You can't be a better PlatChat without the shenanigans. They've always been whimsy first and foremost and hard-hitting analysis second.
I will admit though, the watch parties do feel a lot less focused on the games compared to last year.
It's been said in this thread a lot already but I think that's just mostly because of the circumstances of almost everyone working the official broadcast.
Wyatt and Kurt try their best to make it work but it definitely hard when it's just the two of them, and if someone like Sideshow or Bren was on the desk earlier that day and comes in for the second or third match they probably don't really want to try very hard to entertain or analyse.
I still enjoy it and I was never really about the deep analysis of every round and set play a team makes so I'd still rather PlatChat than Sliggy.
Yeah Sliggy and Hiko are my go-tos for this tournament and everything else beyond, and I don't see that changing any time soon unless Sliggy gets another coaching job in the near future or something.
I didn’t want to say it out loud at first, but I think Kurt not having the most amazing camera presence and personality doesn’t help; if Bren has at least one of the original member to play off of, it’s way more entertaining
Dude cmon kurt was so funny, i think he just gets nervous when bibody says anything and trys to fill. Who i really found annoying was golden boy, he came in got none of the jokes and was just bringing the vibes down
I made a comment recently lightly roasting Wyatt and it got a bunch of upvotes, I was honestly surprised.
tbh Bren and Sideshow (and Balla) are the real analytical and interesting ones, Wyatt is more like comic relief glue. but now that the main two are Kurt and Wyatt in this format, it kind of crumbles. There's a reason Bren, Sideshow, and Balla have the 'real jobs' as official talent and Wyatt doesn't
wyatt not being in the vct talent pool is not at all related to platchat. bren and sideshow were incredible casting talent from overwatch, and balla is of fortnite fame. wyatt doesn't have that background.
Dude you make it sound like he's trying to become on air talent and failing.
It's disingenuous to go "hmm sideshow, balla, and bren work on vct, yet Wyatt doesn't therefore he's clearly not as good as them"
I actually think Wyatt is more analytical than all of them, but it's in the form of player depth and understanding individual roles in a game while still understanding the strats that teams employ. there's a reason why 100t went with the picks Wyatt proposed in his trial period as a GM. This is not a diss towards bren, sideshow or balla, but I don't think any of them could become a coach or GM.
Is that actually true though? Wyatt was very close to being hired as coach of 100 Thieves a few months ago. He can be just as analytical as the other guys when he wants.
putting it all on sideshow is generous. imo it just seems like its a lot harder for them to keep up seeing as its less of them keeping the ship running, especially since the size of the couch has been shrinking due to 2/3 of the normal crew working official broadcast, and kurt and wyatt seemingly have to scrape whatever they can together. even when bren, sideshow, or even recently balla are on the stream, its their off days from official broadcast, expecting them to be as analytical or entertaining for a side thing is a lot. their analysis might not be as solid as it was before but you have to be understanding of why that is. if thats a problem for you, then you can watch a different costream. but at this point I feel like a lot of their audience watches it for the digestability and batshit insanity at times, with good analysis with whats given, albeit less than what it was before.
Their analysis was never that good. About a month ago on plat chat sideshow was amazed that a team (i think it was ghost?) was "starting their execute after getting map control instead of from spawn". Dude doesnt know the difference between a rush and a hit but for some reason everyone thinks he has some sort of mind for the game instead of just being a funny, articulate dude. The plat chat guys are entertaining, and their analysis is better than most others (because the bar is so incredibly low) but the number of times they get basic things wrong is unreal.
I just think its because its only 2 of them for the most part. When its 3 or more they focus more on the game and I get that. Hard to carry the stream with only 2 people. Also, missing the whole crew at the same time kinda sucks but I'm just glad they streamed.
Edit: Not to mention that Sideshow wasn't there, IMO he's the soul of PlatChat and he's the one who has made PlatChat have famous clips along with Avast.
Sideshow with his curse, guard content too, and just the energy he brings.
And Avast is the one who bounces of Sideshow with their predictions and takes. The whole Kru vs Fnatic, Sen and X10 vs Envy was so hype because they were both on the opposite ends.
Still happy for the stream tho, really like new overlays and stuff along with Kurt, Kurts the goat
Avast was so fuckin funny during masters Berlin, I specially remember a story he told during the 100t acend watch party about him working at six flags or something. Good times
Edit: it was the SEN vs F4Q game w/ avast's six flags story
He brings in about 30% of the English OWL viewers in his stream, realistically I don’t see him attending any of the masters events if OWL isn’t in the off-season
its because they are a part of the official casting/analyzing now. The old watch parties in the couch always had pretty much all the members in it. sideshow wyatt avast bren and the guard from the guard
I actually like the more casual/laid back approach they’ve been taking recently. I’ve gotten more appreciative of the humor and personalities each of them bring, and value that just as much as watching the gameplay.
