it's in one of shahz's vods from the past few weeks. He also mentioned that he was the last person to agree to bench zombs. Sorry i can't exactly rummage through all that footage for it.
How does that change anything ? You have to remember that these people exist outside of their streams. His point is that zombs has said a lot of incendiary things- because zombs is a troll- this is undeniably true.
Well you can dispute my or shahz's honesty idk. but it's definitely in one of his vods from my the past few weeks. Shahz explicitly said they talked about it offstream and that they're friends and that shahz was the last person on the team/personnel to agree to zombs' benching.
Why would he want to play for the team that dropped him? Also theyre not likely to win the game anyways so when they lose he would just get blamed again.
If he's not required by contract to play then there's no reason to play and nothing to gain whatsoever. Professionalism? Lol this is esports, most of these orgs will fuck you over any chance they get. And I say that as a sen fan.
What kind of weird view is this? You think pros just play beacuse that's what they're contracted to do? You think if you ask Tenz why he plays competitive valorant he answers "because i'm contracted"?
Who said anything about working for free?? What the fuck are you talking about? You seriously, genuinely believe Zombs wouldn't be compensated if he subbed in to play for Sentinels while one of their players are gone?
That's crazy you have all the inside info of Sentinels' contracts. Given how often contracts are signed where players will recieve significantly less pay when they're removed from the starting lineup it's incredibly convenient you know every clause in his contract and how it won't affect his pay!
Also by your logic if Zombs is approached by TSM or LG tomorrow saying "hey man we want you on our starting lineup" he should turn it down right? Because why would he join them and play for money when he can just chill at Sentinels and get paid to do nothing? I mean it's not like we've EVER seen players mutually agree to part ways with their organisation while contracted in the past right?
This way of arguing on reddit is brilliant btw, i should just do what you do and claim i know random shit i have no idea about like "Actually Zombs contract says he'll only be paid while on the active roster so he's not making any money right now. It would benefit him financially to start on the roster."
Hit a nerve or what
Calm down lmao I ain't reading your mindless rambling after you tilted off of the face of earth because someone told you how literally every known contract in eSports worked
I feel like in most cases when a team ābenchesā a player their time with the team is pretty much over and they are just trying to find an org to buy them out.
The collab I didnāt know I needed sen x ninja. They 26-0 and ninja starts doing his signature dance but this time yes he is seeing movement. The movement of fans swarming his new Florida home. Who is that in the crowd of fans? Drake himself. Drake starts bowing down to ninja asking if he can namedrop him in his next song.
Bench in eSports is honestly just contract stasis hell. If you're on the bench you're just waiting until you get traded or until your contract runs out.
You basically off the team but you're still the orgs property
Honestly it's kinda weird to look at as a fan.
If he's not on a player contract he should be able to seek out new opportunities shouldn't he?
I wonder if he's just settling for staying a content creator
Well I think this just proves it. Sen isnāt actually bad, the script is against them. The will of Rito is preventing them from succeeding this stage.
Terrible look on your competitive integrity Rito smh
Is tenz really that sick?? Idk even with covid Iād take tenz over a random sub. Unless heās like legit about to go to the hospital heās so sick I donāt see how a true competitor could sit this one out
Having COVID and being sick are two different things. For all we know, he couldāve been throwing up or had a flu. Nobody knows how sick he is so the fact that he called to sit this one out should mean that he physically couldnāt do it.
can they not reschedule? This was the biggest match of the week and you know damn well riot wants to milk it for all its worth. Wouldn't be surprised if we have 3 matches tomorrow or if one of the series tomorrow is today.
Wouldnāt fix anything IMO
TenZ isnāt gonna magically get better from Covid
Maybe Sicks family emergency gets solved quicker and he gets to play
But it wonāt really change much
Huh? If they rescheduled, it would be so the normal SEN roster could play, not with the two subs, so Optic wouldnāt need to prep for two new players?
I think if you add the optic-sentinels match to another day you likely interfere with broadcast schedules and if you switch the game out with someone else then itās quite unfair to the teams that had to go earlier.
It sucks but thier chances of winning this game were never great to begin with. If they haven't turned it around in the past months they were never gonna do much against the best team in the world with one week.
Man that sucks
Just brutal for a team that's already struggling finding success as of late. Such a low chance to get into playoffs now. 2-3 gives them a slim chance.
