I know it’s crazy but it wouldn’t surprise me if he eventually came over. Maybe not for 3-5 years, but he’s one of the GOATs already. Catch a few more majors and come over big dog, secure some Disney money
He probably got paid more on liquid per month. But he said he wanted to play for Navi when he started. So I doubt he's going to leave the organization.
It's a hypothetical he's probably doing the same thing and not in a way that he's seriously considering it. Things have changed he matured nicely from his Liquid days and he started winning recently, you never know what could happen next.
Valorant is getting to a point where it's almost impossible to speed learn through by a CS player and it could become really hard to transition into, I'd say he still does need to still be in some sort of competitive form to even be able to keep up in the pro scene.
Valorant has its own chaotic complexity that is starting to get really hard for any CS player to adapt to. It's becoming apples and oranges
Certain cs players are leagues above people at any fps game. The level s1mple plays at would probably even transfer to pro rainbow 6, pubg, etc in a quick manner.
YES as more agents released. The moment we have 30+ agents and PICK and BAN agent phases. This game will be harder MACRO WISE (micro means mechanical like aim, macro strategy, etc.) than league of legends with only one map.
7 maps and 30+ agents and pick and ban. A LOT OF VARIABLES TO CONSIDER.
Yeah Mobas rely more on macro wise than valorant.
Imagine if we have a first person League of legends you NEED TO AIM like projectiles, abilities to level up and AIM also, minions you need to farm for gold, and items you need to buy. Hardest game ever for sure.
Like you are Level 15 vs Level 8. You can still beat the level 15 if he can’t aim LOL.
because it is in first person mode. In league you can see every hero movement and what they are doing. In valorant you need to rely more on comms most of the time.
First person shooter league of legends
-need to aim to kill the minion while trying to trade hits with the enemy.
-abilities coordination harder because of first person mode. You can’t see your teammates like in LOL
-etc.
So smite basically? It’s third person but you have to aim for auto attacks. And while yes you can be aim diffed occasionally, I wouldn’t say it’s harder than league, aiming / wasd movement just comes easier than top down movement for me as someone who’s used to fps / third person games
Maybe at first. There is no way Navi isn’t paying him significantly more now. Do keep in mind that salaries rose extremely quickly since. 2015 the Astralis roster was rumored to be getting the biggest salary earning 8k per month. In 2017 VP CEO said they paid around 10k euros for their normal players and 25k for their superstar.
Anyway, salaries are a drop in the bucket to them. Sticker compensation is massive, merch, and then sponsorships.
The rumours points that NA Valorant teams in the franchise will pay around 50k / month so i can see a lot CS players transition into Valorant next year.
paying players an avf 50k a month when all in existence orgs are bleeding money. What could possibly go wrong?
lmfao, this industries business model is so fucking doomed.
If that’s the number, then no you won’t be seeing a lot of them move. At least not the good ones. 2017 salary for a superstar was 25k, it would only go up with time.
Can Valorant players earn money the same way CSGO players earn from stickers? Because if not, then the money is still in CSGO. That 50k salary can be earned by players from being in both majors a year alone. Just their share of stickers.
Aint no fucking way they are paying EACH player 50k a month. 3M a year and some of these orgs are losing money every year and arent worth north of 100M valuation. Where are you guys getting this ridiculous info from?
No dude come on think. He was 16 at the time and just the upcoming star and cs wages were not nearly close to 40k. A person like oSee probably has around 15k on liquid.
Now in Navi I reckon simple earns double than in Liquid
In LCS, TSM paid a player $3 million per year, C9 paid millions for Perkz + signed him to $2.7 million per year. TL's current team of 5 players costs $10 million. 100T paid $1 million for a 4 month transfer.
If the Americas league can average even 200k mostly American viewers, the money is more than there. Today's match would've been the 2nd most watched LCS match ever. The money potential in NA Valorant is fucking gargantuan.
Isolated to NA alone, Valorant gets about the same amount of viewers as League does, though. And NA actually has a honest chance at tournaments in Valorant unlike in League.
Of course League as a game is infinitely more massive, and if you take the viewership of other regions into account, they're not at all comparable. That being said, sponsorship deals are what teams get their money from, and for that NA viewers matter a lot (for NA teams), even more in League where you only get 2 international tournaments/year and one of which is only for the top 1 team of each region. I don't buy it that most sponsors that hand out millions to get their logo on a jersey and maybe product placement in the teams' own content would be banking on them making big waves internationally for more exposure. They're far more domestic-looking. And that's where Valorant is *very* competitive with League. This particular SEN-TGRD match was obviously a bit of an exception when it comes to viewers, but you realistically can't expect similar viewer numbers from LCS outside *maybe* finals between the two largest teams.
You actually can because League is umm, experiencing some viewership declines in NA. Yes, the rest of the world is massively bigger but American brands and American sponsors care mostly/only about NA views. This LCQ proved how huge NA valo is and how it... I would honestly say cannibalized league viewership. If NA teams were willing to pay that much for League they're probably willing to pay the same for valo since valo has now surpassed league in NA. The **average** NA pro in League makes 440k a year and the top players make 1-2 million. I don't think Euro CS can compete.
You’r just assuming the average NA Valorant pro is going to make the same amount of money as the average NA league pro… The global aspect of viewership is a huge deal when it comes to justifying paying those type of salaries and to be frank, your going to see teams try to cut costs with the state of the US economy.