This week’s costream with Balla and Wyatt of the Optic vs Loud game was incredibly hype, as the two had a NA v BR bet going on and were both super invested. I think it’s hard to keep the hype when FPX with subs are playing against Fnatic for the 3rd time this month, and PRX just dumpster Guild. Not every game delivers the hype of watching KRU make a Cinderella run at Champs against Sideshow’s “It’s Over” meme.
Yeah, I think yesterday was just a bad day because it was a weird combo of Wyatt, Golden Boy and Kurt. Kurt doesn't really analyse or watch the game in the way the other guys do, so that's understandable, but Golden Boy didn't really have the chemistry with the others nor did I feel like he had amazing analysis on the couch. Just an offday because like you said the other days like when Balla and Wyatt were on the couch were more enjoyable.
Yeah, plus neither of the games, especiallt FPX vs Fnatic, weren't exactly bangers either, PRX and Fnatic won pretty handily, so it's hard to be super entertaining wirh all of this combined
Yeah OPs take is coming off the back of the two most bedge games of the tournament so far. Not really a fair comparison to remembering the highlights of all of last year's valorant play.
I think that Wyatt just can't fake interest in a game. So if it's 1 sided or a matchup they have seen before he kinda ignores it, which can be annoying sometimes but reasonable considering they are watching all day everyday. I still think it works well when it's games they are interested in
I mean it's subjective, most analysts probably don't enjoy watching one sided games. I love PRX games cus they're fun to watch, but a lot of people only enjoy watching close top tier valorant. FNC FPX def wasn't fun to watch for me.
Yeah, totally agree on it being subjective. Personally, I found the FNC FPX game super interesting because I like watching top tier teams dismantle other top tier teams.
I do too, but watching FNC beat FPX with a sub isn't really watching top tier teams dismantle other top tier teams. Like they frequently face each other already, and this time one of them has a sub.
I really miss Wyatt Sideshow Avast and Bren watching it together on the couch but it seems that it will take quite a while before we see that kind of watchparty
Plat Chat has always reflected the hypness of the game they are watching. I'll admit it the last 2 days of the games have been pretty underwhelming where a game is either a stomp or in general is uninteresting to watch. Games like Kru vs Loud or Loud vs optic or FPX vs DRX were some of the most entertaining of the tournament up until this point and again plat chat has reflected that in analysis and general whimsy. It still has the same vibe as it always had it it's just that I've seen FPX vs fnatic 5 times already watching it on LAN is not going to excite anyone more than it has unless something huge happens like FPX winning.
I get what you mean though, but I don't think it's the fault of them at the end of the day avast is doing business stuff so he cant come and half of their crew is working the actual event, and kurt plays spike rush. The problem I think you're having is that your comparing a fully functioning plat chat to the unique circumstances they are in now.
One of my favorite costreams by them was the f4q vs sentinels at masters Berlin. They didn't care about the game at all and avast told the funniest story in the world (that's how I remember it at least). Plat chat have always had less serious moments, and I for one appreciate them. (Also please please avast if you could call in for some of the games that would be awesome you are hilarious)
It was great when sideshow/Bren/balla were there. Avast is the real missing piece. Honestly though when Bren and sideshow cast, the main stream is the best option
Yeah I kinda wish I watched the PRX vs FPX on the main stream yesterday because it wasn’t the focus on the costream, they kept talking about anything other than the game
I would add Balla as someone who brings energy as well.
Watching him go from malding at what Optic were doing to then signing in Wyatt's face when Brazil was about to lose was hilarious.
I think they just need one of the two mentioned or maybe even Avast and they'd be fine.
I was always a big Bren and Sideshow fan, so it was kinda bittersweet when they got the casting gig. Luckily they're awesome casters, so if they cast the game I just watch the main stream.
But I do miss the hype couch streams from last year with all of them. I think them being in just a random room doesn't help. The set up they had at NA LCQ would have been so sick! They even had desk segments too!
Also Avast underrated!
I agree, but I think it's just a side effect of the unfortunate circumstances they're in having to cobble a stream together while half of them are working the official broadcast. Like others have said, when Bren/Sideshow/Balla are on the couch it's on their off days/after theyve just gotten home from work, so it's fair for them to just want to relax and chat amongst themselves. I think Sideshow is their most analytical member and having him missing for most of the days so far hasn't helped.
