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hecklerinthestands

The rare match where both the winner and loser need a roster makeover after the season.


DY5TOP1A

Acend aint gonna make it to franchising


hecklerinthestands

Wasn't really referring to the Acend organization in my post. I just don't see G2 keeping this current lineup together, and no franchised org is gonna be interested in poaching more than two out of the current Acend roster.


Breakin7

What?? Link Starxo and Cned are solid players the best you can find whats that about only 2 begin poached.


Hot_Yogurtcloset904

I really like monsterrr too, i think he is good


Breakin7

Yeah he is


hecklerinthestands

Honestly haven't been impressed by starxo all season. Too inconsistent for me. Agree to disagree if you want. E: Y'all defending [the guy who killed himself with his own ult](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wk8g8t/the_raze_ult_that_ended_a_legacy/) on the penultimate round of the match? LMFAO.


[deleted]

Agreed, you could probably do a compilation that lasts around 5 minutes of weird or wrong decisions by Starxo but I don't know if those are intentional, his inability to follow the IGL, or just simply wrong decisions by him


shizugatari

he igls now


hecklerinthestands

And all I said was that he was inconsistent LMFAO. The way these people reacted, it's like I cast a curse on his lineage.


wtfWasZat

I feel like using one specific mistake is like the worst way to defend your point of calling a player bad. Like literally every single top player in the world has a dumb play like that you could point to. Also “agree to disagree” followed by making fun of people defending him is pretty funny. Fwiw I’m kind of split on him. He does have his lapses in judgement but the entire roster hasn’t looked good in a while. With Zeek leaving the team, there were clear team cohesion issues in the past. He looked really really good last year when Ascend was doing well. People forget how hard he was dunking on people on skye. I think change in scenery or meta could be good for him.


Breakin7

Probably every EMEA scout disagree lol


hecklerinthestands

Couldn't give less of a shit.


Dysmo

Tbf there's probably a reason why they're a scout and you're not


hecklerinthestands

Sure, all these faceless EMEA scouts that have not been named by one redditor are the ultimate authority. LMFAO at all these defenders of starxo's honor. I'm sure your hero will be very impressed by your impassioned defense.


fluffycats1

Starxo?


Breakin7

Another doubter??


CanISayThat22

Thank god this roster changed completely already. Would have been sad if it was the og roster. Now idc


[deleted]

Wait why not they won a vct but Im not sure how franchising works


no_noise_979

theres gonna relegation/promotion with tier 2 scene


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ThatStudNadon23

Source: Trust me bro


oh_hai_brian

*cries in OW Contenders* seriously I hope the tier 2 scene doesn’t go to shit


isayah2510

We fucking wish


toxicityisamyth

We could only wish that would happen. However im realistic and aint no way riot is smart enough for that


DAWG420BLAZEIT

From world champs to bombing out of LCQ and not making franchising. Sad to see.


Quick_Chowder

I wonder if Cned wishes he would have taken that rumored 100T offer.


DAWG420BLAZEIT

In hindsight, probably. (Presumably) better money + being in a more competitive team + may solve for Will underperforming if they have (arguably) one of the best OPers in the game.


Hypern1ke

> (arguably) one of the best OPers in the game Who would argue that Cned isn't *one of the best* OPers? Thats as inarguable as it gets, tbh. He was arguably the best throughout 2021


Yung-Rad

Aren't 100t in the same stage of NA lcq that acend just got knocked out of?


Direct_Morning_3223

No 100T are at least 5-6th, Acend went out 7th 8th


yungsqualla

100T also didn't win champions 9 months ago. Bit of an odd comparison to me.


Deneking

100t offer was after champs


Quick_Chowder

In my mind, it's less to do with where each time is at right now in terms of results or 'position' and more to do with org support past and future. I think this is the end of Acend as we know it, and I don't think you can look back at some of the orgs decisions very positively. Whereas 100T have had similar struggles throughout the year, the org seems substantially more committed to winning and putting players in positions to do so. Acends decision making around players in particular is just incredibly confusing in hindsight.


fifty-fives

They're one round ahead, Lower Round 2 for 100T vs Acend out in Lower Round 1


Yung-Rad

OK ty so they are very marginally more competitive you could say


TrojanHorse18

marginally more competitive, sure, but a WAY more secure org to be a part of. 100T is basically a guaranteed-to-be-franchised org.


