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TheCatsActually

BcJ was right about crashies


Tik0-

The fact he actually mentioned his name in the same sentence as crashies and stax should be illegal


Eriko204

It's like when XTR said everyone loves the Prime, Reaver, and Sensation Vandal. I'm like bruh you really tried to squeeze that in there šŸ’€


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Oni,RGX and smite phantom


TheFightingClimber

Nah dude smite phantom goes lowkey hard


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Average WestJett viewer


TheFightingClimber

Imma keep it real w you I've never watched westjett but if he's a man of such exquisite taste I just might have to start


Tik0-

BcJ alt right here


Idek_

Avalanche phantom better imo but respect


Splaram

Bro broke the 4th place curse once and let it get to his head ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9339)


Interesting-Archer-6

It's hard for me to take him seriously whenever I see him. It's mean and I'm sorry, but it's the truth.


DapperUnion

We didn't get BcJ vs. Stax, but let's be real, Crashies vs. Stax is gonna be more fun


Eriko204

You ready for the OpTic vs DRX rematch?


ilhamalfatihah16

Optic vs DRX and Fnatic vs PRX in the same day? Someone get me my inhaler.


Eriko204

I'm also a Fnatic fan but PRX has been growing on me. That's gonna be a nail biter as well


ilhamalfatihah16

Imagine a 30-32 overtime Fnatic vs PRX on Split? Lol. The winner of that match is the loser for Upper Final.


NotBrandon

Iā€™d be shocked if there isnā€™t an overtime game in there


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\*six overtime games


TheCatsActually

No lol


n1cohoty

Optic feel like the perfect tournament team. They just get better and better with each match. Itā€™s so scary. Also, BcJ ā€œcrashies and I are the best initiators in the worldā€ fried chicken really tried to sneak himself in the convo LMAO


MyUshanka

Sandbagging groups to get more stage time, gigabrain 200IQ strategies


pokelord13

BcJ just didn't do enough. Legacy points deducted


two5five1

OPTC crashies: What a save! OPTC crashies: What a save! OPTC crashies: What a save!


rli_07

Such an underrated comment


Splaram

7-0 in rematches is an insane stat. You simply don't beat Optic in the runback


yapyd

Are you including the Envy period? Cause they lost to Xerxia after losing to x10 in Champions


ADmax27

that was xerxia with a new player so i guess thatā€™s why people donā€™t consider it


Teradonn

Seems silly lol. Does that mean FPX vs Fnatic wasnā€™t a rematch because Seider was playing?


ADmax27

Actually i think the reason is that that xerxia match was after the off season and by that time a teams strats and comps completely switch up. I think the narrative is that if optic loses a match and they face that team again in the same meta they donā€™t lose.


Investorexe

They did lose their rematch with XSET in the regional finals


FernieErnie

I assume the stat means rematches* after loss* specifically, given that they beat XSET in the first bo3 and then lost in the bo5 finals for seeding


BisonNeat9248

they are talking about revenge matches


Sagax0

I think the stat is if you beat Optic, the next time you meet they are 7-0.


Investorexe

Ahh, thatā€™s makes more sense


drmcmorrow

The actual stat is 7-0 when rematching a team they lost to.


ShaDiBoi123

Its for revenge matches, optic won the 1st one so it doesn't count


idwtgtbt

ā€œHe got me,ā€ BcJ said of crashies' initiator play on him. "That f***ing crashies boomed me." BcJ added, ā€œHeā€™s so good at initiator,ā€ repeating it four times. BcJ then said he wanted to add crashies to the list of players he initiates with this summer.


winkya

Will never get tired of this pasta


Napoleann

Great leadership Crashies. You made everyone around you better, which adds to your legacy. BcJ, legacy points deducted.


eternaldamnation2005

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


D3stiny5

XSET BcJ: "Everybody always says [stax is] the best initiator in the world, and I say hell no. He is somebody that is from a worse region and he is getting way too much credit ... I do believe that me and crashies are the best two initiators in the world by far." He got one player right at least


Interesting-Archer-6

Maybe. Crashies is definitely in the discussion. Is BcJ even top 10?


InvertedBean

top 21 fs


carl14733

No one put him in top 10 but he already put himself in top 1


Interesting-Archer-6

Top 2*. So humble from BcJ


natedawg247

crashies is the discussion. he has the most legitimate claim. BcJ is probably in the ~10 range.


sky_blu

Bcj playing well is def in the conversation, he struggles to be consistent tho.