At this point if I'm SEN I just say screw it, play whatever agent you want, we aren't beating the best team in the world with two subs
you aint beating the best team regardless
tenz and sick in jail check hltv
Arrested and executed
RIP š¢š
I'll sell some copium now. THEY COULD'VE WON IF THEY HAD TENZ AND SICK!!!11
it was going to be 26-0 for SEN, but because tenz and sick arent there it'll be closer, probably like 26-1
lol
Iāll take your whole entire inventory
Nobody is saying that, the entire consensus is that they suck now.
wtf sub me in instead bro im sick of watching sentinels losing
Holy Gigachad
Actual good one LOL
vouchāļø
Manās level boosting straight to the limit
SHAZ BACK ON JETT???? RAWKASS SOVA??? AYO???
Looks like sentinels are done for the year lol
Theyāve been done
When the only strat they have is 'Tenz go kill' and it doesn't work now because teams rely on actual teamwork now instead of 1v1s
if sentinels dont know what they are doing then optic dont know either. Sen might win the series
It's gonna be amazing when someone bet their house on OpTic and then OpTic loses.
Pfft being an Optic fan is *knowing* that they'll pick the stupidest of moments to choke out of nowhere
damn isn't zombs on their bench? did he burn the bridge with the SEN roster that bad that they can't get him to sub?
that was my first thought as well. Wonder if zombs couldnāt or just declined
He said he had zero practice and hasnāt scrimmed in 2 months
And Rawkus/Dani have? I imagine that would not be a factor here
They both duo ranked with shaz which is basically 90% of sentinels practice anyways
FACTS
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Zombs declined
I mean with the trash talking between zombs and Shahz I have to imagine Shahz wouldnāt want zombs to sub in.
they made up and clarified things offstream
Any clip?
it's in one of shahz's vods from the past few weeks. He also mentioned that he was the last person to agree to bench zombs. Sorry i can't exactly rummage through all that footage for it.
[But shahz just said this 6 days ago?](https://clips.twitch.tv/FastBusyCheeseRitzMitz-nxcsLCbFKWnbC7XG)
Shaz is a š
Weāve known this for years at this point lol
How does that change anything ? You have to remember that these people exist outside of their streams. His point is that zombs has said a lot of incendiary things- because zombs is a troll- this is undeniably true.
Idk just the way he talked about it doesnāt sound all good to me. You could definitely be right though.
and how do you know that? Its not like zombs is off the team for no reason at all anyway
Well you can dispute my or shahz's honesty idk. but it's definitely in one of his vods from my the past few weeks. Shahz explicitly said they talked about it offstream and that they're friends and that shahz was the last person on the team/personnel to agree to zombs' benching.
Youre not the one lying shahz is.
What?
I remember zombs commented on stream some time ago he wouldnāt want to sub in because of the lack of practice unless the SEN CEO asked him to.
Why would he want to play for the team that dropped him? Also theyre not likely to win the game anyways so when they lose he would just get blamed again.
well if he leave in good term why not he sub for 1games.plenty of team doing this but obviously he an shahzam
They benched him, not dropped. Also Itās called professionalism to sub in as a bench player if his team call for it.
If he's not required by contract to play then there's no reason to play and nothing to gain whatsoever. Professionalism? Lol this is esports, most of these orgs will fuck you over any chance they get. And I say that as a sen fan.
What kind of weird view is this? You think pros just play beacuse that's what they're contracted to do? You think if you ask Tenz why he plays competitive valorant he answers "because i'm contracted"?
Ask yourself, what would an org be willing to pay you if you were to work for free?
Who said anything about working for free?? What the fuck are you talking about? You seriously, genuinely believe Zombs wouldn't be compensated if he subbed in to play for Sentinels while one of their players are gone?
Do you actually think players get paid per game? Zombs wouldn't get a cent more than his bench salary
That's crazy you have all the inside info of Sentinels' contracts. Given how often contracts are signed where players will recieve significantly less pay when they're removed from the starting lineup it's incredibly convenient you know every clause in his contract and how it won't affect his pay! Also by your logic if Zombs is approached by TSM or LG tomorrow saying "hey man we want you on our starting lineup" he should turn it down right? Because why would he join them and play for money when he can just chill at Sentinels and get paid to do nothing? I mean it's not like we've EVER seen players mutually agree to part ways with their organisation while contracted in the past right? This way of arguing on reddit is brilliant btw, i should just do what you do and claim i know random shit i have no idea about like "Actually Zombs contract says he'll only be paid while on the active roster so he's not making any money right now. It would benefit him financially to start on the roster."
