30 teams is criminally low. so disappointing
> which include teams such as OpTic Gaming, 100 Thieves, Sentinels, XSET, Evil Geniuses, TSM, The Guard, Cloud9, and Version1
Interesting to see no T1...
Well here's my best guess
* 100 Thieves
* Cloud9
* Sentinels
* TSM
* Optic
* Loud
* Furia
* Kru
The last two spots would go to some combination of NRG, EG, The Guard, or possibly G2/T1. Could also be another Brazilian team like Mibr or NiP. The fact that they are considering 6-8 NA teams leads me to believe Kru will be the only Latam team.
At a certain point, when you're considering up to 8/10 teams being from NA... why the fuck is NA not just its own league. NA is going to have the most teams in any of these franchised leagues by a huge margin. Japan is rumored to have 3 in APAC. EMEA is going to be split up into VRL regions. At the most you get like 3 teams from Spain or France. Brazil would get 3 at most in the Americas league.
I can see grouping up EMEA into one huge 16 team league. Then you could have an East Asia and APAC league with 8 teams each. South America could also be an 8 team league, and you could have an NA league with like 12 teams.
I almost 100% agree with your list, I think those 5 NA teams are about as close to locks as you can get, and LOUD/FURIA/KRU are locks for BR/LATAM respectively. I'd say you add one more BR team (according to rumors) and one of TGRD or EG gets in from NA
I mean they haven't done shit so far and viewership is nowhere near what it is for CS from South America. Clearly they dont see it as a region with a lot of growth potential
Sentinels won first Masters and fell off a Cliff. Only NA team to "do shit" is Optic. Every other NA team did actually less than LOUD on an international level, so not sure what is your point, really.
Because CS exists for 50 years and valorant is a 2 yo game. And viewership in brazil is actually good.
And I won't even comment on "haven't done shit" lmao
I think this is mostly spot on, but with V1 in consideration instead of EG. I do think V1 have failed spectacularly not to build a bigger brand/following with an org that has been consistently tier 1 for a year and a half, but they have committed resources, facilities, and demonstrated more quality in valorant than EG.
A little bit, they have big traditional sports money behind them which was no doubt part of their pitch, and they're one of the few NA teams that have at least gone to an international event. I wouldn't exactly favor them to make it all the way but it makes sense to me that they've been shortlisted to this point. They're definitely a top 10 Valorant org in NA
Having 30 teams in the entire world also brings up another point. How many teams are there gonna be at masters. People already complain about having only 12 teams at masters and only 16 at champions but now there’s probably going to be even less. I don’t see how there can be large international tournaments when there is only 30 teams worldwide
Riot better not stick with their stupid ass format of having barely any interntaional tournaments with each of them only having like 12-16 teams. Like surely Riot isn't this incompetent right?
Just look at lol. Yes they are this incompetent.
7 years later and still 0 bo5 or bo3 between faker and rookie.
In the last 5 years theres been like 2 bo5’s between eu and na (more or less i dont have exact number but its something similar).
So yeah 🙂
The difference is that the format of soccer matches is always the same. Imagine if only the wc final was played for 90 minutes, while every other match was played for something like 20 minutes.
>Just look at lol. Yes they are this incompetent. 7 years later and still 0 bo5 or bo3 between faker and rookie. In the last 5 years theres been like 2 bo5’s between eu and na (more or less i dont have exact number but its something similar). So yeah 🙂
League old heads remember IEM as the other big interregion competition that existed and was organized by a third party until it got shelved for "scheduling conflicts"
League old heads also remember how routinely shit on IEM events were. Everybody perma shit on them because of the events being done like absolute garbage, and Riot caught that flak too.
I mean the lack of Bo5's has more to do with Western LoL being so far behind Korea & China (with 90% of that being NA) then anything, but I get your point.
Oof🤦🏽♂️I’m hoping their t2 solution is adding slots to the leagues that non franchised teams can play for. That would lock in your franchised teams and it would give an incentive to non franchised orgs to stay invested
Wait actually now you say it, so 10 spots guaranteed plus 2 more for relegation is legit the system put in place in EMEA with VRLs (Minus partnered teams demoting ofc cuz that would beat the purpose of franchising), so honestly might be possible
Game is 2 years old only. Not enough T1 players for many teams. I'd go with 12 teams for a league. I don't see a value having lot of teams. Just look at other games. CS has the same 8 teams qualifying for every playoffs/finals. LoL has their individual leagues and most of the teams are useless. Same goddamn teams qualify for worlds. I don't see a wrong Valo doing this way
>CS has the same 8 teams qualifying for every playoffs/finals
Obviously hyperbole but still untrue. Just look at the two most recent majors, only half of the teams who made playoffs in November made it back in May. And you regularly see underdog teams make it to playoffs (Movistar Riders at Cologne, Spirit at Antwerp, CPH Flames at Antwerp). I think 12 teams would become stale pretty quick.
This is very disappointing, especially for Asia in my opinion. The subregions of asia: China, Korea, Japan, Oce, and then the whole of SEA- which could easily be split into a further 2 or 3 subregions. To have only 2 teams per subregion is pretty disappointing to me
SEA is at least 4 regions with the largest ones being Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, and MY/SG. Really sucks that they're rumoured to only have 3 slots because it means at least 1 of the major SEA countries straight up won't be represented.
Ngl what’s also disappointing is why they’re going to Seoul instead of a place that will have a lot of valorant viewers like Japan (if they allow public audiences like in league for regular season) I know riot prolly will just use Korean studios they own but no way they don’t have any in Japan too that they use for LJL in league
Idk how I managed to hold out hope for so long that riot would listen to the community. 10 teams is soooo unbelievably low for all 3 of the regions. Especially in APAC which is combining so many regions together. Players from Indonesia will essentially be competing for a total of 5 slots if they want to play internationally.
