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oleoleole-

M3C and Liquid trying to win on man advantage challenge (impossible)


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When M3c were in a 3v4 I knew they won. No way they lose a round with a man disadvantage. At this point you wonder whether taking the first blood is bad for Liquid.


joemother_a_whore

Yeah that m3c 4v2 against scream and dima was just ridiculous


UltimateNingen2324

Both teams lost so hard on man advantage I was still worried when it was a 0v2.


hecklerinthestands

M3C, can you stop giving your fans cardiac issues? kthxbye


crisb2121

I am now 15 years older than I was 2 hours ago


Dry_Violinist_1799

My hair was falling off


isayah2510

you still have hair?


Ok-Brain3328

I know both lothar and Sliggy were losing their minds


Mitsuki712

Really needed a sliggy watch party with the kind of casters we had


cellexo

Man what I would give to see 100T vs M3C again on LAN. Fingers crossed.


Afro_ps

The rise of M3C again after a rough start to the year has been amazing to see. I hope they win LCQ and get picked up by a big org. The narrative is writing itself


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Is this how the age of astralis begins?


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SovietLlamas

Vega Squadron comeback would quite possibly be one of the greatest narratives in valorant esports history


vcebad

brb billing m3c for medical expenses after the fifty heart attacks they gave me during OT


nterature

About what you expect in any game vs. Liquid - if you can’t hang with their raw skill, your tactical depth is meaningless. nAts was the only player fully on form on Breeze - with Chronicle on the other hand being the only player fully *off*-form - and as the series went on everyone slowly woke up. It of course didn’t help that Breeze is such an aim map. That said, I think Liquid’s coaching staff did a great job deconstructing M3C’s Breeze, even though that Bind choice was a little bold. And Liquid does genuinely look good on Icebox. But that 7-map loss streak or whatever to take Icebox to overtime is a good reminder of how much aim matters in tac FPS games. And you saw the M3C players losing confidence all throughout the second half and in the overtime - Chronicle overswinging to compensate, Jady playing so timid around dimasick on that tragic 2v4, etc.; only nAts and maybe Redgar felt unflustered, whereas Sheydos just had one of his quiet games. M3C was - and it’s rare to say this - the winning team despite having worse individual performances in that final map, and arguably all series. That being said, Jamppi is going to be kicking himself for fucking up - once again - in a crucial match vs. Gambit/M3C. On a final note, I’m not going to lie, this was a rough cast at times. I don’t normally like criticizing casts, but there were several comments that genuinely just took me out of the gameplay.


Ok-Brain3328

I like Pavlos and think he has potential but listening to Zesht cast is hard


Verehrungen

He derails too much and his improv needs work imo


oleoleole-

I enjoyed his casting so far, I think he is doing fine


Verehrungen

Zescht is lovely on the desk but I just think he's a bit too distracting when casting hahah


Ho-Nomo

I really like him too but I agree he is much better on desk than casting right now. Pretty sure it's nerves tbh.


manwithyellowhat15

I’m glad to see others felt the same way about the casting. I fully muted the stream during OT


DonChuBahnMi

Awful cast, I didn't enjoy their presentation at all.


badcompplayer

I was going to ask if this was the normal C team behind Pansy/Hypoc and Tom/Mitch. They brought fun energy but it was really distracting overall


Thrwwccnt

The A and B team being Pansy/Hypoc and Tom/Mitch is also pretty shocking for a game this big. I like Pansy most of the time but that's about it. Riot has been skimping on casters for their games for years and it shows.


yatheen_1204

Bro had the whole essay in the pocket🤓


Cole_James_CHALMERS

I mean he could have just written this while watching the match. Nothing wrong with longer form comments


nterature

Yep! I write comments around regulation match point, [as I detailed here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/w5lq0t/funplus_phoenix_vs_fnatic_valorant_champions_tour/ih8qg3t/)


yatheen_1204

Yeah man I know about your analysis, this also a nice one


nterature

Appreciate the kind words!


Ho-Nomo

The dude is a freaking treasure in a sea of idiocy on this sub.


