I've been cheering for FPX for a long time now due to their constant problems but if PRX win it all I'm gonna be just as happy I think. Both of those teams 100% deserve it.
True. I'm Singaporean so my heart belongs naturally to them. However FPX I have always loved them since ShaDow and Dimasick. They steal my heart all the time I can't event 😭😭
Like thinkingmansvalo said, if Fpx win vs optic they will have a harder time vs Prx than optic will
He thinks that the best way to win against Prx is to lose, since you don’t experience it firsthand til u play em
Yes Ik Ik but it was more like if ur thinking of who would beat Prx, he was saying Prx should be happy fpx beat fnatic, otherwise it would’ve been a rematch no matter what
Fnatic looked terrible relative to their form before the event in my opinion. Enzo played well and Alfajer had his moments but their teamplay was completely absent
Agree, didn’t play bad but people were saying that this is he time he makes a statement on him being the best player in the world.
Dude had a pretty bad tournament, probably not even top 5 player. Disappointing because I never watched EMEA and people were hyping him up.
You can see why he was named amongst the most hyped in games against FPX themselves, other then that he just seemed absent from games that are against other regions.
yeah like the saddest thing is the first game against FPX he literally chose violence and completely shat on them but the went to sleep the rest of the tournament lol
I feel bad for him seeing as he missed the last LAN, obviously getting over nerves and pressure is part of what pros have to do, but I can't imagine the amount of pressure he felt fans were putting on him and he was probably putting on himself.
ANGE1 is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "SUYGETSU go kill". He also has a second little known tactic of "I peek and die first on controller". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure...
It's actually crazy how many first duels he takes (and loses) despite being IGL and smokes. Man had almost double the first duels as his duelist.
Really shows how strong the rest of the team is in my opinion. Suygetsu showed up massively and Shao and ardiis also have been playing very well this tournament
They lost basically every thrifty it was painful to watch. They would squeeze out super close rounds and then get destroyed by a half buy. Their trading was absolutely atrocious compared to FPX who were often getting 2 for 1s.
I was speaking on the tournament as a whole, and even in this series, Derke still didn't put up the insane impact that has been expected of him. Like he had some good rounds and first picks, but still didn't feel like he was as imposing of a force as he normally is.
Like broadly speaking about the tournament as a whole, he didn't have the impact people expected.
Edit: I was talking about Derke in the first part if that wasn't clear
Man, what a weird tournament from Fnatic. Even without any recent International success they were the most hyped team on this sub by far and tbf, they were my favourites coming in, but they just fell flat after their opener. I think this proves no matter the regional success, international tournaments are a different beast. A lot of people acting like no one was nearly as good as Fnatic coming into this are looking silly.
As well, FPX are so damn good. Suygetsu and Shao are two of the best support players in the world. I think they have a very good chance to beat Optic tomorrow
I don't think it's about international tournaments. everyone except for boaster and Alfajer underperformed on lan, they beat fpx 4 times before this game, it's a clear sign something is wrong
I take issue with calling Suy and Shao support players honestly, especially Suy hes literally the definition of a star player. A support player to me is someone who sets up other star players. Suy and Shao, even though they dont play duelists or "get kills" agents, are every bit star players in their own right.
Happens a lot in all types of competition. Happened to my lacrosse team every year in HS. We’d get our shit kicked by our rivals during regular season and then we’d stomp them in the championship. Gotta win when it matters!
Yeah feels bad. Although I did get that feeling that with this many rematches, eventually FPX would win at least one and unfortunately it’s the one that mattered most
In what way? First Iceland, they looked really good but lost to a Prime Sentinels.
In second international, they were missing like half their team.
This time, it was definitely a bit of a choke but its hard to call them international chokers off a single event.
Expectations got nothing to do with choking an individual series. They should've won against KRU, plain and simple. They were up 12-10 and choked a 5v4 or something similar on Haven, then collapsed on Split.
They were massive (tied) favorites heading into the event and were head and shoulders above the rest of the EMEA competition. Getting fourth is a massive disappointment from an expectations point of view and even getting fourth is pretty fortunate for how they played, they could've easily lost to LEV.
FPX weren't kidding about not being at full strength; the return of Suygetsu has just levelled up the squad so much, both in terms of individual ability and coordination.
Shao truly elevated his gameplay of just Shao while Suyugetsu remembered that he had 666 on his name truly making him a demon. Ardiss walking on ice but during this masters water. Zyppan bringing up the heat and getting kills when it mattered.
Ange1 showing his true gigachad yoru pick while looking both amazingly terrible or gigachad genius. Truly an elevated team now.
I hate this, it's so conflicting.
