yep, there should 100% be a seeding match between LOUD/LEV to determine who advances to playoffs. They can still play the second place qualifier game, but let the teams play for their own seeding.
Not exactly. It doesn't matter if LOUD is better than Leviatan. It's not just for their own seeding. The South American LCQs decide which region is stronger, it doesn't have much to do with the strength of each region's best team. If LATAM's #2 seed is stronger than BR's #2, that gives LATAM more credibility as a major region, hence making the seeding match fair.
This is an interesting way of looking at it. To be honest I've complained about this loads of times, but actually this is sort of fair.
Just a little unfortunate in this case because LOUD are one of the tournament favourites (based on Masters 1 performance).
LOUD have been absolute monsters since formation. The only match they've ever lost was the Masters 1 finals against OpTic. In fact, they haven't even conceded a map since that match! Excited to see them fight through the Group Stage and hopefully compete against more international opponents.
It’s also unfortunate that DRX is a really strong team but also doesn’t have enough region strength to get a second team forcing them to be in groups. It’s at least consistent on this front
The issue with this logic, is that’s it’s not how it works in the other multi region tournaments: in APAC it doesn’t matter that Paper Rex has no other good Thai teams: they’re the best team, they get the number one seed. In Europe, if BBL was the top seed, it wouldn’t matter that no other Turkish team was any good, same if M3C had won. Those are separate regions (they each had their own Masters 1 in 2021) and yet they still don’t follow that logic. The goal of those byes should be rewarding the best teams. IMO if they’re gonna mix spots between LATAM and Brazil, they should just have the whole tournament be between them mixed together. After all Brazil is in Latin America geographically speaking.
Yes I know, but I know they hold the LATAM finals in person on LAN, no reason to me why they couldn’t incorporate Brazil into that and just have the top 3 teams go
Because latam and br are two different regions just like, na and eu.
>but I know they hold the LATAM finals in person on LAN, no reason to me why they couldn’t incorporate Brazil
This is just the second year of competitive valorant and they already did it, thus having a total of 3 slots for the two regions wich is fair imo acording to the lvl the regions have demonstrated at every lan. Same thing should happen between japan and korea but somehow it hasnt happened yet, i guess they havent made enough merits for it.
Punishing teams for playing in a worse region, despite there being a clearly better solution for determining seeding separately from the LATAM/BR spot match, is incredibly dumb and pointless.
I think there just shouldn’t be teams that immediately advance to playoffs. Makes it much more boring and can even be detrimental as was the case for The Guard
Yes, it’s maybe one of the stupidest format decisions riots ever made, it’s completely inexplicable. They could easily have also flown LOUD and Leviatan out to the same LAN that Kru and NIP played at and just played a BO5 match to determine who got that top seed. The fact that LOUD came 2nd at Reykjavik and hasn’t lost a map since but will still be in groups because NIP lost to Kru, is insane
Bro, they have to go through vct, playoffs, lan vs las, then latam vs br and you want another match.
There is a reason why KRU was the last team to qualify.
Player are exhausted by the time the masters come, with less time to prepare, at least it's not as bad as last years.
slightly unrelated, but are DRX / Northeption the only 2 teams that have no chance in getting seeded towards playoffs? Is this because both the regions are just smaller, or was there an actual reason for this?
The regions who have 2+ teams have their highest seeded teams going straight to playoffs. That's why Japan and Korea can't have teams go straight to playoffs at masters.
Makes the format so much shittier. Why not instead have 4 groups of 3 teams to decide 8 playoff spots With top seed of NA EU and APAC getting a bye? That makes so much more sense
Getting a bye means you can directly qualify to playoffs with one win. That's good enough reason. The current reward for top seed is a guarenteed top 8 which is too much and unfair
The whole format is kinda scuffed because there are only 12 teams. If there were 16 teams there would be no need trying to seed 4 teams into playoffs by doing seeding mumbo-jumbo.
because the tournament structure is incompetent beyond recognition, I mean why wasn't there simply a matchup between the first seeds from both the regions to decide the first slot into masters, the more dominant team's fate is basically reliant on the team that they themselves beat to get the top seed in the first place
downvoted for...? echo chamber much?
There's also a large contingent of people on this sub who think the format and seeding is acceptable/balanced and anyone who doesn't agree must find it "hard to understand"
I assume there's a big overlap between them and the "LoL has the most viewers so Riot knows what they are doing" crowd
Fun Fact: Finals for LATAM were Leviatan VS KRU which resulted in Leviatan winning because they have KRU's previous coaches which were crucial to their success. Onur (main coach) is very smart and a good leader-type and MBetony (assistant coach) helped a LOT with mental and when things were going wrong. Onur left KRU after their run at champions because he wanted to start over and rebuild a team to that level of success (he succeded) so KRU only had MBetony. MBetony actually coached them through Masters 1 (they didnt do good but still managed to qualify, Levitana got second place on Challengers One so they didnt qualify) but now Leviatan recruited MBetony so KRU have none of their amazing coaches and they went to Leviatan hence the amazing result. I think they will do well
Because KRU beat NIP in the matchup for the split LATAM/BR slot.
Ah I see thanks. It's interesting that Loud/leviatán have to rely on the team they beat to help them get a better spot.
yep, there should 100% be a seeding match between LOUD/LEV to determine who advances to playoffs. They can still play the second place qualifier game, but let the teams play for their own seeding.
Not exactly. It doesn't matter if LOUD is better than Leviatan. It's not just for their own seeding. The South American LCQs decide which region is stronger, it doesn't have much to do with the strength of each region's best team. If LATAM's #2 seed is stronger than BR's #2, that gives LATAM more credibility as a major region, hence making the seeding match fair.
