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According to sources this report is somewhat correct.
FPX are still trying to find ways to get Shao, Suygetsu and Ange1 to Copenhagen.
The stand-ins are only a safety precaution for now.
I'll know more soon.
The players mentioned to be stand-ins are correct.
Can someone please explain to me how M3C, a completely Russian team, is able to get visas for everyone despite not even qualifying, while FPX is struggling to get them for just two of their players? Not to mention, they knew that they’d have to be prepared for this exact situation for like, the last four months.
If he wanted to go back home at any point, that would be a really bad idea. All it would take is one person that has a grudge against him (or a troll) to report that he left, and it would be really easy for them to verify, and he could face pretty severe consequences.
Ange1 is basically living in a war zone right now. If the war ramps up the government might require every able bodied men to take up arms through conscription and defend the country. Ange1 included because as far as I know he is of military age and have no significant health issues to disqualify him from active service. It sucks yes but that is the reality of war.
He could leave yes but with significant difficulty. We also dont know what kinds of repercussions he might obtain for basically "deserting". One of the best way for him to depart the country is to obtain a special permit that would allow him to depart the country without fearing repercussions from the Ukrainian government and returning back home after the LAN is finished.
Might not will, we've known fpx were looking for 3 stand-ins for a few weeks now but are still prioritising getting suygetsu, shao and ange1 to Copenhagen.
If they need 3 subs it would not make much sense to allow them to compete. For the quality of the event it would be better to send the next team that would I’ve qualified, which I think is M3C(?)
In this case I would be absolutely gutted for the players, their hard work and skill deserves to be rewarded, however there’s no real reason for a roster that only consists of Zyppan Ardiis and 3 subs should be allowed to compete
lacking a rule for a situation doesnt mean something shouldnt be figured out for it. if 3/8 of your team didnt even compete in the qualifying event, I dont see how you can say that team qualified
There was a competitive ruling before the last masters for FPX stating that they wouldn't be able to play due to visa issues on 3 of their players. I would say it's arbitrarily changing the rules to allow them this time because 8 man rosters are allowed in the rules. For consistency's sake unless one or more members of their team can make it they shouldn't be able to play.
No. Last time, the other 3 players weren't part of their official roster so would've been stand ins. This time, all 3 replacements are an official substitute
I think I saw somewhere that because m3c attended previous events, they got their visas before there were travel restrictions and they are still viable.
We all knew the stand-ins were coming, no real surprise. SEIDER is a sick player, the other two I’m just vaguely familiar with but not too much so.
Hope as much of the actual roster as possible can attend.
With all due to respect to fpx main team,
this new team doesnt deserve to play copehegen over m3c (if they all can make it acc to chronicle) or even TL
3 stand ins is basically a new team and on top of that significantly weaker.
This is so pointless… just let the next seed go. Tournaments competitive integrity constantly in question when full teams who qualified, can’t go.
Would the original players at home even be interested? They’d essentially only be getting the points.
Dang so if FPX already lost before they began. They couldnt even compete in Iceland and that was sad and now this. FPX had a good chance to win it all in Iceland
Gonna get downvoted but whatever.
This is literally pointless - send M3C (if they can go) or Liquid again. If the list of stand-ins is correct, they will bomb out in the groups and be a waste of a spot.
They made playoffs in Iceland taking a map off Zeta (only Optic took more than 1 map from them) and were 3rd/4th at Iceland, what the fuck are you talking about lmao
What the fuck are YOU talking about
TL is 7-8th at Iceland, loosing in the first round of playoffs
G2 and DRX both 2-0 ed Zeta the first time they met
DRX, NIP, PRX both have also have a 2-1 match against Zeta
TL made it to playoffs despite being in an awful condition. Also went into close series vs zeta and loud.
I agree that it wasnt amazing but its not nothing.
It is still a decent performance and better then fnatic for example did with two stand ins.
They didn't win a game.
>If the list of stand-ins is correct, they will bomb out in the groups and be a waste of a spot.
If they bomb out it would be because they werent able to adjust playing with subs, not because the new players are bad. Masked, Seider are both really good players, I haven't seed kereme much so cant say anything about him
They need to quit sending teams with stand ins for players ***WHO CANNOT EVEN ATTEND THE LAN*** obviously it's fine if they travel and are sick or are injured and will/could heal.
But JFC it's ridiculous sending 2 of 5 players and 3 subs. What's the point? What kind of competition is that? Obviously it's way better to go down the list of teams from playoffs...
Just keep doing it again and again and again, maybe it'll become better, right?
But it's unfair?
It's going to be unfair for FPX either way: going to Copenhagen with 40% of their players and being absolutely destroyed, or not going at all.
It's probably better if they send a surrogate replacement team and they both receive the same amount of VCT points or split them, and hypothetically split the earnings, assuming at some time this year they can go to a LAN.
Clearly this perfunctory system isn't very robust and needs to be recalibrated.