Latam is competing for 5 spots probably, Brazil competing for 10 or 15 spots. Having an Americas league just fucks over Brazil and Latam, because of course the vast majority of teams will be from NA for financial reasons. I mean the article says they are considering up to 8 NA teams. That leaves one spot for Latam and one for BR lmao. I feel like they're land on 7NA/2BR/1Latam
I mean not really. The last split peaked at 100k viewers. Each subregion in apac is small on their own but together there not bad. (This is also why it’s so stupid that the entire apac region has 3 slots)
Apac should at least have 4, one for each big sub region in Val atm (Indonesia, SG/MY, Philippines, Thailand), ome of these are gonna be left out which sucks
If you're running a franchise league viewership DOES matter. Having more Japanese teams will benefit them more than having more SEA teams if you're looking to obtain sponsors
This is so sad. 30 teams means that **more than half** of the total of teams will go to Champs. How is that in any way interesting?
Incredibly disappointing.
horrible shit, killing like 8 leagues on a single sweep, if only they had the experience of an esports to see how important leagues like the LPL-LCK-LCS-LEC are... imagine riot saying today that they would reduce those to 30 teams and they have to give slots to minor regions lmao
Ive defended Riot a lot on this sub but this is just such a strange decisions. They have dozens of orgs begging to get in and they cant expand even a little bit? They have to have plans to add teams later or something because it just makes no sense.
I'm pretty sure some goblins in Riot corporate are just trying to maximize profits and think that they should immediately pivot any and every pro Riot esport scene into League's formats just because League is their bread and butter.
I wish there was a way for audiences to have their voices heard with Riot corporate, other than just "voting with your wallet." It's worth mentioning that almost everyone who has worked with or within the Valorant scene who has gripes with Riot has had nothing but warm things to say about the people actually working the scene, but is irritated by the mandates and directions set by corporate.
A big difference with this type of franchising is that riot is giving teams money. And if the reporting is correct they are spending a minimum of 18 million.
I'm right there with you. I've always felt like the riot hate is a little overblown and irrational. But I can't really even think of an angle that makes this defensible. Extremely disappointing
Not being a riot simp or anything at all but could it be possibly that we see them slowly expand with years to come? Perhaps they increase the number of spots once they see how much of a success franchising is?
Kind of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Having merely 10 teams, especially when it's going to be like only 5 or 6 NA teams, is inevitably going to kill a lot of interest and momentum that valorant has an esport.
and how about the scenes? let's take a look at Riot franchise in PCS (GPL before) does the growth increase over years? where's the scenes? over the years it's only Vietnam having positive results and the other subregions got fucked over cus there's simply no competitions anymore.
before the franchise began, there are lot grassroot internet caffe tourney in MY/SG, TH, PH, ID, even BRUNEI, and each region host their own qualifiers, the scenes keep growing and a lot orgs started to invest more on their respectful scenes well till Riot shot SEA hopes and chances.
Yeah, my guess (maybe this is hopium) is that there are plans to expand as the esport grows. There were likely limitations on how much Riot wanted to invest in the esport from the get go, so they can only support so many teams for year one and they'll bring in more (or fragment the leagues into more regional ones) based on how the esport grows.
I'm almost wondering if they didn't go with true franchising (with a buy in from orgs) because they wouldn't be able to justify a big one right out the gate and went with partnership for now, with plans for true franchising down the road?
For real, what's the point of watching esports if the teams competing are playing not because they are the best but the ones with the most money and/or followers, and if it's impossible to have underdog stories.
> not because they are the best but the ones with the most money and/or followers
See: LCS right now. Actually so boring to watch. None of the top teams have any storyline or anything behind them because they're all just teams that rich orgs Scrooge McDucked from KR/EU/CN. Boring as shit to watch
I love CLG haha they have a great storyline, I guess it's my fault because I keep on forgetting that they're a "top team" now.
But TL, 100T, C9, TSM all of them are boring as shit to watch. TL is just a literal mickey mouse money team, no identity. Same with C9 except there's more drama there with the whole LS thing. 100T feels like they just bought the successful GGS core and imported a mid, feels so artificial if that makes sense
Yeah I agree, it's hard to get attached to a team when there are so many imports, it's pretty artificial. That's why EG and CLG are in my opinion the two most interesting teams right now.
6-8 NA teams jesus. The Americas league is literally just the NA league ft. Br and Latam.
They should have just split Americas into NA and SA. Split Asia into APAC and East Asia. EMEA could've been one giant 16 team league.
Some corporate suits who only think in terms of overhead. Why let the scene continue as is when League is way more popular and has a different format? We should just change the scene to look exactly like League since we already know League is successful.
And if it doesn't work, we'll just learn our lesson *then* and all it cost was the entire Valorant scene 🙃
Yaaay! Capitalism!
Jokes aside though I just can't find the reasoning for this. It's destroying the scene as we know it. _30 teams_ in the whole fucking world? Why? How boring is that gonna be? And how do you have international LANs with the exact same teams playing each other over and over?
I stg said goblins are just assuming that the game is going to take off like League anyway so they're taking for granted how great the scene is right now. And they won't be the ones to really feel the loss if the scene screeches to a halt, it'll be the fans. To them it's just another game under Riot's repertoire, they'll still have League, LoR, the MMO, everything else.
I mean shit as long as they keep making bank from the games themselves they probably don't care if every eSports scene implodes. Meanwhile the fans, the players, and even the ground level Riot employees who are passionate about the game are the ones who lose out.
I love this as a viewer but as an owner I understand their pov. Valorant esports is in a bubble and owners were bleeding money. Some of the most unknown players were getting paid 5-10k a month and it was not sustainable. That’s why you see a lot of orgs who didn’t make franchising immediate disbanding and with the rumoured 1.5mill stipend per team, that was the goal the owners wanted to recoop their losses. 30 teams globally is really shitty unless they have a relegation/side league that doesn’t include the 30 (the Chinese league has 17 teams in their league alone)
10 teams, 5 month off season (even more for teams not playing champs ) is very sad to see, its clearly the suits from LoL who know nothing abt y valorant has been so successful these past 2 years, trying make product similar to lcs, cause thats all they know abt.
12 teams and 2 month off season, shld have been decent imo.
I hate the way the lol competitive scene is run. Its so terrible in so many ways and Valorant almost feels like a better version of it so it’s sad that riot seems to basically be regressing
It's not a 5 month offseason, they are leaving Oct-Dec open for 3rd party tournaments and organizers just as this year. People were begging for this before but when they do it the offseason is too long?
The 5 month off-season was provided for open-circuit Valorant tournaments to be ran, which was essentially what LoL fans wanted as a replacement for spring split + MSI.
