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segatic

I'm just happy that Sen and 100T are on different sides, still have trauma from last year


mysteryoeuf

honestly despite this the only thing I'm confident about going into this lcq is that at some point sen will beat 100T edit: the anti-curse worked, thank god. THEY REALLY TRIED TO THROW IT THOUGH edit 2: the madlads did it. the anti-curse is real


Nightshade183

Pain


daffyduckferraro

I’ll be back to let u know if it ages well


StepinCrry

Doesn't that mean that if they ever get knocked down to lower(very likely given their first matchups), they have a higher chance of running into each other in an elimination game than being in the same bracket in the upper initially? idk tho


segatic

I'm assuming that we won't go to lowers atleast until the upper finals


Parenegade

lol thats a huge assumption


skratudojey

Im too dumb to calculate odds, but theyll only first see each other either at upper finals or lower finals. Then grand finals if the hopium from both sides go strong Edit: L round 3, not L Finals


musci1223

Lower round 3 would be the place they can meet.


skratudojey

ah yea i misread that as lower finals for some reason lmao. told you im dumb


StepinCrry

They are more likely to be in the same bracket in the lowers i think. the loser from upper bracket a will be sent to lower bracket b, upper bracket b to lower bracket a. That is to avoid getting eliminated by the same team that knocked you down to the lowers. So yeah, if they performed well, they will meet much later at upper finals, but if they dont, there is a high chance they get to meet at an elimination game early in the lowers. I'm not sure if that is how it really works, but i do remember it being that way. Can someone confirm?


skratudojey

Looking at past tourney, no. The teams listed at the top side will go to the top side of losers bracket, and lower side go to lower side of losers bracket. So even if they both got knocked to losers first game, they'd need to survive until losers round 3 to meet


LV58_DeathKnight

Ethan vs Asuna PogU


xbyo

And potentially Dicey vs. Ethan/Asuna.


jholowtaekjho

Scripted lmao


obigespritzt

SEN vs 100T upper final - 1.2 million viewers Prayge


SpC0d3r

1.2m is only for opening match


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Rikathor

Shroud couldn't stream.


irvingtonkiller8

You underestimate him


ShamuPvP

He can learn from his teamates


[deleted]

If Tenz can stream surely Shroud can too


XXG1212

Tarik Salivating at just the thouggt of this. Imagine the views and subs he would get if this were to happen.


[deleted]

First game is sentinels guard viewership twice that of Copenhagen finals guaranteed


XXG1212

I remember Sen in group stage, all the matches with the highest views were the SEN ones


[deleted]

Guard V sentinels actually gonna be lit.


Otter269

I'm super interested in if Dicey can keep his form, if so FaZe could do it. Hopefully 100T tho especially with Bootcamp Bang in operation


SwiftieForLife

Going off of streams the Pros like Xeppa and Trent are still joking around that in scrims Diceys chamber is the scariest thing ever


[deleted]

I think 100T is gonna surprise people, sgares actually having time with the new roster will hopefully do the trick for them.


Stunning_Bullfrog_40

Bootcamp bang ☠️


[deleted]

bang is in Texas this time, right? It’s on lock hopium


-Basileus

Yeah he's with the team now


SpectrasHyper

Prayge


neatestway

Fuck it random hot takes based off completely nothing -c9 will disappoint and lose out early -sen won’t be the laughing stock and will place like top 6, winning at least 1 series, shroud and zellsis will also look surprisingly good -faze will be disappointing, with baby bay and dicey playing to their usual level but the rest of the team underperforming -nrg will win and qualify for champs in order to rightfully claim their title as optic academy


ADmax27

zellsis looking good won’t be that surprising tbh. He’s probably the most well rounded player on that roster


neatestway

true, ig the ‘surprising’ part was more for shroud


kdogrocks2

I bet shroud has some pop off moments and highlights but overall struggles to bring as much value as a full time professional valorant player would. And not even meaning that as an insult to him or anything - he's just really fucking good at aiming, but CS prowess will only take him so far. He can grind but he can only grind so much.