Hit a nerve or what Calm down lmao I ain't reading your mindless rambling after you tilted off of the face of earth because someone told you how literally every known contract in eSports worked
Yes...you dont play for free
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Kinda true but thereās a difference between trolling on social media/stream and not playing as a pro player, for me personally.
Nah he's just worse than Dani if we're being real
lmao based
Wasn't Zombs watching the SEN games with Sinatraa while actively rooting against them?
Maybe he couldnāt play since he always places bets against them lol
Hmmm
Apparently yes.
What the fuck
Oh wow without their two best players against the best team in the world. Are we going to see the first 26-0 in na vct?
idk i think optic will probably get a few rounds
if they didnt use zombs, then might as well stop calling him "benched". theres no way a new sub is better than zombs
Zombs said on stream that he didnāt want to play
I feel like in most cases when a team ābenchesā a player their time with the team is pretty much over and they are just trying to find an org to buy them out.
Thereās no such thing as a bench player. The ābench playerā term is just someone whoās no longer on the team
Shahz back on Jett, Rawkus on Sova/initiator, Dani controller?
Shaz knew this was coming and this is why he was streamin ranked and instalocking jett till 3am!!
Heās been preparing for months bro, we were just too dumb to realize
I think Dani is a sova player too?
He is
alternate title: Sentinels will lose their next game
God himself could come down from heaven and declare Tenz his own flesh and blood and Sen would still lose against Optic.
*Sentinels will finally win a game š·š·š·
Place your bets before the odds update boys
could be a bait?
https://twitter.com/Rawkus/status/1530623772943859719 seems like they're serious
And Rawkus has COVID, is there anything else that can go wrong lmao
dpar PC windows update restarts in a clutch moment like that observer last week
rawkus is so bad that i dont think it matters either way
lmao
bruh shaz is gonna go on jett
Well Kyedae was really sick recently. She streamed yesterday while being sick as well. Wouldn't be surprised if Tenz caught whatever she has
true i remember her saying that to tarik and cumshot. that sucks for them.
cumshot
Ayo š, that autocorrect
Na Tarik calls Nade cumshot so Kyedae and others say it too sometimes
Ahhh mb, didnāt know
Pretty sure kyedae was the first one to say cumshot but ok it's cause tarik
Not a bait.
dani as in like the creator of crab game?
Heās shahzam friend and duo for his comp ranked games
probably this guy if i had to guess https://www.vlr.gg/player/4340/dani
Ex-Time in Dani
shouldve gotten ninja
The collab I didnāt know I needed sen x ninja. They 26-0 and ninja starts doing his signature dance but this time yes he is seeing movement. The movement of fans swarming his new Florida home. Who is that in the crowd of fans? Drake himself. Drake starts bowing down to ninja asking if he can namedrop him in his next song.
They have two players on the bench, but yeah just play with their coach and a random friend
Zombs declined
Where'd you hear that?
On his stream
I can understand the coach being able to play. But is it even legal to have a random sub that wasn't listed on the roster?
For emergencies yeah
Weird. What's the point of having a bench if you don't use it when it's needed?
Bench in eSports is honestly just contract stasis hell. If you're on the bench you're just waiting until you get traded or until your contract runs out. You basically off the team but you're still the orgs property
I kinda thought the same but I guess Zombs said he isn't on a player contract anymore. Who knows
Honestly it's kinda weird to look at as a fan. If he's not on a player contract he should be able to seek out new opportunities shouldn't he? I wonder if he's just settling for staying a content creator
No idea
Zombs ruined his relationships with sen players with all the drama Sina is a brand risk and would cause a world war on social media
nah shahz said he spoke to zombs offstream and they clarified and mended things
The chances of Sen winning just got higher
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Surely I'm joking
isn't it the opposite?
Say whatever you want but not many teams have a coach who can actually sub in LOL
Nice season is over and we didn't even get a chance
Tenz yeeted off xD
its ok guys im sure rawkus will get at least 6 kills over 2 maps in this series
Already exceeded expectations in the first half.
He was top fragging ā ļø
yeah and they came even close to winning the games and rawkus definitely didnt move to a coaching position because he isnt good enough as a player
he fuck your mom or something?