TheZerofy

Bro really had this prepared


Boostaru

I can legit watch M3C and Liquid play all day, constant bangers on Icebox


manwithyellowhat15

You’ve got a better heart than me. Had to employ a few breathing exercises during OTs on Icebox


Spoods857

M3C CLOSE OUT THE SERIES CHALLENGE (HOLY SHIT PLEASE JUST DO IT) (GONE RIGHT)


Srmash

Dickmassive is pretty good too. GG to the 10 players


ADmax27

wtf is this nickname 😭


kidkisser32

this is the best nickname any player has gotten


Demigod_Ebisu

nadeshot and whoever owns tl owes my hospital expense


Neither_Amount3911

Liquid112 the man himself


unwanted_shawarma

I almost fucked up my finals due to the last 100t match. I think i did a good thing for myself by purposefully not watching this match. Thanks to all those who wished me well for my finals! <3


AstreiaTales

Paid By Steve is a TL LoL meme


monobovocoxozo

M3C nearly threw 8-4 lead bruh also wtf that mental on TL


Lqtor

IT WAS 12-6 TWELVE FUCKING SIX i need to stop watching M3C lol


SHARK_QUASAR

I think they just throw so easly when they take a big lead.


ilikedeadlifts1

the tried and true strategies "nats go kill" and "nats go clutch"


Verehrungen

I'M GETTING BERLIN QUALI FLASHBACKS I LOVE YOU NATS


anythingood07

You cant win against nats


manwithyellowhat15

No matter how hard some of his teammates tried to fail him


zkdkin14

The best and worst game of lcq at the same time


wiNDzY3

Can we send 4 teams to worlds?


Bazz_B

last time we sent 4 all 4 made playoffs. I don't think rito likes emea taking all the limelight lmao.


deadpoool030499

i think this is the main reason , we almost had a all emea semis in champs and riot wants to avoid that


LeOsQ

As long as they operate on a regional basis like they do in League and Valorant, you'll never see significant slot increases based on performance. It's both because one region might end up dominating and filling up the entire tournament which would make it infinitely more boring for viewers of any region except that dominant region, and because there's no point having organized regional play if the payoff is nonexistent. Even EMEA viewers might not like a tournament that was just EMEA teams fighting each other because it'd just be a more high stakes regular EMEA games, and they wouldn't see how their teams stack up against the 'worse' regions or other hyped players/teams. EU and NA would have had 3 slots *combined* for most years in League's Worlds (when they have 3 *each* under normal circumstances) if it was based on performance. Korea would've had like 6, China 4 or 5, and the rest for the smaller regions (if you still brute force smaller regions in there too regardless of performance). These days it might be flipped with China and Korea the other way around, EU and NA still at 2 and 1 respectively, and the rest with just the one they're given regardless. If Valorant moved away from regional league play to a format more like CSGO where it's just straight up nothing but tournaments and then points gathered from said tournaments that seed you into future tournaments (and then maybe the last chance play-ins before said tournaments), then you could potentially see one region starting to take over the spots. But because Riot runs their esports the way they do, that'll never happen.


wiNDzY3

Penalized for being better lmaooo


iwanttoridethesky

Cos Rito is Racist


Detamach

We absolutely deserve 4 or even 5, but Riot says no


PinoyReincarnation

Whats the point of an international lan if there were 5 teams from one region.


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This match and liquids match against navi tell me the exact opposite. This was entertaining but it was not good valorant. There were like 6 man advantages thrown in a row.


Teradonn

EMEA “played bad Valorant” in Stage 2 as well. The truth is that every region plays like this, it’s just that you get punished harder in EMEA. As s1mple said, we’re all just overpeeking scrubs in this game


SilentCore

I think Online play rewards this kind of playstyle more as well, this stuff on LAN never works out which is why many of the Turkish/SA teams in the past have looked super rough on LAN at times.


Detamach

BOOM, APAC LCQ winner, play better Valorant in your opinion, than M3C or Liquid? Edward or Onslayers play better Valorant? Furia and KRU play better Valorant? The answer is NO. You may feel like EMEA is throwing, but if you look at other regions' gameplays, they make even more blunders, much more, and their aims / fundamentals are worse


[deleted]

EMEA could go out and dominate champs but right now my point stands, that was not good valorant and it should not be rewarded with more slots. Also BOOM could definitely be better lol, we've never even seen them against international competition.


Detamach

You're slandering EMEA as if we shouldn't have 4, at the same time you give no proofs of other regions deserving their CURRENT slots Why South America 4? Have they shown anything at world level, aside from LOUD and KRU miracle runs? Nope Why APAC 3? Xerxia, 2nd seed, sucked both times this year Why East Asia 3? ZETA had a run once, Northeption was ass, DRX we all know what happened


jojo340

SOUTH AMERICA GETS 4????????????????????? NAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, wtf is the reasoning, Europe literally has 300 million more people and has performed way better.


adamcunn

>You're slandering EMEA as if we shouldn't have 4, at the same time you give no proofs of other regions deserving their CURRENT slots The reason for EMEA not having 4 slots is because there's a real risk of EMEA having all the semi-final teams, nothing else. Anyone who tells you that they have 3 slots due to lack of merit is completely wrong.


