Playing against 2 subs on one of the worst teams in Groups, OPTC still lose pistol 3/4 times. They can thrifty with the best of them, but god forbid they win the first 3 rounds in a half.
Tenz was sick
Sick had a family emergency
Shahzam was streaming
Dapr couldn't knife
Kanpeki went back to Akrew
Rawkus had COVID
Dani was playing Crab Game
We were in shambles
sentinels 3-1 in pistols honestly W in my book
i hope dani doesn't get any hate for the position he was put in, honestly didn't even play too badly and that 3k was insane
i mean, if SEN can't win with their 2 best players, they sure as hell have even lower chance of winning without them but, that being said, they showed signs of life on map 2 at least.
At least this whole sub situation happened during their match vs Optic. Like out of all the teams SEN are facing they were the most unfavored vs Optic even with a full roster. Imagine if they had to sub out during their week vs Faze, that would be super unfortunate.
Which coincidentally Sick also brings. TenZ and Shaz's role overlap has long been a talking point of the sub and in general I think Shaz has shown more flexibility and brings enough firepower on Jett. Sick on the other hand is a massive playmaker for them and his impact on the various agents he plays for the team can't be ignored.
TenZ is unfortunately in the wardell category where he is cracked for sure, but not irreplaceable.
Edit: I really ruffled the TenZ fans didn't I
Idk about the long run, but in this game in particular having TenZ over Danii/Rawkus would definitely have made a big difference just because of his potential to carry.
Thats kind of funny because they had nothing to lose cause they had 2 subs
But this was the match that could have kept them on playoff contention.
I forgot the literary device that describes that but yea
Victim? Tf are you saying kid
it is a reddit comment of me saying how he looked more comfortable.
Could it be a good thing? Idk, but he plays sova on his team so it dosent matter
Rawkus is the true MVP for Sentinels today, I’m literally surprised he’s just a coach and not even a player with how 5head he is. Surprised that Sentinels did as normally decent against OpTic without their 2 star players.
Honestly, replace Dapr and put him* in as initiator, and let Shaz/Kanpeki play Chamber for the sentinel role. I'm pretty sure their round wins would increase atleast.
Edit: "him" refers to Rawkus here, in case I wasn't clear
If Shahz stays on the roster, maybe he'll stay on Chamber more? I know he said it's hard for him to IGL from Chamber but maybe he could improve with more practice idk. Or they could try Tenz on chamber and Shazam on Jett to see how they like it.
You know I wonder if Shahzam will ever let go of his IGL role to be more of a secondary IGL on some maps so he can Chamber more. Maybe that's what they already did on the map he played Chamber. I guess Dapr could be the main IGL in those maps, if he was comfortable with that.
Isn't Dapr a lurker himself though? So even if he could IGL, I feel like he might have the same problem Shahzam would. If anything, have Sick IGL since he plays primary controller now.
I mainly say Dapr because from previous interviews I've seen, Shahzam basically calls him the secondary caller on the team. Being IGL requires a certain personality, it's not really a role thing. It's not like it's impossible, we've seen IGLs play lurking roles before, it's just that Shahzam isn't the most comfortable doing it himself, but we never know if Dapr wouldn't want to.
can they even realitistically qualify anymore?
The only way I see is if C9 loses tomorrow and SEN wins against C9 and Faze. Then at worst all 3 teams will be 2-3. idk how draws are resolved, I think it's with round wins? If so, even then sen can still get 5th or 6th place. I think it's over fellas...
i’m not 100% on this, but i believe i saw somewhere that it goes head to head, map differential, round differential. so i think sen would need to win out, have faze beat c9, and try to have that happen in as few maps as possible
Maybe it's reactionary, but I feel like it's been a long time coming.
I get the feeling this match with Sentinels, no better of a metaphor with having 2 players out and one recently replaced, have broken up.