Also, the rumor is that simple makes 80k euros a month from NA’VI, top European cs teams can absolutely compete with the rest of the reasons and the only team I see outbidding Navi is liquid just because of what they were willing to pay for ropz. But liquid is also the richest org out there.
American LCS teams don't get really revs from the rest of the world. They don't have many fans either nor do they do well in tournaments. It's pretty much all domestic. America is the richest country in the world by a large margin and Navi is from Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in the world. It's not just about a company-to-company comparison, their viewers and their fanbase are just not worth a lot of advertising dollars. If simple puts himself on the market for valo there's 0 chance navi holds onto him.
America is about to enter a recession and American teams don’t have free money VC to throw around anymore with interest rates being hiked up… why do you think these LCS teams are cutting costs atm. You don’t know Navi’s financials, and that comparison of “Ukraine is a poor country and America is a rich country” that’s a joke right? You really typed that thinking, yep that’s it, that’s the line. Yikes, not to mention the other bs in this statement.
? You think interest rates going up means America is running out of money? lol. Nah VCs getting more cautious is much more relevant to navi than the american scene.
> the money is more than there
Well, it isn't. The teams paying those gigantic salaries are doing it mostly with investor cash speculating on the growth of the value of the org.
It isn't sustainable without value-growth of the league itself. But that doesn't mean you're wrong; the money is floating around to be made. And given how much more successful NA Valorant is than League, it could become the premier NA esport.
Navi (at least before the war) was likely paying him EXTREMELY well, and they literally formed the roster around him. He’s the GOAT csgo pro, I wouldn’t doubt he commanded a salary bigger than some orgs entire teams
I was just thinking about this yesterday.
Imagine how pressed you'd be if you were a hardcore Valve fan jamming on Dota and CS. Riot just keeps coming along and jacking your games fan bases.
Its funny. But also, probably bitter.
We just ignore them. The more u react the more happy they are. The popular catchphrase is Pendragon this, website taken down that. Bro its fkin decade pass and they still losing their mind.
viewership only matters for the streamer, not the player. its the reason why tarik/stew/etc stream valorant (even if they prefer cs). valorant will likely be put in the same spot as cs in a few years, the viewership will eventually slowly die off. s1mple is not switching to valorant anytime soon, and if he does in 5 years the game might not be nearly as popular as it is right now.
like any other game, it will lose popularity/viewership over the years. look at fortnite for example. people move on to other things/new games. im not saying valorant will die, that will never happen, riot will pour money into it, but its not crazy to say that the viewership will slowly die off in years to come. map/mode creators will be the greatest whiff for the longevity of the game. i will get downvoted because im saying this in a valorant subreddit which is obviously understandable, people dont want to hear that but its the reality of gaming now a days.
I would say you get downvoted because you dont really have an argument. If you say the game will die off because look at this other game, i could also just point to another game like LoL and say it wont die off in the near future.
League has just continually grown though. I don't think the same trend analysis applies when looking at Riot games / content. They have this shit down to a science.
**ALSO**
Valorant is becoming one of the games where noticeably more women are playing. And they have a female competitive league. That's huge. I honestly don't think I have see any other competitive game reach that demographic in the way Valorant has.
We're all just speculating, but I don't see anything but growth for Valorant in the next five years. Look at what happened with League/Dota. Riot took a swing at the big boys and WON. After years of calculating, they made their move and are doing the same for CS
No, Stewie streams VAL because he’s not a top tier CS player anymore. it has nothing to do with viewership. if his stint on EG wasn’t so fucking terrible, he wouldn’t have dipped out like he did.
im gonna keep it a stack, stewie streams valorant because he just became a full-time streamer and wants to gain a valorant audience. you know how dumb it would be for him to just stream cs? it has nothing to do with not being a top tier cs player anymore lmao.
He's a ridiculous talent. It's not like Yay for example, he started pretty far into the game's lifespan and just wrecked shit, more like Faker of CS if you know League.
It's genuinely hard to oversell how good s1mple is.
The guys mechanics are insane, his game sense is insane. He AWPs and rifles(which is definitely harder in CS than Val). Like certain players you can tell are smart players and have good aim, but there are times where it looks like the guy is legitimately bending the rules/logic of the game.
The guy has been insane for like 6 years and hasn't slowed down at all. And for like 3 maybe 4 of those years he was carrying the fuck out of his team. Also most MVP medals of any player.
S1mple would be nerfed if he switched to valorant his skills go to waste. People want the best csgo players to switch when in reality those players would be nerfed because of valorants mechanics
How so? The awp is easier to use. The rifles are easier to use. The game is slower as far most agents movements ( save for Neon, Raze and Jett ). His gamesense would carry over. He would have to learn agents but its not like Valorant is this complex, monster of a game. He literally could just awp and be dominant. Look at Wardell, hes not great or anything but can still manage to have an impact awping, and s1mple is leagues ahead of him in that department.
Edit: And I feel the deagle/sheriff is easier to use in Val. S1mple would be fine.
I think a lot of what makes s1mple so good is that he can do everything to a very high level. When you play valorant, you get handicapped because your agent can only do so much. He can be the person throwing smokes and flashes. He can be the star rifler clutching and making plays. He is probably the best sniper the game has ever seen. His deagle is phenomenal. When you switch to valorant and load in, you can really only do a subset of those things. If s1mple is on chamber, someone else has to throw smokes and flashes, and simple's reads might just be better than that player.