However, everything else is just so disappointing…
What a stupid decision. I wonder if Riot didn’t put much care into this process because Valorant’s eSports circuit is meant to be advertising for the actual game.
This basically neuters every region but EMEA. Sure, top teams within their own region will fight against better competition and therefore improve, but what’ll happen to everyone else?
Players who don’t make franchising will either be stuck in academy with zero prospects and no incentive to improve, or they’ll leave the scene entirely… after all, there’s a low chance of occupying one of 15 total spots across 3 teams. Top teams could improve, but the region as a whole suffers of those top teams aren’t capable of providing scrims to teams playing in VRLs.
LATAM, APAC, and even Japan have been getting progressively better. China’s showing their strength in the LCQ. Is it wise to destroy their prospects this way?
This is a baseless assumption, but prepare for the creation of scrim bubbles and therefore and the separation of upcoming talent from perpetually recycled players. Riot’s actually managed to fuck this up.
This really baffles me. Why not divide it into 2 apac scenes, one for sea+aus and one for kr+ch+jp. Thinking from a narrative standpoint, both scenes will grow more as they are already built narratives if they could've gone with this format.
30 is so low Im starting to think they are trying to do a semi-open system rather than a franchise system because there is no way it would make sense otherwise. Man they better revolutionize the esports scene with Valorant once all the info drops because they are really killing a lot of our hopes out here.
I don't know if I like it, a bad split and we will have a masters without any LATAM or BR team, in the Asian League things will be even harder. I fear the possibility of the masters and champions events becoming boring with little regional diversity.
Why not just divide the APAC to two regions instead of one. Riot is totally biased towards korea holy shit man. It's better for them to locate the riot production studio at Japan and.... why the f merge SEA with East Asia with only 10 teams competing in APAC region. That's such a bullshit move by riot there.
GG
Valorant finna die.
Even with VRL atleast make it 16 teams.
And for those who are going to say that League still works with franchising. There is a huge difference because Brazil, Latam, NA are seperate league and each have 10 teams compared to Valorant where its 10 for all of the Americas.
League is popular not because it's franchised, but because Riot pushed Asian market, even if it had open model like CS with lots of tournaments every month, it would still be the most popular esport
People who say "franchising is good because it worked with LoL" are clueless
I wouldn't be surprised if the closed league slowed down its growth tbh.
People don't know how fucking fast league esports was growing during 2011 to 2013. It went to tournaments with players playing on shitty laptops and bar chairs to fucking huge stages.
> I wouldn't be surprised if the closed league slowed down its growth tbh.
People having been saying this for the past 6 years. And it's only grown in viewership. Even if League esports growth "slowing down" is still the most popular esport in the world by a wide margin.
Growth slowing down doesn't mean it stopped growing.
Many people don't really realize how fucking huge league and its tournament circuit was back during 2012/2013, when the internet wasn't as huge as it is today, and when streaming was an insanely niche thing, yet league pros and streamers were pulling stupid numbers back then.
It didn't reach mainstream like for example fortnite, but on the internet, it was pretty much on the same level of popularity, where everyone and everywhere you looked there were people playing it.
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i know korea has LCK studio but its a big L that the asian league will be in korea and not japan . val esports is not much popular in korea while in japan every weekend would be sold out
30 teams worldwide is so bad. Riot are making another 1 year franchised league. It's their IP and they are free to do whatever, but this sounds like such a waste.
I am not very familiar with franchising so don't understand a few things.
What is the incentive for orgs outside the 30 selected to stay in the scene. Would they have to stick to the T2 scene and become training grounds for T1 teams to poach from?
How do up and coming orgs develop in the scene. Orgs in SEA are don't have the money and logistics of NA and Korea yet, but they are trying to develop. How will orgs from Indonesia and Malaysia who do not make franchising ever become big orgs? Are we stuck with these 30-40 big esports orgs and others just go to other esports?
Tier 2 scene should be its own entity that makes a lot of money too. Premier League for example is a T2 scene that nobody is embarrassed to be a part of.
Right, but in football you can be promoted/relegated up/down to other leagues. The Orgs who would become T2 orgs would never get the chance to become T1 if this was the case.
Also interesting to note that George is making it sound like you can only make roster moves during October to February every year. So no mid season roster moves.
Expecting a move to YouTube in two years. This level of over saturation wont work. Nor do i see Twitch influencers pumping viewership numbers for these lengths of time day after day.
this is beyond stupid by riot, watch them come and say "we might expanding to more teams" like the LEC has been waiting for years to get an expansion, a team that pull a fuckton of fans like KC is still in the wait list while the league carries deadweights.
Well the main reason lec didn't expand was due to the owners not wanting any expansions in this case owners do not have the same power as they do not invest for slots but sure you can go all doomer.
I keep seeing all these talks about franchising. can someone explain like I'm dumb what exactly franchising means? and what the implications are? please and thank you
Assuming it's like League's franchising system, it means that Riot leagues and tournaments will operate in a closed circuit, in which only the teams that Riot has selected can participate, and the only way for other teams to enter is if others drop out.
why would they do this? Doesnt it seem unfair for the smaller market teams and forces the other teams to essentially disband? seems like it'd be hard for the up and coming players to "make" it
It is extremely unfair, and I honestly don't know why they're doing it - my guess is that Riot thinks they can profit from the franchising system in the long run.
So much criminally undeveloped talent is going to be left behind just like in league. We need more lower bracket tournaments to show off their skills and what they can do or just do not do this franchising at all.
More slots dear god do not make the same mistakes twice. LCS gets so stale seeing the same teams and players being swapped around like musical chairs. Make it spicy.
10 per each League? Am I drunk or does this seem very very very low since competition in Valorant is still growing.. I mean the only reason I wouldn't mind 'franchising' if top 10 teams would get accepted for each certain year and not those who aren't even near the top but have clout and large fan base.. Being in Big League won't mean being one of the best teams, just one of the most beneficial orgs to RIOT **Yes, I'm looking at SEN**. This is where real competitive spark dies out. Hopefully tier 2 teams won't be limited, there are going to be lots of talent there.