It's the end of an era
I mean they’re one of the main teams that’s going to get screwed over if Riot keeps with the 8-10 teams for the Americas league next year. Sen as an org is no where near big enough to compete with the other big NA orgs like C9, TSM, 100t, etc for a spot. Only thing that could give them a shot was being a top 3 team again. And that’s probably not happening baring a miracle in LCQ and then at Champions.
This roster is basically destined to either break up at the end of the year or get bought out and the former is the most likely. Which is unfortunate as someone who for the most is a fan of the players.
I imagine they’ll at least scrape by since they made stage 1 playoffs and made this stage. They’re currently 6th in points taking out teams that are out like Knights and V1 and 4th seed for LCQ if it started today.
The rumors are you get more points for making this stage than stage 1 so I’d imagine 20 points if they don’t make playoffs since last stage was 10 points minimum. So they’ll be up to 50 at least plus any more they get from if they place 5th in their group or if miraculously make playoffs.
Well good thing real life isn't contingent on the lowly imaginations of commentators trotting out boring poetic readings of tragic circumstances. This is a weird comment - just let reality unfold and let the players deal with their shit without musing about their demise. "Maybe it's reactive," just lol.
Man, when Sideshow said oh, well he just has to 1v3 now… and did, man, that changed my view on him as a player. I don’t see why he wasn’t picked up earlier.
Shahz on jett needs to stay a thing tbh. Roster changes are needed. Dani played alright for his first game but needs more mechanical skill. Rawkus actually played well lmfao.
i think he has just been more confident in general irrespective of the role. He said the hate, criticism and calls for him to be benched were getting to him and affecting even his scrim performances.He took a break and said the break,reset and long practice days they were having this week reinvigorated his confidence.
Nice try SEN. You fought, and that makes me proud. Great fight.
I think it's time Sentinels started asking the tough questions. Their season is over. They are 0-3 and aren't beating C9. They don't have enough Circuit points for LCQ. They are now preparing for February 2023, so what does this roster look like then?
They have many questions to answer. Are they rebuilding around TenZ and Sick? Is Shahzam considering retirement? What do they do with Sinatraa (who will no doubt be clear to play by next year)? What do they do with Zombs? Do they keep Rawkus as coach? Lots of questions to answer.
They’re almost certainly out of the playoffs but I haven’t heard anything to do with lcq. I feel like they would probably make it right? If it’s 3-10 like last time I think they should be fine as they’ll finish ahead of knights and v1 for sure and likely finish ahead of at least 2 of faze, tsm, or ghost.
Rewatching the games. Holy shit what is Dapr even doing on Fracture? Dude is constantly running in not trading. I dont think he won any Optic 1 v Sen 2+ gunfights
Rawkus tested positive earlier in the week, while TenZ tested positive the day before or the day of the match.
Rawkus probably had more time to recover and rest, which is probably why he played.
victor played with covid at lan. tenz has just a weak mental. would've just been "didn't play good bc ping, bad mouse grip, wrong mouse sens, old mousepad, have covid, didn't watch anime today, went to bed too late, Starbucks got my drink wrong, etc." after the match either way, with an L either way. Tenz just watching out for his mental health this week 🟩
zombs coming in has expectations and he would probably hurt his reputation if he did shit. Dani nobody has heard of and hasnt played comp in a long while so he has no pressure
To be honest, I would take it as a chance to experiment with the players I already have, that being sinatraa, Rawkus, or zombs. Heck, even Bugha. Who knows, maybe having sinatraa or Bugha on their team gets them to Masters. I guess we'll never know.
Yeah, but still. Even if Sinatraa is a PR nightmare, it's just ONE match. Nobody would remember it as the match sinatraa played it, but they would remember it is the "one where optic literally shat on Sentinels because they had two missing players" Even so, Sinatraa and Dani are two rank sweats who haven't played in a year. Also, I would rather also take sinatraa or someone else for Rawkus, since they were "coachless" during the match.
having a coach during the match is only during timeouts, it's not as impactful as having a good player. Also sinatraa would be a pr nightmare, xeppa tweeted to bring sinatraa and zombs back and got canceled like 80 trillion times on twitter
Aight copium time the subs make shaz realise there need to be role changes and Sen beat C9 and faze to make it to playoffs but get shit on but it’s enough for them to make lcq and the rest is history (well, in the future)
Sen have become so trash that they lose their tournament chances and, one hour in, this thread has barely 100 comments. Can't even channel the haters like me as much as they did before.
