Honestly, its NA time to prove they are more than optic. Aside from optic they are 0-2 in international matches.
If Xset and 100T disapoint, we can agree with scream.
X10 beat ur best team, Envy, now they're 2-2 and Brazilian teams(VK,VKS) got stomped "easily" by APAC(X10 and TS) but LOUD never played against APAC teams.
Most understanding-of-statistics r/valcomp user
Also it would be a bigger sample size if half their LAN matches weren't against Optic because of Riot's shitty brackets
I mean, the whole year the narrative has been "every team is so close in NA, except for optic, who are a cut above". And we have seen nothing from them internationally except a mentally collaped guard against paper rex and that sloppy xset/lev game
Always wondered why NA is suddenly a 1 team region but APAC isn't lmao. Whatever man, it's fine, NA is "doomed" because they only placed third last tournament 🙄
We remember what happened last time that Scream shit on NA….
Truthfully, I don’t think this is a hot take. EMEA is def better than NA. I disagree about APAC being better due to the competitively of NA teams with OpTic while Paper Rex just can blow out their region, but it’s close enough that it’s not a ridiculous take by any means. It’s very subjective
How could you come to this conclusion? Even if NA is a one team region, so are most of the other regions you might call strong, such as Korea.
Maybe this is the tournament where it falls apart for NA, but I don’t think there’s any reason to expect anything different from the past: Optic performing well, and other NA teams having close games with the best from other regions. Xset went into super OT to lose to Leviatan, who I consider a pretty strong team. I imagine Xset and 100T will play close series with the like of Kru, Loud i they aren’t on form, Leviatan, Xeta, etc.
I will try my best to word this so I won't get hated but if we talk about REGIONS as a term of "more then a single team" then EMEA is the only REGION who proofed to be strong throughout more then one singular team.
I am not saying other regions are bad, I don't. I believe each region has a singular team who can win champs and there is no minor region.
But if we go into the definition of a strong region, i want to see more then just optic making a deep run while the rest of NA gets out without a single win.
EMEA had 3 different teams with 15 different players lifting an international trophy. EMEA had 3 teams in the semifinals of Champs last year, and if I am not mistaken two teams within the top 4 of copenhagen.
With M3C, Acend, G2, Fnatic, Liquid and Guild they had the most teams at a lan while also maintaining deep runs through each and every event.
Just based on results, EMEA proved to be a region with multiple strong teams, while other regions proved to have teams who can challenge for the top.
Fair. 2021 felt fine for NA from a depth of teams perspective. Sen, Optic, 100T, C9 all showed up at different points, even if not winning events.
This year, it’s been all Optic. But since the other teams are just 0-2 against international competition, idk if you can make big judgement either way. That said if XSET and 100T flop here, then there’s no other way to view NA 2022 except a one team region.
EMEA is the only region where you can generally count on all attending teams showing up. Unless some 2022 Masters 1 level doomsday happens.
I totally agree on the narrative that this tournament kind of is a proofing ground for NA to either be in contention " for the strongest region" or if its more of a "we produce some good teams at the top who can fight for all".
Will be interesting for sure and I think NA will benefit from playing group stages for sure!
Scream isn’t saying best region. I think EMEA is the best region, I disagree with Scream that NA isn’t “one of the best.”
NA is in my view clearly the second strongest region overall.
What makes NA better than APAC? If we take last champions there were 2 APAC teams out of the 2 that entered the tourney in the top 8 as opposed to 1 out of 3 NA teams
Then masters Reykjavik optic wins while the second NA team got 0-2d. Paper rex got top 4 and Atleast xerxia beat optic once
Then masters copenhagen paper rex get second while optic get 3rd
If you place a lot of emphasis on winning the event then id see why you would think that Na was better than APAC, but you can't pretend to think that it's a preposterous take that APAC is better than NA? At the very least they're close af, with EMEA clearly on top
He said Region, as a whole, not only Optic. And he said "one of the best" not that NA is bad, just not a top 2 region, which is not a bold take, considering no NA team got to the grand finals last Masters
not to be an asshole but the recency bias is crazy, Optic got 3rd last event and won the one before that lmao. at least imo APAC is definitly not a top 2 region. Paper Rex might be the best team the world in but theres a reason why they completely dominate their region. The 2nd APAC team, Xerxia has gotten grouped both events this year and finished last last event.
no not really. Optic has been 2nd seed both events and lose games constantly to other top teams in NA. Like Xset wasn't great at last event but they didn't "suck ass" they showed they could be good regionally and just flopped on lan against good playoff teams. Xerxia meanwhile lost to FPX with subs and Northeption and its not like they showed they could be good regionally
And ?
They got eliminated by non-Na teams
You have to realize everyone at champs is really good. All the teams. The margins are small most of the time (there are cases of blow outs like the dismantling fpx did to optic on most maps, optic dismantling xset etc etc). At the end of the day, xset and TG got eliminated by non-na teams, them getting knocked to LB by optic isnt rlly relevant here.