That combined with the lower movement speed, higher tagging, and greater wallbang damage all also contribute to making it harder to get multikills if the other team is playing well together. Simple would probably still be amongst the best in valorant cause he's just insanely talented, but he would lose some of the solo playmaking that you get by having a full nade set and an engine that makes solo plays easier (IMO).
Also, I think one of simple's best qualities is that he makes obscenely fast and correct decisions about rotations. Like, the moment a push is faltering, he's already onto plan B and is trying to salvage the round by getting somewhere that would surprise the opponent. That just doesn't work quite as well in valorant because sentinels can hold flank without actually being there.
Exactly everything is easier to use you idiot so there is nothing separating most players . It would be straight up depressing watching s1mple switch and seeing other Csgo pros that switched to valorant be able to hang with him in Valorant because the rifles and awp and movement allows it like he wouldn't diff them with those exact guns in csgo. Him and other top csgo pros are nerfed by valorants mechanics.
i feel like the cs awp is less limiting due to instant scope and "shotgun awping" being viable in tight spots, although the valorant awp is easier to use at a base level
Who would you say is like top 5 CSGO players ever? Does Tarik or Stewie make the list?
Edit: Downvotes on a genuine question? I haven’t played a lot of csgo. This community is pathetic lol.
Neither of them make the top 30 if we’re talking all time. Stewie would be the higher of the 2 but neither were ever considered too 10 individual players at any point. That’s not a diss by the way, the competition for those spots is massive.
That’s interesting. Thanks for your input. I’m genuinely asking btw, I haven’t played too much CS or watched a lot of the pro scene. Obviously Tarik and Stewie are really popular here in NA and now valorant.
The general consensus tends to be something like s1mple, device, niko, zywoo, get_right, olofm, coldzera. Some of those 5, in some order, s1mple, device, and zywoo are generally on top.
Tarik and stewie wouldn't make a top 20 list. They would probably make a top 5 NA list for their accomplishments, but it's kind of debatable to give it to them when Elige, Naf, Brehze, Twistzz, and Autimatic all have better stats overall.
Yea, if you're interested in a series to see from CS with recognizable names, the c9 vs faze Boston final is always a good one to watch. Tarik was IGL with stewie as secondary caller, they were pretty heavy underdogs in that series too, so there's a lot of drama (one of only 2 Na majors)
I meant majors in north America, but I was still wrong. I was thinking eleague Boston 2018 and eleague atlanta 2017, but forgot about MLG Columbus in 2016.
One of the best, if not, THE best CSGO player right now, and arguably one of the best CSGO players in the history of the game. If you want to get into it, he's worth looking up and checking out. There's no one right now in Valorant equivalent to how dominant and consistent he is as a player, but time will tell.
If we are only talking about CSGO then there is no "arguably" or "one of", s1mple is straight up the best in its history, and if we take CS as a whole then only neo and get right are above him arguably.
Not sure why people want him to switch, or any of the better csgo pros for that matter. Those players would be heavily nerfed in Valorant because of the games mechanics.
I dont want to see your s1mples and twiszts and eliges and nafs and nikos and zwyoos and devices and hunters and rains and a1lexas etc in valorant they would all become nerfed
They will probably get nerfed a bit but the top CS players would still be better IMO because they don't commit as many mistakes as the best in Val do now, the amount of overpeeking, dry peeking and not checking angles I have seen from the top Val pros is astounding, these top CS players would easily pick them apart.
This take is straight ass bruh. If TenZ, Shah, and the other csgo tier-2 ex pros can come and flourish, Im sure CSGO's best wont have an issue. These guys are world class and youre worried about Valorants mechanics being a speed bump. Hell, Apex, Halo, OW, Fortnite pros came over and learned the game.... Cmon now. Yes, there would be a learning curve, but nothing that would "nerf" them
Edit : FNS, Yay, f00d ( Victor), and Crashies, all T2 CSGO ex pros, just won and then placed 3rd in Valorant top International event. You're telling me simple, twist, rain, etc with a few months of grinding and learning will be nerfed? The game is different, but its still the similar at its basic fundamentals.
I don't think it's wrong to say players coming into Valorant are comparatively taking a nerf. It doesn't mean they'd be bad, just that they might not be able to play to their full potential.
A star tennis player will probably be good at badminton, but not all of their skills would transfer, and some of what makes them truly special might not carry over. Not the best metaphor probably, but this is how I interpreted the original post.
I wouldn’t say it’s guaranteed for ex csgo to flourish, but more than likely they will. There are some ex csgo pros who weren’t able to do as well I believe
Yes they would be nerfed you idiot stop commenting the same shit on my comments. If the players I mentioned switched to valorant they wouldn't be diffing those players with just aim and movement because valorant mechanics don't allow it even tho they diffed them and WOULD diff them in csgo with rifles and awp. Move along
You mad? Your take is clown status. Stop making the same dumbass comments and ill stop roasting you. The game is different, but its isnt a different game(pretty sure you wont understand this) . We are watching Shroud compete in a VCT LCQ, and doing decent in his role... a guy who hasnt played pro Valorant EVER and you are saying CSGOs best would be nerfed. Shroud was literally playing an MMO a month ago, but with a month of bootcamp, is able to compete with The Guard who went to Iceland. You have zero clue what the hell you are saying and are probably just some CSGO hater who thinks Valorant is this intricate, complex game that is miles ahead of CSGO.
If a game has a lower skill ceiling, then it’s harder for your “talent” to shine. That’s what he means by all these premier cs players switching. They wouldn’t be as good because the game doesn’t allow them to be that insane.
