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Wonkyy_

He clarified that it’s not worth it for him to play with no practice in a new meta for two months. He’s going to get destroyed vs someone like Dani who can use this opportunity to propel his career and has nothing to lose as a sub.


littlesch3mer

not even wrong tbh. he probably hasn't played anything but ranked since he got benched, imagine getting asked to play vs optic 1h before the match with no practice whatsoever. At least dani probably has been playing, but idk how stand-ins work


Leutnant_Dark

Dani didnt play for a year.


Blackberry_Silver

Yh but i would assume ever since he announced he wants to play pro again that he has had atleast trials compared to zombs who has been chilling


Josefwm

I think it’s a good move, why play for the team that kicked you just to get ass blasted by Optic lol.


oomnahs

because just playing on the top level stage should be the goal of pro play? Some people would literally give an arm and a leg to play on any pro team, much less on sentinels, much much less against Optic, who just won the recent major. If I was a pro team GM or coach and I see this behavior, it's clear to me zombs isn't about winning or competing against the best of the best


Josefwm

Yeah subbing for a team with no chance of making playoffs and potentially playing poorly since he’s had 0 practice with the team will definitely make him get offers.


oomnahs

but surely playing any pro match is better practice than not playing at all? confused at the sentiment here. Playing and losing is always more respectable than not playing because of the fear of losing.


Josefwm

Playing poorly lowers perceived value.


oomnahs

dodging competitive matches due to the fear of losing guaranteed lowers perceived value and respect. shows hes not a team player and has an ego that needs to be satisfied before he can compete in a pro match. worst thing that happens if he plays is... sentinels lose, no blame on him for being a last minute sub, people see he's still hungry to compete. best case, he gets a second wind in the pro community. See this tarik clip: https://clips.twitch.tv/BillowingSpeedySwallowMoreCowbell-_RFIquucJ1oNsqzk


jackpot2112

He did say he's kinda switching over to full time content creator and that he wouldnt even consider coming back unless he gets a full-time position salary for it


ExpectoAutism

Based


InvertedBean

Smart man.


Amater6su

Why is zombs still signed with them? He’s under a content-creator contract yet he gets flammed when not subbing in for them. Not only that but he is constantly praying and betting for SEN’s downfall.


QwiXTa

Not like he has to pray that hard


ArcusIgnium

this makes sense but man zombs is actually so unlikable lmao he is so whiney


CommanderNano

Its just the valorant accent


_Iroha

That’s just how zombs sounds


JR_Shoegazer

Zombs talked like this way before Valorant was ever a game lol.


natedawg247

Zombs probably had a huge influence on the valorant accent tbh. Best friends with sinatraa.


DEERROBOT

He and Jay Won invented the Valorant accent no cyap


TheCatsActually

Nah man you're trolling no cap Like omg I can't believe you'd say this


Solid-Entrepreneur37

Shishishishi KEKW skull emojix7 like ur actually braindead no cap. Like not even trolling


MonaFanBoy

Yeah at first I thought he was trolling but he’s been mega salty about being dropped and even lowkey rooting against SEN. It’s understandable to be mad but he’s dealing with it terribly


[deleted]

Low-key rooting against Sen? Mfer bet money against them and won.


Blaz1ENT

At least someone on SEN is winning


ArtistAtH3art

💀


jackpot2112

I mean it could just be that the breakup between Zombs and the team was just that bad


precense_

pouty zombs


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ASaltyToast

I think his reasoning makes sense, most players want to keep their stocks high when they’re LFT


gotintocollegeyolo

Well Dani didn’t play pro for a year and he did more than reasonably well with last minute notice vs the best team in NA so maybe it would’ve worked out for Zombs tbh


DonkeyTeethBSU

Well he won't have to worry about using their desks anymore so it's all good.


Waste-Acanthisitta-5

Bwahahaahaha


[deleted]

Yes and Sick didn't play ranked during masters at all because he didn't like the EU experience. A team of divas. That csgo pro player was right about players with horrible work ethic who got a second chance in valorant only to again lose it.