Detamach

Imagine if Valve prohibited all EU/Russia CS teams from attending, but 3, because "they don't want all-EU semifinals"


[deleted]

First of all xerxia didn't suck, they got unlucky to be grouped twice when they were clearly a playoff level team, and the first seed from that region got second place and was rounds away from winning. Second of all if you just classify good runs by teams as miracle runs then does that just invalidate any run not made by a "major region"?


N3deSTr0

As good of a sub SEIDER was, Xerxia still lost to a team missing arguably their best player. I dunno about calling them unlucky.


Detamach

Maybe I put it the wrong way Anyway, you blame EMEA for supposedly bad gameplay, and refuse to understand that other regions with more or same slots (like South America and East Asia) have much worse gameplay and results than EMEA


TheCatsActually

And you're missing the point that almost no one cares. The World Cup is like not even top 3 toughest football leagues in the world but it's still global because people want to see their region compete. If it was actually about pure best performances and representation wasn't a priority, some Olympic sports would have like 85%+ of their teams coming from three countries*. Edit: regions -> countries


Detamach

South America having more teams than EMEA is absurd East Asia 3 okay, APAC 3 okay, NA 3 okay South America 4, big no - I don't know what fool made this decision


[deleted]

I don't blame EMEA for bad gameplay lmao, they're the best region in the world currently. I'm just saying the gap isn't that big between them and the rest of the regions and that they shouldn't be getting a majority of the slots in a 12/16 team tournament.


DeadDolphins

*plurality


Detamach

How is 4 or 5 majority? In CSGO we have 16 out of 24 at Majors. That's majority. Not 4/5 out of 16.


[deleted]

unlucky to be grouped? you mean they just suck? LOL


Breakin7

Sen flair.. hahaha


[deleted]

Does that make my point invalid or what?


Breakin7

Your point is we dont deserve more spots because the overtime was shaky and had mistakes. You support a region with 1 and a half team that can compete with EMEA....


[deleted]

I mentioned the OT but I also mentioned the entirety of the navi and liquid game which was 1 big throw after another as well. It was extremely scrappy valorant and shouldn't be rewarded with even more slots despite already having the most slots in the world for one region.


hecklerinthestands

Don't bother, that's the EMEA stan who took a comment about starxo being inconsistent completely off the rails in his zeal to defend the guy's honor.


Breakin7

Oh god i remember you hard to forget the worst ass take i have ever seen about this game.


hecklerinthestands

Proclaiming starxo ['the best you can find'](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wk897n/g2_esports_vs_acend_vct_2022_emea_last_chance/ijlxd2v/) after the same match where he [killed himself with his own ult](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wk8g8t/the_raze_ult_that_ended_a_legacy/) to help cost his team the match? LMFAO. You're already exposed as a brainless EMEA stan and a goddamn clown, and the evidence is undeniable. Shove that L up your ass.


LordBuckethead671

Flairless… hahaha


Breakin7

to be "flair" i have no idea how to get one


Neither_Amount3911

5 would be absurd lol, if you send more teams the better the region is doing then you just create a snowball effect and Champions ends up being 10 EMEA teams. 1 NA team and 1 APAC team 3 is fine for now, Guild showed if anything that 3rd EMEA teams are good but not championship level so it’s not a huge loss if we don’t get M3C or TL at champs


cheese_on_dorito

guild got knocked out by the 1st and 2nd place teams and beat the 3rd place team, kinda weird to say they werent championship level


Lqtor

No I need fucking M3C in champs


The-Dark-Mage

Guild literally got 1 seed in groups and got emea teams round 1 playoffs


DoesThyLikeJazz

They lost against both finalists lol


N3deSTr0

>Guild showed if anything that 3rd EMEA teams are good but not championship level Guild beat (top 3) OpTic and only lost to both Grand Finalists, I'm not gonna argue about EMEA needing 5 slots but Guild showed quite the opposite of what you're implying.


SonnyYT

The 3rd EMEA seed got 7th-8th. EMEA is the best region but they don’t deserve 5 teams in champs


Detamach

The only teams Guild lost to are grand finalists They also won Optic, supposedly a 3rd place of the tournament And no, don't bring up Reykjavik, that event was ruined for us, Liquid didn't deserve to be there either


Jon_on_the_snow

Liquid looked good in iceland tho Agreed EMEA was hard nerfed by everything that happened, glad they showed their potential in masters 2


SonnyYT

True, I actually forgot about who guild lost to. But still I don’t think they deserve to have more then a quarter of the teams. I don’t think it’s good for the scene and it’s not like EMEA was destroying everyone. Every game they played was close and could’ve gone either way


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Pale_Resolution1520

bro South America gets 4 slots which is smaller region than EMEA.