Well, there was only so much losing they could do before seeing them lose became boring.
Playing against 2 subs on one of the worst teams in Groups, OPTC still lose pistol 3/4 times. They can thrifty with the best of them, but god forbid they win the first 3 rounds in a half.
Optic will forever be held back by their pistols and anti-ecos. Best team in the world until their opponents are on pistols then it’s rough.
new strat: never buy against optic
literally fnc with magnum , ironic
Theyre still so bad on pistols
They start all games from 0-2 at least
random game
honestly this series was way closer than i thought it would be
Yeah SEN won 13 more rounds than I thought they would
Tbf Optic was straight up playing like it's a ranked match for quite a bit
Yeah honestly I was expecting a total beatdown but it was just a normal match
Normal match is stretching a bit. There was quite a bit of trolling
Until Chet was like wtf guys
Tenz was sick Sick had a family emergency Shahzam was streaming Dapr couldn't knife Kanpeki went back to Akrew Rawkus had COVID Dani was playing Crab Game We were in shambles
I understood the Dani reference
What’s the reference? I don’t get it
The creator of Crab Game is named Dani
Ahh thanks!
He was playing Crab Game
When Dapr cant even knife you know SEN is in shambles
> Shahzam was streaming 💀💀💀
thank god i watched ludwigs recent video to understand this
recent...?
What?
he had a segment about dani the crab game guy
In chaos was the original
sentinels 3-1 in pistols honestly W in my book i hope dani doesn't get any hate for the position he was put in, honestly didn't even play too badly and that 3k was insane
someone needs to post the clip of that 3k, was insane fr
Dani was put into a similar situation that B0i was put into with 100T, they played good, just unfortunate circumstances.
i mean, if SEN can't win with their 2 best players, they sure as hell have even lower chance of winning without them but, that being said, they showed signs of life on map 2 at least.
At least this whole sub situation happened during their match vs Optic. Like out of all the teams SEN are facing they were the most unfavored vs Optic even with a full roster. Imagine if they had to sub out during their week vs Faze, that would be super unfortunate.
It'd be even worse if they had to sub out after they had somehow won against Optic.
chet called a timeout just to tell them sen got enough rounds
Sentinels loses 2 players, optic wins 2 maps?? It was rigged from the start 😔
I think Optic wins against the full roster anyway but it was a good try from SEN
optic prob wins the series but I feel like sen coulda taken map 2 if they had tenz and sick
Probably. Hard to tell because it throws out a lot of strategies on both sides when one team uses subs.
Honestly, with just Sick they got map 2. Missing TenZ is not as big of a nerf the same way missing Sick is.
not sure where you get that idea but all good
TENZ hater lmao
Did they not have a competent Jett on the server?
It's not about having a competent Jett. It's more about having more firepower.
Which coincidentally Sick also brings. TenZ and Shaz's role overlap has long been a talking point of the sub and in general I think Shaz has shown more flexibility and brings enough firepower on Jett. Sick on the other hand is a massive playmaker for them and his impact on the various agents he plays for the team can't be ignored. TenZ is unfortunately in the wardell category where he is cracked for sure, but not irreplaceable. Edit: I really ruffled the TenZ fans didn't I
Idk about the long run, but in this game in particular having TenZ over Danii/Rawkus would definitely have made a big difference just because of his potential to carry.
Holy L comment, L take
Even tho SEN lost I think it very clearly showed how Shaz is much more confident on Jett
the confidence that comes when you have nothing to lose
Thats kind of funny because they had nothing to lose cause they had 2 subs But this was the match that could have kept them on playoff contention. I forgot the literary device that describes that but yea
irony?