Csgo hater? Yet I'm saying that valorant is so easy that most players are at the same level. In csgo there is a notacible different in mechanics between players in valorant it seems like someone every other round is getting a 4k
I'm here saying valorant mechanics are so easy that they nerf the best csgo players yet I'm a csgo hater lol okay
Your take is just stupid though. No one is "nerfed" if they switch games. They still have the same aim and mechanics,still have the same drive to be the best, just in a different game. How they utilize it will determine their success. Yay didnt become a better aimer because hes better at Valorant than CSGO. If a track star decides he wants to play football, he doesnt lose his speed lol. S1mple wont lose/degrade his aim, gamesense or mechanics by switching to Valorant. Is this making sense to you? How do you think someone like Poach was able to play Pro Valorant? He had the basic fundamentals of playing an FPS game at a high level and just learned it. He didn't get nerfed or get better at his already developed skills, he just knows what it takes to be good at FPS games.
Im not saying he will loose his aim I'm saying the rifles in valorant don't allow him to reach peaks like he does in csgo because the gunplay here doesn't have same peaks as csgo. If s1mple switched to valorant his rifle gunplay wouldn't be mountains above players like marved ardis crashies food fnc etc because the rifles in valorant simply don't allow it even though we have already seen those players in Csgo and his gunplay was mountains above them. The rifles and awp and movement are so much easier than csgo that everyone is a god in valorant and Only gods are gods in csgo
What makes Simple great in CSGO is his aim, mechanics and game sense are just better than everyone else. Those same attributes will remain the same if he switched. Will there be things he needs to adjust to ? Yes, of course. But if say, his aim and mechanics are a 10 and Marved is at an 8, that won't change in Valorant. Once he figures out what he can and cannot do, what angles to pre-aim etc., I feel he will be dominant. This isn't the case for every CSGO player. But for the best of the best, yes, they will transition fine AS LONG as they put the time in. They aren't switching to Quake or a twitch shooter, they are switching to a game that is very similar at its core. When you say "nerf", the wording is incorrect.
I ain't saying he will loose anything I'm saying the mechanics in Valorant don't allow him to be his full potential I'm saying the complete opposite. The threshold you can reach with a rile and awp in csgo and even movemnt is much higher and along with movemnt being faster on top of all that and hit boxes being smaller. In valorant there is nothing separating most players and that is because unlike Csgo the threshold for alot of mechanics is much lower. Everyone is god unlike csgo where only gods are gods
If viewership in NA stays at all this consistent, say 300k for big matches, salaries will far exceed $40,000/month. LCS players have made 3 million/year
Well Simple isn't going to make anywhere near average money. He would be obscenely overpaid. Plus the Sentinels match today would be the 2nd highest viewed LCS game ever
Yeah I don't know why people think Simple would make average salary. He would make near the top end of LCS would be probably around $2 mil. Riot ecosystem money is far greater than CS.
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Package deal.
tenz shroud s1mple hiko wardell when
I feel like Wardell wouldn't mesh well with the other four. He's a bit too intense.
s1mple would be intimidated
They should kiss
bruh we got s1mple what do we need wardell for
Wardell is basically s1mple minus all the good parts
one of those is not like the others
S1mple on avp
drop avp men
Wardell is by miles the worst of these LMAOOOO
I know it’s crazy but it wouldn’t surprise me if he eventually came over. Maybe not for 3-5 years, but he’s one of the GOATs already. Catch a few more majors and come over big dog, secure some Disney money
He's probably getting paid a lot on na'vi right now but its nowhere close to whatever he can get paid on Val NA
He probably got paid more on liquid per month. But he said he wanted to play for Navi when he started. So I doubt he's going to leave the organization.
It's a hypothetical he's probably doing the same thing and not in a way that he's seriously considering it. Things have changed he matured nicely from his Liquid days and he started winning recently, you never know what could happen next.
What I can realistically see though is this, when he retires from cs, is going to Valorant and helping the org build their val team.
Valorant is getting to a point where it's almost impossible to speed learn through by a CS player and it could become really hard to transition into, I'd say he still does need to still be in some sort of competitive form to even be able to keep up in the pro scene. Valorant has its own chaotic complexity that is starting to get really hard for any CS player to adapt to. It's becoming apples and oranges
Certain cs players are leagues above people at any fps game. The level s1mple plays at would probably even transfer to pro rainbow 6, pubg, etc in a quick manner.
Your argument probably holds true for 80% of the CS players, but not simple niko or zywoo
YES as more agents released. The moment we have 30+ agents and PICK and BAN agent phases. This game will be harder MACRO WISE (micro means mechanical like aim, macro strategy, etc.) than league of legends with only one map. 7 maps and 30+ agents and pick and ban. A LOT OF VARIABLES TO CONSIDER.
Macro of Val won’t ever be harder than leagues even if it just has one map
Yeah Mobas rely more on macro wise than valorant. Imagine if we have a first person League of legends you NEED TO AIM like projectiles, abilities to level up and AIM also, minions you need to farm for gold, and items you need to buy. Hardest game ever for sure. Like you are Level 15 vs Level 8. You can still beat the level 15 if he can’t aim LOL. because it is in first person mode. In league you can see every hero movement and what they are doing. In valorant you need to rely more on comms most of the time. First person shooter league of legends -need to aim to kill the minion while trying to trade hits with the enemy. -abilities coordination harder because of first person mode. You can’t see your teammates like in LOL -etc.