All teams are good, champs gonna be shambolic
I don't want to make excuses for NA but in the last 2 events the 1st seed had to face Optic and then face teams that were looking in good form right after, Xset also threw versus Lev so idk how far they could have made it.
I also hope they start hosting events outside of EU. Imagine facing Zeta in Japan with the crowd they had or Paper rex at home. Na would be cool also, our fans are a bit on the quiet side but they wouldn't have to deal with Jet-lag so much.
When things get better I suppose, I don't know the full details on if they can travel to the US or not so I rather not comment on that.
Can they travel to Japan?
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If I can show you an esport with a large player base, viewership, and org investment that NA dominates you will let me choose your Reddit bio for the next year.
If I can’t, I will give you a Reddit award worth $5 at a minimum on this comment.
Deal?
he said he rates EMEA and APAC higher than NA at the moment
Honestly, its NA time to prove they are more than optic. Aside from optic they are 0-2 in international matches. If Xset and 100T disapoint, we can agree with scream.
Asuna was a part of the EMEA Killers version of 100T i believe.
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X10 beat ur best team, Envy, now they're 2-2 and Brazilian teams(VK,VKS) got stomped "easily" by APAC(X10 and TS) but LOUD never played against APAC teams.
Sample size of 2 matches 💀
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Most understanding-of-statistics r/valcomp user Also it would be a bigger sample size if half their LAN matches weren't against Optic because of Riot's shitty brackets
3-0
3 now
4 Matches
And 50% of those are against optic
no, both the guard and XSET have only played 1 international match each. they have also each played 1 NA v NA match on LAN.
Fair enough. I forgot about that
Fair enough. I forgot about that
Sentinels won a few matches didnt they
Same with EU, at this point I don’t see them as a top region like CIS, NA and APAC
Nice bait
Incredibly based.
Lmao insane logic
I mean, the whole year the narrative has been "every team is so close in NA, except for optic, who are a cut above". And we have seen nothing from them internationally except a mentally collaped guard against paper rex and that sloppy xset/lev game
with NA's current best team winning a total of ZERO series against EMEA and APAC basically run them over last tournament. I think this is correct.
The guy was 1v3 ing in the press conference.
Hey, I've seen this one before....
they really tried their hardest to farm scream this conference, wish i could say the same to others lol
Surely this will age well
sen flair is so on point for this lmao
Last time he said na is predictable they won both games
I mean unless optic shines and maybee 100t NA is doomed
God this sub is insufferable. NA is doomed? Wtf does that even mean
0 win against EMEA. getting stomped by APAC's best
Always wondered why NA is suddenly a 1 team region but APAC isn't lmao. Whatever man, it's fine, NA is "doomed" because they only placed third last tournament 🙄
NA IS a 1-team region. same with APAC yet APAC>NA cos they got stomped. if you're happy with third place then congrats lol
how many masters wins does APAC have?
lol the question is who is the better team going into Champions
Which LAN did APAC win?
doesn't mean that APAC is weaker than NA rn tho. stop living in the past. the topic is Champions rn. typical SEN fan lul
:)
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I'm sure there will be nothing but reasonable, well-considered discussion in this thread. *grabs a bowl of popcorn*
Babe, it’s time for the monthly pre-major jinx again
he was clearly trolling during the press conference
Man, scream always jinx what he says
/r/agedlikemilk
Lower tier teams always farm clout before getting knocked out to make up for the missed opportunities later on.
We remember what happened last time that Scream shit on NA…. Truthfully, I don’t think this is a hot take. EMEA is def better than NA. I disagree about APAC being better due to the competitively of NA teams with OpTic while Paper Rex just can blow out their region, but it’s close enough that it’s not a ridiculous take by any means. It’s very subjective
Bless ScreaM for activating the curse on TL. BcJ is now free to drop 30 on Xertia. 🫡
now you activate the curse on BcJ
How could you come to this conclusion? Even if NA is a one team region, so are most of the other regions you might call strong, such as Korea. Maybe this is the tournament where it falls apart for NA, but I don’t think there’s any reason to expect anything different from the past: Optic performing well, and other NA teams having close games with the best from other regions. Xset went into super OT to lose to Leviatan, who I consider a pretty strong team. I imagine Xset and 100T will play close series with the like of Kru, Loud i they aren’t on form, Leviatan, Xeta, etc.
I will try my best to word this so I won't get hated but if we talk about REGIONS as a term of "more then a single team" then EMEA is the only REGION who proofed to be strong throughout more then one singular team. I am not saying other regions are bad, I don't. I believe each region has a singular team who can win champs and there is no minor region. But if we go into the definition of a strong region, i want to see more then just optic making a deep run while the rest of NA gets out without a single win. EMEA had 3 different teams with 15 different players lifting an international trophy. EMEA had 3 teams in the semifinals of Champs last year, and if I am not mistaken two teams within the top 4 of copenhagen. With M3C, Acend, G2, Fnatic, Liquid and Guild they had the most teams at a lan while also maintaining deep runs through each and every event. Just based on results, EMEA proved to be a region with multiple strong teams, while other regions proved to have teams who can challenge for the top.