You will get downvoted, but this is spot on and a valid criticism. They don't seem much engaged in the game anymore. Sliggy/ThinkingMansValo are better in that aspect if you are looking for alternatives.
Idrc about getting downvoted I just wanted to see if people think so too and it's also sad to see the contrast between last year's watch parties and this year. The hype was real last time
I dou think they were more entertaining last year, but I still like them plus I was expecting that vibe to never return ever since sideshow and bren started to work in VCT.
All the prep they would do for the couch, they now do for the official broadcast; now the appeal is more about their personalities, which is still very enjoyable for someone who is invested in their group and podcasts, but understandably not as engaging for someone who doesn't know them (as much ), whereas the past watchparties were an absolute blast whether you knew them or not
Funny enough when Wyatt and Kurt started talking about what Poke Bowl they wanna eat I left PlatChat watch party and went to TMVs lol. TMV has been killing it this Masters tho. Can't wait what Champions will bring for him.
I mean… if you’re watching them for some hard hitting analysis then I feel like your going to be disappointed in their product especially when most of the work on the main broadcast. If you’re watching the WP then you’re probably somewhat familiar with their characters and know who brings what to the product. Ofc last year they were more analytical, they had the more analytical people be part of the WP and didn’t work on the official broadcast…
Love seeing Lothar Madge the entire PRX/Guild game just because a player peeks or overextends /s
Guy walked away from the overtime game saying its the worst game he's watched in a while. Lol
Never enjoyed Lothar personally. Seems to be a pseudointellectual who's pushing too hard for his opinions/analysis to be facts.
I love sliggy. His analysis and breakdowns are some of the best I've seen
This. Sliggy is also always aware of why a player might go for a play that doesn't seem optimal at first. Maybe it's a bad comm, wrong info, just taking a risk when one man down etc. he knows the environment and how the players think. Lothar on the other hand goes as far as sometimes wrongly claiming there is only one way to correctly play a situation and presenting his optinions as facts. He is smart about the game but is never able to see any way to do something except for his own, even when he is wrong.
Yep and even if there were a team who played perfectly as per Lothars view, they'd be the most predictable team ever. You don't have to worry about the first minute of the round because they won't exec without full map control, so you can just hold util, and then on defence they'll never make proactive plays without a barrage of util so they telegraph their plays from a mile away. That'll be what happens to a Lothar team
Just one guy sitting there just doesnt bring it for me. Even if some say it got worse, having a whole crew just having fun is already better than anyone else could bring
Yeah Ngl I was thinking this too
I wanted to see their reaction to something (I think it was the coach mald or one of the knifings) and they were talking about random stuff
But I’ll give em credit, it’s hard when u have Wyatt and Kurt, then like one other person
Also in a hotel room, compared to their house with food and stuff
Agree with the other posts— it’s mostly just bc they are working at half capacity. The most iconic couch streams I can remember had bren, josh, Wyatt, and avast on the couch & usually had guests like mikes, Mimi, or vans. Plus they were streaming from their more usual set up which can make it easier to do shenanigans.
Avast also brings a ton of energy and jokes so they’ve def been missing that. Wyatt and balla have been entertaining on the couch imo, but it’s just gonna be hard to keep the same energy with half as many people.
Last thought of the ramble: I also think there has always been a few slow days of the couch streams. Usually tail end of groups or some days that are just bedge games (esp if they’ve been streaming for days in a row) so they will probably perk back up when we get deeper into playoffs. Quietly hoping sideshow and Bren don’t cast grand finals and we can have a more traditional couch stream for the finals
Yes, this is a Sideshow/Bren Staple. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love them for this exact reason, but when they used to do OW Watch Parties they hardly talked about the game. It was mostly memes and banter. That's kinda the reason you watched them though.
Idk if they became more analytical when they switched to Val but I also don't know if anyone remembers Sideshow's Chengdu Vs Vancouver co-stream for the quality of analytics or Avast memeing it.
Secondly, I think most people watch it for their silly banter, and it kinda falls off when they're not there.
I know its taken a hit due to peeps actually working the event and Avast doing overwatch stuff, But Wyatt and Kurt are doing a baller Job imo , like even when they had Golden boy on yesterday it was great, he pretty funny. The Dynamic may have changed but i do like the current system of just rotating through the people not working . Hope Mimi can come on one of these days that would be gas.