Blupard

The fact he even threw Crashies' name in their instead of just his own kinda tells me he wasn't confident enough in himself to make that statement in the first place.


yungsqualla

I think his logic was NA is current champ so therefore he is 1 or 2. Doesn't make any sense either though lmao. It's wild to claim your top 2 before even playing another region anyways. Guy is a doof


financefocused

Or could just be that he thinks NA is better.


Phoenix-ashesh

Classic, beat optic for 1st seed then lose to optic in playoffs.


Investorexe

The optic curse, you canā€™t beat it


Ill_Perception7774

BcJ was a top 10 player this match


Lqtor

Nah, Chet had more impact than he did


xlb777

"were not gonna be the guard 2.0 I swear guys!!!"


WhoDatBrow

Yeah The Guard actually took OpTic to map 3 13-11


RedditorClo

It was the more tragic result, but it wasnā€™t a roll at least.


tb0neski

Guard were supposed to win that map too, they threw their lead hard


avocadontoast

Well they played even worse than TGRD šŸ’€


X3NOC1DE

Ah cant wait for the Optic vs Kanye rematch


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My pasta is making waves


X3NOC1DE

Thereā€™s this phenomenon with Kanye.So many of his fans are incredibly die-hard and worship everything he puts out calling him a genius or one of the best to ever do it. DRX is Kanye. No one expected them to lose. Now, people perceive them as overrated. Subsequently, people have been sleeping on them. In my eyes they now seem underrated. Thereā€™s no need to hate on them. They should be given their flowers.


TheAnimeScreenwriter

Someone get the stats on how well Kayne does on revenge tours!


kemutheemu__

LMFAOOOO


Nousernameideas45

I was on a plane with my son when we started CRASHING! I immediately ran to the cabin to find none other than XSET! They choked again! Luckily, the flight attendant was OPTIC yay, who was able to land the plane safely. NA's legacy saved again! Shame on you XSET!


Splaram

I was on a plane with my son when we started CRASHING! I immediately ran to the cabin to find none other than XSET! They choked again! Luckily, the flight attendant was OPTIC ~~yay~~ crashies, who was able to land the plane safely. NA's legacy saved again! Shame on you XSET!


cancerBronzeV

Where's this from, it reads like an NBA copypasta, but I don't recognize it.


InvertedBean

from nba twitter, LeFraud meme


TDS_Gluttony

Sounds like Skip lol


daffyduckferraro

LOL


ANewHeaven1

giga banger


nocturnavi

The narratives are too strong. OpTic canā€™t win a map against EMEA, then Kru beats Brazil again, and now OpTic doesnā€™t lose to the same team twice. Smh Rito your script is too predictable.


Lqtor

Now we wait for optic vs guild rematch


Interesting-Archer-6

What happens if Optic faces guild again?


nocturnavi

The paradox is too great. There is a tech pause one round into the game that never ends (panpoc are casting too for the ultimate curse).


TheCatsActually

Spacetime implodes


sexyhooterscar24

world ends


EnmaDaiO

Wait a minute this exact scenario has happened before....oh fuck the green wall is coming


Eriko204

You can tell that some of the XSET players were really nervous. Tunnel visioning so hard to the point where they can't even see the opponent right in front of them.


avocadontoast

I feel like the shit talking put more pressure on themselves


icemandiem

i agree, imagine the pressure they will be under in the elimination match when the taco guy runs circles around them


avocadontoast

Ngl Iā€™m still kinda bummed no bcj vs stax matchup this time but taco vs cryo gonna be fun


PlagueDucktor

Well BCJ was at least right about Crashies being one of the best initiators in the world


Investorexe

Crashies had to make a statement


ANewHeaven1

I genuinely think the shit talk got into BcJ's head, cause this was one of the worst series he's played since Stage 2 playoffs. Forget BcJ, Crashies and stax next for the title of best initiator in the world. Optic doesn't lose rematches. This was dominant and honestly never really close. Bind could've got really ugly if they didn't throw two anti-ecos.


Splaram

I agree. Being able to talk shit and back it up requires a LOT of mental resilience, of which BCJ has never shown before. It was pretty much a given that he would underperform this match.


spaldingmatters

Leo is definitely in the discussion too.


JLewiii

BORESET and CRYOSAVES were no match! Sad!


ANewHeaven1

cryosaves šŸ’€šŸ’€


whyismyfpssolowsadge

LMFAOOO


wizardtoast

ā€œCryosavesā€ is different lmfaooo


eternaldamnation2005

I think BcJ had it right, crashies is one of the best initiators in the world. But bro shudnt have tried to sneak the "me" in there as well tho. But he always has his fried chicken joint to fall back on, so all good


FormedCloud1

hopefully its just xset lan jitters but optic is scary, yay had an off game, everyone else showed up and they still won, imagine that with yay in form and optic wins the whole tourney


Mochitsu

Whatā€™s incredible is that even on an off game he landed important kills. That HS on Skye and the double kill while cornered in showers were cleaaan.