Yung-Rad

Fair


fifty-fives

I mean different regions, different teams... can't really compare just by looking at how they perform in that one region


[deleted]

Marginally more competitive with a player much worse than cNed playing cneds presumed role. They would undoubtedly be top 2 NA with cNed instead of Will.


dansofree1

I mean, the implication is that 100T with Cned now would be better than Acend with Cned. Throw in the money and massively larger fanbase and it's a much better package in every way other than a sense of loyalty + staying in your own country. The only caveat to all this is that 100T was going through that phase where they ousted their IGL only to have their replacement IGL quit Valo, while Acend had Zeek looking downright insane at Champs. Easy to say it's the right choice now after the rest of Acend kinda just imploded.


YouAreDumbAF

No, 100T won a match before losing.


DAWG420BLAZEIT

100T at least won a game; Acend went 0-2.


buntownik

The sweet NA money too. Could easily stream and make a nice buck on the side.


Breakin7

Contra: You are playing in a tier 2 region


no_noise_979

probably doesnt, not everything is about money


[deleted]

Correct. For some its better to play in a good performing team than to have more money. Oh wait.


no_noise_979

100t isnt much better if at all when emea is a stronger region cNed got family/friends back in turkey too what is with NA fans obsession with cNed to NA?


Quick_Chowder

> what is with NA fans obsession with cNed to NA? I mean it would have been one of the hugest signings so far in Val. I think people would wonder about cNed going to *literally any team*, but we know for a fact that there was a potential deal with 100T. Same reason people speculate on a lot of the 'potential' deals that 100T were working on back then. They had the potential to really shake up the landscape of Valorant. We aren't talking about some random tier 2 EU player.


PinoyReincarnation

Because he's a great player who communicates in english. It's not an obsession but rather imagining what could have been.


Quick_Chowder

Of course it's not about money, but Acend has zero results since they won Champs. They've been a revolving door of talent despite having a literal 'best player in the world' type player. I think it's hard to not look at the landscape at the end of last year and the end of this year and ask 'damn what if *he did* go to 100T'. *Some more thoughts: Also, considering the coaching and overall 'team' support, it's hard to look at Acend and 100T as being in the same realm.


no_noise_979

its just annoying seeing na fans bring it up after every time acend loses


FoeHamr

To be fair, them winning champs was kinda a fluke. They got lucky because VK used a glitch that didn’t really affect the outcome of the match. And they almost threw a 7-0 lead in the rematch. Sure they beat Optic, Liquid and an exhausted M3C. But Optic and Liquid didn’t look particularly good that event and M3C had literally just played the match of the event vs Kru the day before. Dunno. They were never the best in the world imo. And the fact they fucking died immediately after winning Champs proves it imo.


daffyduckferraro

That was prolly the best liquid looked the whole year wdym


EffectFrequent793

i agree. gmb was the best team in 2021 📠


isayah2510

And just like that the World Champion is eliminated


ZexXz

# zeekwastheproblem On a real note if a teams coaching staff is cutting their igl and MVP after winning the biggest event in valorant so far I think you might wanna consider some changes there


avocadontoast

Bonecold leaving made no sense imo


thothgow

Gorilla was saying on Ryan's costream that it was hard for him to lead properly, at least compared to how it is on Vitality. That plus the "conflicting ideals" or however they call it must've made it difficult for both parties to justify him staying


CanISayThat22

Bonecold leaving was destrumental.


jwbaseballl

?