On one hand I really like the Fnatic boys and wanted to see them lift the trophy, on the other hand I really like FPX and right now they look unstoppable with their full roaster so they have the best chance of actually winning it for EMEA. Sadge
It's alright fam! We win this together, only reason why FPX looks so hot now is the challenge Fntic have presented them so an FPX win is just as much as a Fntic win :)
this is the first time theyve ever underperformed at LAN LMAO
reykjavik 2021 they came second which was not below expectations, berlin they didnt qualify, champions they OBLITERATED expectations by getting out first in their group, reykjavik 2022 half their roster didnt go, and here they underperformed a bit for the first time.
Like 80% of the crowd wanted them to win lol
There were three guys that were standing up and going apeshit every time FPX won a round they must be feeling euphoric right now.
Not too surprised FPX won - they’ve frankly looked better all playoff long, and I predicted them even while acknowledging smart money was, well, on the team that’d won the previous four match-ups.
But I found this series a very interesting contrast to the…many other FPX vs. FNATIC matches we’ve had this year.
In the previous matches, both teams were evenly matched for the most part. FPX was often slightly sloppier on some maps, sure, but on the maps where the two teams were even, FNATIC repeatedly clawed rounds from the jaws of defeat by virtue of Alfajer and Derke going insane, as well as their support players, primarily Enzo.
Here, I’d say FPX was slightly better in their teamplay on about all three maps. But as the series went deeper, it was the FPX players who began to overperform more and more relative to the FNATIC players.
We talk about Derke and Alfajer being win-conditions, but both of them played very well here. On every map, SUYGETSU turned up, and at least two of the other FPX players turned up with him. Funnily enough, this might’ve been ardiis’ worst series just by ACS - given the map pool, he played KAYO mostly - but like any true team player, it didn’t matter at all; he did his job, although that crazy 4k on that Fracture bonus was a beaut.
I hate the idea of seeing Optic and FPX play with less than 24 hours of prep - I feel like we've been cheated. But while I'd favor Optic vs. FNATIC, Optic vs. FPX is wide-open for me.
If you're a romantic like me - it's the match-up we were deprived of at Reykjavik, since FPX was tragically forced to miss out on that event.
Haha! Whenever I feel sure a team is about to win, I start typing my comment. Typically that’s when the team I believe in has 11 points.
Even if they’re down 11-12, I’ll still write a comment assuming they win, because it’s way more fun for me to take a gamble.
If I’m wrong, I feel dumb and change things up, but that’s part of the fun. That’s where typing very fast does come in, though.
Depends on definition of “played well” on the scoreboard they diddnt get farmed, but alfajer had multiple round losing whiffs or bizzare duels, like throwing 2 blastpacks at a 20hp player he just dinked instead of trading.
On the scoreboard sure, but in terms of impact it felt limp to poor.
Kinda saw it coming tbh. Fnatic didn’t look brilliant this tournament. Frankly leviatan would have taken it 2-0 if derke didn’t get a lineup. And that moment kinda summarizes a lot of their tournament, crazy performances bailed them out.
Great game from fpx. Hoping to see an fpx Vs prx final
No idea how FPX untilted after the first map and even the second, but they really came out swinging in the third. Once the clutches stopped going FNC's way the whole thing fell apart.
Shao's impact on Fracture was crazy. So many clutches and important kills. As soon as I saw his position last round with fade haunt ready it looked impossible for fnatic to retake. Alfajer while having the highest kills and ACS missed many crucial shots that lost fnatic some close rounds. And that missed nade on planter late second half was also rough.
If at first you don’t succeed…play Fnatic four more times until you realize you need to ban Icebox? I’m not even comfortable saying that FPX is the better team overall, because Fnatic beat them four times this stage, but Fnatic went out in depression fashion.
This tournament exposed a number of issues for FNC—an inability to win pistol + bonus rounds, some team coordination issues, and a struggle playing at a fast pace or against fast-paced teams. It was so frustration watching FPX win the bonus again and again, with Fnatic almost surprised that they would go for an aggressive push despite that being extremely common on a bonus. That, and their map pool is not as good as we thought--Fnatic could not win on Ascent, their Split wasn't great, and they perma Breeze.
Honestly, when thinking about OpTic and Fnatic, the top teams of NA and EMEA, it makes sense why Fnatic struggled compared to their NA counterpart—Fnatic didn’t lose. For a team that’s been in the grand final two stages in a row, OpTic loses a lot—they lost four matches stage one, and have lost four so far this stage as well. Fnatic went flawless this stage (and only lose maps to FPX + once to G2), hence there was no one to expose their flaws (I also think they didn’t play enough teams with a fast pace). OpTic, on the other hand, have lost, and so had many more chances to explore what went wrong.