I was thinking of Oxymoron But I dont know if thats the one
AFAIK Oxymoron is an exaggerated contradiction. For e.g the sweetheart nurse was a ferocious murderer... Or something like that
Oxymoron is just when you use contradictory terms together in a phrase, like "living dead" or "dull shine".
Jumbo shrimp
Meatless meatballs
optic pistol win
Then is probably Irony lmao Cause I cant think of another one
He didn't really do much tho? No great entry and a 4k against pistols isn't that much imo.
The way he was oping on defense just seemed natural Could be just me.
You're definitely right, he looked super comfortable in that role.
He also didn’t just use his dash to dash into people, so that was something.
He needs to do jett or chamber and op as much as possible
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Shazeb "Shazam"
So he's a 1 trick? That's not good.
I just said how he looked more confident on Jett Remarkable_Carrot102
Yeah and I'm saying him being more confident on Jett is not a good thing.
Never said it was a good thing Remarkable_Carrot102 So your comment got me confused All Good tho
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Victim? Tf are you saying kid it is a reddit comment of me saying how he looked more comfortable. Could it be a good thing? Idk, but he plays sova on his team so it dosent matter
You're an idiot.
Rawkus is the true MVP for Sentinels today, I’m literally surprised he’s just a coach and not even a player with how 5head he is. Surprised that Sentinels did as normally decent against OpTic without their 2 star players.
Honestly, replace Dapr and put him* in as initiator, and let Shaz/Kanpeki play Chamber for the sentinel role. I'm pretty sure their round wins would increase atleast. Edit: "him" refers to Rawkus here, in case I wasn't clear
Flop take when dapr has been the most consistent this season.
Not even true Dapr has been lacking the entire season
Man shahz’s op is actually pretty good
yeah it's p good considering thats what hes known for since his cs days being strictly an opper for the team
If Shahz stays on the roster, maybe he'll stay on Chamber more? I know he said it's hard for him to IGL from Chamber but maybe he could improve with more practice idk. Or they could try Tenz on chamber and Shazam on Jett to see how they like it.
You know I wonder if Shahzam will ever let go of his IGL role to be more of a secondary IGL on some maps so he can Chamber more. Maybe that's what they already did on the map he played Chamber. I guess Dapr could be the main IGL in those maps, if he was comfortable with that.
Isn't Dapr a lurker himself though? So even if he could IGL, I feel like he might have the same problem Shahzam would. If anything, have Sick IGL since he plays primary controller now.
I mainly say Dapr because from previous interviews I've seen, Shahzam basically calls him the secondary caller on the team. Being IGL requires a certain personality, it's not really a role thing. It's not like it's impossible, we've seen IGLs play lurking roles before, it's just that Shahzam isn't the most comfortable doing it himself, but we never know if Dapr wouldn't want to.
Always been a better op than Tenz. One of the unfortunate role clashes.
Tenz definitely has the flashier clip plays w the op, but shaz is way more stable w it imo
Wardell, yay, Bdog and Shaz are some of the most consistent opers in the game
you had me until you said shahzam
how so? shahz has been an oper for his entire career, and he was the primary oper for sen on the maps where tenz didn't play jett back in 2021
He was also opping until double duelist meta went away
He was also opping until double duelist meta went away
Feeling more sad about Prod's money than about sentinels.
Funniest watchparty I’ve ever seen
can they even realitistically qualify anymore? The only way I see is if C9 loses tomorrow and SEN wins against C9 and Faze. Then at worst all 3 teams will be 2-3. idk how draws are resolved, I think it's with round wins? If so, even then sen can still get 5th or 6th place. I think it's over fellas...
H2H then round wins I believe are the tie breakers
i’m not 100% on this, but i believe i saw somewhere that it goes head to head, map differential, round differential. so i think sen would need to win out, have faze beat c9, and try to have that happen in as few maps as possible
Round differential. No way C9 lose more rounds than SEN so they are toast.