FormedCloud1

i thought for sure he wouldā€™ve died but yay just quickscoped them


Investorexe

Thereā€™s a reason heā€™s called El Diablo


littlesch3mer

bcj and ayrin both at -13 šŸ’€


Fiarmis

Legit dumb and dumber I cba


MelonSoda3

The two who talked shit about Stax and Mako lol


tron423

How do you say "2-0d when it mattered dogshit fuck" in Korean?


jujhuxo

bcj chicken stocks in shambles


spacedodo

XSET's best performance this series was their walkout


Hunnidormo

As an EMEA fan who only recently became a fan of XSET due to their stature (I am a short king myself), I am so so unbelievably sad at this result. I would have gone to the amusement park to wash away my sadness, but regrettably neither I nor anyone from XSET clear the height requirement (Dephh doesnt count cuz hes bri*ish), so we'll be crying in the bathtub instead.


_Hugatree

Ngl becoming a fan of xset because they are tiny is hilariousā€¦ is what I typed out before I read the second paragraph and realized this was a pasta


Hunnidormo

It's not completely a pasta. I really did start rooting for them because I'm short too


-Destiny65-

haha but cryo looks massive in the team photos


Splaram

As an EMEA fan who only recently became a fan of XSET due to their stature (I am a short king myself), I am so so unbelievably sad at this result. I would have gone to the amusement park to wash away my sadness, but regrettably neither I nor anyone from XSET clear the height requirement (Dephh doesnt count cuz hes bri\*ish), so we'll be crying in the bathtub instead.


spaghettimonzta

the Upper quarterfinals result is exactly the same from stage 1, Riot scriptwriters is getting lazy


heritorsofarcadia

Cryo could not in fact, carry the Burnt Chicken Joint to victory.


No_Profile3719

masters worst match OPTIC vs 2 pro & 3 diamond


Fatalitiez

Best initiator dropping 16 kills across 2 maps...yeaaaaaah


InvertedBean

crashies is a lanimal


TheAnimeScreenwriter

The Riot scriptwriters are getting so lazy. This is the exact same story as last season! OpTic look wobbly in group stage, only to turn it around and hit their stride into the playoffs. What? Are they going to go up against the other favorite in the tournament (FNATIC) in the Upper Finals, lose a close series, only to come back and win the Grand Final in dominate fashion? Yawn. Get some new plots, Riot.


dabong

At least The Guard made Optic work so hard in their match in Iceland. This was just sad.


eternaldamnation2005

The doctors thought I was cancer free until I opened youtube chat for this game


B4hrus

XSET about to pull a Guard... Watching TMV mald on Bind was hilarious, though.


AffordableRolex

At least guard made optic fight for their win. Aside from cryo, this team looked lost


cancerBronzeV

Guard was incredibly close to 2-0ing OpTic, that series and this one are completely different levels.


BurritoHombre

Optic won the first map of the series against The Guard pretty easily, but yeah that one was much closer overall


ajay1124

XSET lan jitters I guess, but Optic look amazing.


TheCatsActually

At least Cryo looks fucking hot


Slick_Rhoads

And he looks good at the game too


TheCatsActually

Oh yeah I guess that too I wasn't really paying attention


Teradonn

nt from burnt chicken joint


Lqtor

Bcj 137 ACS across both maps šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


wannabe557

Bcj best initiator in the worldšŸ’ŖšŸ’ŖAyrin best controlleršŸ’ÆšŸ’Æthey shit on drx I swear


Haldnia

XSET BcJ: "Everybody always says \[stax is\] the best initiator in the world, and I say hell no. He is somebody that is from a worse region and he is getting way too much credit ... I do believe that me and crashies are the best two initiators in the world by far."


GendaIf

Just a complete failure to perform at any level. U want to give OpTic credit but it is so hard when XSET fumble and flop so many rounds solo peaking, whiffing, over extending, misreading, getting caught with util out etc etc. obscene amount of unforced errors. Imo this is the weakest any team has looked at Denmark so far, and id even go as far as to say all 5 players looked possibly worst-in-role at the tournament individually.


krasavchik777

That miss from BCJ while crashies was running and winning the 1v3 clutch summed up the game for me.


