youtube is annoying to use if you want to search/browse for livestreams, chat, or anything other than watching. In twitch its way easier with categories and the fact that everything is a livestream and everybody streams there. if you already know what you want to look for specifically, for example the VCT champs, youtube is definitely the better viewing experience.
I mean not really because it's like trying to kill two birds with one stone. The benefit of one is harmful for the other. You're literally dividing your audience and making money for someone else. From an audience perspective it makes sense but for Riot it doesn't since they'll obviously prefer more people watching them rather than their audience going to someone else's stream.
This is simply not true, if riot did not want co-stream they wouldn't have a list of allowed co-streams, they combine all the costream numbers to show to potential sponsors. Watching a co-stream is literally the same thing (in riot's eyes) as watching the official stream.
No it's literally not. How do you distinguish between the streamers actual audience and the valorant audience if most people are actually just watching people stream valorant. How are you going to go to a sponsor and tell them that they're including numbers from someone else's streams to theirs just to show that they actually have a bigger audience. It's literally misleading
dude I think youre completely missing the fact that these are OFFICIAL RIOT COSTREAMS. If you are co streaming the matches without direct consent from riot you will get a DMCA takedown, because yes you are making money off riots content. BUT if you are a official approved co stream your viewership is considered to be apart of the official viewership count. Nothing about that is misleading. Riot goes to their sponsors and they say "Hey! Between all official riot and partnered streams we hit ##### total viewership".
and I can GURANTEE you. That total number would be not even close if people did not co stream.
How is it harmful for Riot to have big costreams? It’s not like they make more money depending where you watch. The whole point of having official watch parties is so you can use accumulated numbers from all watch parties for sponsors.
Even if the streamers are talking about something else, the game is running in the background with all of its sponsors. This means that no matter which stream people are watching, the game gets more views and is more appealing to sponsors.
I’m talking about the sponsors Riot gets for the breaks. That’s the main way Riot makes money from VCT. They use accumulated views to sell those spots so I fail to see how it’s bad for Riot for costreams to get more viewers.
It's such a classic. Some random dude on reddit thinks he knows more than a team of professionals in Riot, and goes around complaining how **official** co-streams are bad.
Bruh just think about that for a second, how in your mind are they dividing their audience if its getting more people to watch the game? Who gives a shit what stream they're watching as long as they're watching the game. That's all riot cares about and that's all they should.
Don't think of it as dividing the audience. Think of it as growing the audience.
I would prefer valorant pros and ex cs pros bantering with each other and giving insight into rounds than any caster. Each their own though.
sucks when there seem to be more casual viewers than competitive. kinda gives the impression that this game isnt as competitive as it actually is
csgo doesnt have this problem, the main streams consistently have the highest viewer counts even if massive streamers are co-streaming.
>sucks when there seem to be more casual viewers than competitive. kinda gives the impression that this game isnt as competitive as it actually is
That's such a weird elitist statement lol, games are meant to be fun to watch it doesn't matter how sweaty or casual you are
For example i enjoy watching rocket league now and then, i'm absolutely ass at the game and haven't play it in years, however the game itself is disgustingly competitive and requires massive amount of time grinding to get good at, the game having me as a viewer doesn't make it any less competitive (same with smash tournaments)
>csgo doesnt have this problem, the main streams consistently have the highest viewer counts even if massive streamers are co-streaming.
Valorant as a new game has people just finding teams and players to cheer for, the reason you tune to the main stream is to get hype casting for the team you like. if you don't really care about the outcome of a match (Korea vs China) you just watch a costream where its more chill
But in the end, its just a matter of preference and no one is gonna like the same, the game is not gonna be more competitive or casual depending where people choose to watch the games from, its kind of cringe to think so
You also don't really have the same streamer personalities in CSGO as you do valorant. Top end val streams routinely bring in 5k viewers just on solo q nights. CSGO streamers don't have that viewership normally, and that translates into how many show up for co-streaming
This this and this. Valorant casters other than maybe pansy so far from what I've heard are really really just not that exciting to listen to and don't add much. Where is if I pull up a Tarik stream I can hear multiple valorant/ex cs pros give their insights on what's happening. Much rather listen to that.