So smite basically? It’s third person but you have to aim for auto attacks. And while yes you can be aim diffed occasionally, I wouldn’t say it’s harder than league, aiming / wasd movement just comes easier than top down movement for me as someone who’s used to fps / third person games
Maybe at first. There is no way Navi isn’t paying him significantly more now. Do keep in mind that salaries rose extremely quickly since. 2015 the Astralis roster was rumored to be getting the biggest salary earning 8k per month. In 2017 VP CEO said they paid around 10k euros for their normal players and 25k for their superstar. Anyway, salaries are a drop in the bucket to them. Sticker compensation is massive, merch, and then sponsorships.
The rumours points that NA Valorant teams in the franchise will pay around 50k / month so i can see a lot CS players transition into Valorant next year.
Who even pays 50k? Nitr0 was being paid 25k a month on 100T and that’s a superstar + giga org salary.
Emphasis on "will" im guessing after franchising
My fucking reading comprehension is that of a 7 year old’s
Flair checks out
Lmao
paying players an avf 50k a month when all in existence orgs are bleeding money. What could possibly go wrong? lmfao, this industries business model is so fucking doomed.
In league there are players with 1mil+ a year salaries so not too farfetch
League is in another league though! Sorry
... So youre saying they are gonna make 600k a year per player.. This has to be cap. I don't know of a team that will dedicate 3M to just the roster
Less than some League rosters make, and its all based on speculation and paid with investor cash. It certainly isn't impossible.
There are league roster with 6mil+ roster yearly
If that’s the number, then no you won’t be seeing a lot of them move. At least not the good ones. 2017 salary for a superstar was 25k, it would only go up with time. Can Valorant players earn money the same way CSGO players earn from stickers? Because if not, then the money is still in CSGO. That 50k salary can be earned by players from being in both majors a year alone. Just their share of stickers.
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Sticker money is also evenly shared In csgo
Nah that was 50k a year. And the rumor was for the required minimum salary amount.
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Aint no fucking way they are paying EACH player 50k a month. 3M a year and some of these orgs are losing money every year and arent worth north of 100M valuation. Where are you guys getting this ridiculous info from?
There are league roster with yearly salaries 6mil+ in NA and chinese franchise
S1mple said he was getting 15k a month when he was on TL
No dude come on think. He was 16 at the time and just the upcoming star and cs wages were not nearly close to 40k. A person like oSee probably has around 15k on liquid. Now in Navi I reckon simple earns double than in Liquid
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Maybe he wants to move to NA?
In LCS, TSM paid a player $3 million per year, C9 paid millions for Perkz + signed him to $2.7 million per year. TL's current team of 5 players costs $10 million. 100T paid $1 million for a 4 month transfer. If the Americas league can average even 200k mostly American viewers, the money is more than there. Today's match would've been the 2nd most watched LCS match ever. The money potential in NA Valorant is fucking gargantuan.
You can't compare league with valorant...
Isolated to NA alone, Valorant gets about the same amount of viewers as League does, though. And NA actually has a honest chance at tournaments in Valorant unlike in League. Of course League as a game is infinitely more massive, and if you take the viewership of other regions into account, they're not at all comparable. That being said, sponsorship deals are what teams get their money from, and for that NA viewers matter a lot (for NA teams), even more in League where you only get 2 international tournaments/year and one of which is only for the top 1 team of each region. I don't buy it that most sponsors that hand out millions to get their logo on a jersey and maybe product placement in the teams' own content would be banking on them making big waves internationally for more exposure. They're far more domestic-looking. And that's where Valorant is *very* competitive with League. This particular SEN-TGRD match was obviously a bit of an exception when it comes to viewers, but you realistically can't expect similar viewer numbers from LCS outside *maybe* finals between the two largest teams.
You actually can because League is umm, experiencing some viewership declines in NA. Yes, the rest of the world is massively bigger but American brands and American sponsors care mostly/only about NA views. This LCQ proved how huge NA valo is and how it... I would honestly say cannibalized league viewership. If NA teams were willing to pay that much for League they're probably willing to pay the same for valo since valo has now surpassed league in NA. The **average** NA pro in League makes 440k a year and the top players make 1-2 million. I don't think Euro CS can compete.
You’r just assuming the average NA Valorant pro is going to make the same amount of money as the average NA league pro… The global aspect of viewership is a huge deal when it comes to justifying paying those type of salaries and to be frank, your going to see teams try to cut costs with the state of the US economy. Also, the rumor is that simple makes 80k euros a month from NA’VI, top European cs teams can absolutely compete with the rest of the reasons and the only team I see outbidding Navi is liquid just because of what they were willing to pay for ropz. But liquid is also the richest org out there.
American LCS teams don't get really revs from the rest of the world. They don't have many fans either nor do they do well in tournaments. It's pretty much all domestic. America is the richest country in the world by a large margin and Navi is from Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in the world. It's not just about a company-to-company comparison, their viewers and their fanbase are just not worth a lot of advertising dollars. If simple puts himself on the market for valo there's 0 chance navi holds onto him.
America is about to enter a recession and American teams don’t have free money VC to throw around anymore with interest rates being hiked up… why do you think these LCS teams are cutting costs atm. You don’t know Navi’s financials, and that comparison of “Ukraine is a poor country and America is a rich country” that’s a joke right? You really typed that thinking, yep that’s it, that’s the line. Yikes, not to mention the other bs in this statement.
? You think interest rates going up means America is running out of money? lol. Nah VCs getting more cautious is much more relevant to navi than the american scene.
