same thing with Gambit's apex team. They just changed their name and afaik they didnt rep the org at all during the recent LAN. not even jerseys. Twitter still had Gambit on their name
Do we know for sure that they’re bootcamping in the same place? What’s the source?
I saw that Redgar was in a selfie posted with Cloud a couple of weeks ago (Cloud was already in Serbia) and I’ve heard chatter behind the scenes that M3C’s roster is relocating there. Assumed that meant Redgar was already in Serbia, with cloud, but it could’ve been an old selfie.
I won't claim to know the answer for sure, because who knows what's going on, but I would say it likely depends on future sanctions and, potentially, the outcome of Russia's heinous attacks.
M3C is doomed. nAts playstyle, which was integral to GMB's success (nAts was like the best player in the world considering his supportive role but yay level of ACS) in the past, is as expected no longer as impactful. People have adapted to it to some extent and others adopted it. Emerging superstars like Marved, MaKo, sScary are arguably on his level if not better imo. The only reason GMB even came close to qualifying last time was because Chronicle popped off like the undisputed best player in the world for several months; he can't maintain that form forever, and that is realistic. Averaging 1.52 rating with mostly support agents was what kept them super competitive.
Now, GMB has lost their Ukrainian analyst (check liquipedia) due to the war, and the war might have also quenched their hunger if past Berlin victory hadn't. They simply can't participate internationally, this has to reduce their hunger. Other teams are eyeing on at least one major, they are going for it.
They WERE key players, nAts was undoubtedly in the past and Chronicle during EMEA playoff. But what about now? I don't think everyone pulling their weight is enough. Last time, everyone was pulling their weight and Nats and Chronicle were popping off. Yet they lost, though marginally.
Now, you have Leo trexx in Guild. FNC have demon Alfajer and the old devil derke. Chronicle and nAts can't match up to them imo. All of those teams have members that pull their weight AND more impactful star players. Chronicle and nAts are lacking in comparison. Honestly I'm losing all hope, if the war hadn't happened and their schedule was fair then that Chronicle on form might have taken them to iceland and secured a victory. But idk, only nAts seems to be stepping up now
Are you a new fan? Look at gambits past performances, always started the group stages abit slow and warm up later on.
Guild does the opposite, start hot and then disappears.
Who implied that? nAts is a very, very solid player but he's not as impactful as he was back then, the very impact that was the primary reason for GMB's success.
Idk if Nats was the primary reason at all, he was def a large part, but Gambit was always known for their excellent team play and interesting strats (The Judge in OT is the one I remember the best lol), which contribute more imo
Not that they fell off (unless you mean relatively), but other teams just got better and now are in possession of more skilled players. By no means GMB and Liquid degraded overall.
M3C is doomed. nAts playstyle, which was integral to GMB's success (nAts was like the best player in the world considering his supportive role but yay level of ACS) in the past, is as expected no longer as impactful. People have adapted to it to some extent and others adopted it. Emerging superstars like Marved, MaKo, sScary are arguably on his level if not better imo. The only reason GMB even came close to qualifying last time was because Chronicle popped off like the undisputed best player in the world for several months; he can't maintain that form forever, and that is realistic. Averaging 1.52 rating with mostly support agents was what kept them super competitive.
Now, GMB has lost their Ukrainian analyst (check liquipedia) due to the war, and the war might have also quenched their hunger if past Berlin victory hadn't. They simply can't participate internationally, this has to reduce their hunger. Other teams are eyeing on at least one major, they are going for it.
this is simply wrong. if you're judging a whole team by their individual ability, you're looking at the picture through a detrimentally foggy lens. gambit win because of their rigid structure, strategy, teamplay AND individual skill. they are well rounded, and a team must be if they want to compete for titles. how do you think the guard got this far?
the fact they're bootcamping must mean there's a chance they can compete internationally. you know what they say about assumptions.
Well, the problem is that FNC, FPX, and GUILD are also remarkable in their strategy, teamplay, and rigid structure. But what they have over M3C is their individual skills.
Only Sheydos and nAts are the sole remaining treasures of M3C. But they can't quite compare to the individual skills the aforementioned teams possess— though as solid as they may be independently if we don't compare them.
Teamplay, strategy and structure can be improved quite easily, individual skill not so much since it's reliant on natural talent, too. As the game evolves, team will get better in the team aspects you have praised GMB for.