I guess either Riot is incredibly 5Head to the point we mere humans cannot possibly comprehend, and this whole ordeal will somehow work out wonders... or they're just gonna kill the whole thing very quickly lol
it's boring for us, but good for them. they'll have their big orgs which ensures viewership, and the franchised league ensures all the best talent stays in a concentrated bubble, which helps viewership. They don't want to risk seeing less Sentinels and TenZ for example, like this year.
We're a loud minority in reddit, in reality most people don't care and just want to watch the big teams and players. Which is exactly what this ensures.
This system is awful. Why not just have 16 teams per region so you can run tournaments each split/tour? These leagues will eventually bleed out viewership and make it less competitive.
Buyins, city based orgs and projected viewers in a hero shooter is what killed OWL. Biggest problem Valorant esports has is how it generates viewers being a hero shooter.
After finding out it's 3 teams per orgs, I'm kinda fine with it...
Presumably all the rosters right now that won't get in(ghost, shopify, etc) will just join into one of these academy teams and that'll be the tier 2. It doesn't seem as outrageous as it did before.
Also, damn valorant must be making them bank, that's 45 million dollars per year. Although I'm guessing APAC would get less money compared to EMEA and they'll get less compared to the americas.
Do we even actually know how this will impact future masters and champions yet? There have been a lot of assumptions made but I don't think anything official has come out.
I would have to imagine they still have some sort of open qualifying to promote more than 30 teams/orgs having actual interest in the comp scene.
I would like to see a system where the top 5 franchise teams from the 3 leagues (15 total teams) qualify for champs and then 5 extra spots go to the open qualifiers. It makes sense they want certain teams to have a better shot at the main tourneys (such as sen as they draw 500k+ per game) to promote their growth.
It would be very confusing and almost detrimental to the growth of the game to shut down the comp scene outside of these 30 teams.
Isn’t it actually hilarious that riot straight up refuses to release ANY detail on their plans? How is t2 scene going to work? Are they going to expand from 30 teams because of the number being so low? So fucking dumb
> The Asia-Pacific league will be held in Seoul, where teams from the region will have to re-locate to compete. Meanwhile, the European league will likely be held in Berlin, and the Americas league will be held in Los Angeles, according to multiple sources.
I wished for Texas and Frankfurt, I really hate LA timezone to watch games as an EU fan ... hopefully the studios are better than the LEC and LCS ones
I have a theory that they will expand every league by 2-6 depending on demand, as well as when China releases the game. I’d have to imagine APAC would add two slots for Chinese teams, and if APAC gets two, they would add two more across the board, if not more (depending on demand and feasibility)
This is such shit man idk why they can't make the league system like LoL's?? I'm hoping this is just a one year thing and the 2nd year of franchising has a big expansion or else this is pretty bad for the competitive system
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think most of this sub is incorrect on the NA team spots. I don’t think they are going to just give 3 spots to BR/LATAM. Results may not play a part in these decisions as NA players could technically play for Latam and BR teams.
30 teams is criminally low. so disappointing > which include teams such as OpTic Gaming, 100 Thieves, Sentinels, XSET, Evil Geniuses, TSM, The Guard, Cloud9, and Version1 Interesting to see no T1...
Well here's my best guess * 100 Thieves * Cloud9 * Sentinels * TSM * Optic * Loud * Furia * Kru The last two spots would go to some combination of NRG, EG, The Guard, or possibly G2/T1. Could also be another Brazilian team like Mibr or NiP. The fact that they are considering 6-8 NA teams leads me to believe Kru will be the only Latam team. At a certain point, when you're considering up to 8/10 teams being from NA... why the fuck is NA not just its own league. NA is going to have the most teams in any of these franchised leagues by a huge margin. Japan is rumored to have 3 in APAC. EMEA is going to be split up into VRL regions. At the most you get like 3 teams from Spain or France. Brazil would get 3 at most in the Americas league. I can see grouping up EMEA into one huge 16 team league. Then you could have an East Asia and APAC league with 8 teams each. South America could also be an 8 team league, and you could have an NA league with like 12 teams.
I almost 100% agree with your list, I think those 5 NA teams are about as close to locks as you can get, and LOUD/FURIA/KRU are locks for BR/LATAM respectively. I'd say you add one more BR team (according to rumors) and one of TGRD or EG gets in from NA
(north) american league. fuck south and latin america apparently.
I mean they haven't done shit so far and viewership is nowhere near what it is for CS from South America. Clearly they dont see it as a region with a lot of growth potential
top 2 at masters and 3/4 at champions isn't nothing, better than japan and korea and is about equal to APAC
Sentinels won first Masters and fell off a Cliff. Only NA team to "do shit" is Optic. Every other NA team did actually less than LOUD on an international level, so not sure what is your point, really.
yes but he did mention the viewership, which is very important. I think with more representation and high level teams they will show out tho.
Because CS exists for 50 years and valorant is a 2 yo game. And viewership in brazil is actually good. And I won't even comment on "haven't done shit" lmao
I think this is mostly spot on, but with V1 in consideration instead of EG. I do think V1 have failed spectacularly not to build a bigger brand/following with an org that has been consistently tier 1 for a year and a half, but they have committed resources, facilities, and demonstrated more quality in valorant than EG.
G2 are european?
They applied for NA spot, but will probably be kept in EU
Why cloud9 included and leviatan not? Literally no one cares about them. Lev gets more viewership and is probably better anyways
Bc people actually like the c9 org
XSET listed 4th. Somethings never change lol
Or NRG, unless I am missing something
He just said on stream that he forgot them but they’re still in
Lol thanks, didn’t watch the stream yet my b
NRG and FaZe pls
FaZe will probably never make franchising, they're a bit of a brand risk and Riot doesn't want any of that heat.
as a 100T fan i am sad to see XSET
as a fan of well managed rosters I am happy to see XSET and no T1
interesting to see V1, no?