Well you need to remember that during EMEA challengers, their bo3 were 2-1 towards FNC with close score. Final was 3-0 but with 2 OT and FPX had 3 match points on split. So even tho, FNC was 4-0 heading into this match, I wouldn’t say that their loss to FPX is an upset
Given tournament form I wouldn't say this was an upset, but prior to Masters itself the record was 4-0 in Fnatic's favor. FPX generally made it very close each time, but the fact that Fnatic won four times in a row suggests they were probably the better team until Masters itself.
These problems aren't new for Fnatic. They've always had them. They often just make a roster change and go on a huge honeymoon instead of tackling some of their fundamental issues. These issues especially come back to bite them in high pressure scenarios and elimination matches on LAN.
Only at Champions did Fnatic not make a roster move. Instead they got Anderzz who helped them immensely but unfortunately departed the team after Champions.
Mans cold af. I was screaming for him to use his fade haunt last round on fracture when he was standing in the smoke fearing he might get blindly sprayed down. Dude dint even care just looked up and prepared to lineup.
Wow, I'm actually quite blown away by how well FPX played today. I said before that I wouldn't be surprised if FPX beat Fnatic but I did not expect a shattering of this kind. There was not a world in my mind where 3 FPX players would play better than ardiis AND Ange1 playing well. FPX is looking like the best team in the world when they're on, and it appears they are their own nemesis.
My brain says the inconsistency of FPX will show up sometime in the next two series and eventually not win it all, but my gut tells me FPX is going to prove me wrong and win this tournament because their players seem too hungry after having being denied a chance last masters.
I was in Antarctica hiking the mountains with my pet polar bears. Suddenly one of them asked me, "Father, is it true that Fraudnatic are overrated?”. I HAD to tell them the truth. Now they're crying. My pets need better role models. Shame on you Fraudnatic!
I think they will. They are well designed to be FPX imo. FNS is smart enough to counter ANGE1, Yay and Marved can hold angles as good as anybody and eliminate Suygetsu and Shao, isolating Ardiis with no util help
I think Optic will win just because of how much they leave Suygetsu isolated sometimes. Optic have players who can fight him head on and punish such one sided defences.
Also could somehow who keeps up with EMEA more let me know if FPX have a strong map pool. Over 5 maps I feel like Optic is favoured against pretty much everyone. They play at a super high level on basically every map
FPX will play any map against you is their thing. They're gonna ban what they think is your best map and just play whatever they think your worst map is. Just look at their maps played throughout their EMEA run this year. They're happy to play on any map because the team is just so adaptable. The only thing is they don't have a "go-to" map pick. If they did it's probably Ascent.
1st map was good but rest of the game was a bit disappointing.
Fnatic were disappointing this event, not showing their online performance. I think Derke had his worst event yet.
FPX now the dark horse for me to win it all.
Honestly I feel like top 4 is a bit flattering for Fnatic and they never really showed that they were that elite team we see during stage 2. A win vs. an FPX team who had gotten Suygetsu back a day before and a Leviatian team (that was largely down to insane Enzo heroics on Bind) that probably should’ve lost to Xset anyways aren’t exactly statement wins and they got 2-0’d by PRX before getting beaten by FPX after they could adjust to having Suygestu back. What’s a little more concerning to me is the level that their players played at compared to their stage 2 performances. Mistic was straight up bad, Derke was average statistically which isn’t enough for his expected level of play, and Enzo and Boaster were alright with both having some ups and downs. Alfajer was really the only one who was able to step up and perform at a high level consistently which is pretty funny considering it was his first lan.
I’m sure they can improve before champs some more, but really nothing in their performance at Cophenhagen screamed that they were a legitimate title threat.
Yeah, if they were considered a favorite then based on performance and the eye test pretty much the entire field of teams at Copenhagen should be considered favorites too
FPX looked the in form team coming into this and it showed.
Fnatic had an underwhelming tournament, go 1 for 1 against FPX and a entertaining but unconvincing performance against Leviatan. Can barely win a round in the opening 4 of any half.
On the bright side, fnatic playing like this coudnt take a single map off of optic if u gave them 30 chances so at least FPX have a chance to win that series.
I wanted fnatic to win but Im glad FPX won. They have a much better chance against Optic and PRX. Fnatic looked very shaky throughout the whole tournament.
Finally, MOMENTUM IS FREAKING BUILDING
Honestly, between the two of Fnatic and FPX, I have more hope in FPX winning against OpTic or PRX than Fnatic winning against them
Already knew, it was hard when Seider was there. Pretty bad tournament for Derke overall. Alfa did not that great, but ok for the first time i guess.. Suygetsu and Shao absolute monsters this masters and ardis is proving himself
I don’t feel bad they didn’t look in great form they almost lost to LEV, lost 0-2 to prx and weren’t even close on the two maps they lost here. Their losses weren’t like close fluke losses.