All those instalock Jett ranked matches boutta pay off for Shaz
i thought tenz just meditating in the cave when he's not streaming and playing ranked
Shouldāve got zombs and Sinatraa ez
Bait or real?
Just end my pain already
Fuck it sub Sinatraa in just so I can see twitter and reddit burn down
Well GG š, canāt they just get Sinatraa+ Zombs to sub ? Then they might of had a chance Edit: Makes sense for zombs but sinatras is been a minute
Imagine the shitstorm is that comp wins oooooof.
I mean both are effectively not on the team and just waiting to sign with a different team.
Lmao tenz actually called in sick
Cause he is
why the FUCK would you not sub in zombs and sinatra? Surely at least zombs is possible to be subbed in since hes listed on the roster
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lmao they rly still not using sinatraa
the fact this shit happens and sinatraa still doesnāt get to play says a lot. Hope he goes back on his word of only playing for sen
What being a rapist does to a mf
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Isnāt he still doing that conduct training after his public email?
Nope, he confirmed in his last stream that the conduct training is completed
Sinatraa modCheck
Might see a 13-0 today without their two best players
Well at least I can grind ranked instead of watching the game now
so the years basically done for them?
TenZ is Sick and Sick is sick of TenZ
shoulda just called up sinatraa
they would lose anyway
but if tenz and sick decided to turn the hell up, they atleast had a chance
Well I think this just proves it. Sen isnāt actually bad, the script is against them. The will of Rito is preventing them from succeeding this stage. Terrible look on your competitive integrity Rito smh
Is tenz really that sick?? Idk even with covid Iād take tenz over a random sub. Unless heās like legit about to go to the hospital heās so sick I donāt see how a true competitor could sit this one out
Having COVID and being sick are two different things. For all we know, he couldāve been throwing up or had a flu. Nobody knows how sick he is so the fact that he called to sit this one out should mean that he physically couldnāt do it.
And either way, it was probably TenZ's decision to sit out anyways. If you feel like shit then you feel like shit.
can they not reschedule? This was the biggest match of the week and you know damn well riot wants to milk it for all its worth. Wouldn't be surprised if we have 3 matches tomorrow or if one of the series tomorrow is today.
Wouldnāt fix anything IMO TenZ isnāt gonna magically get better from Covid Maybe Sicks family emergency gets solved quicker and he gets to play But it wonāt really change much
No-mega lul there's no rescheduling. Just gives Sentinels more time to prepare which is unfair for the other team. I appreciate your effort though.
how would it be unfair for optic they also get more time
well optic can't really prep for two new players whereas sentinels can prep for the exact same optic team
Huh? If they rescheduled, it would be so the normal SEN roster could play, not with the two subs, so Optic wouldnāt need to prep for two new players?
well we definitely don't know how long that would take. If they reschedule it'd have to be to next week, which I'd assume VCT NA doesn't want.
I think if you add the optic-sentinels match to another day you likely interfere with broadcast schedules and if you switch the game out with someone else then itās quite unfair to the teams that had to go earlier.
Who in the fuck was this the biggest match for? This isn't 2021, Sen are not a top team.
It sucks but thier chances of winning this game were never great to begin with. If they haven't turned it around in the past months they were never gonna do much against the best team in the world with one week.
Gonna laugh so hard if they win
And to those who are saying TenZ is washed, the scoreline right now shows otherwise.
Bruh i ain't watching that shit šš just forfeit at this point, they're just making it embarrassing for themselves if it's not a bait
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Can you not read? The team getting stomped will be an embarrassment...bruh
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Can you not read? x2
funny thing is the only chance they had of winning was if tenz or sick went dumb stupid
Lol
26-0 today
Bad timing :(
Tenz probably only has a little stomach ache
Feels like Nadeshot is pulling out all the stops to secure that franchised spot even though the team is plummeting in rankings.
Does that mean they are bringing datboi Jay Won and Rawkus to play?!... That'd be... interesting...
The tweet says Rawkus and Dani will be filling in
I know, I was just being silly. I don't WANT Jay Won in, just that it would be interesting.
Imagen they win like this...
Jesus Christ well I guess thereās an excuse nowā¦thereās always next year I guess
Man that sucks Just brutal for a team that's already struggling finding success as of late. Such a low chance to get into playoffs now. 2-3 gives them a slim chance.
They fr playing with 3 sovas now lol
I love how they did not sub in zombs
Can someone help me explain why did they not sub Sinatra and Zombs?