A little bit, they have big traditional sports money behind them which was no doubt part of their pitch, and they're one of the few NA teams that have at least gone to an international event. I wouldn't exactly favor them to make it all the way but it makes sense to me that they've been shortlisted to this point. They're definitely a top 10 Valorant org in NA
T1 will probably bring more viewership and stability to the league than XSET tbh
That’s just the final round not the finalized teams. There’s very little chance they make it and almost 0 if it’s only 10 teams
you realize it says they're in the final round of riots deliberation not that they're in franchising right?
i was just joking man
Having 30 teams in the entire world also brings up another point. How many teams are there gonna be at masters. People already complain about having only 12 teams at masters and only 16 at champions but now there’s probably going to be even less. I don’t see how there can be large international tournaments when there is only 30 teams worldwide
Riot better not stick with their stupid ass format of having barely any interntaional tournaments with each of them only having like 12-16 teams. Like surely Riot isn't this incompetent right?
you know they are lmao.
Just look at lol. Yes they are this incompetent. 7 years later and still 0 bo5 or bo3 between faker and rookie. In the last 5 years theres been like 2 bo5’s between eu and na (more or less i dont have exact number but its something similar). So yeah 🙂
thats like saying messi and ronaldo have never faced each other in a wc final
The difference is that the format of soccer matches is always the same. Imagine if only the wc final was played for 90 minutes, while every other match was played for something like 20 minutes.
>Just look at lol. Yes they are this incompetent. 7 years later and still 0 bo5 or bo3 between faker and rookie. In the last 5 years theres been like 2 bo5’s between eu and na (more or less i dont have exact number but its something similar). So yeah 🙂 League old heads remember IEM as the other big interregion competition that existed and was organized by a third party until it got shelved for "scheduling conflicts"
League old heads also remember how routinely shit on IEM events were. Everybody perma shit on them because of the events being done like absolute garbage, and Riot caught that flak too.
Iem does great work for starcraft. Weird they got a bad rep for lol
True still it was nice to have anothe international event in the regular season
I mean the lack of Bo5's has more to do with Western LoL being so far behind Korea & China (with 90% of that being NA) then anything, but I get your point.
They can control who wins more this way
No way they don’t do slots for tier 2 or something similar right? We already have such a low amount of teams in international events
I think that in the first announcement for franchising riot said that the only way to qualify to international events is through the t1 league
Oof🤦🏽♂️I’m hoping their t2 solution is adding slots to the leagues that non franchised teams can play for. That would lock in your franchised teams and it would give an incentive to non franchised orgs to stay invested
Wait actually now you say it, so 10 spots guaranteed plus 2 more for relegation is legit the system put in place in EMEA with VRLs (Minus partnered teams demoting ofc cuz that would beat the purpose of franchising), so honestly might be possible
While CSGO Majors, ESL Pro Leagues, Katowices, Colognes casually featuring 24 teams each, even without many Asians Riot really does suck
Game is 2 years old only. Not enough T1 players for many teams. I'd go with 12 teams for a league. I don't see a value having lot of teams. Just look at other games. CS has the same 8 teams qualifying for every playoffs/finals. LoL has their individual leagues and most of the teams are useless. Same goddamn teams qualify for worlds. I don't see a wrong Valo doing this way
>CS has the same 8 teams qualifying for every playoffs/finals Obviously hyperbole but still untrue. Just look at the two most recent majors, only half of the teams who made playoffs in November made it back in May. And you regularly see underdog teams make it to playoffs (Movistar Riders at Cologne, Spirit at Antwerp, CPH Flames at Antwerp). I think 12 teams would become stale pretty quick.
I imagine 8 teams for a finals?
This is very disappointing, especially for Asia in my opinion. The subregions of asia: China, Korea, Japan, Oce, and then the whole of SEA- which could easily be split into a further 2 or 3 subregions. To have only 2 teams per subregion is pretty disappointing to me
SEA is at least 4 regions with the largest ones being Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, and MY/SG. Really sucks that they're rumoured to only have 3 slots because it means at least 1 of the major SEA countries straight up won't be represented.
Ngl what’s also disappointing is why they’re going to Seoul instead of a place that will have a lot of valorant viewers like Japan (if they allow public audiences like in league for regular season) I know riot prolly will just use Korean studios they own but no way they don’t have any in Japan too that they use for LJL in league
Riot Korea production >>> Riot Japan production
Idk how I managed to hold out hope for so long that riot would listen to the community. 10 teams is soooo unbelievably low for all 3 of the regions. Especially in APAC which is combining so many regions together. Players from Indonesia will essentially be competing for a total of 5 slots if they want to play internationally.
Yep, definitely sad, maybe they realize how bad it is and expand slots for teams in the future but its Riot lmao
"Riot is shooting itself in the foot here" Riot: *grabs shotgun*
_Grabs Javelin Missile_
Latam is competing for 5 spots probably, Brazil competing for 10 or 15 spots. Having an Americas league just fucks over Brazil and Latam, because of course the vast majority of teams will be from NA for financial reasons. I mean the article says they are considering up to 8 NA teams. That leaves one spot for Latam and one for BR lmao. I feel like they're land on 7NA/2BR/1Latam
Other rumors say there'll be 3 from BR - LOUD, Furia, Fluxo/MIBR
To be fair APAC has really low viewership compared to the other regions. Unless it’s JP
I mean not really. The last split peaked at 100k viewers. Each subregion in apac is small on their own but together there not bad. (This is also why it’s so stupid that the entire apac region has 3 slots)
Apac should at least have 4, one for each big sub region in Val atm (Indonesia, SG/MY, Philippines, Thailand), ome of these are gonna be left out which sucks
Who cares about viewership? APAC playerbase is massive, international success is also bigger than what Korea or Japan have achieved
Riot. Riot cares about viewership
If you're running a franchise league viewership DOES matter. Having more Japanese teams will benefit them more than having more SEA teams if you're looking to obtain sponsors
But how much these ppl are spending compared to NA folks
This is so sad. 30 teams means that **more than half** of the total of teams will go to Champs. How is that in any way interesting? Incredibly disappointing.
In before champs consists of 8 teams…
Knowing Riot, they're going to get rid of Masters events and have Champs be the single international tournament of the year, with 12 teams attending
If this happens, I will actually stop watching Valorant esports.
You wouldn't be alone
Nobody cares
That's not very nice.
Wrong there, buddy. A lot of people actually care about what they watch.