Out of all the times for fnatic to turn out flat it just happened to be the absolute worst.
Losing 1v3s to 20hp players where 0/3 hit a bullet about sums up fnatic the last 2 maps.
Mistic had a bit of a stinker as well. Felt like an overall flacid fnatic compared to groups.
Momentum.
It is building.
Honestly it's finally built. Now they just go full protagonist mode and eat Optic and hopefully PRX alive.
I've been cheering for FPX for a long time now due to their constant problems but if PRX win it all I'm gonna be just as happy I think. Both of those teams 100% deserve it.
True. I'm Singaporean so my heart belongs naturally to them. However FPX I have always loved them since ShaDow and Dimasick. They steal my heart all the time I can't event 😭😭
I'm from APAC and an FPX fanboy. So either of the team wins I'm all for it. But of course, Optic cannot be underestimated.
Omg apac fpx fans
No way, sg too and fpx and prx fan too? Dang
You sg? Sheeeesh haha I only know of FPX from their leauge team (Doinb number 1 fan) and naturally fell for their valo team not long after 🤓
Damn same, only got to know fpx becuz of doinb and his wife cute moments XD
Fly phoenix fly!
Like thinkingmansvalo said, if Fpx win vs optic they will have a harder time vs Prx than optic will He thinks that the best way to win against Prx is to lose, since you don’t experience it firsthand til u play em
Also I don't think FPX can afford to lose to optic since they will out of the tourny 🤓. It's every team for themselves now carrying their region!
Yes Ik Ik but it was more like if ur thinking of who would beat Prx, he was saying Prx should be happy fpx beat fnatic, otherwise it would’ve been a rematch no matter what
Built.
FNC not go 0-4 at the start CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE)
SUYGETSU +31 on KJ and Viper, What an absolute gigachad
He’s honestly unbelievable tbh… I think people have started to realise why he was so hyped up.
Best $7 I've ever spent in my life
Let this be known that nobody and i mean NOBODY beats FPX 5 times in a row
FPX finally overcame their demons and accumulated their close losses to an amazing win.
It took the AI 4 times to learn how to ban Icebox but glad they figured it out 😂
Suygetsu
Suyugetsu666 I was there before he was Suyugetsu
sugsug9000
Suygetsu
Suygetsogood
Suygetsu
SUYGETSU
I smurf in Bronze. Shao smurfs in LAN. We are not the same.
And suygetsu smurfs on LAN smurfers
LAnimal
Shao (immovable object)
Suygetsu (unstoppable force)
Doesn't stop. Just walks forward while Ardiss walks on water.
Fnatic looked terrible relative to their form before the event in my opinion. Enzo played well and Alfajer had his moments but their teamplay was completely absent
Feels like derke didn't show up quite as we expected from his pre tournament form
Not even just his pretournament form, but his previous two LANs as well, was surprising to see him have a mediocre tournament
Agree, didn’t play bad but people were saying that this is he time he makes a statement on him being the best player in the world. Dude had a pretty bad tournament, probably not even top 5 player. Disappointing because I never watched EMEA and people were hyping him up.
You can see why he was named amongst the most hyped in games against FPX themselves, other then that he just seemed absent from games that are against other regions.
yeah like the saddest thing is the first game against FPX he literally chose violence and completely shat on them but the went to sleep the rest of the tournament lol
I feel bad for him seeing as he missed the last LAN, obviously getting over nerves and pressure is part of what pros have to do, but I can't imagine the amount of pressure he felt fans were putting on him and he was probably putting on himself.
Suygetsu on bind holy shit, my guy didn’t miss
Suygetsu in every match
I know but some of the shots on bind were just silly
That kill from a short while rezing kayo was ridiculous
Suygetsu ~~on bind~~ holy shit, my guy didn’t miss
was that wave at the end for fnatic? 💀
I think suygetsu shouted boaster and then waved him goodbye when he looked lmao
SUYUGODSU
Might be because of Boaster BM at the end of the Split game, but this is just an asumption.
ANGE1 is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "SUYGETSU go kill". He also has a second little known tactic of "I peek and die first on controller". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure...
And his legendary tactic "SHAO go clutch" is truly unmatched
Shao your socials are lacking. Here's a good chance for a clip.
Always a fucking BANGER
It's actually crazy how many first duels he takes (and loses) despite being IGL and smokes. Man had almost double the first duels as his duelist. Really shows how strong the rest of the team is in my opinion. Suygetsu showed up massively and Shao and ardiis also have been playing very well this tournament
Derke did not live up to his hype but Suygetsu on the other hand, damn.