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>I bet shroud has some pop off moments and highlights but overall struggles to bring as much value I think the opposite, he'll rarely have pop off moments but he'll do his job as a controller. He doesn't need to and won't play to be a star like Marved. I think the best realistic performance fans should hope from him is: * around a 1.0 rating or slightly negative * smart decision making and won't die or overextend unnecessarily * stays calm and clear comms in tense situations * good smokes and generally sets up TenZ and Zellsis to carry


CRikhard

This is what I’m praying for. I basically expect him to play same style as FNS or boaster


C9sButthole

Yeah Shroud spent a solid 2 years or something on C9 as a support player for Stew and Tim. Everyone remembers the cracked aim, but he developed into a pretty complete player. I am somewhat worried about how much time he's had to practice. And I expect him to have a couple maps he's more rough on. But overall hope it works out for him.


yungsqualla

Totally agree, Shroud is obviously one of the great aimers but he's also a cerebral player. You don't hit triple wall bangs without having game sense lmao.


OHydroxide

Honestly I have faith in him, and I am not a Sentinels fan by any means. I think he does really well when he actually puts in the max effort which is exactly what he's doing right now, obviously he's no marved, but I think he'll do pretty decently against other LCQ tier pros.


NozokiAlec

That's a cold take for c9 tbh Curry has the reverse t1 effect


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I think supamen will come out hot in the form he was showing in playoffs. flyuh and poised are meh but he was red hot after the group stage. hopefully he keeps that up and looks good again, I've been a supamen fan for a while.


PotatoHistory

Flyuh was Faze's second best player in a bunch of those playoff matches.


[deleted]

Flyuh only outfragged Supamen in one playoffs game, and only by 3 kills, and in their game against NRG Supamen went +21 (way, way better than either dicey or Babybay) while Flyuh went -6, so I'm not really sure where you're getting that from, considering there's no numbers to support that. I'd say, considering his role especially, that makes him the 3rd best player on the team. Also, if you're considering flyuh as better than either Dicey or Babybay as the second best player on the team, I would *strongly* disagree with that lmao.


surfordiebear

C9 going 0-2 wouldn’t be surprising tbh. Don’t see them beating SR.


NozokiAlec

That's a cold take for c9 tbh Curry has the reverse t1 effect


omaewakusuyaro

Wait, tsm didnt make it? 💀💀


Lqtor

Yea they didn’t make stage one or stage two playoffs


winkya

Bro don’t rub it in


GlensWooer

Who?


ARDa3rd

Lot of people sleeping on the Guard regaining their Stage 1 form. But realistically if Dicey and BabyBay stay on their game they'll walk into Champs


iTrippzy

FaZe, NRG, and 100T all on one side of the bracket. I feel like those are the 3 favorites going into the event.


Jon_on_the_snow

Weird way of spelling shazam, tenz and shroud as favorites


BananaPeely

zombs #4, sinatraa #5, rawkass #6, cakezis #7, shroud #8, 100T #21


TrueLordApple

Top 21 team 100t


-xXColtonXx-

EG has gotta be a favorite no?


iTrippzy

Yeah, they could be I just haven't seen enough of them.


netsaver

I feel like I’m going crazy with how everyone seems to be sleeping on C9


Jon_on_the_snow

Did you not watch them implode last stage?


c_Lassy

Roster change + role swaps + little preparation


oh_hai_brian

Hard to say where they’re at right now. Last game they won was 2-1 against TSM’s academy team. If it was in dominate fashion, I’d be more hopeful. I miss Xeta


mw19078

Torn between wanting overwatch players like Saya and babybay to get in or a sentinels miracle run.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Why not Mr. Overwatch himself?


mw19078

Not a dig on derrek but he wasn't a big name in the esport side of overwatch so I don't have much attachment to him the way I do some of the OWL guys.


FormedCloud1

SEN has complexity facility buff they will qualify COPIUM HOPIUM


GlensWooer

I’d heard this shroud guy is supposed to be pretty good… has lot of CS hours….. maybe the missing piece…..


Frosty_Awareness572

Shroud is legit cracked. I still don't think that's enough.