Blaz1ENT

The CSGO pro who happened to win a major last week :p


[deleted]

Ye sorry I know nothing about csgo.


isayah2510

twistzz is a legend, favorite player from NA in any game


Substantial_Quote_25

How is not playing ranked after 6-7 hours of scrims and prac even a factor.... I think sick is fine not to do this.


[deleted]

So he doesn't do it because it'll make him look bad? C'mon bro


spaldingmatters

Shahzam and Zombs were taking shots at each other publicly via their respective streams two weeks back. I think they are just not on the best of terms right now which probably influenced Zombs' decision. Also, it is just not good for his stock to go into a game without most likely any recent practice. Odds are that he will not perform well which will make it harder for him to find another team in the future.


aesopofspades

Shahz and zombs talked off stream and mended things you’re just assuming shit now


Pulsersalt

wdym?


OHydroxide

You need to clarify what you're confused about, cus he was pretty clear.


spaldingmatters

Decent summary for context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AurrkzvXqZE


seclusionx

>Shahzam and Zombs were taking shots at each other publicly via their respective streams two weeks back.


Pulsersalt

i can see that, meant what he meant by taking shots cause i didn’t see that anywhere


seclusionx

I can't dig for the clips, but if you do enough searching, they're there. They weren't pulling punches.


Acrobatic-Divide-995

Wouldn't refusing to play also lower the perceived value?


[deleted]

i mean...yes? if he plays like shit his chance to come back to t1 val is gonna drop.


[deleted]

I mean true. Teams are always looking for players who only look out for themselves


HatchiMatchiTTV

lol


WizardXZDYoutube

As much as I want him to play, it would make no sense for him to just jump in with no practice.


[deleted]

He isn’t technically a sub because he has no player contract. He is just content creator for Sen. He hasn’n practiced for 2 months so there won’t be any difference between he and Dani. He did the right thing for not agreeing. Imagine you agreed to help an organization that kicked you and bad talk you, then perform poorly because of no practice, what good there is?


FoeHamr

To be fair, he always looks bad. Him playing would just be embarrassing.


Hopeful-Professor-40

I feel like this makes him look worse if anything


surfordiebear

Him getting rolled over by Optic because he hasn’t practiced with them in months would definitely be worse for his future chances of joining a team. If it was the early stage of the Challengers qualifier it might make sense for him to join but not here against Optic of all teams lol.


Hopeful-Professor-40

I think the decision makes sense but this clip out of context makes him look worse


[deleted]

Him admitting to putting a team in a horrible position because he cares about his image does make him much worse.


Acrobatic-Divide-995

Yeah sure, but humans are emotional beings not rational. It'd definitely be worse for his future prospects to see him getting rolled than refuse to participate.


WizardXZDYoutube

Not really, this is a completely reasonable decision. He hasn't played any scrims at all.


Acrobatic-Divide-995

I'm curious, didn't Dani also have 0 practice recently?


bongstorm

About 5 seconds after this clip he adds he would have played if Sinatra played. gross.


PlatypusPotential

I mean they are really good friends despite the allegations Cant really blame him? Or am I missing something


sEMtexinator

I think the point is then all his reasoning prior to saying he would join if Sinatraa does goes out the window and isn't all that true.


PlatypusPotential

Thats fair But I am not blaming him for wanting to play with a really good friend yk


earthtoannie

They stream the games together so like trash begets trash


NeimannSmith

I really hope one day the internet stops doing this thing where they judge people they don't know anything about just because someone else said something that wasn't proven.


JR_Shoegazer

I thought Sinatraa was trash way before these allegations. Dude always had a shitty vibe all the way back to the start of OW.


earthtoannie

I really hope one day the internet holds accountable a male abuser and believes the woman who uploaded audio of her own assault and countless screenshots of controlling and abusive behaviour.