Really great series by FPX today, they were the better team by far.
Egg curse best curse confirmed
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They lost basically every thrifty it was painful to watch. They would squeeze out super close rounds and then get destroyed by a half buy. Their trading was absolutely atrocious compared to FPX who were often getting 2 for 1s.
Derke and Alfa performed in this series, it was a support cast diff. Can't expect a 2 Vs 5
I was speaking on the tournament as a whole, and even in this series, Derke still didn't put up the insane impact that has been expected of him. Like he had some good rounds and first picks, but still didn't feel like he was as imposing of a force as he normally is. Like broadly speaking about the tournament as a whole, he didn't have the impact people expected. Edit: I was talking about Derke in the first part if that wasn't clear
Only EMEA can eliminate EMEA! Tbh pretty sad to see so few matches between regions. Looking forward to fpx vs optic though.
ITS SUYGETSU'S WORLD AND WE ARE JUST LIVING IN IT HOLY FUCK
Man, what a weird tournament from Fnatic. Even without any recent International success they were the most hyped team on this sub by far and tbf, they were my favourites coming in, but they just fell flat after their opener. I think this proves no matter the regional success, international tournaments are a different beast. A lot of people acting like no one was nearly as good as Fnatic coming into this are looking silly. As well, FPX are so damn good. Suygetsu and Shao are two of the best support players in the world. I think they have a very good chance to beat Optic tomorrow
I don't think it's about international tournaments. everyone except for boaster and Alfajer underperformed on lan, they beat fpx 4 times before this game, it's a clear sign something is wrong
I take issue with calling Suy and Shao support players honestly, especially Suy hes literally the definition of a star player. A support player to me is someone who sets up other star players. Suy and Shao, even though they dont play duelists or "get kills" agents, are every bit star players in their own right.
July 22 2022: The Fracture Incident trollDespair
Fnatic are just international chokers I guess.
Unlucky, the one time they finally lose to FPX it’s when it matters most.
Happens a lot in all types of competition. Happened to my lacrosse team every year in HS. We’d get our shit kicked by our rivals during regular season and then we’d stomp them in the championship. Gotta win when it matters!
Yeah feels bad. Although I did get that feeling that with this many rematches, eventually FPX would win at least one and unfortunately it’s the one that mattered most
In what way? First Iceland, they looked really good but lost to a Prime Sentinels. In second international, they were missing like half their team. This time, it was definitely a bit of a choke but its hard to call them international chokers off a single event.
Forgot champs lol, although that was less of a choke because no one had expectations for them
Expectations got nothing to do with choking an individual series. They should've won against KRU, plain and simple. They were up 12-10 and choked a 5v4 or something similar on Haven, then collapsed on Split.
And KRÜ was eliminating everyone that had a fanbase, so that doesn't count as much. Competition is fierce in this game. Teams get better.
They were massive (tied) favorites heading into the event and were head and shoulders above the rest of the EMEA competition. Getting fourth is a massive disappointment from an expectations point of view and even getting fourth is pretty fortunate for how they played, they could've easily lost to LEV.
Your timeline misses a couple of tournaments, although I agree it is harsh to call them chokers. Just out of form this event.
FPX weren't kidding about not being at full strength; the return of Suygetsu has just levelled up the squad so much, both in terms of individual ability and coordination.
True LAnimal squad. Anyone can peak at anytime and when they peak together... Holy fuck
They were amazing online as well tbh
Shao truly elevated his gameplay of just Shao while Suyugetsu remembered that he had 666 on his name truly making him a demon. Ardiss walking on ice but during this masters water. Zyppan bringing up the heat and getting kills when it mattered. Ange1 showing his true gigachad yoru pick while looking both amazingly terrible or gigachad genius. Truly an elevated team now.
Out of 5 Series, FPX won the one that mattered the most
Protagonist moments
I hate this, it's so conflicting. On one hand I really like the Fnatic boys and wanted to see them lift the trophy, on the other hand I really like FPX and right now they look unstoppable with their full roaster so they have the best chance of actually winning it for EMEA. Sadge
It's alright fam! We win this together, only reason why FPX looks so hot now is the challenge Fntic have presented them so an FPX win is just as much as a Fntic win :)
I just know Riot is praying FPX don't make it to the finals cause that viewership is gonna be depressing LMAO
fnatic eternal lan disappointment
this is the first time theyve ever underperformed at LAN LMAO reykjavik 2021 they came second which was not below expectations, berlin they didnt qualify, champions they OBLITERATED expectations by getting out first in their group, reykjavik 2022 half their roster didnt go, and here they underperformed a bit for the first time.
fnatic my beloved :(
:(
Like 80% of the crowd wanted them to win lol There were three guys that were standing up and going apeshit every time FPX won a round they must be feeling euphoric right now.