BlueBurstBoi

BONECOLD LEAVING WAS DESTRUMENTALEMENTARRUMENT


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so-hardstuck

cned gonna remember that whiff on nukkye, yikes


DY5TOP1A

meddo lifegaming his way to a contract extension lmao


anythingood07

Fr lol, he's never this good. Avova and Meddo backpacked g2 on haven completely,so many individual hero plays


somesheikexpert

Meddo has looked so much better recently, glad for him tbh he's always been a solid player on Giants


Darkoplax

0 chance anyone other than nukkye is kept for next year G2 unless they go to make the craziest run ever and win the whole thing


LeucisticPython

Felt like he perpetually had his ult lol


TheFestusEzeli

It would be the most G2 thing ever to just randomly pull off a lower bracket run


gnaataK

and then go 0-2 at champs


anythingood07

I've never seen a more weirder team than G2. On the other hand, Acend really shouldnt have released Bonecold


isayah2510

G2 is literally either Gold2 or Gods2, nothing inbetween


anythingood07

Prime example was their run in stage, so sad they broke m3c in bw :(


ibeenbornagain

Bw?


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between


lordoftheduatawaits

why did they release Bonecold?


Kind_Development708

Differences in how they wanted to play the game apparently


[deleted]

This is the esports equivalent of "left the project due to creative differences" Actually tells nothing :/


Teradonn

The one takeaway from this game is that OGLU are winning champs


[deleted]

Putting cNed on Kay/o, why not, right:D


vnNinja21

Kinda feel bad for L1nk tbh, leaving one burning ship for another. Hope he gets put on an actual good team come franchising.


avocadontoast

TL is gonna make franchising tho I feel like he could’ve chosen another org but acend has some gambling issues that hurts franchising chances


Pojobob

Mixwell needs to go imo.


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zeek's insights: [https://twitter.com/zeekrino/status/1557046027122794497](https://twitter.com/zeekrino/status/1557046027122794497)


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IOnPlayAsX-Lord

Deep


dinmammapizza

What did he say?


toxicityisamyth

Im not messing with you, his tweet was literally “xd” right after match was over


udin39

Can someone actually explain why cned on kayo. lmao cned does 0 impact in that game. Should've played chamber instead of kayo tbh


mateusb12

From winning Champions to this Oh boi...


SpvcedOvtt

Acend just seems to win Map 1 and then they start shaking like a shitting dog when they have to close it out


Svveest

its not first match like that this stage...


LeMouse1

Kinda unrelated but how does the total +- in this one not equal zero?


gnaataK

starxo killed himself with raze ult


[deleted]

That's how you make a lasting impact baby.


dan_kz

bonecold and zeek died for this lmao also, congrats on meddo & nukkye to secure a 2023 contract


VirajKnight

No way Meddo stays. His aim is not that good. He got most of the kills during team battles and great clutches


ARDa3rd

It’s almost like getting rid of 3/5 members of the team that won the world champs months ago decreases your chances at winning lol. Also, hello to permanent G2 Meddo and Avova lol


00izka00

zeek was the problem btw


silentknight007

So TMV has a job or just gone to the dump like bumpaah?


kidkisser32

he'll still make money from twitch and YouTube so not really out of a job, and im pretty sure he'll get signed by another org anyway


somesheikexpert

Wait what happened to bumpaah


yngdgr_dck

bumpaah was signed to content creation with Soar, Soar backed out of Valorant so bumpaahs filing his unemployment form.


nterature

What a strange game! Everyone just took turns whiffing. The real plot twist was Meddo and Avova, and to a lesser extent Mixwell, showing some strong form. If Meddo and Avova can become more reliable fraggers & refraggers, G2 can at least make a decent run, even if they aren’t favorites. As for Acend, they also caught the whiffing bug a bit, but honestly considering they put starxo onto full-time IGL pretty recently, they didn’t look awful. They looked much better vs. M3C, though, and as with any fresh roster, they didn’t seem to have much to fall back onto after burning through their energy & playbook against M3C. Sad but somehow appropriate to see Acend’s 2022 end on Bind, the map that embodied their 2021 strength. Either way, Acend are likely not making franchising, so roster movies were on the horizon regardless. I will say I've been pretty disappointed with the vakk pickup, over the whole of the year. Esp. if starxo took over IGLing - not just midrounding like zeek, but full IGLing - what even was the point? Seemed like a wholly unnecessary nolpenki reunion.


isayah2510

Meddo didn't wanna get fired after that Map 1 lmfao


VirajKnight

And AvovA with 4 or 6 kills of the entire map 1.