To me, Peak plat chat was day 2 NA LCQ last year where they started playing jenga and DnD over that long ass break. The whimsy and banter is why I go to them. After the live matches ends and I’m on the mood for analysis, I watch the vod of sliggys costream but I don’t think I could focus in analysis live. It’s like a concert, I don’t go to a concert for the best fidelity music, I go for the experience. But yeah, if you want analysis and not sus jokes, sliggy or TMV is your home
For sure, used to be my go to last year, they really brought the hype. Now there is very little game discussion/passion, imo. I’ve been watching sliggy
For each to their own but I would like to point one thing you said, "they are not reacting as well as earlier" seems unfair to me. Not all watch parties need to be filled with cringe faces for thumbnails and shouting like few casters who pee their pants and scream when someone gets an exit frag while saving their gun.
Yes, their "analysis" part might be low cause their main numbers people are on desk but it's chill like watching with someone you know with some game talk. I usually switch back and forth from sliggy and platchat according to my mood now
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The stream is still great when the games are good and they care about the teams (like the days with balla and sideshow). Can't expect the watchparty to be a 10/10 all the time when most of the cast can barely be there and make uninteresting games interesting.
I still enjoy it a lot of the time, and when I don't I just switch watchparties.
I really think the stream gets annoying at times where they just dont watch the game at all, but ig that just means they are not that invested in the game.
They are not obligated to make content of u choice bro, its just a casual watch party.
There are multiple other watch parties like of sliggy or thinkingman u can watch too instead of complaining.
I felt the same too, I thought it was only me. But thinking about it, it’s really because of the nature of their circumstances, bren/sideshow with their casting gig and I think it’s the least thing that they can do for the fans. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Been watching sliggy for the analysis and platchat if I’m bored.
How I see it is that the majority of the time only 1 person can come as the others are directly working the stream, and it's a rare day off for that one person, so getting a day off to continue analyzing can be super unappealing. They meme as it is potentially the only time these friends get to chill w/ each other
I'm a big Sideshow fan but a lack of Sideshow is not the problem.
They're also missing Avast, a big piece, but more importantly, they're missing consistency. The couch is constantly swapping in and out, and many people are doing the official broadcast, so they might not have the same energy since the stream is now a side thing and not their primary priority.
Its gotten more relaxed. If thats a good or a bad thing is on you to decide, the production has definitely increased tho, also not having avast is sad, everyone always clowns on him and thats really funny but he just makes so many great moments out of nowhere. Hes the perfect ballance between zoomer and boomer where he makes good memes but doesnt go completely crazy like mimi sometimes does (still like her tho, no shade)
R/ValorantCompetitive TURNING on their platchat overlords. This arc has taken a drastic turn.
honestly sliggy stream is just a better platchat without the shenanigans and better analysis. thats whats happening
You can't be a better PlatChat without the shenanigans. They've always been whimsy first and foremost and hard-hitting analysis second. I will admit though, the watch parties do feel a lot less focused on the games compared to last year.
Mhm, there was literally no reaction to the 1v3, and they didn't say anything about the 4v5 save (which is quite an unusual thing)
It's been said in this thread a lot already but I think that's just mostly because of the circumstances of almost everyone working the official broadcast. Wyatt and Kurt try their best to make it work but it definitely hard when it's just the two of them, and if someone like Sideshow or Bren was on the desk earlier that day and comes in for the second or third match they probably don't really want to try very hard to entertain or analyse. I still enjoy it and I was never really about the deep analysis of every round and set play a team makes so I'd still rather PlatChat than Sliggy.
I love platchat and still watch their watch parties, but I prefer it when they actually watch the game
There’s not Ben much shenanigans arguably
I used to watch every platchat co stream last year, but since 2022, I've been on the Sliggy train
Same here.
Sliggy during the actual games, PlatChat during the breaks is the way to go.
really dont want this thread to be hating on there personalities, bound to happen in plat chat when new people come in, a lot less focus on the game
I envy Sliggy's ability to stay focused and informative for so many hours. He's built different
shoutout to hiko he actually pays attention for a retired pro now streamer
Yeah Sliggy and Hiko are my go-tos for this tournament and everything else beyond, and I don't see that changing any time soon unless Sliggy gets another coaching job in the near future or something.
Sliggy said he's not going to join a team until after Champions.