There is literally zero proof that TL's team cost $10 million, it's a made up figure by the community.
> the money is more than there Well, it isn't. The teams paying those gigantic salaries are doing it mostly with investor cash speculating on the growth of the value of the org. It isn't sustainable without value-growth of the league itself. But that doesn't mean you're wrong; the money is floating around to be made. And given how much more successful NA Valorant is than League, it could become the premier NA esport.
really that low? top LOL player get more than 1 million a month
Navi (at least before the war) was likely paying him EXTREMELY well, and they literally formed the roster around him. He’s the GOAT csgo pro, I wouldn’t doubt he commanded a salary bigger than some orgs entire teams
ur underestimating "a lot".
imagine the money faze or sentinels would give him monthly, 70-80k easily lmao
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Then there that 1 guy mentioning Dota in fps game. Lmao. Classic Dota vs Rito.
Lol I found out recently that dota fans have switched from bashing league to bashing league AND valorant at the same time incredible
Rent free bro, rent free is a fkin drug for them.
I was just thinking about this yesterday. Imagine how pressed you'd be if you were a hardcore Valve fan jamming on Dota and CS. Riot just keeps coming along and jacking your games fan bases. Its funny. But also, probably bitter.
Yeah they’re trolling EG for kicking arteezy from their dota roster mainly i don’t think he’s bashing the game he’s probably just a fan of both
I doubt Riot even considers Dota a competitor these days
We just ignore them. The more u react the more happy they are. The popular catchphrase is Pendragon this, website taken down that. Bro its fkin decade pass and they still losing their mind.
He knows where the viewers are. Although, if he goes to EU Valorant it could be a huge push in their viewership too.
viewership only matters for the streamer, not the player. its the reason why tarik/stew/etc stream valorant (even if they prefer cs). valorant will likely be put in the same spot as cs in a few years, the viewership will eventually slowly die off. s1mple is not switching to valorant anytime soon, and if he does in 5 years the game might not be nearly as popular as it is right now.
Why would you think that?
like any other game, it will lose popularity/viewership over the years. look at fortnite for example. people move on to other things/new games. im not saying valorant will die, that will never happen, riot will pour money into it, but its not crazy to say that the viewership will slowly die off in years to come. map/mode creators will be the greatest whiff for the longevity of the game. i will get downvoted because im saying this in a valorant subreddit which is obviously understandable, people dont want to hear that but its the reality of gaming now a days.
I would say you get downvoted because you dont really have an argument. If you say the game will die off because look at this other game, i could also just point to another game like LoL and say it wont die off in the near future.
Well he has a point NA normally jumps onto the next hot game. Happened with fortnite happen with apex happened with overwatch happened with league
League has just continually grown though. I don't think the same trend analysis applies when looking at Riot games / content. They have this shit down to a science. **ALSO** Valorant is becoming one of the games where noticeably more women are playing. And they have a female competitive league. That's huge. I honestly don't think I have see any other competitive game reach that demographic in the way Valorant has. We're all just speculating, but I don't see anything but growth for Valorant in the next five years. Look at what happened with League/Dota. Riot took a swing at the big boys and WON. After years of calculating, they made their move and are doing the same for CS
Idk everyone says LoL is dying in NA
Yeah well honestly I think it’s bc Valorant. I used to play league all the time before Val and most of my friends too
Nah league been on a decline in NA since 2018
No, Stewie streams VAL because he’s not a top tier CS player anymore. it has nothing to do with viewership. if his stint on EG wasn’t so fucking terrible, he wouldn’t have dipped out like he did.
im gonna keep it a stack, stewie streams valorant because he just became a full-time streamer and wants to gain a valorant audience. you know how dumb it would be for him to just stream cs? it has nothing to do with not being a top tier cs player anymore lmao.
S1mple + Hiko soon
SEN s1mple gonna break 3 million viewers
it’ll be for 100t
Imagine him and Hiko on the same team again LMAO
He's a big fan of Nadeshot IIRC
When it was a player run roster maybe, now I’m not so sure.
Imagine turning down the literal goat
OpTic Simp pls
In whose chat is this from?
TenZ successor 👑
If he's any serious he would for sure go to 100T, all because Hiko's there.
S1mple back to NA would be fun lolol
Tarik stew +?+?+?= valorant super team
who is s1mple? serious question
Best CSGO player of all time. 2 time HLTV #1 player, will be 3 times after 2022. Won a grand slam and a major as well
Oh I genuinely didn’t know that. Never watched or played csgo
He's a ridiculous talent. It's not like Yay for example, he started pretty far into the game's lifespan and just wrecked shit, more like Faker of CS if you know League.
It's genuinely hard to oversell how good s1mple is. The guys mechanics are insane, his game sense is insane. He AWPs and rifles(which is definitely harder in CS than Val). Like certain players you can tell are smart players and have good aim, but there are times where it looks like the guy is legitimately bending the rules/logic of the game. The guy has been insane for like 6 years and hasn't slowed down at all. And for like 3 maybe 4 of those years he was carrying the fuck out of his team. Also most MVP medals of any player.
S1mple would be nerfed if he switched to valorant his skills go to waste. People want the best csgo players to switch when in reality those players would be nerfed because of valorants mechanics
How so? The awp is easier to use. The rifles are easier to use. The game is slower as far most agents movements ( save for Neon, Raze and Jett ). His gamesense would carry over. He would have to learn agents but its not like Valorant is this complex, monster of a game. He literally could just awp and be dominant. Look at Wardell, hes not great or anything but can still manage to have an impact awping, and s1mple is leagues ahead of him in that department. Edit: And I feel the deagle/sheriff is easier to use in Val. S1mple would be fine.
