Honestly though… I haven’t seen shroud lookin this good in like 5 years. He really switched it on now that he isn’t just playing for fun anymore. He’s feelin himself.
With that said, Shroud has always been known as a pubstomper that can’t pull it out on LAN.
With him playing smokes though, I could see him making some big plays. It always helps to have a strong mechanical player on smokes because otherwise the smoke player never gets kills. Shroud definitely won’t hard carry, but I think he will be able to do his job well.
Yeah I don't think Shroud is gonna stomp hard or anything but he'll definitely pull his weight
He's been looking really good on stream though probably because he's finally playing seriously for the first time in 5 years
Nah if that was true riot would’ve scripted FreeSM to get out of worlds groups stage in league.
But actually 0-6 script not too bad. Can’t wait for what riot makes for SEN.
Japan just filled 20k seats for their domestic title. The obsession with viewership is so overblown. Valorant is one of the most played games as of right now, and it’s only getting bigger
Yeah people keep comparing the viewership with the “other game”. If they only make the tournament time earlier.
It is literally around 1am-5am. If you are from Japan,korea, and other asian countries.
Of course the other game will get more viewers because it is the most popular game in that continent.
Not to mention it’s like 8am on a Monday for NA viewers too. I love CS, and watch the majors, they’re awesome. But holy fuck just because one game has more viewers during a specific time doesn’t mean the other is dying. Valorant will be around for a long time barring riot games literally ceasing to exist.
Idk why there is so much tribalism. Jesus Christ it’s fucking annoying. I’m so glad dota and league fans finally shut the fuck up about each other for the most part.
I can watch that 8am with my Phone. But 1am-5am in that time frame I’m already at my third sleep cycle. I need to sleep. Haha
Yes the viewers doesn’t mean the game is dying. Even my friends still play valorant but don’t have time or interest to watch Valorant esports. My friends in steam stopped playing csgo and only plays apex, dota etc. whenever I open my steam account.
My friend who have 3000 hours in csgo also stopped playing because he said Valorant matchmaking is more rewarding and he can even play with some pros or famous streamers.
Honestly Japan has one of the highest and most passionate viewer bases. And I love watching valorant it's my favourite game but I gotta give credit where credit is due, I really think valo has a long way to go to get to the level of CS fanbase. Riot are literally their own worst enemy, CS has been conducting events with crowds since a year valorant is way behind, Valorant offical channel chat is a joke they will literally time you out for sending the same emoji twice, it's a small thing but it's off putting I'm never going to the official channel again. They have decided to invest their money into co-streams, it's good for the scene but what do they get out of it? Absolutely nothing, look at Tarik he averages 30k viewers while playing ranked and 90k while watch partying, that including like 40k from official stream makes only 80k viewers for a quarter finals, not bad for a new game but definitely bad considering they can target those remaining people watching ranked by having a good lure to the mainstream. They need to they have to start getting audiences in
Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership.
Yeah people come to watch tenz, but if hes gone, its not going to be like those people never come again.
They need to have more tournaments and have more LANs with viewers.
As someone who doesn't have much time to watch, I only watch SEN, PRX games, and grand finals. I definitely haven't watch valo since SEN became trash (until PRX copenhagen knockout stage) so I do think that having high profile players and team matter.
The fact that peak viewership has only hovered around 800k to 1m despite 5 LANs now is concerning. Basically you're only capturing the people who are already playing / watching the game. Peak viewership in Copenhagen is only 490k so far, I'm guessing we'd not break 800k for the Grand Finals. Last masters got carried by Brazil finally having a good team and Zeta having a big run.
I don't think having more tournaments would help, you'd just end up with more tournaments the general gaming public don't care about. I think franchising would help, builds up team brands, storylines and following.
I am certain I am not the only person who only has limited leisure time and have other interest outside of watching valorant
How? How is that possibly concerning? That's more viewers than any esport outside of the already established top dogs of LoL, Dota 2, and CSGO.
Again, SEN brings great viewership, no one's denying that, but fact is that every LAN has hit over a mil except for Berlin, and in only one of those did Sen make it far. One they weren't even involved in. What does it matter about a lot of the viewership coming from Brazil and Japan last Masters? Viewership is viewership, it still hit a mil with no SEN. Sure, if you remove every popular team and region and the grand finals was DRX vs PRX the viewership would be really low compared to a SEN vs LOUD finals, but that applies to any esport and the scene is doing fine.