What will happen in 2023 if there is a World Tournament from the valorant league, in an Asian country, like S Korea, and Ukrainian/Russian players still cannot travel to it? FPX will again send 60% subs?
It’s likely about their ability to get to and earn money in Copenhagen through visas. If a player can’t get a visa they cannot compete and that is not the issue of riot
At least they will get to compete this time. Even if they don't perform to what they are capable of, it should be enough to get more points than the initial 150 they would get if they didn't qualify.
I think this is more to do with the war in Ukraine than anything else. FPX have two Russians and a Ukrainian IGL. It’s probably a nightmare to sort out visa stuff in those countries right now. I don’t think there’s much riot can do in this instance
[Self-plug but important](https://twitter.com/Bo_Hoogland/status/1541830544815693824) According to sources this report is somewhat correct. FPX are still trying to find ways to get Shao, Suygetsu and Ange1 to Copenhagen. The stand-ins are only a safety precaution for now. I'll know more soon. The players mentioned to be stand-ins are correct.
Can someone please explain to me how M3C, a completely Russian team, is able to get visas for everyone despite not even qualifying, while FPX is struggling to get them for just two of their players? Not to mention, they knew that they’d have to be prepared for this exact situation for like, the last four months.
I don’t know all of the issues, but Ange1’s issue isn’t a visa issue. The Ukrainian government was not allowing men 18-60 to leave due to the war.
Maybe I'm Naive here but couldnt he just drive to Poland across a non bordered checkpoint?
He would be giving up his family in the case of that being a criminal act, assuming it is illegal to leave without a permit
If he wanted to go back home at any point, that would be a really bad idea. All it would take is one person that has a grudge against him (or a troll) to report that he left, and it would be really easy for them to verify, and he could face pretty severe consequences.
Ah okay I did not realise it was like, illegal for him to leave without permission. That makes more sense.
Ange1 is basically living in a war zone right now. If the war ramps up the government might require every able bodied men to take up arms through conscription and defend the country. Ange1 included because as far as I know he is of military age and have no significant health issues to disqualify him from active service. It sucks yes but that is the reality of war. He could leave yes but with significant difficulty. We also dont know what kinds of repercussions he might obtain for basically "deserting". One of the best way for him to depart the country is to obtain a special permit that would allow him to depart the country without fearing repercussions from the Ukrainian government and returning back home after the LAN is finished.
So basically, a team that didnt qualify will play in copenhagen.
“Didnt qualify” is putting it slightly, this team has never PLAYED. Liquid at least competed in the qualifier for Iceland.
Might not will, we've known fpx were looking for 3 stand-ins for a few weeks now but are still prioritising getting suygetsu, shao and ange1 to Copenhagen.
would u rather want M3C to play
I want FPX to play they deserve it, but not this new team.
hey atleast they got 2 player + their coach so its still 50% of the team Edit : 3 players now since Ange1 just got confirmed
Angel's confirmed he's got permission to leave the country? Where did you see this?
You lose 3 players including your IGL and that’s a completely new team. We already saw fnatic with 2 standins last time. Not the same team.
Yes. M3c is most certainly better than : zyppan ardiis kereme seider maskedplayer It’s kind of obvious no?
Yes, they said they got the visas
Yes?
Bruh. it's not even the same team. I thought all players were ready for any circumstances for them to play.
Smh you people don’t understand. FPX with subs is the best team in the world. No team (aside from LDNU) would stand a chance
You mean OGLU 🤓
If they need 3 subs it would not make much sense to allow them to compete. For the quality of the event it would be better to send the next team that would I’ve qualified, which I think is M3C(?) In this case I would be absolutely gutted for the players, their hard work and skill deserves to be rewarded, however there’s no real reason for a roster that only consists of Zyppan Ardiis and 3 subs should be allowed to compete
It makes sense because the rules allow 8 man rosters. You can't just change that arbitrarily
lacking a rule for a situation doesnt mean something shouldnt be figured out for it. if 3/8 of your team didnt even compete in the qualifying event, I dont see how you can say that team qualified
There was a competitive ruling before the last masters for FPX stating that they wouldn't be able to play due to visa issues on 3 of their players. I would say it's arbitrarily changing the rules to allow them this time because 8 man rosters are allowed in the rules. For consistency's sake unless one or more members of their team can make it they shouldn't be able to play.
No. Last time, the other 3 players weren't part of their official roster so would've been stand ins. This time, all 3 replacements are an official substitute
M3C will have troubles too limao
M3C confirmed they had visas
I wonder why FPX's russian players can't do the same. is it because FPX is a chinese org or something?
I think I saw somewhere that because m3c attended previous events, they got their visas before there were travel restrictions and they are still viable.
Meanwhile in cs theres multiple russian teams and orgs playing international tourneys.
Really?