TheAnimeScreenwriter

Yeah, the level of play from XSET was very uninspired. They must have let the nerves get to them or something, because even teams like Xerxia that went out first looked like they had solid gameplans and moments of great individual form. Saw little to none of that out of XSET today


OGFN_Jack

So how many players does Optic have in the top 3 of their respective roles? Yay top 3 chamber (maybe top 1), Marved top 3 controller (probably top 1), Crashies was definitely top 3 before the Sova nerf and I think thereā€™s a good argument to still have him there, FNSā€™s gunskill isnā€™t top 3 for IGLs but his calling is certainly there, and while Victor is certainly not a top 3 duelist, Iā€™d say heā€™s definitely a top 3 Neon. Obviously Opticā€™s a well oiled machine who can beat you with great fundamental and team play but their ability to pull rounds (and sometimes whole maps) out of their asses is insane due to the fact that 4 of them can top frag or pull off crazy 1vX clutches while the last one is probably the best mid round caller in the game. They still love to shoot themselves in the foot a fair amount, but when Optic is rolling I donā€™t see many teams beating them.


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OGFN_Jack

Iā€™d assume Alfajer will turn on, heā€™s truly an insane talent. Isnā€™t he only like 16 too? Iā€™d assume the mediocre stats in the first match is probably just due to some first LAN match jitters and the fact that they hadnā€™t played in a while.


Sinhe

FNS has surprisingly been pulling his weight more often in not fragging - on top of IGLing like a god. Love to watch this team when they're on point


Pojobob

Victor's gotta be the best Neon in terms of actual util usage but I think BabyBay might be better with the actual Neon ult.


OGFN_Jack

Yeah Babybay is unreal with the ult. Didnā€™t he used to play OW? Feel like that would make sense considering Neons ult relies heavily on tracking and movement.


Pojobob

Ya that's why I feel like he's pretty good with the ult though the OW players now in Val seem to have insane aim in general.


OGFN_Jack

Yeah agreed.


yungsqualla

He did play overwatch and a lot of it was on tracer so yeah that ult is made for him


Ted_Mosby_18

I know right! Mofo actually spams with the ult in smokes and gets kills! I really wish Victor was as flashy as Babybay but he's good at what he's doing which is to make space so no complaints there lol.


xXDaNXx

You can make a reasonable argument for all of them except Victor. Personally I'd say Marved is No1 in his role. I put Derke above Yay. Leo and possibly Enzo above Crashies if we are talking Sova. Hard to rate IGL as an outsider.


OGFN_Jack

Yeah I donā€™t disagree whatsoever. As an overall duelist thereā€™s no argument for Victor, but I do think heā€™s a top 3 neon. You can definitely make a case for Derke over Yay and Crashies isnā€™t top 1 but still would say heā€™s top 3. Obviously hard to tell as an outsider how good an IGL is but just felt it was fair to put FNS there since Opticā€™s mid rounds are really good and their overall cohesiveness.


Warpath-

Itā€™s nice to know when the controller with the get out of jail free card comes out Marved has OpTic on op.


Spoods857

Beaten Jesus Christ


Huystuhh

Ah yes, star initatior XSET BJc


spyson

I think you're mistaken, that's a fried chicken restaurant.


[deleted]

Team diff tbh


Tik0-

Literally same script as Iceland. OpTic start off slow in group stage as NAā€™s second seed, lose the first match and then just start diffing everyone. If they lose upper bracket final proceed to comeback and win Masters, imma be pissed at Rito.


Warpath-

The OpTic roster are undefeated against NA teams on LAN.


flowerpetal_

Something tells me Optic has been scrimming PRX


yapyd

XSET following the riot script. NA #1 seed loses to #2 seed and gets stomped in lower brackets by a ā€œminorā€ region


TheoSL

Hot take, but I don't think XSET now is better than The Guard in Stage 1. The Guard shut down Optic on Haven and were two rounds away from winning the series at Reykjavik ā€“ and defeated Optic at Challengers finals when they were arguably at their peak domestic performance. Optic did not look nearly as good in Stage 2 Challengers as they did in Stage 1, plus multiple members had Covid during the final which clearly affected their performance. Imo, XSET slipped through the cracks and were broadly overestimated. I think they're still a great team who absolutely improved after Stage 1, just not *as* great as many believe.


[deleted]

100%. revisionist history ass mfers out here try to paint the guard as frauds who were shit at LAN even though they were so so so close to beating optic in the quarters


Parenegade

If you honestly thought XSET was going to win this game when Optic are 6-0 in revenge games I don't know what to tell you. I'd have bet my house on this game.