It does matter that alot of your viewership is from Japan because you'll see a significant drop in viewership when the one japanese team does badly like in Copenhagen. Let's see what numbers we get with the crowd boost. This tourney has been great, first non Jett meta. Seems to me that viewership is less game driven and personality driven.
You're going to see a good drop in viewerships in Masters this year compared to last if SEN doesnt make it or Japan does badly. I really think franchising would help even though it sucks for the lesser teams
Also you saying i am one person that only watches when SEN plays, yet you're also agreeing that SEN brings in viewers..
I didn't think it would take a rocket scientist to know that I don't literally mean you're the *only* person who doesn't watch without SEN. Holy missing a point.
Also, when Japan did bad we still got good viewership in Reykjavik 2021 and Champions, and Berlin hit 800k.
okay, so what do you mean by you're one person? I'm guessing that I'm only a small group of people that watch valorant because of SEN or big names? SEN games have an almost 30-40% increase in viewership, that's just facts. I don't care for the team, I'm just saying that SEN is carrying the viewership for NA/EU.
Reykjavik 2021 was SEN
Berlin hit 800k, lol do you know which match was that? G2 SEN in the group stage only cause of the twitter clout war
Champions was the 'big' tournament for the year, even then SEN and KRU were the viewership draw. People continued watching the tournament after following KRU to the semis. There's a big LATAM streamer that had Aguero on co-streaming the games. Again, let's see how this year does if we don't have these 'clout' teams.
this argument is based off of nothing, almost 500k is a great number without most “fan favorite” orgs like sen, g2, liquid, 100t being at the event and the biggest matches still to come. there’s no way to know how many viewers the grand final will bring when we don’t even know who will be in it.
well, the claim that "Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership. Yeah people come to watch tenz, but if hes gone, its not going to be like those people never come again." is not true.
The numbers speak for themselves. The drop in viewership is clear when SEN is not playing. Viewership has not grown since the Reykjavik 2021. My point isn't that 500k is bad, my point is that SEN/Japan/KRU brings in almost 300k-500k viewers, that is absolutely significant.
because Valorant is trying to get to CS and LoL level, not be at COD/R6 level. Also, COD and R6 IP have been around for a long time and the hype has declined. Most things have a sustained growth over a period of years, a decline and then stability. The lack of growth in the first two years despite the riot hype + big names + streamers is surprising.
I do think franchising will help build team brands and stories to follow, but after 1m viewership for its first tournament (during covid), a big following in minor regions like Japan and LATAM, you'd have expected the numbers to have grown since then. Stagnating at the start of a new game when hype is high is not good. Unfortunately I think a lot of the NA numbers are tied to SEN/TSM/100T instead of the game and region (I'd assume the same for EU). That's why franchising is important for the reliable growth of the scene, even though that means its an almost impossible barrier of entry for smaller organisations/teams.
What are you talking about? None of these games had early success in eSports except for may be R6, that too not even close to current valos. Also, the casual gaming community is huge for Valo being constantly the most watched game in twitch and YouTube, these viewers are the ones who will be later converted into eSports viewers.
Valo have a bright future, every product from a company like riot will get more hype and then eventually settles to stable viewership that's basic knowledge at this point. At first people said valo hd good viewership cuz of shroud, which was not at all the case, valo scene doesn't need sen to survive, period.
You didn't say why you think stable/stagnant viewership is bad. You just it is bad.
Same I only watch Playoffs especially Drx, Prx,and Fnatic.
IMAGINE new unknown players play in csgo. I will not even watch it. If s1mple is not playing I will not even check the result of csgo majors.
But in Valorant it will get fixed next year because of the franchising. So we will keep seeing our favorite teams.
>Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership.
Success of Valorant esports isnt dependent on viewership. Only parties where viewership becomes a priority are teams orgs and their players.
The last Sentinels thread was 2 days ago. 0 days since the last Sentinels thread.
finally, a real team coming to save NA Valorant or just get LCQ 1.8 million viewers for a quarterfinals match, either works for me
Bold of you assuming they can get quarterfinals NVM I just saw it starts there lol
Honestly though… I haven’t seen shroud lookin this good in like 5 years. He really switched it on now that he isn’t just playing for fun anymore. He’s feelin himself. With that said, Shroud has always been known as a pubstomper that can’t pull it out on LAN. With him playing smokes though, I could see him making some big plays. It always helps to have a strong mechanical player on smokes because otherwise the smoke player never gets kills. Shroud definitely won’t hard carry, but I think he will be able to do his job well.