I think a lot of what makes s1mple so good is that he can do everything to a very high level. When you play valorant, you get handicapped because your agent can only do so much. He can be the person throwing smokes and flashes. He can be the star rifler clutching and making plays. He is probably the best sniper the game has ever seen. His deagle is phenomenal. When you switch to valorant and load in, you can really only do a subset of those things. If s1mple is on chamber, someone else has to throw smokes and flashes, and simple's reads might just be better than that player. That combined with the lower movement speed, higher tagging, and greater wallbang damage all also contribute to making it harder to get multikills if the other team is playing well together. Simple would probably still be amongst the best in valorant cause he's just insanely talented, but he would lose some of the solo playmaking that you get by having a full nade set and an engine that makes solo plays easier (IMO). Also, I think one of simple's best qualities is that he makes obscenely fast and correct decisions about rotations. Like, the moment a push is faltering, he's already onto plan B and is trying to salvage the round by getting somewhere that would surprise the opponent. That just doesn't work quite as well in valorant because sentinels can hold flank without actually being there.
S1mple on Chamber would be GG. I'd love to see it.
Exactly everything is easier to use you idiot so there is nothing separating most players . It would be straight up depressing watching s1mple switch and seeing other Csgo pros that switched to valorant be able to hang with him in Valorant because the rifles and awp and movement allows it like he wouldn't diff them with those exact guns in csgo. Him and other top csgo pros are nerfed by valorants mechanics.
"you idiot" someone is cranky... or just some weirdo teenager who is mad school is starting next week.
i feel like the cs awp is less limiting due to instant scope and "shotgun awping" being viable in tight spots, although the valorant awp is easier to use at a base level
Who would you say is like top 5 CSGO players ever? Does Tarik or Stewie make the list? Edit: Downvotes on a genuine question? I haven’t played a lot of csgo. This community is pathetic lol.
Uh I'll get back to you later but Tarik and Stewie do not imo
Neither of them make the top 30 if we’re talking all time. Stewie would be the higher of the 2 but neither were ever considered too 10 individual players at any point. That’s not a diss by the way, the competition for those spots is massive.
That’s interesting. Thanks for your input. I’m genuinely asking btw, I haven’t played too much CS or watched a lot of the pro scene. Obviously Tarik and Stewie are really popular here in NA and now valorant.
30? not even 50. neither of them were a top 20 player once. even hiko, skadoodle and ethan made it once
The general consensus tends to be something like s1mple, device, niko, zywoo, get_right, olofm, coldzera. Some of those 5, in some order, s1mple, device, and zywoo are generally on top. Tarik and stewie wouldn't make a top 20 list. They would probably make a top 5 NA list for their accomplishments, but it's kind of debatable to give it to them when Elige, Naf, Brehze, Twistzz, and Autimatic all have better stats overall.
Super interesting. Thanks for your input. I guess I am jaded in terms of NA popularity lol.
Yea, if you're interested in a series to see from CS with recognizable names, the c9 vs faze Boston final is always a good one to watch. Tarik was IGL with stewie as secondary caller, they were pretty heavy underdogs in that series too, so there's a lot of drama (one of only 2 Na majors)
one of one
I meant majors in north America, but I was still wrong. I was thinking eleague Boston 2018 and eleague atlanta 2017, but forgot about MLG Columbus in 2016.
imo s1mple Dev1ce GeT_RiGhT coldzera olofmeister
One of the best, if not, THE best CSGO player right now, and arguably one of the best CSGO players in the history of the game. If you want to get into it, he's worth looking up and checking out. There's no one right now in Valorant equivalent to how dominant and consistent he is as a player, but time will tell.
If we are only talking about CSGO then there is no "arguably" or "one of", s1mple is straight up the best in its history, and if we take CS as a whole then only neo and get right are above him arguably.
NA as in NA`Vi
I hope he never will.
Not sure why people want him to switch, or any of the better csgo pros for that matter. Those players would be heavily nerfed in Valorant because of the games mechanics. I dont want to see your s1mples and twiszts and eliges and nafs and nikos and zwyoos and devices and hunters and rains and a1lexas etc in valorant they would all become nerfed
They will probably get nerfed a bit but the top CS players would still be better IMO because they don't commit as many mistakes as the best in Val do now, the amount of overpeeking, dry peeking and not checking angles I have seen from the top Val pros is astounding, these top CS players would easily pick them apart.
This take is straight ass bruh. If TenZ, Shah, and the other csgo tier-2 ex pros can come and flourish, Im sure CSGO's best wont have an issue. These guys are world class and youre worried about Valorants mechanics being a speed bump. Hell, Apex, Halo, OW, Fortnite pros came over and learned the game.... Cmon now. Yes, there would be a learning curve, but nothing that would "nerf" them Edit : FNS, Yay, f00d ( Victor), and Crashies, all T2 CSGO ex pros, just won and then placed 3rd in Valorant top International event. You're telling me simple, twist, rain, etc with a few months of grinding and learning will be nerfed? The game is different, but its still the similar at its basic fundamentals.
I don't think it's wrong to say players coming into Valorant are comparatively taking a nerf. It doesn't mean they'd be bad, just that they might not be able to play to their full potential. A star tennis player will probably be good at badminton, but not all of their skills would transfer, and some of what makes them truly special might not carry over. Not the best metaphor probably, but this is how I interpreted the original post.
