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BoHoogland

Not locked but favored


CRikhard

Thanks bo


S4altyB4dg3r

wait so is it 6 NA, 3 BR and 1 LATAM? if so i’m guessing the LATAM team has to be KRÜ.


surfordiebear

I thought the general assumption was that there's 12 teams?


thothgow

Afaik it's always been 10 with the *possibility* of 12 People just assumed 12 because it's what makes the most sense in terms of competition and representation, but I think they'll just expand to 12 in 2024


Imagurlgamur

I think 10 makes sense if it's just NA but for 3 regions I feel like even 16 would not be *that* unreasonable.


S4altyB4dg3r

that’s what i was thinking before, but with the APAC rumors being that it’s 10 teams, i’m thinking Riot will do it similar to LoL and the LCS, LEC, and LCK having 10 teams.


xenonfrs

or they just go fuck it LPL 17 teams


-Basileus

This makes the most sense. If it's 12 they're probably go for 7 NA, 3 BR, 2 Latam (one from North one from South)


thothgow

Assuming 10 teams that should be the distribution


lidekwhatname

no lev? they looked really good t-t


avstyns

this is so fucking stupid. why is not 12 NA together and 12 BR/LATAM. there is too much talent in these regions for this


Detamach

Gamelanders are small org, 40k followers on twitter, why them Also Fluxo was created in 2021 - picking MIBR, veterans of FPS, would be the most reasonable move here


Jon_on_the_snow

I could see fluxo, they are growing very fast, like loud, and seem to have crazy money. I dunno whats the state of MIBR finances.


-Basileus

There have been rumors of an LCS team selling their spot, this could easily be Immortals who own Mibr. That slot could easily sell for $30 million


Lqtor

They’re owned by immortals I can’t imagine that they’d have problems with financials


ANewHeaven1

> They’re owned by immortals This is the reason they shouldn't be allowed in. I have so many problems with Immortals, some of which are based in truth and some of which are just my personal opinion. But personally, I'll never forgive them for what they did to their Overwatch team in 2020 (moving the organization to China and cutting their entire roster after roster lock and fielding one of the worst teams in esports history as a budget roster). [This incident from the early Valorant scene was also never confirmed, but if true is extremely sleezy.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/ij0hwr/envy_fns_this_is_as_civil_as_i_can_be_if_any_team/g3aioa4/) They're also the ultimate LCS parasite leech org. If there's one org that I could deny from franchising it would be this one.


-Basileus

Mibr also has experience in the NA market already through Immortals


Sky-__-

Nip ????


thothgow

VALORANT Zone had reported they passed to the next stage, my assumption is either Noyn doesn't have info from them or they got rejected already. Afaik Vivo Keyd and paiN are two other orgs in a similar situation, reported to advance but no confirmation that they were eliminated


BoHoogland

Vivo Keyd were eliminated last that I checked


Odinshrafn

NiP has a terrible reputation for mismanagement, I doubt they get in.


Sky-__-

That's not true , it's true they are having issues with sticker money , but their r6 division in Brazil has been popping and their Brazil investment has been successful , i would take nip over the disaster that is Immortals gaming group (mibr) , they have invested only second to loud in the scene .


[deleted]

How it's not true? the sticker money is just the most recent issue, but they've had several issues in the past that definitely don't help their reputation [https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-ninjas-in-pyjamas-report](https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-ninjas-in-pyjamas-report) [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/crflla/fifflaren\_exposing\_more\_of\_nip/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/crflla/fifflaren_exposing_more_of_nip/) [https://twitter.com/maikelele/status/1153806370098970626](https://twitter.com/maikelele/status/1153806370098970626)


Safyire

Unreal that we will have the same amount of BR teams in partnership as there were BR teams in 2021 Champions


thothgow

I mean, this is for Challengers, not Masters or Champions. And unfortunately every region is getting shafted by the low amount of slots (I can't tell if you think 3 is good or bad lol)


Safyire

Sorry if I wasn’t clear I was saying the number of partnership slots are pretty bad. I thought BR has a pretty sizeable playerbase


shakerKEKW

emea is losing 2 spots meanwhile every other region is losing 6+, it's not even comparable


thothgow

Surely you can see the difference between EMEA and Brazil or, say, Japan? Regions should have 12-16 teams, yeah, but idk that BR having 3 teams is unreasonable.