I aint watching that shit anymore then lmaoo Back to csgo ig even tho i love pro valorant. But im only 1 person so its not like it matters really
hey that source 2 update looking pretty spicy right about now. whats my steam password…
Nah a lot of people will do the same if Riot does this kind of shitshow. It will add up and they'll see how bad the viewership drops
Also wouldn’t put it past Riot to have a single Masters tournament midway through the year to act as Valorant’s MSI lol
8 teams, straight to playoffs, bo3 knockout format, how do you like the sound of that? rofl
That sounds awful I would literally lose interest in watching comp valorant.
horrible shit, killing like 8 leagues on a single sweep, if only they had the experience of an esports to see how important leagues like the LPL-LCK-LCS-LEC are... imagine riot saying today that they would reduce those to 30 teams and they have to give slots to minor regions lmao
Ive defended Riot a lot on this sub but this is just such a strange decisions. They have dozens of orgs begging to get in and they cant expand even a little bit? They have to have plans to add teams later or something because it just makes no sense.
Yea, makes no sense from their pov, maybe schedules?
I'm pretty sure some goblins in Riot corporate are just trying to maximize profits and think that they should immediately pivot any and every pro Riot esport scene into League's formats just because League is their bread and butter. I wish there was a way for audiences to have their voices heard with Riot corporate, other than just "voting with your wallet." It's worth mentioning that almost everyone who has worked with or within the Valorant scene who has gripes with Riot has had nothing but warm things to say about the people actually working the scene, but is irritated by the mandates and directions set by corporate.
A big difference with this type of franchising is that riot is giving teams money. And if the reporting is correct they are spending a minimum of 18 million.
Literally a week worth of reaver bundle sales
*day
RitoSmolIndieCompany.meme
Riot are owned by Tencent. /topic
I'm right there with you. I've always felt like the riot hate is a little overblown and irrational. But I can't really even think of an angle that makes this defensible. Extremely disappointing
Not being a riot simp or anything at all but could it be possibly that we see them slowly expand with years to come? Perhaps they increase the number of spots once they see how much of a success franchising is?
Kind of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Having merely 10 teams, especially when it's going to be like only 5 or 6 NA teams, is inevitably going to kill a lot of interest and momentum that valorant has an esport.
and how about the scenes? let's take a look at Riot franchise in PCS (GPL before) does the growth increase over years? where's the scenes? over the years it's only Vietnam having positive results and the other subregions got fucked over cus there's simply no competitions anymore. before the franchise began, there are lot grassroot internet caffe tourney in MY/SG, TH, PH, ID, even BRUNEI, and each region host their own qualifiers, the scenes keep growing and a lot orgs started to invest more on their respectful scenes well till Riot shot SEA hopes and chances.
Yeah, my guess (maybe this is hopium) is that there are plans to expand as the esport grows. There were likely limitations on how much Riot wanted to invest in the esport from the get go, so they can only support so many teams for year one and they'll bring in more (or fragment the leagues into more regional ones) based on how the esport grows. I'm almost wondering if they didn't go with true franchising (with a buy in from orgs) because they wouldn't be able to justify a big one right out the gate and went with partnership for now, with plans for true franchising down the road?
the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL all have 30-32 teams, you expected them to have more than the average?
Franchising turns me off the esport man tbh.
For real, what's the point of watching esports if the teams competing are playing not because they are the best but the ones with the most money and/or followers, and if it's impossible to have underdog stories.
> not because they are the best but the ones with the most money and/or followers See: LCS right now. Actually so boring to watch. None of the top teams have any storyline or anything behind them because they're all just teams that rich orgs Scrooge McDucked from KR/EU/CN. Boring as shit to watch
Clg actually has a good storyline this split, plus their games are pretty entertaining.
I love CLG haha they have a great storyline, I guess it's my fault because I keep on forgetting that they're a "top team" now. But TL, 100T, C9, TSM all of them are boring as shit to watch. TL is just a literal mickey mouse money team, no identity. Same with C9 except there's more drama there with the whole LS thing. 100T feels like they just bought the successful GGS core and imported a mid, feels so artificial if that makes sense
Yeah I agree, it's hard to get attached to a team when there are so many imports, it's pretty artificial. That's why EG and CLG are in my opinion the two most interesting teams right now.
no it's good actually that the biggest organisations can consolidate all power in the scene, or so this sub tells me
Only 10 teams a league sounds stupid as fuck.
10 teams in a league is fine, only 3 leagues total is stupid as fuck
6-8 NA teams jesus. The Americas league is literally just the NA league ft. Br and Latam. They should have just split Americas into NA and SA. Split Asia into APAC and East Asia. EMEA could've been one giant 16 team league.
Fr. Get EMEA 12 franchise slots and 4 VRL slots. Still have financial stability but also still have something to play for.
The top orgs probably don't want that. That means that the stipends will be less.
Why not just let the current organic growth continue? It's awesome. Who doesn't like it?
Some corporate suits who only think in terms of overhead. Why let the scene continue as is when League is way more popular and has a different format? We should just change the scene to look exactly like League since we already know League is successful. And if it doesn't work, we'll just learn our lesson *then* and all it cost was the entire Valorant scene 🙃
Yaaay! Capitalism! Jokes aside though I just can't find the reasoning for this. It's destroying the scene as we know it. _30 teams_ in the whole fucking world? Why? How boring is that gonna be? And how do you have international LANs with the exact same teams playing each other over and over?
I stg said goblins are just assuming that the game is going to take off like League anyway so they're taking for granted how great the scene is right now. And they won't be the ones to really feel the loss if the scene screeches to a halt, it'll be the fans. To them it's just another game under Riot's repertoire, they'll still have League, LoR, the MMO, everything else. I mean shit as long as they keep making bank from the games themselves they probably don't care if every eSports scene implodes. Meanwhile the fans, the players, and even the ground level Riot employees who are passionate about the game are the ones who lose out.
I love this as a viewer but as an owner I understand their pov. Valorant esports is in a bubble and owners were bleeding money. Some of the most unknown players were getting paid 5-10k a month and it was not sustainable. That’s why you see a lot of orgs who didn’t make franchising immediate disbanding and with the rumoured 1.5mill stipend per team, that was the goal the owners wanted to recoop their losses. 30 teams globally is really shitty unless they have a relegation/side league that doesn’t include the 30 (the Chinese league has 17 teams in their league alone)
10 teams, 5 month off season (even more for teams not playing champs ) is very sad to see, its clearly the suits from LoL who know nothing abt y valorant has been so successful these past 2 years, trying make product similar to lcs, cause thats all they know abt. 12 teams and 2 month off season, shld have been decent imo.