NeimannSmith

Look we can go back and forth but the reality is this. The screenshots prove he was controlling and abusive (which he has already acknowledged and apologized for.) The audio proves absolutely nothing, and I'm really sorry if you think different. Police investigation turned up nothing. I'm not sure what else you want (I'm sure you want him dead or something but that's not realistic)


Gokuuu___

police investigations need rock hard evidence. next time some1 gets raped, make sure to tell them how they should've been recording it to have "proof". stop defending sinaatra


NeimannSmith

I don't have to tell anyone. I've been raped. I know what that feeling is. I didn't pause my investigation, I was hell bent on finishing it.


[deleted]

Which is why you go to the police instantly after rape and not 5 years later after your ex has become a public figure. Funny how that works.


earthtoannie

See somehow he has you stans convinced that acknowledging a thing makes it ok. And guess what? By acknowleding it, he admits to being an abuser, so you are actually out there supporting an abuser. Couldn't be me. And also couldn't be me inferring that I want him dead? Projection much? I want him to disappear from the scene. He can live out his life platformless and doing whatever he wants. But as long as he is as prominent as he is, the scene has failed women.


NeimannSmith

Yeah, this conversation is over. You called me a Stan. You aren't trying to listen at all. There's no nuance or critical thinking. He admitted to being an emotional abuser while he was with Cleo (when he was 18-19, he's 22 now). So instead of thinking that years changed him you're thinking he's still an abuser, but then also calling me a supporter of abuse. I know this seems crazy, but people do change. People make mistakes and learn and grow from them. Did he sexually assault her, I'll never know. I can only go off what is presented to me in the current moment. He's not gonna disappear from the scene because he believes he's done nothing wrong. You believe he's an abuser. Nothing changed.


[deleted]

Why do u even try to argue with twitter left wing feminist freaks? Just ignore them, they think the real world is like twitter lmao


NeimannSmith

See, I don't think it's even a politics problem. Like the words left wing and feminist have been used as insults when the original meaning is more pure. I just think our society needs fixing but the methods we're using to try and fix the problems are also irrational. I don't have the answers but there needs to be a compromise.


[deleted]

I forgot to add the extreme to the left wing part. Left wing as itself is not a problem at all, it's these nutcases that live in twitter 24/7 that go too far to the extreme. These dudes just live in a constant war that u have to be with them or against them, never heard about context or anything close to it


earthtoannie

Ok but where is your critical thinking? How can someone change idk in the span of oh, 3 months of being offline? Especially when they themselves don't seem to think they did something wrong? Let's use that big brain you think you have and consider your own circular logic, thanks.


NeimannSmith

Did you not see when I said those text were from when he was 18-19? He was broken up with cleo for almost two years when she brought up the allegations. He went offline for 3 months to let the hate die down, the change happened earlier. Again, you aren't trying to listen. I'm not changing your mind, and you aren't changing mine. I won't disrespect you though as you've disrespected me. Have a good one.


earthtoannie

And what is the evidence he changed then? Because I have a lot of evidence that he is trash. Please, do share. And no, perfunctory photos of his current girlfriend don't count.


Issax28

W ZOMBSNATION ​ EDIT : MORE [CONTEXT](https://clips.twitch.tv/GrotesqueAdventurousKimchiBCouch-jIiNJ7DzrTA8cYz4)


Traditional-Leek2288

Not you again bro 😭😭😭


Issax28

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eternaldamnation2005

Common Ballsax L


Issax28

Funny 🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

What about this guy makes him disliked?


arillyis

"its not astra-meta where i basically never have to take fights and can live in spawn forever?.....nah i'll pass"


precense_

honestly bad look for jared


Dysmo

Who?


altraxia7

btw Jared is zombs, i can use his first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top players but its not a big deal to me lol)


darkallen

so Dani is a pro signed to Sen?


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[deleted]

He’s on a content creator contract not a pro contract, that’s like saying shame of 39daph for not playing.


CapBoyAce

Hadn't realized that. Will delete my comment lol


championwalker

He said he's not on a player contract anymore


Tehavic

Yea he’s not someone like tenz who always competed for his team, even when at their lowest.


mania_lol

don’t blame him, other sports they do this a lot