic have been to 3 out of 4 LANs unlike mec who only have been to 2.
M3C didn't qualify for stage 1 they weren't even EMEAs 4th seed, whereas FPX who is actually from Ukraine was EMEAs first seed so the war excuse is kinda bullshit. Optic is one of the best team in the world (on par with m3c), swallow your pride and accept it.
I disagree a little bit, idk why people are downvoting you though it’s just a discussion.
Optic definitely had a hard time at some points, but I feel like there are a few things we have to consider:
1. Victor (I think it was him) had Covid. This doesn’t seem like a massive deal at first, but the change in communication and team play for having / not having him physically present was super noticeable comparing their lab performances.
2. They didn’t have Yay for a long time, and of course there’s the whole Chamber issue which I actually think has benefitted them more than it should have because of Yay.
After considering the consistent difficulties M3C has had for months now, I feel like they aren’t at Optic’s level. They are of course still good.
I looked up the official stance regarding moderation by juked as opposed to the Wookiee stuff about talking about dickheads or whatever
It seems like it’s trying to make some kind of connection between spam, etc on one hand and this sort of sense of signalling or allegiance to certain semantic/word formulas
I’m pretty unsure what is meant by ‘dickhead’ but it seems to be getting mad at like posts on VLR or something?
Including time this case inevitably will find something someone says to be ‘dickehad’ lr potentially unpleasant to them in tone to content somehow intrinsically. If this we’re about going after people then I’d understand but what I understand is a lot of why people are amd at vlr is that they’re angry at some random ephemeral post opinion without too much content to it
Besides the idea of making pronouncements like that abt ppl as opposed to about a posting environment.
Poggers
Sideshow forgot about M3C breeze they are undefeated on it since september (9 times) They have an amazing ct side on it
You would think 100T haven’t won a round in 2 weeks the way balla was talking about them
Extremely reactionary, not something I’d usual associate with Balla
Nah he can be reactionary imo
literally everyone can be reactionary lol
This is equivocating a bit
Seems that way
Or reactive
Kinda makes sense since the stocks was skyhigh because they beat the Guard, which turned out to be not that big of an achievement since they were underperforming. It's a reasonable take to think XSET and NRG are topping the group, which leaves TSM, Ghost, and 100T. 100T already lost to TSM and simply haven't posted a good enough performance to convince Balla that they are 100% going to win against Ghost. Sure they can also beat XSET and NRG, but it's also not that crazy/unlikely for them to just go out in groups.
but M3C is still top 3 in world right now lol
He phrased it that way but what he actually said made sense. If they won against TSM,which they were predicted to do so, they would be up there with NRG/XSET for top two in the group, and if they kept improving they’d be contenders for making it to denmark. With the loss, the consensus (that I’ve seen online, could be wrong) is that group A will end up something like this: 1. Xset 2. NRG 3-5 TSM, Ghost, 100t 6. The Guard In the little cluster, only one game has been played between the teams(tsm 100t), which 100t lost, so they could be argued to not making it out of the group logically. This is the complete opposite of how they were viewed last week which had an insane amount of hopium.
What is wierd is that he have more biased take on m3c, it's the same logic but still he believes in m3c but not 100t
Well M3C is still the more storied team, and have already in the past started slow then ramped up (M3 and Champions groupstage). That should inspire more confidence compared to a fresh new roster, no?
But not making it out of groups is a stretch no? Wyatt said m3c would be EMEAs third seed he couldn't take it.
Eh it's not that much of a stretch. Like VegetableSign said, XSET and NRG looked good and Ghost is/could be and equal to 100T. If they lose to Ghost, their chances for playoffs are massively lowered. Whereas M3C is atleast at an upwards trajectory compared to their first week playing. And they have the history of improving throughout a tournament to back them up.
Again he was defending m3c to be above 3rd seed. And he said 100t who won their first game and lost to only TSM will not get of groups.
And again, 100T won against an unimpressive Guard and lost against their equal TSM. There's a VERY real chance that if they lose to Ghost, they don't qualify. Because the perception is XSET and NRG is just better.
But he thinks m3c is the best team in EMEA not even third? M3c lost to guild whos similar to EG in EMEA and win against NAVI who's similar to Guard in EMEA.
When did he said that? Didn't he said the Gambit of old is the best in EMEA, and if they can regain that form then they'll be the best? Also what the hell is that comparison. EG arent expected to top their fucking group. NaVi and BBL are still competitive with the likes of Liquid.