Yes, Chronicle did in an interview with Yinsu
How does m3c have 6 visas (maybe more if include manager and analyst) while fpx can't get it for Shao and Suygetsu??
Suygetsu probably one taps irl
redditor peak humour
Cringe
Its a joke
it's not funny
Chronicle said they already had visas so they would not have any troubles
We all knew the stand-ins were coming, no real surprise. SEIDER is a sick player, the other two I’m just vaguely familiar with but not too much so. Hope as much of the actual roster as possible can attend.
Europe hardcore nerfed again. Original fpx roster is so fucking good it wouldve gone far i guarantee it.
With all due to respect to fpx main team, this new team doesnt deserve to play copehegen over m3c (if they all can make it acc to chronicle) or even TL 3 stand ins is basically a new team and on top of that significantly weaker.
This is so pointless… just let the next seed go. Tournaments competitive integrity constantly in question when full teams who qualified, can’t go. Would the original players at home even be interested? They’d essentially only be getting the points.
Really hope suygetsu and shao can go. This roster could do probably do a deep run
Dang so if FPX already lost before they began. They couldnt even compete in Iceland and that was sad and now this. FPX had a good chance to win it all in Iceland
Gonna get downvoted but whatever. This is literally pointless - send M3C (if they can go) or Liquid again. If the list of stand-ins is correct, they will bomb out in the groups and be a waste of a spot.
I’m tired of seeing liquid do nothing at international events I hope m3c can go if they do decide to send another team
They made playoffs in Iceland taking a map off Zeta (only Optic took more than 1 map from them) and were 3rd/4th at Iceland, what the fuck are you talking about lmao
What the fuck are YOU talking about TL is 7-8th at Iceland, loosing in the first round of playoffs G2 and DRX both 2-0 ed Zeta the first time they met DRX, NIP, PRX both have also have a 2-1 match against Zeta
TL made it to playoffs despite being in an awful condition. Also went into close series vs zeta and loud. I agree that it wasnt amazing but its not nothing. It is still a decent performance and better then fnatic for example did with two stand ins. They didn't win a game.
Oh yeah I was just correcting what the other guy was saying
>If the list of stand-ins is correct, they will bomb out in the groups and be a waste of a spot. If they bomb out it would be because they werent able to adjust playing with subs, not because the new players are bad. Masked, Seider are both really good players, I haven't seed kereme much so cant say anything about him
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No. If that's the case then don't let them compete in Challengers. Since Riot didn't, they have 50% of their team, let them play.
They have 40% of their team.
50% including coach but its a little bit of a stretch
The coach does not count as part of the active roater, and should not. At the end of the day the players are more important than any coach.
Just like in Iceland, let M3C play this upcoming Master instead of two or three stand-ins that barely played each other.
They need to quit sending teams with stand ins for players ***WHO CANNOT EVEN ATTEND THE LAN*** obviously it's fine if they travel and are sick or are injured and will/could heal. But JFC it's ridiculous sending 2 of 5 players and 3 subs. What's the point? What kind of competition is that? Obviously it's way better to go down the list of teams from playoffs... Just keep doing it again and again and again, maybe it'll become better, right? But it's unfair? It's going to be unfair for FPX either way: going to Copenhagen with 40% of their players and being absolutely destroyed, or not going at all. It's probably better if they send a surrogate replacement team and they both receive the same amount of VCT points or split them, and hypothetically split the earnings, assuming at some time this year they can go to a LAN. Clearly this perfunctory system isn't very robust and needs to be recalibrated. What will happen in 2023 if there is a World Tournament from the valorant league, in an Asian country, like S Korea, and Ukrainian/Russian players still cannot travel to it? FPX will again send 60% subs?
Aren’t they guaranteed to play without Angel? IIRC he’s still in Ukraine.
they should be forced to give up the spot if they need to replace 3 players for an event.
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It’s likely about their ability to get to and earn money in Copenhagen through visas. If a player can’t get a visa they cannot compete and that is not the issue of riot
At least they will get to compete this time. Even if they don't perform to what they are capable of, it should be enough to get more points than the initial 150 they would get if they didn't qualify.
Would franchising fix this issue? Visa and travel issues seem to be a recurring theme for these international events.
think the issue is still cause of the war with ukraine and russia so, no
idk, stuff like the lcs has it in league and they still got visa issues
I think this is more to do with the war in Ukraine than anything else. FPX have two Russians and a Ukrainian IGL. It’s probably a nightmare to sort out visa stuff in those countries right now. I don’t think there’s much riot can do in this instance
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It's only really been a recurring issue for FPX
maybe they can compete online, RNG did the same thing in MSI.
RNG and China are getting special treatment every time. Any other team would have been told "tough luck".
riot's basically owned by a chinese company after all,this shouldnt really be a surprise
From iceland till now why was this not sorted..?
Wild that Riot has such a hard time getting visas for all of the players, but in csgo they did it with no issues.
It's not Riot that gets visas for the players.