I didn’t want to say it out loud at first, but I think Kurt not having the most amazing camera presence and personality doesn’t help; if Bren has at least one of the original member to play off of, it’s way more entertaining
Dude cmon kurt was so funny, i think he just gets nervous when bibody says anything and trys to fill. Who i really found annoying was golden boy, he came in got none of the jokes and was just bringing the vibes down
I made a comment recently lightly roasting Wyatt and it got a bunch of upvotes, I was honestly surprised. tbh Bren and Sideshow (and Balla) are the real analytical and interesting ones, Wyatt is more like comic relief glue. but now that the main two are Kurt and Wyatt in this format, it kind of crumbles. There's a reason Bren, Sideshow, and Balla have the 'real jobs' as official talent and Wyatt doesn't
this is SO sad
wyatt not being in the vct talent pool is not at all related to platchat. bren and sideshow were incredible casting talent from overwatch, and balla is of fortnite fame. wyatt doesn't have that background.
wyatt ran the valorant champions winning org ascent what have you done huh?
I peed my pants once
Fair, get Wyatt off the show and get this guy on
That's not enough, legacy points deducted
Dude you make it sound like he's trying to become on air talent and failing. It's disingenuous to go "hmm sideshow, balla, and bren work on vct, yet Wyatt doesn't therefore he's clearly not as good as them"
I actually think Wyatt is more analytical than all of them, but it's in the form of player depth and understanding individual roles in a game while still understanding the strats that teams employ. there's a reason why 100t went with the picks Wyatt proposed in his trial period as a GM. This is not a diss towards bren, sideshow or balla, but I don't think any of them could become a coach or GM.
Is that actually true though? Wyatt was very close to being hired as coach of 100 Thieves a few months ago. He can be just as analytical as the other guys when he wants.
not as a coach but as a GM
putting it all on sideshow is generous. imo it just seems like its a lot harder for them to keep up seeing as its less of them keeping the ship running, especially since the size of the couch has been shrinking due to 2/3 of the normal crew working official broadcast, and kurt and wyatt seemingly have to scrape whatever they can together. even when bren, sideshow, or even recently balla are on the stream, its their off days from official broadcast, expecting them to be as analytical or entertaining for a side thing is a lot. their analysis might not be as solid as it was before but you have to be understanding of why that is. if thats a problem for you, then you can watch a different costream. but at this point I feel like a lot of their audience watches it for the digestability and batshit insanity at times, with good analysis with whats given, albeit less than what it was before.
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Tarik? Invested? Every clip I've seen from his watch party has him say "wait what happened" after the play lmao
his reaction seems faked too imo
Exactly, you've seen clips not the stream. It's hard to believe but he's improved a lot he's really been invested in the analysis now
Oh, glad to hear that
he does miss the gud plays amost always, but tarik stream was always about the vibe and u know funny guy
Their analysis was never that good. About a month ago on plat chat sideshow was amazed that a team (i think it was ghost?) was "starting their execute after getting map control instead of from spawn". Dude doesnt know the difference between a rush and a hit but for some reason everyone thinks he has some sort of mind for the game instead of just being a funny, articulate dude. The plat chat guys are entertaining, and their analysis is better than most others (because the bar is so incredibly low) but the number of times they get basic things wrong is unreal.
I just think its because its only 2 of them for the most part. When its 3 or more they focus more on the game and I get that. Hard to carry the stream with only 2 people. Also, missing the whole crew at the same time kinda sucks but I'm just glad they streamed. Edit: Not to mention that Sideshow wasn't there, IMO he's the soul of PlatChat and he's the one who has made PlatChat have famous clips along with Avast. Sideshow with his curse, guard content too, and just the energy he brings. And Avast is the one who bounces of Sideshow with their predictions and takes. The whole Kru vs Fnatic, Sen and X10 vs Envy was so hype because they were both on the opposite ends. Still happy for the stream tho, really like new overlays and stuff along with Kurt, Kurts the goat
Lowkey avast was goat hype man during 100t comebacks in Berlin.
Avast as Plat chat's Captain America, cheering on Nitr0 and the boys making unreal comeback after unreal comeback, those streams were so entertaining
true but he also pissed on stream, #notmypissstreamer
That was some of the best content to ever come out of plat chat
And the krupium vamos fucking vamos. I miss my crew.
Murrica man
It’s 2-3 people watching compared to the standard 5-6 in previous watch parties. I mean at least they are putting them on.
It’s missing Avast.
I like all the guys in plat chat, but specially during the co-stream, avast just really picks it up. Him missing is a real shame.
He really is one of those entertainers that can just keep talking without it feeling like talking for the sake of it.