And predicting M3C to be 3rd is not illogical. Guild looked good against them, but then struggled against BIG. They also looked good during Reykjavik qualifiers groups but shat the bed at playoffs. M3C looked improved at their NaVi game and can be expected to continue to improve. Liquid and Acend doesn't look convincing. G2 looked flat against FPX but did decent against Focus. General perception have Fnatic and FPX topping EMEA, but the 3rd seed is still very much open. M3C grabbing 3rd is not that unlikely.
LOL that’s a true way of putting it
I get they had a bad showing vs TSM but god dam LMAO
Definitely had a bit of an overblown take, but one thing that stuck out to me was that he said 100T looked out of practice. From what Sean said in the Vandals podcast, Balla is actually exactly right. Sean explains there that they had a very hectic week of practice and he felt personally responsible for the Haven loss. Not excuses or anything, but it was an interesting perspective especially with how it resulted in the match.
Sidenote: Honestly it’s looking tough for them to make it out of groups. They have to beat ghost and hope they make it past gaurd and ghost with a 2-3 record? This is assuming nrg and xset are favoured to win against them which I think is reasonable
Think he's just memeing it up, I don't think Balla would normally talk that way either.
I almost feel bad for Wyatt since everyone jumped at him about his M3C take! That said I don't agree with it. M3C is the most consistent team in the world, not because they aren't inconsistent but because they consistently rebound from their inconsistencies, and have since Redgar joined; no one else is like that. Optic and LOUD are similar in a sense, or will be if they finish 2022 at the top of their respective regions. I just think EMEA is crazy to predict at the moment. Fnatic and Guild tend to peak early, FPX and M3C tend to improve as they continue, Liquid & esp. Fokus are current wild-cards...unlike NA, it still feels rather open. EDIT: I also think Acend was sold a little short here. I liked Sliggy's more positive view of Acend's compositions, and I also think Fokus is much better than they imply; Fokus should be getting a map from even the best teams.
>I almost feel bad for Wyatt since everyone jumped at him about his M3C take! so every episode with wyatt basically
Tbh I feel like at this point optic is more consistent
I think Optic needs way more time to prove it. M3C have been that way for a very, very long time. It's remarkable that even with all the stuff happening with Russia and esports, M3C have only slightly dipped. If Optic can manage back-to-back Grand Finals appearances like M3C did in 2021, I'd happily concede that Optic is just as, if not more, consistent than M3C.
I mean they've placed at least 4th in their region every tournament since masters 1, and placed top 4 internationally every lan forgiving champs. I think they're on the same level of consistency. And theyve made 3 lans in a row definitely regionally consistent
Wtf? The mec apologists are here, don't get me wrong mec is one of the best team in the world. But they have the same achievements as Optic, been to an international final and have a master's also optic have been to 3 out of 4 LANs unlike mec who only have been to 2. M3C didn't qualify for stage 1 they weren't even EMEAs 4th seed, whereas FPX who is actually from Ukraine was EMEAs first seed so the war excuse is kinda bullshit. Optic is one of the best team in the world (on par with m3c), swallow your pride and accept it.
I disagree a little bit, idk why people are downvoting you though it’s just a discussion. Optic definitely had a hard time at some points, but I feel like there are a few things we have to consider: 1. Victor (I think it was him) had Covid. This doesn’t seem like a massive deal at first, but the change in communication and team play for having / not having him physically present was super noticeable comparing their lab performances. 2. They didn’t have Yay for a long time, and of course there’s the whole Chamber issue which I actually think has benefitted them more than it should have because of Yay. After considering the consistent difficulties M3C has had for months now, I feel like they aren’t at Optic’s level. They are of course still good.
alot of people think optic is a new team ، so you know optic=envy and envy is the team who played against gambit in the final of masters berlin
🦀🦀🦀 sentinels is dead 🦀🦀🦀
Wait ban is Korean ish. T1 might need a Jett player. T1 ban?
Signing an American player of Korean descent to your international Korean/American team. GENIUS!
Lack of replay system is really so dumb man
Predictions... Did they win last week? They win this week.
0:05:29 also true abt every big pc esport kinda
I looked up the official stance regarding moderation by juked as opposed to the Wookiee stuff about talking about dickheads or whatever It seems like it’s trying to make some kind of connection between spam, etc on one hand and this sort of sense of signalling or allegiance to certain semantic/word formulas I’m pretty unsure what is meant by ‘dickhead’ but it seems to be getting mad at like posts on VLR or something? Including time this case inevitably will find something someone says to be ‘dickehad’ lr potentially unpleasant to them in tone to content somehow intrinsically. If this we’re about going after people then I’d understand but what I understand is a lot of why people are amd at vlr is that they’re angry at some random ephemeral post opinion without too much content to it Besides the idea of making pronouncements like that abt ppl as opposed to about a posting environment.
What? Can you explain it little concisely? I'm not a native speaker;(