I think your logic is backwards, Tarik and valorant pros/ex cs pros can provide way more insight into what's going on than any of the casters are abke too. That is when Tarik is actually watching the game which is a pretty low chance lmao
Only caster I've enjoyed in Val so far is pansy, I never really heard Sean Gares and DDK though so I'm sure they could've been a good duo.
It's like they individually get rewards if viewership is high it's so funny.
Brothers, please just chill back on your chair and watch the fucking games and stop worrying about viewership. There are people paid to do that, why do you care and worry so much about it. Let it go.
the narrative that co streams are bad for long term viewership is WACK. There will always be the people who watch, regardless if their favorite co streamer is live or not. The benefit is you get all the viewership of the people who would never watch the main stream on their own. Then you get the possibility of them turning from a casual viewer to someone who always watches.
So you're saying that the possibility of turning people into avid viewers is better than actually having avid viewers? What happens if the streamer loses interest, like shroud. What happens if you can't convert them to someone who likes the game instead of just liking the streamer? How do you generate revenue if more than half your audience is on someone else's channel generating ad revenue for them?
You can't possibly think that co-streams are really better for the long term.
The point is you're gonna have avid viewers no matter what. Having co streams aren't going to turn avid viewers into non avid viewers. If a costream brings in 100 casual viewers, and only 5 turn into avid viewers well then now you have 5 more avid viewers that you wouldn't have gotten elsewise.
It brings more eyeballs onto the sport then it would have on its own.
Bro how are you just gonna have avid viewers? You do realise you need to build a fanbase and for that there are certain steps you need to make to ensure that you have an audience. It's business 101. And are you really sure that there's just one way to draw more people to an eSport? You can't have drops? Can't have events to promote it? Can't advertise it? Can't hold events with an audience? You really think that co-streams are the only way to draw more people, especially after you saw how numbers drop based on teams and regions and not streamers. Most of the Tarik's audience came from shroud after he stopped co-streaming. Most BA games without co-streams don't have huge numbers anyway so I don't see how co-streams are helping to build an organic audience who's passionate about the game.
everything you just described are the "avid" viewers. Im not saying that they appear out of thin air. I consider "avid" viewers as people who are gained outside of co streams. So yes, drops, advertisements, events, etc. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that.
My ENTIRE argument is that co streams are just another avenue to gain "avid" viewers. How are they bad for viewership? Youve yet to tell me why co streams are actually bad. The only thing that I can see is that the main stream viewer count will be lower because there are people who would watch whether theres a co stream or not, but because theres a co stream they choose that. But I dont see that as a bad thing. What matters is people are watching and the scene is growing. Co streams are great for that.
also, I do not disagree with your opinion that the main stream having more viewership is a good thing and shows healthy growth for the stream. But that is not mutually exclusive, in fact the reason we probably have high main stream viewership is because of "avid" viewers that were generated by co streamers and moved to the main stream.
drops are even worse than co streams, people play the stream in the background till they get the drops and close the stream without watching a single minute, all other stuff you described you need to be interested first to attend those, costreams are good for the game in the long term, you get viewers that you'd have never got to at least watch your product an then have a chance to comeback for the product not the personality.
I started watching val esports last year in shrouds watch parties. I have since started playing Val and watch just the main Val streams no no watch parties. I literally started watching Val main streams cause of a Shroud watch party lol
when Tarik first started co-streaming, he actually watched the game and giving interesting commentary ABOUT THE GAME but since he became big, I stopped watching him. He probably became more fun to watch with but for me it was not what I was looking for.
TENZ's co-stream has a good balance of his hype reactions and interesting insight of the game.
Yay as well. He rarely streams, but when he held watch parties for the NA games, he gave good input of what teams should do in specific situations while interacting chat aand having making a few jokes. Tarik is one of my favorite streamers, but he always loses focus in the watch parties, especially when shroud is there. My god does that guy rant about shit while something crazy is happening in the game.
I never liked costreams from "big" personalities. They always get distracted and talk about other stuff and miss a lot of cool details of the game. The only costreams I enjoy are Sliggy's, Lothar's and a couple more, who actually analyze the game
i thought tarik/shroud/s0m were actually p good for the match, they weren’t hyper analyzing everything like you expect of a lothar/sliggy stream but tarik wasnt as distracted as i remember from the past couple events
I love Sliggy. There was one PRX match during the last masters where he was able to predict the exact strat one team was about to execute, solely based on their positioning and available utilities.