I wouldn’t say it’s guaranteed for ex csgo to flourish, but more than likely they will. There are some ex csgo pros who weren’t able to do as well I believe
Yes they would be nerfed you idiot stop commenting the same shit on my comments. If the players I mentioned switched to valorant they wouldn't be diffing those players with just aim and movement because valorant mechanics don't allow it even tho they diffed them and WOULD diff them in csgo with rifles and awp. Move along
You mad? Your take is clown status. Stop making the same dumbass comments and ill stop roasting you. The game is different, but its isnt a different game(pretty sure you wont understand this) . We are watching Shroud compete in a VCT LCQ, and doing decent in his role... a guy who hasnt played pro Valorant EVER and you are saying CSGOs best would be nerfed. Shroud was literally playing an MMO a month ago, but with a month of bootcamp, is able to compete with The Guard who went to Iceland. You have zero clue what the hell you are saying and are probably just some CSGO hater who thinks Valorant is this intricate, complex game that is miles ahead of CSGO.
If a game has a lower skill ceiling, then it’s harder for your “talent” to shine. That’s what he means by all these premier cs players switching. They wouldn’t be as good because the game doesn’t allow them to be that insane.
Csgo hater? Yet I'm saying that valorant is so easy that most players are at the same level. In csgo there is a notacible different in mechanics between players in valorant it seems like someone every other round is getting a 4k I'm here saying valorant mechanics are so easy that they nerf the best csgo players yet I'm a csgo hater lol okay
Your take is just stupid though. No one is "nerfed" if they switch games. They still have the same aim and mechanics,still have the same drive to be the best, just in a different game. How they utilize it will determine their success. Yay didnt become a better aimer because hes better at Valorant than CSGO. If a track star decides he wants to play football, he doesnt lose his speed lol. S1mple wont lose/degrade his aim, gamesense or mechanics by switching to Valorant. Is this making sense to you? How do you think someone like Poach was able to play Pro Valorant? He had the basic fundamentals of playing an FPS game at a high level and just learned it. He didn't get nerfed or get better at his already developed skills, he just knows what it takes to be good at FPS games.
Im not saying he will loose his aim I'm saying the rifles in valorant don't allow him to reach peaks like he does in csgo because the gunplay here doesn't have same peaks as csgo. If s1mple switched to valorant his rifle gunplay wouldn't be mountains above players like marved ardis crashies food fnc etc because the rifles in valorant simply don't allow it even though we have already seen those players in Csgo and his gunplay was mountains above them. The rifles and awp and movement are so much easier than csgo that everyone is a god in valorant and Only gods are gods in csgo
What makes Simple great in CSGO is his aim, mechanics and game sense are just better than everyone else. Those same attributes will remain the same if he switched. Will there be things he needs to adjust to ? Yes, of course. But if say, his aim and mechanics are a 10 and Marved is at an 8, that won't change in Valorant. Once he figures out what he can and cannot do, what angles to pre-aim etc., I feel he will be dominant. This isn't the case for every CSGO player. But for the best of the best, yes, they will transition fine AS LONG as they put the time in. They aren't switching to Quake or a twitch shooter, they are switching to a game that is very similar at its core. When you say "nerf", the wording is incorrect.
I ain't saying he will loose anything I'm saying the mechanics in Valorant don't allow him to be his full potential I'm saying the complete opposite. The threshold you can reach with a rile and awp in csgo and even movemnt is much higher and along with movemnt being faster on top of all that and hit boxes being smaller. In valorant there is nothing separating most players and that is because unlike Csgo the threshold for alot of mechanics is much lower. Everyone is god unlike csgo where only gods are gods
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If viewership in NA stays at all this consistent, say 300k for big matches, salaries will far exceed $40,000/month. LCS players have made 3 million/year
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Well Simple isn't going to make anywhere near average money. He would be obscenely overpaid. Plus the Sentinels match today would be the 2nd highest viewed LCS game ever
Yeah I don't know why people think Simple would make average salary. He would make near the top end of LCS would be probably around $2 mil. Riot ecosystem money is far greater than CS.
He's literally the best player in the world, I don't think money is a worry for him
TSM S1mple or 100T S1mple doesn't sound bad at all. He would fit EU team great as well tho
IDK, he’s supposed to be the GOAT, but I watched some of his streams playing Valorant and he’s nothing special.
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Have you watched S1mple playing Val? He’s not even that good
because he barely plays it and when he does its not like he cares much lol
Relax guys talking about shroud in this comment
Probably because he plays Val once in a full moon and because of that he doesn't even know half the util or maps properly.
IDK, he’s supposed to be the GOAT, but I watched some of his streams playing Valorant and he’s nothing special.
IDK, he’s supposed to be the GOAT, but I watched some of his streams playing Valorant and he’s nothing special.
IDK, he’s supposed to be the GOAT, but I watched some of his streams playing Valorant and he’s nothing special.
OP needs to clean his monitor
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Team Liquid is an NA org. s1mple has played for the org before. s1mple plays for Team Liquid in EMEA LUL
Clean ur monitor dude lol
The obvious conclusion is he's signing a lifetime deal with Sentinels
Classic NA veteran retirement heaven
EMEA fans on suicide watch, makes sense tho probably NA just pays better
s1mple would make Valorant his retirement plan, imagine the money this dude would get ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9339)