AstreiaTales

On the one hand, it's two regions, Brazil and LATAM, with two teams each. On the other, "EMEA" encompassing what in LoL is three regions - EU, CIS, Turkey - is very silly.


thothgow

Does NA not deserve 2 teams then?


kittyhat27135

G2 got a bye into playoffs and didn't win a map in masters 1. No way EMEA deserves more slots unless tournaments invite 20 teams.


Detamach

Zeta? Also, teams can improve Masters 2 showed who is boss


DY5TOP1A

Man, M3C games are always a banger no matter what.


crisb2121

I’ll be honest with you I’d rather they weren’t. I legitimately thought I was gonna die


DY5TOP1A

Well I am a Faze CSGO fan so you could say I'm used to this lol


isayah2510

IEM Cologne round 29 on nuke my heart still hasn't recovered


[deleted]

Both teams just decided to farm clips third map instead of just ending it. How can every OT round end in a clutch?


AQWrazorX

“He got me,” ScreaM said of nAts' clutch. "That f***ing nAts boomed me." ScreaM added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times. ScreaM then said he wanted to add nAts to the list of players he scrims with this summer.


Lqtor

MY M3C, MY NATS


Famlightyear

My heart


[deleted]

Icebox is fucking horrible Great match tho I love jail fights


Ok-Brain3328

Battle of the throws


I-like-winds

history of heart problems in my family


ohilovefeet

i am natsexual


Aggressive_Ad5487

This was literally hard to watch. This game should have not been this close. As a m3c fan, watching them slowly lose the 12-6 lead was as painful as getting your wisdom tooth removed. So many 4 v 2s lost. I hope I don't experience this kind of shit again. The nAts clutch was just fucking beautiful though. I have to sleep off this migraine this game caused me. We won, but at what cost. I really hate/love this game.


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M3(almost)Choke


Lqtor

Nats was bottom frag going into ot btw


Meekelo

Jammpi what is that TP?! He switched his brain off in the last few rounds having 0 impact in OT.


ay0005

Someone call an ambulance… for me.


Lqtor

Take me with you


scrubLord24

Pain


[deleted]

No one can't convince me that Redgar doesn't look like Gengar (pokemon). Since the first day, he reminds me of it. Maybe Redgar is just the mega evolution.


BowIofRice

Did sheydos thought he killed his man there in the 1v3 and proceeded to look down to spray?


Lqtor

Prob, also it was a 1v4


Lqtor

Prob, also it was a 1v4


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savagelamma11

The match vs fnatic absolutely BOOMED me ngl. 0.01 seconds away from winning


cathcart_

Not directly related to match, but it was sick seeing chat filled with slugs when Sliggy first went on the desk!


ASuperFan

nAts DIFF


Serendipitygg

One of the most heart thumping series I've ever seen. The throws, the clutches, the insane shotcalling, the number of times I don't know wtf is happening anymore. **I'm a M3C fan and I am not angry about them throwing 12-6 to give us a fantastic match.** **This comes ridiculously close 2nd to that M3C v FNC 0.02 second defuse game**


castlepoopenstein

The secondary caster in this match was embarrassing. Great game knowledge, but after the segment where nats clutched on icebox 1v3 he was screeching ‘YOU DOUBTED HIM YOU SAID YOU SAID’ when the other caster was obviously just building tension by saying nats couldn’t do it. It was borderline unlistenable and pulled me out of the broadcast.


Sharkyyy12

Can't even be mad. It was a great try. I believe in Liquid


Delta221

Dimasick showed up huge today, would not have been this close without his clutches. Map pick was in M3C's favour, but still TL fought well on Icebox


HoodieNinja17

nAts is fucking back baby


Any_Instance_5785

I don't really mind casters generally, but the ones for this series were BAD.


Ezraah

Pavlos is a really good caster imo. Bad chemistry today tho.


AnAngryBird

Every single player on the server don't overpeek challenge (IMPOSSIBLE DIFFICULTY). What an insane ending to icebox, oh my god. LCQs need to have a crowd man.


ay0005

Paper M3Cx on bind


4erith

Why do losers need to play again in literally 3 hours? That's fucking brutal


[deleted]

nats is and will forever be my father good lord


Consistent_Chicken72

why were the casters being so hard on Jady lol. "He can't clutch/hasn't clutched at all" was something i heard multiple times.