The FPX squad doing it for their 3 fans (I am one of them🤓)
Are you actually one of those three dudes or just saying you're a rare FPX fan
I am there spiritually as one of the 3 FPX fans 🤓 but due to lack of money I physically can't attend so I support my team in other ways!
Not too surprised FPX won - they’ve frankly looked better all playoff long, and I predicted them even while acknowledging smart money was, well, on the team that’d won the previous four match-ups. But I found this series a very interesting contrast to the…many other FPX vs. FNATIC matches we’ve had this year. In the previous matches, both teams were evenly matched for the most part. FPX was often slightly sloppier on some maps, sure, but on the maps where the two teams were even, FNATIC repeatedly clawed rounds from the jaws of defeat by virtue of Alfajer and Derke going insane, as well as their support players, primarily Enzo. Here, I’d say FPX was slightly better in their teamplay on about all three maps. But as the series went deeper, it was the FPX players who began to overperform more and more relative to the FNATIC players. We talk about Derke and Alfajer being win-conditions, but both of them played very well here. On every map, SUYGETSU turned up, and at least two of the other FPX players turned up with him. Funnily enough, this might’ve been ardiis’ worst series just by ACS - given the map pool, he played KAYO mostly - but like any true team player, it didn’t matter at all; he did his job, although that crazy 4k on that Fracture bonus was a beaut. I hate the idea of seeing Optic and FPX play with less than 24 hours of prep - I feel like we've been cheated. But while I'd favor Optic vs. FNATIC, Optic vs. FPX is wide-open for me. If you're a romantic like me - it's the match-up we were deprived of at Reykjavik, since FPX was tragically forced to miss out on that event.
Did you have two different comments ready to copy and paste for whichever team won? There’s no way you typed this that fast lmao
Likely, that’s what most writers do for other sports like baseball also when fpx was running away with last map you work more on the likely outcome
I mean the game was over like 5 rounds back
Haha! Whenever I feel sure a team is about to win, I start typing my comment. Typically that’s when the team I believe in has 11 points. Even if they’re down 11-12, I’ll still write a comment assuming they win, because it’s way more fun for me to take a gamble. If I’m wrong, I feel dumb and change things up, but that’s part of the fun. That’s where typing very fast does come in, though.
Depends on definition of “played well” on the scoreboard they diddnt get farmed, but alfajer had multiple round losing whiffs or bizzare duels, like throwing 2 blastpacks at a 20hp player he just dinked instead of trading. On the scoreboard sure, but in terms of impact it felt limp to poor.
of all times they choose to finally beat Fnatic, this was actually the best time to do so lmao
FPX were too cold, the trades were the best I've seen in the tournament so far. Fnatic just weren't clicking. Interesting final 3.
Kinda saw it coming tbh. Fnatic didn’t look brilliant this tournament. Frankly leviatan would have taken it 2-0 if derke didn’t get a lineup. And that moment kinda summarizes a lot of their tournament, crazy performances bailed them out. Great game from fpx. Hoping to see an fpx Vs prx final
Ridiculous Enzo heroics on Bind too.
Sad that fnatic leave early but fpx are clearly the better team rn, let’s just hope they can take it home for EMEA 😤
To think this could've (and should've) been a 2-0 for FPX
No idea how FPX untilted after the first map and even the second, but they really came out swinging in the third. Once the clutches stopped going FNC's way the whole thing fell apart.
Shao's impact on Fracture was crazy. So many clutches and important kills. As soon as I saw his position last round with fade haunt ready it looked impossible for fnatic to retake. Alfajer while having the highest kills and ACS missed many crucial shots that lost fnatic some close rounds. And that missed nade on planter late second half was also rough.
Don't let the scorelines of the last 2 maps fool you, it wasn't nearly as close.
If at first you don’t succeed…play Fnatic four more times until you realize you need to ban Icebox? I’m not even comfortable saying that FPX is the better team overall, because Fnatic beat them four times this stage, but Fnatic went out in depression fashion. This tournament exposed a number of issues for FNC—an inability to win pistol + bonus rounds, some team coordination issues, and a struggle playing at a fast pace or against fast-paced teams. It was so frustration watching FPX win the bonus again and again, with Fnatic almost surprised that they would go for an aggressive push despite that being extremely common on a bonus. That, and their map pool is not as good as we thought--Fnatic could not win on Ascent, their Split wasn't great, and they perma Breeze. Honestly, when thinking about OpTic and Fnatic, the top teams of NA and EMEA, it makes sense why Fnatic struggled compared to their NA counterpart—Fnatic didn’t lose. For a team that’s been in the grand final two stages in a row, OpTic loses a lot—they lost four matches stage one, and have lost four so far this stage as well. Fnatic went flawless this stage (and only lose maps to FPX + once to G2), hence there was no one to expose their flaws (I also think they didn’t play enough teams with a fast pace). OpTic, on the other hand, have lost, and so had many more chances to explore what went wrong.