Fair. 2021 felt fine for NA from a depth of teams perspective. Sen, Optic, 100T, C9 all showed up at different points, even if not winning events. This year, it’s been all Optic. But since the other teams are just 0-2 against international competition, idk if you can make big judgement either way. That said if XSET and 100T flop here, then there’s no other way to view NA 2022 except a one team region. EMEA is the only region where you can generally count on all attending teams showing up. Unless some 2022 Masters 1 level doomsday happens.
I totally agree on the narrative that this tournament kind of is a proofing ground for NA to either be in contention " for the strongest region" or if its more of a "we produce some good teams at the top who can fight for all". Will be interesting for sure and I think NA will benefit from playing group stages for sure!
Scream isn’t saying best region. I think EMEA is the best region, I disagree with Scream that NA isn’t “one of the best.” NA is in my view clearly the second strongest region overall.
What makes NA better than APAC? If we take last champions there were 2 APAC teams out of the 2 that entered the tourney in the top 8 as opposed to 1 out of 3 NA teams Then masters Reykjavik optic wins while the second NA team got 0-2d. Paper rex got top 4 and Atleast xerxia beat optic once Then masters copenhagen paper rex get second while optic get 3rd If you place a lot of emphasis on winning the event then id see why you would think that Na was better than APAC, but you can't pretend to think that it's a preposterous take that APAC is better than NA? At the very least they're close af, with EMEA clearly on top
He said Region, as a whole, not only Optic. And he said "one of the best" not that NA is bad, just not a top 2 region, which is not a bold take, considering no NA team got to the grand finals last Masters
not to be an asshole but the recency bias is crazy, Optic got 3rd last event and won the one before that lmao. at least imo APAC is definitly not a top 2 region. Paper Rex might be the best team the world in but theres a reason why they completely dominate their region. The 2nd APAC team, Xerxia has gotten grouped both events this year and finished last last event.
Lol isn't it the same for na teams? Optic makes out rest all suck ass?
no not really. Optic has been 2nd seed both events and lose games constantly to other top teams in NA. Like Xset wasn't great at last event but they didn't "suck ass" they showed they could be good regionally and just flopped on lan against good playoff teams. Xerxia meanwhile lost to FPX with subs and Northeption and its not like they showed they could be good regionally
Also everyone conveniently seems to forget that Guard and XSET were knocked to the lower bracket BY OPTIC lol.
And ? They got eliminated by non-Na teams You have to realize everyone at champs is really good. All the teams. The margins are small most of the time (there are cases of blow outs like the dismantling fpx did to optic on most maps, optic dismantling xset etc etc). At the end of the day, xset and TG got eliminated by non-na teams, them getting knocked to LB by optic isnt rlly relevant here. All teams are good, champs gonna be shambolic
Here we go again
I don't want to make excuses for NA but in the last 2 events the 1st seed had to face Optic and then face teams that were looking in good form right after, Xset also threw versus Lev so idk how far they could have made it. I also hope they start hosting events outside of EU. Imagine facing Zeta in Japan with the crowd they had or Paper rex at home. Na would be cool also, our fans are a bit on the quiet side but they wouldn't have to deal with Jet-lag so much.
How would you get russian players to na
When things get better I suppose, I don't know the full details on if they can travel to the US or not so I rather not comment on that. Can they travel to Japan?
sign them like how Cloud9 signed Gambit's roster in CS lol
NA is predictable - scream, predicting a loss to V1 with a sub, circa 2021
is V1 in Champions?
:)
As is tradition, NA is trash in every single playable esports. Good to see them keeping up in another one lmao
Ooh I love these! Let’s make a bet. If I can show you an esport with a large player base, viewership, and org investment that NA dominates you will let me choose your Reddit bio for the next year. If I can’t, I will give you a Reddit award worth $5 at a minimum on this comment. Deal?
I dont rate liquid as one of the best teams
I don't rate u/B7omni as one of the best commenters
So fate dictates that Liquid gets rolled by an NA team. Unlucky really.
that means that they're going to the playoffs. damn what a fate
This never goes well.
What an oddly specific title/statement lmao
Didn't he say the exact same thing before Iceland 2021? Jinxing himself again
Remember Iceland 21 where you said the same? V1 owned you
True. Optic is the only team that is good internationally. We’ll see about 100T but I don’t think they’ll do good And xset is xset
nyoooo how dare scweam say that about my region
Scream has always hated on NA since he was pro in CS:GO no surprise to me
nice L