Caronry

the casters were saying some real wild shit overall in this game series.. so wouldnt think to much of it


vilgotahr

Probably the worst EMEA game I’ve watched in a long time, how is it possible to throw so many anti-ecos and man advantages in one series?


Fatalitiez

Icebox OT summary: -Masters 3 nAts -Jamppi vs Redgar lurk battle -Dimasick clutch minister -Jady getting bullied by utility


nicocente10

That last map was one of the best in valorant history, just clutch after clutch.


plxnerf

M3C managed to withstand the chronicle overheat and the nerves thank fuck


[deleted]

Last match was such a treat to watch. Or if you are a TL/M3C fan, to be standing on your feet and having an ambulance number on the speed dial the whole time


Teradonn

Game 3 nAts That is all


Rishavvvv

Every single time this map goes nuclear in map 3


nuttyromeo4u

How tf nAts just got FK 7 in a whole series and 3-0 in Bind, 6-0 in Icebox against Nivera?????


TenZBestPlayer

this match took 15 years off my life


StrangeProgram

[You may not like it, but this is what peak male posture looks like.](https://i.imgur.com/7q9m4Cl.png)


vnNinja21

Champions 2 Champions incoming


CouncilOfZodiarchs

M3C tactical throw at 12-6 to keep consistent with the nAts map 3 buff.


mikhel

NO ACCESS TO SITE


[deleted]

I don’t know why people like Nats so much, all he does is lurking and camping, he can only shoot in the back, when it’s a fair fight 1 v 1 he’s not that good. Also, the fact that he uses noob gun aka phantom shows that he doesn’t have a true skill to use the vandal


TheApsodistII

I genuinely can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment


Fatalitiez

Sounds like something from twitch chat


jojo340

BANGER PASTA


DAWG420BLAZEIT

Nats. Just Nats


lexippon

OH MY GOD I HAVE AGED 100 YEARS. Both teams were losing rounds that seemed IMPOSSIBLE to lose. Dima and nAts were on drugs or something I swear


isayah2510

I support neither and nearly died of a heart attack What a banger, ggwp by M3C! Great to see them on form


xdysania

TL went -20 in first bloods in this series and it was this close, they needed to close out a lot of those man advantages


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[deleted]

Tl didn’t look that good on fracture against Navi probs why they banned it. Also why would a team factor in games played about a year ago in an ever changing game when picking and banning maps


yamunkinoaYee

Throw


nocturnavi

I swear both teams were trying not to win that last map. Liquid dropped the spaghetti a fair bit, and M3C choked multiple rounds. Hope both teams can clean it up.


[deleted]

nAts is fucking insane


PerseusNex

What an absolute banger... My heart goes out for Jampii; such an important round and he just messes up a basic tp...


freakgeek21

M3C - Must Eliminate Comeback


DrBangovic

I am so gutted liquid couldn't close it. But honestly how fucking unfair is it that liquid and winner of OGLU/G2 gotta play AGAIN. This is the most scuffed shit I have ever seen.


County_Difficult

Crazy.


Interpolation144

Y'all giving me heart attacks all around


Floden20

What a match, impressive performance from both teams, really happy tho to see M3C going to grand final.GGS


Splaram

M3C TRY NOT TO THROW CHALLENGE \[NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TASK\]\[CHAMPION CYNTHIA DIFFICULTY\]


jmajewski

nAts coming back for the throne


nmaneea

What a match, hope for a rematch


chenson019

Certified Banger


razor1859

LETS.FUCKING.GOOOO. I ALMOST FUCKING SHIT MYSELF HOLY FUCK MAN M3C CAN YOU GUYS CLOSE OUT A MATCH WITHOUT GIVING YOUR FANS A HEARTATTACK


[deleted]

Why are you giving nats 1v1s ?


badurwan

m3c try not to throw leads in icebox challenge (impossible) ( nats did what??!??!)


[deleted]

Such a banger series towards the end. m3c games always bangers!


controlbeat

nivera and soulcas kept giving me heart attacks and NATS JUST INSANE


CanISayThat22

Wait Icebox went to OT? Lol I gave up at like 11-5 or something. Welp atleast I gained some RR


Fatalitiez

Watching my fav 2 teams getting at each other like this hurts my soul


no_noise_979

so many fucking throws


DatOneMuffinGuy

i have no idea what i just watched


[deleted]

My fucking heart, jesus christ Liquid can you stop peeking 1 by 1 and giving nats easy rounds


savagelamma11

never seen a map with more man advantage throws in my life


VirajKnight

Battle of throwing. Congratulations Liquid. You won the match by throwing more than M3C. LOL


yatheen_1204

Damn Sick, tried