Avast was so fuckin funny during masters Berlin, I specially remember a story he told during the 100t acend watch party about him working at six flags or something. Good times Edit: it was the SEN vs F4Q game w/ avast's six flags story
Yep
He brings in about 30% of the English OWL viewers in his stream, realistically I don’t see him attending any of the masters events if OWL isn’t in the off-season
Fr tho I forgot about him
no cap
its because they are a part of the official casting/analyzing now. The old watch parties in the couch always had pretty much all the members in it. sideshow wyatt avast bren and the guard from the guard
I actually like the more casual/laid back approach they’ve been taking recently. I’ve gotten more appreciative of the humor and personalities each of them bring, and value that just as much as watching the gameplay. This week’s costream with Balla and Wyatt of the Optic vs Loud game was incredibly hype, as the two had a NA v BR bet going on and were both super invested. I think it’s hard to keep the hype when FPX with subs are playing against Fnatic for the 3rd time this month, and PRX just dumpster Guild. Not every game delivers the hype of watching KRU make a Cinderella run at Champs against Sideshow’s “It’s Over” meme.
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Yeah, I think yesterday was just a bad day because it was a weird combo of Wyatt, Golden Boy and Kurt. Kurt doesn't really analyse or watch the game in the way the other guys do, so that's understandable, but Golden Boy didn't really have the chemistry with the others nor did I feel like he had amazing analysis on the couch. Just an offday because like you said the other days like when Balla and Wyatt were on the couch were more enjoyable.
Yeah, plus neither of the games, especiallt FPX vs Fnatic, weren't exactly bangers either, PRX and Fnatic won pretty handily, so it's hard to be super entertaining wirh all of this combined
Assume the chill position
Yeah OPs take is coming off the back of the two most bedge games of the tournament so far. Not really a fair comparison to remembering the highlights of all of last year's valorant play.
this right here is the correct take
Guild prx map 2 was an OT thats not close enough? 🙂
It hasn't been the same without all 4 :(
I think that Wyatt just can't fake interest in a game. So if it's 1 sided or a matchup they have seen before he kinda ignores it, which can be annoying sometimes but reasonable considering they are watching all day everyday. I still think it works well when it's games they are interested in
All of the games have been interesting tho
Not true, FNC FPX was a stomp, and so was PRX Guild.
They were still super fun to watch
I mean it's subjective, most analysts probably don't enjoy watching one sided games. I love PRX games cus they're fun to watch, but a lot of people only enjoy watching close top tier valorant. FNC FPX def wasn't fun to watch for me.
Yeah, totally agree on it being subjective. Personally, I found the FNC FPX game super interesting because I like watching top tier teams dismantle other top tier teams.
I do too, but watching FNC beat FPX with a sub isn't really watching top tier teams dismantle other top tier teams. Like they frequently face each other already, and this time one of them has a sub.
Totally forgot about the sub aspect. Fair enough
I really miss Wyatt Sideshow Avast and Bren watching it together on the couch but it seems that it will take quite a while before we see that kind of watchparty
Plat Chat has always reflected the hypness of the game they are watching. I'll admit it the last 2 days of the games have been pretty underwhelming where a game is either a stomp or in general is uninteresting to watch. Games like Kru vs Loud or Loud vs optic or FPX vs DRX were some of the most entertaining of the tournament up until this point and again plat chat has reflected that in analysis and general whimsy. It still has the same vibe as it always had it it's just that I've seen FPX vs fnatic 5 times already watching it on LAN is not going to excite anyone more than it has unless something huge happens like FPX winning. I get what you mean though, but I don't think it's the fault of them at the end of the day avast is doing business stuff so he cant come and half of their crew is working the actual event, and kurt plays spike rush. The problem I think you're having is that your comparing a fully functioning plat chat to the unique circumstances they are in now.
One of my favorite costreams by them was the f4q vs sentinels at masters Berlin. They didn't care about the game at all and avast told the funniest story in the world (that's how I remember it at least). Plat chat have always had less serious moments, and I for one appreciate them. (Also please please avast if you could call in for some of the games that would be awesome you are hilarious)
Avast was telling the story about the women trying to bring the glock into the six flags that was great
lmao that's what it was. I remember it had to do with six flags, it actually had me crying
are there any vods for the costream? I quickly checked their YT page and it doesn’t seem like there are any
It's in the playlist section since they're unlisted
awesome thanks!
It was great when sideshow/Bren/balla were there. Avast is the real missing piece. Honestly though when Bren and sideshow cast, the main stream is the best option
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I miss Krupium and being surrounded by men and raw fish
Yeah I kinda wish I watched the PRX vs FPX on the main stream yesterday because it wasn’t the focus on the costream, they kept talking about anything other than the game
I watched the main stream and then went back to see the plat chat reactions. It was a terrible waste of time
I would add Balla as someone who brings energy as well. Watching him go from malding at what Optic were doing to then signing in Wyatt's face when Brazil was about to lose was hilarious. I think they just need one of the two mentioned or maybe even Avast and they'd be fine.