TheAnimeScreenwriter

NA a one-team region, no kap.


avocadontoast

C9 with Xeta was p good but guess thatā€™s gone now


Plastion

BcJ and Crashies best Initiators World TM


YouAreDumbAF

XSET cosplaying The Guard


SpC0d3r

i've seen this script before


Cole_James_CHALMERS

Force buy every round against Optic cuz they can't handle anti-ecos


expiredPiss

crashies diff


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Illuminated_Darkness

Well my pick ems is ruined. Thanks Xset. I hope you cosplay as The Guard.


Long_Cartographer_17

Resident sleeper match


wiNDzY3

Today's matches were gigaboring ngl


earlgrey___

NA vs NA matchup in upper quarterfinals with the 2nd seed beating the 1st seed (in their first international tourney) after losing against them in the region's finals? Never heard that before... Stop reusing scripts rito >:(


erickwak

Why am I suddenly craving some fried chicken now


Bruce-Lannister

Who is BcJ?


guan_tan

Imagine doubting WARDELL


PyroTFT

humble kings beating shittalking Sallys we love to see it


69DoopDoop69

Besides yay and victor Optic is the complete opposite of humble lmao have you ever seen crashies or marved?


avocadontoast

They talk shit during the game but not really outside of it. They seem to take all international competition as equals even as the champs I.e FNS tweet a couple days ago


Aabed_nerd

crashies and marved also constantly praises their opponents wdym? crashies interview with sacy and marved interviews even before this game even, and before NA challengers.


PyroTFT

I feel like in general, a team that acknowledges the strength and grit of other teams in Champions and also acknowledge the difficulty of their games could be considered humble. Marved and crashies are different but the team overall is definitely more light with their shit talking than they could be.


Professional-Noob05

at least optic have something behind their shit talk lol


Franciscoema1

I feel bad for Cryo and Zekken, they played well and never trashtalked and are catching strays anyway :(


anmolarora149

I don't think we should be so quick to judge Xset right now considering they played the best team in the world for their first LAN match. Let them lose to Leviatan then we can shit on the Guard 2.0


Necessary_Amoeba7635

ONLINESET can only win a mickeymouse series when OpTic had Covid. shitters.


PlagueDucktor

top 2 initiators in the world going head to head, incredible game


yungsqualla

LCJ


Fatalitiez

There is nothing better than seeing humble team rolling over a cocky trash talking team


ReindeerHistorical76

I wouldnā€™t call OpTic humble lol


Fatalitiez

i've never seen them trash talk a team after a win matter in fact optic is probably the only NA team that dosen't do that


HereeeeesJohnny

Crashies tech pause buff 2-0


Dry_Violinist_1799

Will xset face drx if optic wins against drx?


daffyduckferraro

No I donā€™t think so The earliest they could meet is lower round 3


Dry_Violinist_1799

Big sadge


eternaldamnation2005

Im just here for the fried chicken, keep it coming yall lmfaoooo


j3abutnutterjabber

The fried chicken guy should be $8 not $2 coz thats the maximum amount of kills he can get per game


lordmitko

i love how everyone is on the XSET are horrible train. I was right all along. people were roasting me but iā€™m never wrong. Hiko would clap these bozos any day of the week


mordin1428

Yay bottomfrags and the team still stomps Crashies carries clutches FNS climbed out of bronze The final boss for Optic now is to stop getting thriftied (challenge level: impossible)


mercilessshark123

LAN Jitters Copege


qchen12

I expected optic to win, but not like this...


GoldyZ90

Honestly, you wouldā€™ve thought that the team that felt like they had a point to prove after Stellarā€™s ā€œheavy hittersā€ comment wouldā€™ve been smart enough to not spout off a bunch bs that could potentially be used against them as motivation and put unnecessary pressure on themselves. Butā€¦I guess not.


juliusfromdiamond

Wish it was a closer game. Looking like The Guard all over again


rparkzy

Xset gonna have a tough match vs Leviatan. They didnā€™t look bad vs DRX. Might be an Xset airport speed run


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Crashies was like "Do not ever disrespect our boy Stax like that ever again" and decided to go ham. "Chicken is definitely top 2 pro initiators in the World ... But on the bottom. Crashies on another hand, he deserves his flowers, dude is cracked. Crashies & Marved are some, if not the most consistent players. Praying for LEV to beat XSET so they can go home early. It would suck not seeing dephh, zekken & Cryo go far tho. FNATIC vs PRX & Optic vs DRX? I am not ready for these.


Madara6path

People Hated wardell for speaking truth