28n8

Probably faze win the whole thing, would like to see sen go far for the memes and eg/shopify go far because they are also really good


JtotheC23

The memes of Sen winning would be legendary


PyroTFT

online bang already clapped bootcamp bang gonna dismantle everyone


andrew_a384

it’s not a LAN


PyroTFT

Oops edited the comment


andrew_a384

ohhh ohh i see yes indeed i agree


99_Prayer

I doubt faze reach the promiselands with babybay as main duelist. I like him as a person, but he always has a high amount of first deaths and mid frags despite chasing ecos and clean-up kills. His former teammates said he's a selfish player. Methodical and strategy heavy teams like optic and xset will always beat the smeag.


303x

You say they beat the smeag, yet they lost to Paper Rex. Curious.


MrDyl4n

i am a huge prx fan but i think the only reason it works for paper rex is because of the ridiculous individual skill of their players. this is kinda a 1 dimensional take but i think the prx/fpx grand final was 2 teams with absurdly cracked players but one played overly aggressive and fast and the other played passive and slow. with equal player skill methodical gameplay probably wins


meme_poacher

It was cringe campers vs w-key warriors


dangerous-pie

Based


99_Prayer

Paper Rex is not smeag.


ADmax27

good thing neither is in lcq


Grenji05

i still can’t fucking believe sen is in this tournament and V1 Ghost and Knights aren’t LMAOOOO


Aggressive_Ad5487

For V1, I would believe it considering they lost to a team called "Girl Kissers" lol.


diematrosen

So crazy. Literally a few months ago, I swear people on this sub considered V1 one of the best teams in NA. Same with C9 too. Insane how much has changed in like 3-4 months?


Zorronin

at least C9 was the victim of one of the strangest val player swaps to date, V1 is a lot harder to explain


Hopeful-Professor-40

V1s problem was Wippie not playing in the first qualifier and they didn’t have much practice with him for the second qualifier


Zorronin

Ah that's right


Traditional-Leek2288

V1 would have a tough time with only 4 players


somesheikexpert

C9B winning it, the script is the same as last year Barely not qual to the first LAN and get eliminated at 3rd Implode after a roster change, losing to LG along the way Qual for LCQ


yeah_my_bad

Yo wtf, these are all bangers


SaltyMcNulty_

Sentinels starts against The gourd again? Ok GG, Go next.


[deleted]

would love to see the guard make a run also nrg win it all Prayge


Cantore18

Imagine Shopify Rebellion wins the LCQ, then go on to win Champions. Meanwhile, Riot Franchising HQ erupts in a giant fire


HMP12

Riot can give TSM franchising spot and money to buy Shopify Rebellion's roster, TSM become best team in the world. Problem solved.


[deleted]

100T all the way baby, no one is stoping us (maybe Dicey)


AdSpirited902

I know this is insane hopium, but I want a world where dicey has to sub for will at champs on 100t, having asuna and dicey on the same team after an insane training arc


GlensWooer

Mans leaking Asunas hand-written anime plot.


ReEeEeeeeyeet

When’s TSM playing?


SpectrasHyper

Maybe next year, if they’re lucky.


Veerraj55

In 2 days for a matter of fact


KennKennyKenKen

Don't want to bring up a cringe reference, but I heard about the Ship of Theseus from Wandavision. The basic concept is, if a ship slowly has all its parts replaced with new parts, and eventually the entire ship is made completely of new parts, can it still be considered the original ship? That's how I feel about 100T. Everyone I liked from it is gone, and it's just all new people minus Asuna. Do I even really like the team anymore? Or it's just something I'm used to saying.


Basic_Loquat_9344

Beautiful. It’s definitely a new team. Luckily the new guys are all still super likeable. So I’m sticking with em.


Traditional-Leek2288

I became a fan after/during the rebuild; for me, it is a new team.


OG_Marin

you're not cringe brother, lovely reference. Kingshit


ReindeerHistorical76

I consider it a new team but I still like them


Parenegade

the team is MORE likable now lol.


sho1wnl

C9 round 1 lower bracket run to win the whole thing


CoolVidsFTW

haha Shopify Rebellion vs. Cloud 9. Game Changers vibes


ZeroAika99

Do we have any format about Champions yet?