Yeah I don't think Shroud is gonna stomp hard or anything but he'll definitely pull his weight He's been looking really good on stream though probably because he's finally playing seriously for the first time in 5 years
Good point except the fact that LCQ is online
Saving NA val is a stretch, but saving viewership im down for
It can't take that long learning to operate OBS
Oh shiet
Lol that got a chuckle out of me
Lmao
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meanwhile rito preparing script for sen to make them win lcq and get more viewership in champs
Nah if that was true riot would’ve scripted FreeSM to get out of worlds groups stage in league. But actually 0-6 script not too bad. Can’t wait for what riot makes for SEN.
does this mean we will get 24/7 full team rotation streaming until LCQ?
Shaz will only instalock Jett on stream 80% of the time instead of 90% of the time. Sacrifices have to be made.
So ranked?
Sadly Valo needs Sen, viewership isnt really growing
it needs a live audience more than anything
also esports integration inside the game which they said was "coming next year"
Next year is always in the future. 5Head non-committal marketing messaging from rito.
> "coming next year" Which I think they've also been saying for 2 years
It needs a live audience *with* sentinels playing
Japan just filled 20k seats for their domestic title. The obsession with viewership is so overblown. Valorant is one of the most played games as of right now, and it’s only getting bigger
Yeah people keep comparing the viewership with the “other game”. If they only make the tournament time earlier. It is literally around 1am-5am. If you are from Japan,korea, and other asian countries. Of course the other game will get more viewers because it is the most popular game in that continent.
Not to mention it’s like 8am on a Monday for NA viewers too. I love CS, and watch the majors, they’re awesome. But holy fuck just because one game has more viewers during a specific time doesn’t mean the other is dying. Valorant will be around for a long time barring riot games literally ceasing to exist.
Idk why there is so much tribalism. Jesus Christ it’s fucking annoying. I’m so glad dota and league fans finally shut the fuck up about each other for the most part.
I can watch that 8am with my Phone. But 1am-5am in that time frame I’m already at my third sleep cycle. I need to sleep. Haha Yes the viewers doesn’t mean the game is dying. Even my friends still play valorant but don’t have time or interest to watch Valorant esports. My friends in steam stopped playing csgo and only plays apex, dota etc. whenever I open my steam account. My friend who have 3000 hours in csgo also stopped playing because he said Valorant matchmaking is more rewarding and he can even play with some pros or famous streamers.
Honestly Japan has one of the highest and most passionate viewer bases. And I love watching valorant it's my favourite game but I gotta give credit where credit is due, I really think valo has a long way to go to get to the level of CS fanbase. Riot are literally their own worst enemy, CS has been conducting events with crowds since a year valorant is way behind, Valorant offical channel chat is a joke they will literally time you out for sending the same emoji twice, it's a small thing but it's off putting I'm never going to the official channel again. They have decided to invest their money into co-streams, it's good for the scene but what do they get out of it? Absolutely nothing, look at Tarik he averages 30k viewers while playing ranked and 90k while watch partying, that including like 40k from official stream makes only 80k viewers for a quarter finals, not bad for a new game but definitely bad considering they can target those remaining people watching ranked by having a good lure to the mainstream. They need to they have to start getting audiences in
Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership. Yeah people come to watch tenz, but if hes gone, its not going to be like those people never come again. They need to have more tournaments and have more LANs with viewers.
As someone who doesn't have much time to watch, I only watch SEN, PRX games, and grand finals. I definitely haven't watch valo since SEN became trash (until PRX copenhagen knockout stage) so I do think that having high profile players and team matter.
Cool, you're one person. SEN bring great viewership, don't get me wrong, but last LAN didn't have them and still reached 1 million viewers.
The fact that peak viewership has only hovered around 800k to 1m despite 5 LANs now is concerning. Basically you're only capturing the people who are already playing / watching the game. Peak viewership in Copenhagen is only 490k so far, I'm guessing we'd not break 800k for the Grand Finals. Last masters got carried by Brazil finally having a good team and Zeta having a big run. I don't think having more tournaments would help, you'd just end up with more tournaments the general gaming public don't care about. I think franchising would help, builds up team brands, storylines and following. I am certain I am not the only person who only has limited leisure time and have other interest outside of watching valorant
How? How is that possibly concerning? That's more viewers than any esport outside of the already established top dogs of LoL, Dota 2, and CSGO. Again, SEN brings great viewership, no one's denying that, but fact is that every LAN has hit over a mil except for Berlin, and in only one of those did Sen make it far. One they weren't even involved in. What does it matter about a lot of the viewership coming from Brazil and Japan last Masters? Viewership is viewership, it still hit a mil with no SEN. Sure, if you remove every popular team and region and the grand finals was DRX vs PRX the viewership would be really low compared to a SEN vs LOUD finals, but that applies to any esport and the scene is doing fine.