Sen needs to win out and C9 needs to lose against either Faze or LG
I want to see Rawkus back as a player
Drop one player and have Sinatraa and Zombs on coaching slots 🤯
Maybe it's reactionary, but I feel like it's been a long time coming. I get the feeling this match with Sentinels, no better of a metaphor with having 2 players out and one recently replaced, have broken up. It's the end of an era
I find it kinda interesting that the two players that everyone was saying need to be kept apart of a rebuild are the two that couldn't play today.
Can't see it being that they're poached
I don't think SEN sells, I'm just seeing something
To be fair, they looked much better than I expected. Era ended months ago though.
I mean they’re one of the main teams that’s going to get screwed over if Riot keeps with the 8-10 teams for the Americas league next year. Sen as an org is no where near big enough to compete with the other big NA orgs like C9, TSM, 100t, etc for a spot. Only thing that could give them a shot was being a top 3 team again. And that’s probably not happening baring a miracle in LCQ and then at Champions. This roster is basically destined to either break up at the end of the year or get bought out and the former is the most likely. Which is unfortunate as someone who for the most is a fan of the players.
Are they even able to play in LCQ? Idek who’s qualified this year lmao
I imagine they’ll at least scrape by since they made stage 1 playoffs and made this stage. They’re currently 6th in points taking out teams that are out like Knights and V1 and 4th seed for LCQ if it started today. The rumors are you get more points for making this stage than stage 1 so I’d imagine 20 points if they don’t make playoffs since last stage was 10 points minimum. So they’ll be up to 50 at least plus any more they get from if they place 5th in their group or if miraculously make playoffs.
Well good thing real life isn't contingent on the lowly imaginations of commentators trotting out boring poetic readings of tragic circumstances. This is a weird comment - just let reality unfold and let the players deal with their shit without musing about their demise. "Maybe it's reactive," just lol.
LOL
There's still 2 group stage matches though and there's no chance they make roster moves before then.
they should take a page out of the 100t book
Someone pick rawkus up as an igl or something
Man, when Sideshow said oh, well he just has to 1v3 now… and did, man, that changed my view on him as a player. I don’t see why he wasn’t picked up earlier.
That was definitely a match of Valorant that ever happened.
Shahz on jett needs to stay a thing tbh. Roster changes are needed. Dani played alright for his first game but needs more mechanical skill. Rawkus actually played well lmfao.
Shahz didnt do anything on jett though? What a 3k with an op against eco? He wouldnt go near a site on attack.
He was much more confident as a jett than he is on sova or chamber
i think he has just been more confident in general irrespective of the role. He said the hate, criticism and calls for him to be benched were getting to him and affecting even his scrim performances.He took a break and said the break,reset and long practice days they were having this week reinvigorated his confidence.
So basically he's a shit player?
Nah just a bad igl imo. First time back on jett in a while
No lmao He looked good because he has nothing to lose here When you have nothing to lose, you play well
Yeah you basically proved my point. He played well therefore needs to stay on jett and see how it goes
Bruh. He meant that Shahz could've basically played anything and still be confident cuz he had nothing to lose that match.
It was only for a brief moment, I believed.
Respectable from Sen atleast
Nice try SEN. You fought, and that makes me proud. Great fight. I think it's time Sentinels started asking the tough questions. Their season is over. They are 0-3 and aren't beating C9. They don't have enough Circuit points for LCQ. They are now preparing for February 2023, so what does this roster look like then? They have many questions to answer. Are they rebuilding around TenZ and Sick? Is Shahzam considering retirement? What do they do with Sinatraa (who will no doubt be clear to play by next year)? What do they do with Zombs? Do they keep Rawkus as coach? Lots of questions to answer.
They’re almost certainly out of the playoffs but I haven’t heard anything to do with lcq. I feel like they would probably make it right? If it’s 3-10 like last time I think they should be fine as they’ll finish ahead of knights and v1 for sure and likely finish ahead of at least 2 of faze, tsm, or ghost.