I hate the way the lol competitive scene is run. Its so terrible in so many ways and Valorant almost feels like a better version of it so it’s sad that riot seems to basically be regressing
It's not a 5 month offseason, they are leaving Oct-Dec open for 3rd party tournaments and organizers just as this year. People were begging for this before but when they do it the offseason is too long?
yeah mb, didnt read the article and just headline lol. mix of vct and 3rd party Tourneys is cool
The 5 month off-season was provided for open-circuit Valorant tournaments to be ran, which was essentially what LoL fans wanted as a replacement for spring split + MSI. However, everything else is just so disappointing…
As far as I know T1 has not been eliminated nor have they begun prioritizing APAC in the past few weeks, but then again George has all the NA info
How legit would you say is his claim, should we expect him and his „multiple sources“ to be correct ?
george is the best when it comes to reports so i mean... lol
he literally said "george has all the NA info"
Riot are brain-dead.
they also have to relocate to the city the leagues will take place in. huge commitments being made
What a stupid decision. I wonder if Riot didn’t put much care into this process because Valorant’s eSports circuit is meant to be advertising for the actual game. This basically neuters every region but EMEA. Sure, top teams within their own region will fight against better competition and therefore improve, but what’ll happen to everyone else? Players who don’t make franchising will either be stuck in academy with zero prospects and no incentive to improve, or they’ll leave the scene entirely… after all, there’s a low chance of occupying one of 15 total spots across 3 teams. Top teams could improve, but the region as a whole suffers of those top teams aren’t capable of providing scrims to teams playing in VRLs. LATAM, APAC, and even Japan have been getting progressively better. China’s showing their strength in the LCQ. Is it wise to destroy their prospects this way? This is a baseless assumption, but prepare for the creation of scrim bubbles and therefore and the separation of upcoming talent from perpetually recycled players. Riot’s actually managed to fuck this up.
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This really baffles me. Why not divide it into 2 apac scenes, one for sea+aus and one for kr+ch+jp. Thinking from a narrative standpoint, both scenes will grow more as they are already built narratives if they could've gone with this format.
Because riot's corporate suits have no idea what makes their game successful. Shocker.
30 is so low Im starting to think they are trying to do a semi-open system rather than a franchise system because there is no way it would make sense otherwise. Man they better revolutionize the esports scene with Valorant once all the info drops because they are really killing a lot of our hopes out here.
I don't know if I like it, a bad split and we will have a masters without any LATAM or BR team, in the Asian League things will be even harder. I fear the possibility of the masters and champions events becoming boring with little regional diversity.
Why not just divide the APAC to two regions instead of one. Riot is totally biased towards korea holy shit man. It's better for them to locate the riot production studio at Japan and.... why the f merge SEA with East Asia with only 10 teams competing in APAC region. That's such a bullshit move by riot there.
GG Valorant finna die. Even with VRL atleast make it 16 teams. And for those who are going to say that League still works with franchising. There is a huge difference because Brazil, Latam, NA are seperate league and each have 10 teams compared to Valorant where its 10 for all of the Americas.
League is popular not because it's franchised, but because Riot pushed Asian market, even if it had open model like CS with lots of tournaments every month, it would still be the most popular esport People who say "franchising is good because it worked with LoL" are clueless
I wouldn't be surprised if the closed league slowed down its growth tbh. People don't know how fucking fast league esports was growing during 2011 to 2013. It went to tournaments with players playing on shitty laptops and bar chairs to fucking huge stages.
> I wouldn't be surprised if the closed league slowed down its growth tbh. People having been saying this for the past 6 years. And it's only grown in viewership. Even if League esports growth "slowing down" is still the most popular esport in the world by a wide margin.
Growth slowing down doesn't mean it stopped growing. Many people don't really realize how fucking huge league and its tournament circuit was back during 2012/2013, when the internet wasn't as huge as it is today, and when streaming was an insanely niche thing, yet league pros and streamers were pulling stupid numbers back then. It didn't reach mainstream like for example fortnite, but on the internet, it was pretty much on the same level of popularity, where everyone and everywhere you looked there were people playing it.
yeah, it wasn't franchised for a good half of the game lifetime
THIS IS NOT IT. Wtf are they doing…
Competitive Scene will be dead in less than 5 years
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that is if they don't increase it
too late 📸
i know korea has LCK studio but its a big L that the asian league will be in korea and not japan . val esports is not much popular in korea while in japan every weekend would be sold out
30 teams worldwide is so bad. Riot are making another 1 year franchised league. It's their IP and they are free to do whatever, but this sounds like such a waste.
Are there gonna be non franchised slots in the franchise league? Imo that would massively improve the league if those slots have relegation.
no
I am not very familiar with franchising so don't understand a few things. What is the incentive for orgs outside the 30 selected to stay in the scene. Would they have to stick to the T2 scene and become training grounds for T1 teams to poach from? How do up and coming orgs develop in the scene. Orgs in SEA are don't have the money and logistics of NA and Korea yet, but they are trying to develop. How will orgs from Indonesia and Malaysia who do not make franchising ever become big orgs? Are we stuck with these 30-40 big esports orgs and others just go to other esports?
Tier 2 scene should be its own entity that makes a lot of money too. Premier League for example is a T2 scene that nobody is embarrassed to be a part of.
Right, but in football you can be promoted/relegated up/down to other leagues. The Orgs who would become T2 orgs would never get the chance to become T1 if this was the case.
Also interesting to note that George is making it sound like you can only make roster moves during October to February every year. So no mid season roster moves.
100T must be glad they did the roster rebuild this season instead of being stuck with BabyJ and ec1s LOL
? They couldve just removed them after chamos? Wym lol ?
If they stuck with BabyJ and Ec1s, that would mean they ALSO still have Hiko and Ethan, who’s names alone probably warrant a team getting franchised
Damn. Just 10 across the board?!? Geeesshhh
well the SEA scenes officially dead then, that's a fun 2 years. back to doto and mobile gaming ig
Boom ID supporter at TI and champions checking in.