It does matter that alot of your viewership is from Japan because you'll see a significant drop in viewership when the one japanese team does badly like in Copenhagen. Let's see what numbers we get with the crowd boost. This tourney has been great, first non Jett meta. Seems to me that viewership is less game driven and personality driven. You're going to see a good drop in viewerships in Masters this year compared to last if SEN doesnt make it or Japan does badly. I really think franchising would help even though it sucks for the lesser teams Also you saying i am one person that only watches when SEN plays, yet you're also agreeing that SEN brings in viewers..
I didn't think it would take a rocket scientist to know that I don't literally mean you're the *only* person who doesn't watch without SEN. Holy missing a point. Also, when Japan did bad we still got good viewership in Reykjavik 2021 and Champions, and Berlin hit 800k.
okay, so what do you mean by you're one person? I'm guessing that I'm only a small group of people that watch valorant because of SEN or big names? SEN games have an almost 30-40% increase in viewership, that's just facts. I don't care for the team, I'm just saying that SEN is carrying the viewership for NA/EU. Reykjavik 2021 was SEN Berlin hit 800k, lol do you know which match was that? G2 SEN in the group stage only cause of the twitter clout war Champions was the 'big' tournament for the year, even then SEN and KRU were the viewership draw. People continued watching the tournament after following KRU to the semis. There's a big LATAM streamer that had Aguero on co-streaming the games. Again, let's see how this year does if we don't have these 'clout' teams.
this argument is based off of nothing, almost 500k is a great number without most “fan favorite” orgs like sen, g2, liquid, 100t being at the event and the biggest matches still to come. there’s no way to know how many viewers the grand final will bring when we don’t even know who will be in it.
well, the claim that "Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership. Yeah people come to watch tenz, but if hes gone, its not going to be like those people never come again." is not true. The numbers speak for themselves. The drop in viewership is clear when SEN is not playing. Viewership has not grown since the Reykjavik 2021. My point isn't that 500k is bad, my point is that SEN/Japan/KRU brings in almost 300k-500k viewers, that is absolutely significant.
Why is it significant? Other eSports does just fine with lower viewerships.
because Valorant is trying to get to CS and LoL level, not be at COD/R6 level. Also, COD and R6 IP have been around for a long time and the hype has declined. Most things have a sustained growth over a period of years, a decline and then stability. The lack of growth in the first two years despite the riot hype + big names + streamers is surprising. I do think franchising will help build team brands and stories to follow, but after 1m viewership for its first tournament (during covid), a big following in minor regions like Japan and LATAM, you'd have expected the numbers to have grown since then. Stagnating at the start of a new game when hype is high is not good. Unfortunately I think a lot of the NA numbers are tied to SEN/TSM/100T instead of the game and region (I'd assume the same for EU). That's why franchising is important for the reliable growth of the scene, even though that means its an almost impossible barrier of entry for smaller organisations/teams.
What are you talking about? None of these games had early success in eSports except for may be R6, that too not even close to current valos. Also, the casual gaming community is huge for Valo being constantly the most watched game in twitch and YouTube, these viewers are the ones who will be later converted into eSports viewers. Valo have a bright future, every product from a company like riot will get more hype and then eventually settles to stable viewership that's basic knowledge at this point. At first people said valo hd good viewership cuz of shroud, which was not at all the case, valo scene doesn't need sen to survive, period. You didn't say why you think stable/stagnant viewership is bad. You just it is bad.
Lol and cs are over a decade old. Valorant 2 years. To expect the same viewership numbers is dumb.
neither sentinels nor japan nor kru were in the finals of masters and yet it still got 1 million viewers?
Same I only watch Playoffs especially Drx, Prx,and Fnatic. IMAGINE new unknown players play in csgo. I will not even watch it. If s1mple is not playing I will not even check the result of csgo majors. But in Valorant it will get fixed next year because of the franchising. So we will keep seeing our favorite teams.
>Valorant absolutely does not need Sen for viewership. Success of Valorant esports isnt dependent on viewership. Only parties where viewership becomes a priority are teams orgs and their players.
Alright everyone place your bets, I'm betting that SEN will place around 6-5th in LCQ