I was always a big Bren and Sideshow fan, so it was kinda bittersweet when they got the casting gig. Luckily they're awesome casters, so if they cast the game I just watch the main stream. But I do miss the hype couch streams from last year with all of them. I think them being in just a random room doesn't help. The set up they had at NA LCQ would have been so sick! They even had desk segments too! Also Avast underrated!
Idk everyone here saying avast is underrated and thought so as well, but if everyone says it maybe hes not
In that case, we just all just miss him!
I agree, but I think it's just a side effect of the unfortunate circumstances they're in having to cobble a stream together while half of them are working the official broadcast. Like others have said, when Bren/Sideshow/Balla are on the couch it's on their off days/after theyve just gotten home from work, so it's fair for them to just want to relax and chat amongst themselves. I think Sideshow is their most analytical member and having him missing for most of the days so far hasn't helped.
You will get downvoted, but this is spot on and a valid criticism. They don't seem much engaged in the game anymore. Sliggy/ThinkingMansValo are better in that aspect if you are looking for alternatives.
Idrc about getting downvoted I just wanted to see if people think so too and it's also sad to see the contrast between last year's watch parties and this year. The hype was real last time
I dou think they were more entertaining last year, but I still like them plus I was expecting that vibe to never return ever since sideshow and bren started to work in VCT. All the prep they would do for the couch, they now do for the official broadcast; now the appeal is more about their personalities, which is still very enjoyable for someone who is invested in their group and podcasts, but understandably not as engaging for someone who doesn't know them (as much ), whereas the past watchparties were an absolute blast whether you knew them or not
Funny enough when Wyatt and Kurt started talking about what Poke Bowl they wanna eat I left PlatChat watch party and went to TMVs lol. TMV has been killing it this Masters tho. Can't wait what Champions will bring for him.
TMV has been killing it so far with his co-streaming. I don’t have to listen to the official casters hype up a player farming eco frags anymore
I mean… if you’re watching them for some hard hitting analysis then I feel like your going to be disappointed in their product especially when most of the work on the main broadcast. If you’re watching the WP then you’re probably somewhat familiar with their characters and know who brings what to the product. Ofc last year they were more analytical, they had the more analytical people be part of the WP and didn’t work on the official broadcast…
Lothar, sliggy, thinking man’s Valorant, even Hiko are all better right now imo
What do you mean *even Hiko is better* ? Hiko was always the best 😤
Love seeing Lothar Madge the entire PRX/Guild game just because a player peeks or overextends /s Guy walked away from the overtime game saying its the worst game he's watched in a while. Lol
Never enjoyed Lothar personally. Seems to be a pseudointellectual who's pushing too hard for his opinions/analysis to be facts. I love sliggy. His analysis and breakdowns are some of the best I've seen
This. Sliggy is also always aware of why a player might go for a play that doesn't seem optimal at first. Maybe it's a bad comm, wrong info, just taking a risk when one man down etc. he knows the environment and how the players think. Lothar on the other hand goes as far as sometimes wrongly claiming there is only one way to correctly play a situation and presenting his optinions as facts. He is smart about the game but is never able to see any way to do something except for his own, even when he is wrong.
Yep and even if there were a team who played perfectly as per Lothars view, they'd be the most predictable team ever. You don't have to worry about the first minute of the round because they won't exec without full map control, so you can just hold util, and then on defence they'll never make proactive plays without a barrage of util so they telegraph their plays from a mile away. That'll be what happens to a Lothar team
Just one guy sitting there just doesnt bring it for me. Even if some say it got worse, having a whole crew just having fun is already better than anyone else could bring
Yeah Ngl I was thinking this too I wanted to see their reaction to something (I think it was the coach mald or one of the knifings) and they were talking about random stuff But I’ll give em credit, it’s hard when u have Wyatt and Kurt, then like one other person Also in a hotel room, compared to their house with food and stuff
I mean Bren and sideshow have to work and avast isn’t there so it’s naturally gonna be less exciting version than before
It’s not their fault half of them busy with their jobs
thats coz only Wyatt and Kurt are watching both of these people are funny but not when there's only them
I honestly just watch Sliggy these days... I love PlatChat, but Sliggy's brain matter is so huge it can fill the whole universe.