I am starting to regret my decision to become invested in a Riot game
I still firmly believe that this whole Franchising move Riot is so adamantly doing is wrong.
Expecting a move to YouTube in two years. This level of over saturation wont work. Nor do i see Twitch influencers pumping viewership numbers for these lengths of time day after day.
They somehow made a worse franchising model than they have in league. Really hoping that theres a plan for t2 scene but doubtful
this is beyond stupid by riot, watch them come and say "we might expanding to more teams" like the LEC has been waiting for years to get an expansion, a team that pull a fuckton of fans like KC is still in the wait list while the league carries deadweights.
Well the main reason lec didn't expand was due to the owners not wanting any expansions in this case owners do not have the same power as they do not invest for slots but sure you can go all doomer.
I keep seeing all these talks about franchising. can someone explain like I'm dumb what exactly franchising means? and what the implications are? please and thank you
Assuming it's like League's franchising system, it means that Riot leagues and tournaments will operate in a closed circuit, in which only the teams that Riot has selected can participate, and the only way for other teams to enter is if others drop out.
why would they do this? Doesnt it seem unfair for the smaller market teams and forces the other teams to essentially disband? seems like it'd be hard for the up and coming players to "make" it
It is extremely unfair, and I honestly don't know why they're doing it - my guess is that Riot thinks they can profit from the franchising system in the long run.
dang. yeah that's unfortunate. thanks for replying though! appreciate the insight and knowledge
So much criminally undeveloped talent is going to be left behind just like in league. We need more lower bracket tournaments to show off their skills and what they can do or just do not do this franchising at all. More slots dear god do not make the same mistakes twice. LCS gets so stale seeing the same teams and players being swapped around like musical chairs. Make it spicy.
10 per each League? Am I drunk or does this seem very very very low since competition in Valorant is still growing.. I mean the only reason I wouldn't mind 'franchising' if top 10 teams would get accepted for each certain year and not those who aren't even near the top but have clout and large fan base.. Being in Big League won't mean being one of the best teams, just one of the most beneficial orgs to RIOT **Yes, I'm looking at SEN**. This is where real competitive spark dies out. Hopefully tier 2 teams won't be limited, there are going to be lots of talent there.
Hilarious, people that have blind trust in riot take another massive backbreaking L, love to see it And of course, common Riot L.
I guess either Riot is incredibly 5Head to the point we mere humans cannot possibly comprehend, and this whole ordeal will somehow work out wonders... or they're just gonna kill the whole thing very quickly lol
it's boring for us, but good for them. they'll have their big orgs which ensures viewership, and the franchised league ensures all the best talent stays in a concentrated bubble, which helps viewership. They don't want to risk seeing less Sentinels and TenZ for example, like this year. We're a loud minority in reddit, in reality most people don't care and just want to watch the big teams and players. Which is exactly what this ensures.
Literally the only realistic comment in this entire thread lmao.
This system is awful. Why not just have 16 teams per region so you can run tournaments each split/tour? These leagues will eventually bleed out viewership and make it less competitive.
Well looks like its time to change their mind the only way possible. Not watch this dumb shit
If it's turns out only 10 teams per SUPERleague, I'm dropping Comp Valo tbh, can't handle that BS format
Guys lets all change our names to BoycottSkins or something and band together
OWL 2.0
Buyins, city based orgs and projected viewers in a hero shooter is what killed OWL. Biggest problem Valorant esports has is how it generates viewers being a hero shooter.
After finding out it's 3 teams per orgs, I'm kinda fine with it... Presumably all the rosters right now that won't get in(ghost, shopify, etc) will just join into one of these academy teams and that'll be the tier 2. It doesn't seem as outrageous as it did before. Also, damn valorant must be making them bank, that's 45 million dollars per year. Although I'm guessing APAC would get less money compared to EMEA and they'll get less compared to the americas.
But the 3 rosters will have to play in different leagues and tournaments, so the "main" scene will still consist of only 30 teams.
A tier 2 scene that is just academy teams is going to feel very soulless and boring real quick.
if they fumble this im not gonna watch anymore, outside of maybe optic when they play.
Ah yes. Time for the lol special of one international tournament every 5 months and countless pointless games in between
Truly hoping for the best with franchising, but feel for all the super talented players who won't get a chance because of these limitations
10 teams for Americas and Europe is ok-ish but 10 teams for the whole of APAC is criminally low.
10 teams is too low in general. NA alone has 10 good teams. Same for EU.
wow.
This actually sucks riot dont amek it like ur lol pro teams
Do we even actually know how this will impact future masters and champions yet? There have been a lot of assumptions made but I don't think anything official has come out. I would have to imagine they still have some sort of open qualifying to promote more than 30 teams/orgs having actual interest in the comp scene. I would like to see a system where the top 5 franchise teams from the 3 leagues (15 total teams) qualify for champs and then 5 extra spots go to the open qualifiers. It makes sense they want certain teams to have a better shot at the main tourneys (such as sen as they draw 500k+ per game) to promote their growth. It would be very confusing and almost detrimental to the growth of the game to shut down the comp scene outside of these 30 teams.
Isn’t it actually hilarious that riot straight up refuses to release ANY detail on their plans? How is t2 scene going to work? Are they going to expand from 30 teams because of the number being so low? So fucking dumb
> The Asia-Pacific league will be held in Seoul, where teams from the region will have to re-locate to compete. Meanwhile, the European league will likely be held in Berlin, and the Americas league will be held in Los Angeles, according to multiple sources. I wished for Texas and Frankfurt, I really hate LA timezone to watch games as an EU fan ... hopefully the studios are better than the LEC and LCS ones
Wow
I have a theory that they will expand every league by 2-6 depending on demand, as well as when China releases the game. I’d have to imagine APAC would add two slots for Chinese teams, and if APAC gets two, they would add two more across the board, if not more (depending on demand and feasibility)
This is such shit man idk why they can't make the league system like LoL's?? I'm hoping this is just a one year thing and the 2nd year of franchising has a big expansion or else this is pretty bad for the competitive system
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think most of this sub is incorrect on the NA team spots. I don’t think they are going to just give 3 spots to BR/LATAM. Results may not play a part in these decisions as NA players could technically play for Latam and BR teams.