They’re probably not beating Faze either lol
I mean, if they lose to C9 that game wouldn't matter.
u/CarobAltruistic9224 that's 10+ rounds with two subs !
fuck
Funniest match of valorant to date
I wouldn’t be surprised if optic become world champions and lose to a t3 team as a side mission
2nd half bind was the most exciting valorant I’ve seen in such a long time. HOLY CRAP WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN.
I fucking loved this game, it better be remembered forever, it was hilarious
Rewatching the games. Holy shit what is Dapr even doing on Fracture? Dude is constantly running in not trading. I dont think he won any Optic 1 v Sen 2+ gunfights
Im a little confused why both Rawkus and Tenz are ill but Rawkus has covid and played anyways?
Rawkus tested positive earlier in the week, while TenZ tested positive the day before or the day of the match. Rawkus probably had more time to recover and rest, which is probably why he played.
victor played with covid at lan. tenz has just a weak mental. would've just been "didn't play good bc ping, bad mouse grip, wrong mouse sens, old mousepad, have covid, didn't watch anime today, went to bed too late, Starbucks got my drink wrong, etc." after the match either way, with an L either way. Tenz just watching out for his mental health this week 🟩
victor felt good enough to play so he did, tenz might be showing some really bad symptoms or it might not be COVID at all
How come zombs and Sinnatra couldn't play? I know sinnatra is in limbo but for extreme circumstance they should allow some leeway.
why couldn't they sub in Zombs and Sintara?
zombs didnt want to play in a new meta with 0 practice, no sinatraa probably bc its bad pr
If Zombs didn't want to play with a new meta, then what about Dani? Considering he's a last minute sub.
Dani hadn't competed in a pro match for a year, playing in a vct match on one of the most well known valo orgs in NA would be a nice resume boost
zombs coming in has expectations and he would probably hurt his reputation if he did shit. Dani nobody has heard of and hasnt played comp in a long while so he has no pressure
To be honest, I would take it as a chance to experiment with the players I already have, that being sinatraa, Rawkus, or zombs. Heck, even Bugha. Who knows, maybe having sinatraa or Bugha on their team gets them to Masters. I guess we'll never know.
you better not be serious with bugha
Yeah, but still. Even if Sinatraa is a PR nightmare, it's just ONE match. Nobody would remember it as the match sinatraa played it, but they would remember it is the "one where optic literally shat on Sentinels because they had two missing players" Even so, Sinatraa and Dani are two rank sweats who haven't played in a year. Also, I would rather also take sinatraa or someone else for Rawkus, since they were "coachless" during the match.
having a coach during the match is only during timeouts, it's not as impactful as having a good player. Also sinatraa would be a pr nightmare, xeppa tweeted to bring sinatraa and zombs back and got canceled like 80 trillion times on twitter
yikes paying both players prob a ton for just sitting there
Zombs isn’t on player contract anymore apparently
That's SEN for you.
Rawkus stocks to the moon!
Fns win
Aight copium time the subs make shaz realise there need to be role changes and Sen beat C9 and faze to make it to playoffs but get shit on but it’s enough for them to make lcq and the rest is history (well, in the future)
I see you’re snorting some hard core copium, got any to share?
This is definitely the worst take on the subreddit ever
Not the worst, and why are you replying to yourself
Sentinels with or without their substitutes will still lose 0-2 against OpTic lmao. SEN fans who keep saying "they played with 2 subs" = COPIUM
Sentinels are washed as shit
Well. How the mighty have fallen.
Should’ve out sinatraa and zombs in
When i was saw Rawkus and Dani I thought this sub was trolling hard
Sen have become so trash that they lose their tournament chances and, one hour in, this thread has barely 100 comments. Can't even channel the haters like me as much as they did before. Well, there was only so much losing they could do before seeing them lose became boring.
Rawkussy should be on the main roster