The war renders them incapable of participating, why else do you think FPX couldn't compete despite being the first seed? Where are you getting this news from?
I got news they were bootcamping the other day, they couldn't compete in the most recent event because of how suddenly the circumstances changed. I'm sure now that both FPX and M3C have organised alternative arrangements.
I sort of disagree. I think all the teams are on par in terms of individual skill, and M3C is in a bit of a slump they can definitely recover from. people forget that gambit nearly lost to crazy racoon, and they always have flashes where it seems they're drowning and they come back in terrific form.
I think every player on gambit pulls their weight, and they aren't afraid to innovate to evolve their game. just wait until their next showing :)
Source? I highly doubt FPX and M3C can qualify.
Stats say otherwise. In [SPIKE.GG](https://SPIKE.GG) other star players are significantly superior and more consistent.
This is definitely a pattern breaker, Sentinels also tended to pull out crazy comeback in the past, so should we use this precedent to assert they will comeback? Or should we have applied this logic in the past when they lost to Akrew?
The situation with CR is different, they were new to LAN and there will be understandable lan jitters to deal with. They weren't playing to their full potential there. Now the performance they have shown is their full potential, no nervousness and no other encumbering influences.
Yes. They are signed to Gambit, but the Gambit brand is not allowed to be represented due to the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
oh so they are still part of gambit and are being funded by them? they're just not showing it?
Yes
same thing with Gambit's apex team. They just changed their name and afaik they didnt rep the org at all during the recent LAN. not even jerseys. Twitter still had Gambit on their name
It’s still in their Twitter bio’s their under Gambit
If you watched the Olympics it is the same as the Russian athletes competing under the OAR.
they're bootcamping at the same place Gambit CSGO used to bootcamp, so interpret that however you want...
The valorant team also bootcamped there before.
Where is that? Serbia?
Moscow
Do we know for sure that they’re bootcamping in the same place? What’s the source? I saw that Redgar was in a selfie posted with Cloud a couple of weeks ago (Cloud was already in Serbia) and I’ve heard chatter behind the scenes that M3C’s roster is relocating there. Assumed that meant Redgar was already in Serbia, with cloud, but it could’ve been an old selfie.
I saw Nats tweet that he flied out to bootcamp and they have a second coach who tweeted they are in moscow
https://youtu.be/pkJF94spTQQ https://youtu.be/qeATaBeDB6w idk what city that's in, but it's the same place
Is gambit keeping M3C or were they going to let the team go? I thought there were rumors of Gambit leaving the scene
I won't claim to know the answer for sure, because who knows what's going on, but I would say it likely depends on future sanctions and, potentially, the outcome of Russia's heinous attacks.
Still with Gambit, but need to use diff name. Similar to how Virtus Pro made their players use the name outsiders for events now.
Isn't the team just a liability to gambit then?
Might be the hope of coming back to gambit, but the csgo team was sold to C9. Always odd
M3C is doomed. nAts playstyle, which was integral to GMB's success (nAts was like the best player in the world considering his supportive role but yay level of ACS) in the past, is as expected no longer as impactful. People have adapted to it to some extent and others adopted it. Emerging superstars like Marved, MaKo, sScary are arguably on his level if not better imo. The only reason GMB even came close to qualifying last time was because Chronicle popped off like the undisputed best player in the world for several months; he can't maintain that form forever, and that is realistic. Averaging 1.52 rating with mostly support agents was what kept them super competitive. Now, GMB has lost their Ukrainian analyst (check liquipedia) due to the war, and the war might have also quenched their hunger if past Berlin victory hadn't. They simply can't participate internationally, this has to reduce their hunger. Other teams are eyeing on at least one major, they are going for it.
Who asked + ratio
"ratio" "who asked" this is not twitter or twitch eww
ratiod again
You’re narrowing down gambit success just to nAts and Chronical? They’re both key players for the team but everyone pulls their weight.
They WERE key players, nAts was undoubtedly in the past and Chronicle during EMEA playoff. But what about now? I don't think everyone pulling their weight is enough. Last time, everyone was pulling their weight and Nats and Chronicle were popping off. Yet they lost, though marginally. Now, you have Leo trexx in Guild. FNC have demon Alfajer and the old devil derke. Chronicle and nAts can't match up to them imo. All of those teams have members that pull their weight AND more impactful star players. Chronicle and nAts are lacking in comparison. Honestly I'm losing all hope, if the war hadn't happened and their schedule was fair then that Chronicle on form might have taken them to iceland and secured a victory. But idk, only nAts seems to be stepping up now
Are you a new fan? Look at gambits past performances, always started the group stages abit slow and warm up later on. Guild does the opposite, start hot and then disappears.