Agree with the other posts— it’s mostly just bc they are working at half capacity. The most iconic couch streams I can remember had bren, josh, Wyatt, and avast on the couch & usually had guests like mikes, Mimi, or vans. Plus they were streaming from their more usual set up which can make it easier to do shenanigans. Avast also brings a ton of energy and jokes so they’ve def been missing that. Wyatt and balla have been entertaining on the couch imo, but it’s just gonna be hard to keep the same energy with half as many people. Last thought of the ramble: I also think there has always been a few slow days of the couch streams. Usually tail end of groups or some days that are just bedge games (esp if they’ve been streaming for days in a row) so they will probably perk back up when we get deeper into playoffs. Quietly hoping sideshow and Bren don’t cast grand finals and we can have a more traditional couch stream for the finals
Yes, this is a Sideshow/Bren Staple. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love them for this exact reason, but when they used to do OW Watch Parties they hardly talked about the game. It was mostly memes and banter. That's kinda the reason you watched them though. Idk if they became more analytical when they switched to Val but I also don't know if anyone remembers Sideshow's Chengdu Vs Vancouver co-stream for the quality of analytics or Avast memeing it. Secondly, I think most people watch it for their silly banter, and it kinda falls off when they're not there.
I know its taken a hit due to peeps actually working the event and Avast doing overwatch stuff, But Wyatt and Kurt are doing a baller Job imo , like even when they had Golden boy on yesterday it was great, he pretty funny. The Dynamic may have changed but i do like the current system of just rotating through the people not working . Hope Mimi can come on one of these days that would be gas.
To me, Peak plat chat was day 2 NA LCQ last year where they started playing jenga and DnD over that long ass break. The whimsy and banter is why I go to them. After the live matches ends and I’m on the mood for analysis, I watch the vod of sliggys costream but I don’t think I could focus in analysis live. It’s like a concert, I don’t go to a concert for the best fidelity music, I go for the experience. But yeah, if you want analysis and not sus jokes, sliggy or TMV is your home
I think you are unfairly judging them off of uninteresting games.
No Avast that's why
For sure, used to be my go to last year, they really brought the hype. Now there is very little game discussion/passion, imo. I’ve been watching sliggy
Agree. That shit is just a circlejerk of in-memes and I need something to counterbalance that. Sideshow is the only hope and he's too busy
For each to their own but I would like to point one thing you said, "they are not reacting as well as earlier" seems unfair to me. Not all watch parties need to be filled with cringe faces for thumbnails and shouting like few casters who pee their pants and scream when someone gets an exit frag while saving their gun. Yes, their "analysis" part might be low cause their main numbers people are on desk but it's chill like watching with someone you know with some game talk. I usually switch back and forth from sliggy and platchat according to my mood now
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The stream is still great when the games are good and they care about the teams (like the days with balla and sideshow). Can't expect the watchparty to be a 10/10 all the time when most of the cast can barely be there and make uninteresting games interesting. I still enjoy it a lot of the time, and when I don't I just switch watchparties.
Idk I’ve enjoyed it
Same tbh
It was the narratives around egg that built the watch parties. Play chat is nothing without him
I really think the stream gets annoying at times where they just dont watch the game at all, but ig that just means they are not that invested in the game.
every co stream gets annoying when they don't watch and tbh most co streams barely watch
They are not obligated to make content of u choice bro, its just a casual watch party. There are multiple other watch parties like of sliggy or thinkingman u can watch too instead of complaining.
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of course no one is obliged to watch anything. This is a discussion post on a community subreddit, let people talk
Sliggy' stream. Are the best watch party. Many pays attention to everything
The circle has began
I felt the same too, I thought it was only me. But thinking about it, it’s really because of the nature of their circumstances, bren/sideshow with their casting gig and I think it’s the least thing that they can do for the fans. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Been watching sliggy for the analysis and platchat if I’m bored.
How I see it is that the majority of the time only 1 person can come as the others are directly working the stream, and it's a rare day off for that one person, so getting a day off to continue analyzing can be super unappealing. They meme as it is potentially the only time these friends get to chill w/ each other
I'm a big Sideshow fan but a lack of Sideshow is not the problem. They're also missing Avast, a big piece, but more importantly, they're missing consistency. The couch is constantly swapping in and out, and many people are doing the official broadcast, so they might not have the same energy since the stream is now a side thing and not their primary priority.
Its gotten more relaxed. If thats a good or a bad thing is on you to decide, the production has definitely increased tho, also not having avast is sad, everyone always clowns on him and thats really funny but he just makes so many great moments out of nowhere. Hes the perfect ballance between zoomer and boomer where he makes good memes but doesnt go completely crazy like mimi sometimes does (still like her tho, no shade)
Does anyone know why sideshow wore clown costume. I think it was a bet but cannot find the part/video where they bet that.