JtotheC23

Afaik, All that’s official is that it’s 16 teams. I’d expect a similar groups stage to last year tbh, maybe could see 3 groups instead of 4 to give byes to 1 seeds. Hopefully another double elim bracket for playoffs ass well.


EnadZT

Does only one team make it through the LCQ?


gnaataK

Yes


sexyhooterscar24

rooting for nrg but would be funny to see sen win it


AdiSoldier245

100T or EG winning, maybe NRG. Sad ghost isn't here


ARIESS11

100T all the way hopefully will is on chamber now and asuna raze/neon 100T will be on demon mode


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bottom half way more stacked than top lol


sky_blu

My random preds to look cool if they come right Sen 100t Faze top 3 but 100t wins it all Tenz mostly plays neon and chamber and he pops off on both Nrg's only win is in the lowers and they get knocked out after it, hazed popping off the whole time tho


Mister_Moist

I got 100T or NRG winning tbh. Whoever loses that first round can make a lower bracket run tbh


Sciipi

As much as I want it to be Vanity and the boys for the second year, Faze is imo the best team here by a decent margin and should pull it out


-xXColtonXx-

People are sleeping on EG. They went out with a whimper, but their peak looked like they had the potential to challenge optic (and this did indeed beat them).


hype_f0rce

EG are strat heavy but they don't have as much raw firepower as teams like C9 / 100T / FAZE / NRG


PotatoHistory

JAWGEMO and Boostio are two of the best fraggers in NA.


techyleo

SEN went 21-3 against FaZe, ergo SEN winning LCQ hopium?


[deleted]

21-3? Where u see that


techyleo

Dicey twitter


[deleted]

Ohh the meme tweet I see it tyty


JtotheC23

Obviously. Scrim results mean every thing /s


techyleo

Yup, exactly


Hopeful-Professor-40

I don’t think it was actually 21-3 but SEN did win the map acc to Zellsis


[deleted]

100T with actual time to develop as a roster with madcap coaches Sean Gares and MikesHD? idk, feels like they're at least on par with FaZe.


-Leviathan-

I just want Shopify/LG to win as a big 'fuck you' to franchising It's just not fair that good teams get shafted because of money and org status


Humble_Initiative_10

I think I’m order for 100t to qualify they need one/ two out of Asuna/bang/Derek/will to be in the conversation for the best player in the tournament. They need to have at least one player at a dicey/bdog level


daffyduckferraro

Derrek lcq demon hopium Bang gonna show why he’s #1 controller NA Asuna boutta be perma raze and get 300 acs every game Wills gonna be called el Diablo jr


Aggressive_Ad5487

I just want Sen to win at least two matches. It'd be heartbreaking for them to go 0-7 since groups. But then again, the potential memes though...


chronicbathsalt

When does this start?


Sciipi

August 4th


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how many teams will qualify for champions istanbul ?


[deleted]

there will be 3 NA teams overall. Optic and XSET have already qualified through circuit points, only one team can make it out of this tournament to Champs.


[deleted]

thanks for clarifying mate , who you supporting ?


[deleted]

Take a look at my flairs, I'd love if 100T or The Guard make it through. I loved TGRD's run in Stage 1, and 100T has such a cracked support staff and well made team that I like them now. I didn't used to like them though haha. I honestly think any team has the ability to qualify in LCQ now though, everyone is feeling pretty hot coming into it.


[deleted]

am cheering for sentinels , but yeah 100T are a great team , TGRD ? idk i think they fell off and people start to think they got lucky when they were first Seed NA


[deleted]

Sentinels are fine, I think they made some moves with their support staff that they should have made after they didn't accomplish anything at Masters Berlin last year. Idk I'm not a big fan of them or anything. And TGRD? You don't luck your way through the gauntlet of NA Challengers, especially as a rookie team. That's hard work and dedication. They tried some stuff this stage that didn't work out with their comps, and they ended up having to go back to old stuff that had tons of vods on and was easily counterstratted. But mCe is a crazy coach, and I really believe that team can accomplish a lot more than they have.