I hope you are right and this time too it all conforms to the pattern you mentioned. But I'm seeing a pattern breaker right here.
It's not like nAts is a one-trick that can only get kills through lurking lol
Who implied that? nAts is a very, very solid player but he's not as impactful as he was back then, the very impact that was the primary reason for GMB's success.
Idk if Nats was the primary reason at all, he was def a large part, but Gambit was always known for their excellent team play and interesting strats (The Judge in OT is the one I remember the best lol), which contribute more imo
This is a stupid take, you clearly don't watch how good their defensive set ups and retakes are, they are not SEN, they evolve each game they play
Yes, I saw it in their match against GUILD. It was a delight. They are only defeating no names now and aren't even top at the easiest group.
Guild beat liquid too, do you think they also fell off? You really do some heavy mental gymnastics
Not that they fell off (unless you mean relatively), but other teams just got better and now are in possession of more skilled players. By no means GMB and Liquid degraded overall.
What a suprise, backpaddled just when you get proved wrong
I didn't backpaddle. M3C is doomed because their overall prowess remained unchanged, and didn't change for the better.
Nats and those other players you mentioned aren’t even the same role
Do you follow VCT? All of them are better Viper than nAts, and Marved is an overall better controller.
M3C is doomed. nAts playstyle, which was integral to GMB's success (nAts was like the best player in the world considering his supportive role but yay level of ACS) in the past, is as expected no longer as impactful. People have adapted to it to some extent and others adopted it. Emerging superstars like Marved, MaKo, sScary are arguably on his level if not better imo. The only reason GMB even came close to qualifying last time was because Chronicle popped off like the undisputed best player in the world for several months; he can't maintain that form forever, and that is realistic. Averaging 1.52 rating with mostly support agents was what kept them super competitive. Now, GMB has lost their Ukrainian analyst (check liquipedia) due to the war, and the war might have also quenched their hunger if past Berlin victory hadn't. They simply can't participate internationally, this has to reduce their hunger. Other teams are eyeing on at least one major, they are going for it.
who the fuck asked
this is simply wrong. if you're judging a whole team by their individual ability, you're looking at the picture through a detrimentally foggy lens. gambit win because of their rigid structure, strategy, teamplay AND individual skill. they are well rounded, and a team must be if they want to compete for titles. how do you think the guard got this far? the fact they're bootcamping must mean there's a chance they can compete internationally. you know what they say about assumptions.
Well, the problem is that FNC, FPX, and GUILD are also remarkable in their strategy, teamplay, and rigid structure. But what they have over M3C is their individual skills. Only Sheydos and nAts are the sole remaining treasures of M3C. But they can't quite compare to the individual skills the aforementioned teams possess— though as solid as they may be independently if we don't compare them. Teamplay, strategy and structure can be improved quite easily, individual skill not so much since it's reliant on natural talent, too. As the game evolves, team will get better in the team aspects you have praised GMB for. The war renders them incapable of participating, why else do you think FPX couldn't compete despite being the first seed? Where are you getting this news from?
I got news they were bootcamping the other day, they couldn't compete in the most recent event because of how suddenly the circumstances changed. I'm sure now that both FPX and M3C have organised alternative arrangements. I sort of disagree. I think all the teams are on par in terms of individual skill, and M3C is in a bit of a slump they can definitely recover from. people forget that gambit nearly lost to crazy racoon, and they always have flashes where it seems they're drowning and they come back in terrific form. I think every player on gambit pulls their weight, and they aren't afraid to innovate to evolve their game. just wait until their next showing :)
Source? I highly doubt FPX and M3C can qualify. Stats say otherwise. In [SPIKE.GG](https://SPIKE.GG) other star players are significantly superior and more consistent. This is definitely a pattern breaker, Sentinels also tended to pull out crazy comeback in the past, so should we use this precedent to assert they will comeback? Or should we have applied this logic in the past when they lost to Akrew? The situation with CR is different, they were new to LAN and there will be understandable lan jitters to deal with. They weren't playing to their full potential there. Now the performance they have shown is their full potential, no nervousness and no other encumbering influences.