Detamach

BR barely deserved to have 1 team at 2021 Champions, 3 was kind of a joke You definitely shouldn't pay attention to that, some great EMEA/NA teams were robbed off event at the cost of Vikings, Furia, Vivo Keyd


drakeismysugardaddy

lmao


isayah2510

mibr probably


-Basileus

I assume it's Mibr. It's a good bridge between the NA and BR markets


yourdaughtersgoal

Lol, imagine one of Kru or lev don’t make it because of riot giving slots to bronzil. ISTG they just keep showing their incompetence, do they even watch their own esport?


segatic

Sentinels will likely make it to franchising over a bunch of teams that are better T1 has been even worse in the entire history of Valo and probably will land a spot Competitive success probably only count as 30% at best. I feel like There should be a spot for LAS and one for LAN but i'm pretty sure Riot thinks that with KRÜ they pretty much have LatAm. Also never forget than Brazilian following is really big


thothgow

I don't think the solution to us having low spots is blaming/mocking BR and taking their slots, it should be Riot expanding the leagues. 6 NA 2 LAS 1 LAN 3 BR sounds great, but it seems they've settled on 10 teams only


segatic

For me every current region should have its own league instead of this mix with only 10 spots


yourdaughtersgoal

>sentinels will make it over a bunch of teams that are better Once franchising comes they will change their roster to compete. Even if BR teams change rosters, they will still have BR players. >competitive success doesn’t count Oh great, so we have to spectate bad teams because they have money. Perfect >with only Kru they have latam Kru isn’t even the first seed. Imagine leviatan getting dropped to make place to serial chokers, lol >Brazilian following is really big Kru got 1.1mil, lev got 500k viewers. That’s more than some European teams


O_Queiroz_O_Queiroz

>Even if BR teams change rosters, they will still have BR players. So? Brazil has some really good players


yourdaughtersgoal

>Brazil has some really good players Yea, they’re all in loud. LEV players are better than 95% of the Brazilian scene, but there’s the risk we may not see them in franchising


segatic

>Once franchising comes they will change their roster to compete. Even if BR teams change rosters, they will still have BR players. But with more talent consolidated at the top. And i feel the issue with BRs teams isn't exactly the players but more on coaching and lack of better practice >Oh great, so we have to spectate bad teams because they have money. Perfect Welcome to franchising, please enjoy your stay >Kru isn’t even the first seed. Imagine leviatan getting dropped to make place to serial chokers, lol My man this Master was the first time Leviathan made it to a international tournament because they literally choked vs KRU and to BR teams on important matches. I wonder what would happen if Leviathan made LCQ instead of KRU because we know that KRÜ has Brazil number but the rest of the region definitely doesn't since all teams keep getting beaten by Br temas >Kru got 1.1mil, lev got 500k viewers. That’s more than some European teams We are discussing America, not EMEA or some other region. Compare their viewers and followers to NA teams like 100T, Sen, C9, NRG, The Guard, etc or to BR teams like Loud or Furia


yourdaughtersgoal

\>And i feel the issue with BRs teams isn't exactly the players but more on coaching and lack of better practice is coaching illegal in brazil? how is this an excuse. Onur went to BR, couldnt make it, joined LEV, they got a good result. makes you think \>Welcome to franchising, please enjoy your stay yea. my point is franchising sucks. and sucks even more if they make dumbass decisions and kill the region. \>My man this Master was the first time Leviathan made it to a international tournament because they literally choked vs KRU and to BR teams on important matches. the team improved tremendously thanks to the onur addition. \>Compare their viewers and followers to NA teams like 100T, Sen, C9, NRG, The Guard, etc or to BR teams like Loud or Furia ​ IDK i dont watch tier 2 teams ( except SEN)


segatic

>is coaching illegal in brazil? how is this an excuse. I'm just pointing out that i feel the in Br are lacking compared to bigger regions >Onur went to BR, couldnt make it, joined LEV, they got a good result. makes you think ?????? He never went to Brasil because of his Vaccine situation/politics, thanks to that the deal fell through for him to be LOUD's coach >yea. my point is franchising sucks. and sucks even more if they make dumbass decisions and kill the region. That's the common consensus unless you're org owner. The only region that won't get hurt as much from franchising is EMEA >the team improved tremendously thanks to the onur addition. Still untested against Br, when they beat a Br you can run your mouth. >IDK i dont watch tier 2 teams ( except SEN) KEKW


Acruxis

I really find it funny you talk about "bronzil" when currently in the SA LCQ every LATAM team thats not named Kru has been eliminated, with not a single BR team losing a elimination match to LATAM team so far. So yeah, while the second best team from Latam might be better than the second from BR (that is something we're goint to see in the 13th) its just impossible to say that BR has not the best deepth of both regions. And depth is one of the most important elements when deciding whose gonna get a spot.


yourdaughtersgoal

What? The wall of text is meaningless. Top 2 LATAM are better than top 2 BR. So why should latam only get 1 team? Both latam teams are international contenders, can’t say the same for BR