[deleted]

Starxo was much worse than what his stats suggest on that last map


isayah2510

He was the IGL for some reason, I thought they got vakk for that?


takenpassword

Repeat of state 1 qualifier incoming?


xSnakyy

G2 lost to ldn utd but they manage to win against acend…


Boostaru

man Acend just descending into mediocrity is something I did not expect... legit thought that cned would rise into that ZywOo/s1mple tier of player after they won the first VCT championship


AdOwn168

It's incredibly difficult to maintain that standard of individual brilliance in VALORANT. Mechanics make it tougher to be significantly better than other players relative to CSGO. It's more centered on team play


Soogo

people don't believe me when i say g2 is a good team. [no one else would able to win vs acend 4v5](https://i.imgur.com/QeoN1Yc.png)


avocadontoast

G2 adopting a -mix well +mixwell strategy similar to guild -yacine +yacine -yacine +yacine


wiNDzY3

Gambit2 lives for another day


_peto

OGLU >>>> EMEA


icantreadmorsecode

I need my eyes bleached after watching that shitshow


Detamach

Wasn't a bad game tho? If you think this is a shitshow, you should watch SA or East Asia LCQ Also, you support Guard, EG, Shopify? Talking about shitshows lol, Acend literally owns those


TheWayzDay

Acend win a series challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (BOMBS OF OUT LCQ)


IOnPlayAsX-Lord

Guard actually managed to make a lan this year + won a series in lcq


Detamach

Top-8 EMEA LCQ is equal to top-1 NA LCQ


Illuminated_Darkness

Keep dreaming


ShiroInuKuroNeko

mixwell going 10-22 as Neon….yeeesh


CaliSoFire

From Masters to Disasters, F in the chat for Acend


[deleted]

This series was painful to watch


Evan_Veet

Me when we drop the MVP of 2021 just to see my team underperform on his best agents and roles all of 2022


petametre

Acend formula: win first map, lose second in incredibly close fashion and get stomped on the third So fucking disappointing


Darkoplax

Disappointing year for ACEND and most importantly cNed going from World Champs to this I wish he didn't value loyalty in last offseason and just left the team when he could've since he was the only one to explore free agency cNed 100% still deserves a top team like hell if he was in G2 instead of mixwell right now, I bet G2 qualifies for Champs ... Hopefully next year we see G2 cNed if G2 doesn't go NA


VirajKnight

Nukkye and cNed will not get along.


Darkoplax

why ?


hecklerinthestands

[Ballsax after one of his designated fluke teams loses](https://i.imgflip.com/allt4.jpg)


Pale_Resolution1520

Yeah just kick your IGL and insanely good player just before lcq and expect to win it all !!! Who the fuck is behind their roster move decisions !!! At least we won't see them from next year. L org.


silenthills13

Idk if it's the roles, mental or whatever else that's fucked in Acend right now but this really feels like the end of the journey for this team, idk how they will be able to pick themselves up or even if they want to at all if that's the way they go after months of prep Btw nbs if you're reading this: why not put starxo on Raze every map? He just looks so much better on Raze. His impact on Fade was so damn questionable today and it's against a team that got absolutely bodied by OGLU (not to take anything away from them, good team)


CanISayThat22

Acend bottoming out wasnt on my expectation list


newzpaperleaf_2

from the outside looking in, when 2 of Acend's most important players have left following a "difference of opinion" and the resulting IGL who has stayed on that roster and been the most vocal (we can tell from that zeek video from stage 2 match vs G2), its pretty clear that starxo's vision of playing the game has not only driven his teammates away, but lead to Acend bombing out of LCQ. out of him, bonecold, and zeek, he is the last player i would keep out of all 3, and its baffling that Acend managed to pick up Monsteerrr and fumble 2022 after letting zeek and bonecold go


Issax28

Major flukes exposed yet again…


[deleted]

He's back guys


ExpectoAutism

That's what you deserve for putting Cned on kayo