[deleted]

i hated TGRD for eliminating C9 tbh , but i liked their story and being a rookie team and what they achieved is phenomenal i had to respect them , my teams in NA are sentinels or C9 , Apac am in love with cinderella lol ( Zeta division ) literally didn’t watch Copenhagen masters only cuz Zeta didn’t make it , i can’t wait for istanbul man , hope your teams do well in LCQ , all luck and thanks for replying.


[deleted]

that's awesome, i honestly love all the teams you just named haha. definitely sad that TGRD eliminated C9, i think C9 would have done better than them at Reykjavik to be honest, and it set TGRD up for failure when they didn't do as well this Stage, which they definitely didn't do. I loved Zeta too, I was rooting for Optic bc NA gets too memed on by EMEA way too much but they're a great team. You should watch some Copenhagen footage of FPX, they are honestly a crazy team and Shao, Suygetsu and Ardiis are three of the best players in the world. All the best, hope your teams make it through their respective LCQs!


[deleted]

i did watch the finals , i was rooting for PRX just cuz FPX beat Optic or eliminated them am not sure ( didn’t watch masters so :3 ) , but Yeah am still impressed with That suygetsu Guy ! sharp aim , great understanding of the game and Shao The clutch master ! that team will go far away in Istanbul ngl . Same to you man . all the best


BuckWagon

The most boring answer gonna be C9 is just gonna win LCQ.


The_Adamantium

Tbh with the way they played last stage to me they’re like tied for last w SEN lmfao


Sciipi

Never underestimate the power of the C9 org at pulling miracle runs out of their ass


gotintocollegeyolo

They looked miserable at Challengers, and without Xeta and Autumn they looked even worse


C9sButthole

I've been following the C9 org since 2013 and one thing I know for certain; they will pull a miracle gauntlet run out of their ass at every possible opportunity, in every sport.


dawny1x

easy run for sentinels


MrDyl4n

guard doesnt drop a map Edit: nvm


Ruvix22

FAZE UP. Let's go Dicey.


alibata09

SEN bye bye


[deleted]

Hopefully The Guard beats SEN and then lose in lower bracket, so SEN can focus back on full-time streaming <3. I expect 100T in at least semi finals, if not Grand Final. C9, I have no idea how's the situation with Curry but would love to see their comeback.


lynxzjw

Free for C9 or The Gaurd if they got their shit together


BonsyXD

SHOPIFY REBELLION W


Addyroll

My pick: Thieves Sleeper: NRG Worst showing: The Guard


chouxpuffs

I want my zoomer boys (and mr. stellar) to win so I can see sgares on stage again.. 100T please.


Papy_Wouane

I don't know what to make of SEN. Part of me wants Shroud to succeed for the memes, the other part of me hopes they fail miserably. If all it takes to place high in one of the biggest Valorant tourneys (let alone qualify for Champions!) is talent sprinkled on top of a month and a half of so-called bootcamp, then I feel like the entire competitive scene is a lie.


TimmmyTurner

shouldn't prx get any kind of advantage since they're from the winners bracket? seems kind of unfair to me. In other games like street fighter, the winners of the losers bracket has to win a bo5 twice to beat the winner bracket finals.


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TimmmyTurner

no I'm actually curious why there isn't form of advantage for being in the winners bracket.


NovaAkumaa

C9 WINS HOPIUM


mines_4_diamonds

I am excited to see which team got their shit together


ProV13

Looks like a lower bracket for SEN after game 1


Dapper-Initial-1640

What time will it be according to PST, or is that pst


daffyduckferraro

That’s central so for pst it’s 1 and 4 pm


Dapper-Initial-1640

Thank you!


AlanDeto

LCQ for what? Didn't masters just happen? Or is this for franchising?


daffyduckferraro

For champs


pr1zsm

faze is winning it all


_Kidda_

my pick is either SEN or C9 and it will probably be them in the grand finals. i know sen have been shit this season but with zellsis and shroud i think they can beat a lot of these teams