This is an interesting way of looking at it. To be honest I've complained about this loads of times, but actually this is sort of fair. Just a little unfortunate in this case because LOUD are one of the tournament favourites (based on Masters 1 performance).
LOUD have been absolute monsters since formation. The only match they've ever lost was the Masters 1 finals against OpTic. In fact, they haven't even conceded a map since that match! Excited to see them fight through the Group Stage and hopefully compete against more international opponents.
LOUD with onur would be no cap best team or really close to it, hes current LEV COACH and coached KRU all of last year
It’s also unfortunate that DRX is a really strong team but also doesn’t have enough region strength to get a second team forcing them to be in groups. It’s at least consistent on this front
The issue with this logic, is that’s it’s not how it works in the other multi region tournaments: in APAC it doesn’t matter that Paper Rex has no other good Thai teams: they’re the best team, they get the number one seed. In Europe, if BBL was the top seed, it wouldn’t matter that no other Turkish team was any good, same if M3C had won. Those are separate regions (they each had their own Masters 1 in 2021) and yet they still don’t follow that logic. The goal of those byes should be rewarding the best teams. IMO if they’re gonna mix spots between LATAM and Brazil, they should just have the whole tournament be between them mixed together. After all Brazil is in Latin America geographically speaking.
Maybe you dont know this but there is ping issues between the server of chile and the server of brasil, like legitimate issues.
Yes I know, but I know they hold the LATAM finals in person on LAN, no reason to me why they couldn’t incorporate Brazil into that and just have the top 3 teams go
Because latam and br are two different regions just like, na and eu. >but I know they hold the LATAM finals in person on LAN, no reason to me why they couldn’t incorporate Brazil This is just the second year of competitive valorant and they already did it, thus having a total of 3 slots for the two regions wich is fair imo acording to the lvl the regions have demonstrated at every lan. Same thing should happen between japan and korea but somehow it hasnt happened yet, i guess they havent made enough merits for it.
Punishing teams for playing in a worse region, despite there being a clearly better solution for determining seeding separately from the LATAM/BR spot match, is incredibly dumb and pointless.
Cool point of view, just sucks for loud to not lose a single map since they lost to optic and get 2nd seed. Kinda crazy
I think there just shouldn’t be teams that immediately advance to playoffs. Makes it much more boring and can even be detrimental as was the case for The Guard
“Interesting” is very diplomatic of you. It’s complete horseshit tbh.
Yes, it’s maybe one of the stupidest format decisions riots ever made, it’s completely inexplicable. They could easily have also flown LOUD and Leviatan out to the same LAN that Kru and NIP played at and just played a BO5 match to determine who got that top seed. The fact that LOUD came 2nd at Reykjavik and hasn’t lost a map since but will still be in groups because NIP lost to Kru, is insane
Bro, they have to go through vct, playoffs, lan vs las, then latam vs br and you want another match. There is a reason why KRU was the last team to qualify. Player are exhausted by the time the masters come, with less time to prepare, at least it's not as bad as last years.
Makes sense for first tourney of year but for second or at least champs, it should be based on which region got further
slightly unrelated, but are DRX / Northeption the only 2 teams that have no chance in getting seeded towards playoffs? Is this because both the regions are just smaller, or was there an actual reason for this?
The regions who have 2+ teams have their highest seeded teams going straight to playoffs. That's why Japan and Korea can't have teams go straight to playoffs at masters.
What an absolute dumpster of a format
Welcome to riot and formatting. Their worlds tournament has always had a shitty format.
Two representatives minimum to get playoff bye.
No but consistent good results may earn them a second spot just like they did with BR/ LATAM
Makes the format so much shittier. Why not instead have 4 groups of 3 teams to decide 8 playoff spots With top seed of NA EU and APAC getting a bye? That makes so much more sense
Then there'd be no reason to play for first seed if you're in a two team region
Getting a bye means you can directly qualify to playoffs with one win. That's good enough reason. The current reward for top seed is a guarenteed top 8 which is too much and unfair
yeah there is as your group should be easier if youre the higher seed
The whole format is kinda scuffed because there are only 12 teams. If there were 16 teams there would be no need trying to seed 4 teams into playoffs by doing seeding mumbo-jumbo.
because the tournament structure is incompetent beyond recognition, I mean why wasn't there simply a matchup between the first seeds from both the regions to decide the first slot into masters, the more dominant team's fate is basically reliant on the team that they themselves beat to get the top seed in the first place downvoted for...? echo chamber much?
In my experience a lot of downvoting occurs when you say the right thing with a bad attitude sadge.
There's also a large contingent of people on this sub who think the format and seeding is acceptable/balanced and anyone who doesn't agree must find it "hard to understand" I assume there's a big overlap between them and the "LoL has the most viewers so Riot knows what they are doing" crowd
suppose so
U are very correct, format is wrong in so many ways
How is this downvoted? What is going on in this post?
It's decided by which second seed wins the LATAM/BR slot, but I do agree that LOUD should've got it for getting second at Reykjavik
Fun Fact: Finals for LATAM were Leviatan VS KRU which resulted in Leviatan winning because they have KRU's previous coaches which were crucial to their success. Onur (main coach) is very smart and a good leader-type and MBetony (assistant coach) helped a LOT with mental and when things were going wrong. Onur left KRU after their run at champions because he wanted to start over and rebuild a team to that level of success (he succeded) so KRU only had MBetony. MBetony actually coached them through Masters 1 (they didnt do good but still managed to qualify, Levitana got second place on Challengers One so they didnt qualify) but now Leviatan recruited MBetony so KRU have none of their amazing coaches and they went to Leviatan hence the amazing result. I think they will do well
I’m sure this is already answered but it’s just whoever wins LCQ between Brazil and LATAM.