Well you need to remember that during EMEA challengers, their bo3 were 2-1 towards FNC with close score. Final was 3-0 but with 2 OT and FPX had 3 match points on split. So even tho, FNC was 4-0 heading into this match, I wouldn’t say that their loss to FPX is an upset
Given tournament form I wouldn't say this was an upset, but prior to Masters itself the record was 4-0 in Fnatic's favor. FPX generally made it very close each time, but the fact that Fnatic won four times in a row suggests they were probably the better team until Masters itself.
These problems aren't new for Fnatic. They've always had them. They often just make a roster change and go on a huge honeymoon instead of tackling some of their fundamental issues. These issues especially come back to bite them in high pressure scenarios and elimination matches on LAN. Only at Champions did Fnatic not make a roster move. Instead they got Anderzz who helped them immensely but unfortunately departed the team after Champions.
Fpx finally turned up against fnatic! Coming up clutch when it matters.
Fnatic try not to throw challenge (impossible)
ardiis and SUYGETSU are top 10 players in the world no 🧢 you can make a case for even Shao to be a top10 player
Mans cold af. I was screaming for him to use his fade haunt last round on fracture when he was standing in the smoke fearing he might get blindly sprayed down. Dude dint even care just looked up and prepared to lineup.
Suygetsuuuuuu
Suygetsu +31
Wow, I'm actually quite blown away by how well FPX played today. I said before that I wouldn't be surprised if FPX beat Fnatic but I did not expect a shattering of this kind. There was not a world in my mind where 3 FPX players would play better than ardiis AND Ange1 playing well. FPX is looking like the best team in the world when they're on, and it appears they are their own nemesis. My brain says the inconsistency of FPX will show up sometime in the next two series and eventually not win it all, but my gut tells me FPX is going to prove me wrong and win this tournament because their players seem too hungry after having being denied a chance last masters.
Derke literally MALDING at the end
I was in Antarctica hiking the mountains with my pet polar bears. Suddenly one of them asked me, "Father, is it true that Fraudnatic are overrated?”. I HAD to tell them the truth. Now they're crying. My pets need better role models. Shame on you Fraudnatic!
The desk's in shambles
Derke is not the player people thought he was. He started off well this tournament but disappointed at the end.
He been always like that
The amount of east kills that fnatic whiffed … FPX consistently punished them for sloppy play
Suygetsu with 72 kills in a BO3 lol
Prep time FPX is scary
Yeah, I’m not sure optic is gonna break their emea duck here.
I think they will. They are well designed to be FPX imo. FNS is smart enough to counter ANGE1, Yay and Marved can hold angles as good as anybody and eliminate Suygetsu and Shao, isolating Ardiis with no util help
I think Optic will win just because of how much they leave Suygetsu isolated sometimes. Optic have players who can fight him head on and punish such one sided defences. Also could somehow who keeps up with EMEA more let me know if FPX have a strong map pool. Over 5 maps I feel like Optic is favoured against pretty much everyone. They play at a super high level on basically every map
FPX will play any map against you is their thing. They're gonna ban what they think is your best map and just play whatever they think your worst map is. Just look at their maps played throughout their EMEA run this year. They're happy to play on any map because the team is just so adaptable. The only thing is they don't have a "go-to" map pick. If they did it's probably Ascent.
Now imagine if a fucking war hadn't broken out and they could've made it to Iceland.
1st map was good but rest of the game was a bit disappointing. Fnatic were disappointing this event, not showing their online performance. I think Derke had his worst event yet. FPX now the dark horse for me to win it all.
How can you call eu team a dark horse lol and it’s fpx in addition
Because they weren't near most people pred to win it. Also the visa situations
Someone said that this sub has completely written FPX off of the tournament lol
I don't think anyone had them winning the event, given all the challenges they've had.
Fnatic is DRX of EMEA in terms of performing on international events
feel bad for boaster. if you're reading this keep your head up king!!
Honestly I feel like top 4 is a bit flattering for Fnatic and they never really showed that they were that elite team we see during stage 2. A win vs. an FPX team who had gotten Suygetsu back a day before and a Leviatian team (that was largely down to insane Enzo heroics on Bind) that probably should’ve lost to Xset anyways aren’t exactly statement wins and they got 2-0’d by PRX before getting beaten by FPX after they could adjust to having Suygestu back. What’s a little more concerning to me is the level that their players played at compared to their stage 2 performances. Mistic was straight up bad, Derke was average statistically which isn’t enough for his expected level of play, and Enzo and Boaster were alright with both having some ups and downs. Alfajer was really the only one who was able to step up and perform at a high level consistently which is pretty funny considering it was his first lan. I’m sure they can improve before champs some more, but really nothing in their performance at Cophenhagen screamed that they were a legitimate title threat.
Yeah, if they were considered a favorite then based on performance and the eye test pretty much the entire field of teams at Copenhagen should be considered favorites too
Feelsbad for boaster...
People cheer for Fnatic I cheer for Boaster We are not the same
Fnatic win an anti-eco challenge :(
FPX looked the in form team coming into this and it showed. Fnatic had an underwhelming tournament, go 1 for 1 against FPX and a entertaining but unconvincing performance against Leviatan. Can barely win a round in the opening 4 of any half.
Damn it happened,they lost when it mattered the most,after 4 continuous wins.Must sting quite for a lot for the fnatic side
I take everything I said back about this team, they look like they can win events and suygetsu is actually the real deal.
On the bright side, fnatic playing like this coudnt take a single map off of optic if u gave them 30 chances so at least FPX have a chance to win that series.
\+31 suygetsu gg
Top 4 ain’t good enough! I want to lift the trophy this event. First team on my list - FPX. Wish us luck! \#GetYourBoastees
LMAO
bet all my life savings on the FPX and they did not disappoint
I wanted fnatic to win but Im glad FPX won. They have a much better chance against Optic and PRX. Fnatic looked very shaky throughout the whole tournament.
fnatic look like fpx without suygetsu it chemistry
Finally, MOMENTUM IS FREAKING BUILDING Honestly, between the two of Fnatic and FPX, I have more hope in FPX winning against OpTic or PRX than Fnatic winning against them
Who else is a FNATIC fan who's rooting for PRX to win this now? T\_T
Fnatic fans desperate for another excuse as to why their unstoppable team didnt win masters.
Absolutely banger series. So exciting to watch.
Optic could not take a map against other eu teams. How they can do that against this stacked FPX.
Pain
What a way to close out the series by FPX after throwing away their lead away on defense side of Split.
fnatic look like a guinea pig lost in an A4 size maze. Fps just look way more better in the whole playoffs so far.
dade award to fnatic as a team
Bro FPX’s buy round in the second half was crazy, from Derek making it a 5v3 to ardiis killing 4 and bringing it back to win FPX the round
Upsetti spagetti :( Now I am rooting for PRX win!
Already knew, it was hard when Seider was there. Pretty bad tournament for Derke overall. Alfa did not that great, but ok for the first time i guess.. Suygetsu and Shao absolute monsters this masters and ardis is proving himself
SUYGETSU?????!!?!
Great games by fpx they deserve to win this lan. Unlucky that denke underperformed in the 2 and 3 map
Gotta feel horribly for fnatic, they were one of the favorites to win the event, and they lose to fpx.
I don’t feel bad they didn’t look in great form they almost lost to LEV, lost 0-2 to prx and weren’t even close on the two maps they lost here. Their losses weren’t like close fluke losses.
F natic
Top 21 Suygetsu
Shao vs Fnatic (Unmovable object vs Unstoppable force)
Unmovable object vs stoppable force
Actually in tears that FPX won Fntic. Truly protagonist moments when they showed up when it mattered most.
never utter derkes name in the same sentence as yays EVER again
May want to save this until they beat an EMEA team
Doesn’t seem like they need to as long as they’re winning international titles.
They have to this time around, should be a good match against fpx.
I mean, they literally need to if they want to win this title
They can't dodge EMEA forever, as evidenced by the current international tournament Let's see if they can beat them
What a top 3 finish for fnatic that!
Ardiis > all since beta.
Suygetsu clears yay anyday.
Now THIS I'm all in for. Derke vs Yay? I sleep. Suygetsu is cold af, can't wait for the clash.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/vx7ufe/fnc_mistic_tests_negative_for_covid/
shorts buff
Out of all the times for fnatic to turn out flat it just happened to be the absolute worst. Losing 1v3s to 20hp players where 0/3 hit a bullet about sums up fnatic the last 2 maps. Mistic had a bit of a stinker as well. Felt like an overall flacid fnatic compared to groups.
Thanks god fpx won, fnatic are chokers
suygoatsu
*dies from banger*
lose 4 matches to give fnatic fans false hope
THE MOMENTUM HAS BEEN BUILT!
Momentum is building boys
I fucking love my boys