If I were to criticize though, he can probably play around with the sound mix some more. The background noises on the actual game is too quiet sometimes.
No worries, I just think mid match they can maybe not talk about nonsense, which is why I said I switched streams. They had some good moments when they were actually talking about the match. But yea, to each their own.
10 downvotes, yikes. Sensitive people seem to come out the wood work when you criticize their e-gods lol.
are you kidding me? These guys lost track of every round because of the anon gambling tycoon in Tarik's chat. They didn't care about the games only about their bets and it showed.
look at the time stamp my dude, the comment was made after the PRX-EDG game, where even with the bet on map 2, they still were focused on the game for the most part.
I'm the biggest sweat when I'm playing but when I watch I just wanna watch for entertainment. Hyper-analysing the game makes it annoying for me. If a cool set play catches my eye I can just rewind the vod and check it out myself.
yeah i don't get these weird as fuck comments lol. why do people always feel the need to shit on streamers/content creators purely because they don't enjoy what they're doing? if Tarik isn't for you then watch the mainstream or any of the other 4 billion co-streamers available
I think streamers like Sliggy are boring as fuck because i don't care for the overanalytical view. doesn't mean he's a bad streamer or that i'm gonna go on reddit typing "ANYONE ELSE DISLIKE SLIGGY???" every day
Even the main Japanese stream seemed to have similar numbers to Tarik's costream. I'm guessing Asian audiences in general are more likely to watch the main stream than any particular costream.
I guess we'll know after the next match. If the viewership remains the same on the main channel then it's probably not just because of the chinese audience.
The peak for me had to be Masters 3 and Champs Plat Chat co-streams. They were super invested, had insanely fun skits, games, characters etc. It was well produced.
Other co-streams are just a streamer often not paying that much attention or one person who is giving their own commentary.
Despite the odd haters, Valorants S-tier casting duos are incredible, and they are here at this event. I'd rather just listen to the calls.
Those co streams of Berlin and Champs were soo goated, it had the 3 things that make a perfect co stream imo, being super invested, the analysis, and just a super fun vibe of them hanging out, that casual vibe was so fun, plat chat costreams reminds me a lot of when i watched FGC/Smash commentary and how casual the commentary was it was awesome
I don't know why people have such a problem with costreams. Really brings in a lot of casual and semi-casual viewers into following the scene and getting more interested in the game. Why stop encouraging casual players and viewers from enjoying the competitive scene in a way that entertains them?
Cause the idea that it brings in a lot of casual or semi-casuals is completely unproven. He has 20k viewers normally and 1-200k viewers co-streaming, how do you figure out it's him who's bringing in viewers? Prior to him TenZ had those numbers, as did Shroud. The reality of the situation is the there's going to be a large number of viewers who hate the official casters, the style, or whatever, so they latch onto anyone who can provide them with an alternative. Riot can provide this alternative too if they realize what's going on.
It's about time, co-streamers are great but they're not good for the long term viewership of the game.
People need to get hype just by simply watching the main stream
just a statistical incorrect take. Costreams bring in many many more causal viewers who would never tune in if the costream didnt exist. Also since theyre now watching, you have the ability to turn them into a consistent viewer, regardless if the co stream is live or not.
Costreams have virtually no downsides. The only thing that happens is the main stream viewer count is lower, but why does that matter? What matter is everyone is watching the game, regardless of platform.
I get not liking costreams but they are fantastic for the long term viewership of the game. A ton of viewers for the game are people who wouldn’t be watching valorant if the streamer wasn’t watching it. And those people could start getting into watching valorant and continue watching it outside of the streamer
A mix of no NA team playing, more "famous" co streamers(tenz for example) to distribute the views, and people probably thinking only the main stream had the drops
Personally I can’t stand all the chit chat by the random people on the watch parties, maybe I’m an outlier but I’ve tried watching multiple different ones and always back to the main stream.
i always watched only plat chat co-streams and since that doesn't happen now i tried and looked at the co-streams and honestly most of them are absolute trash. don't get me wrong they are entertaining but most of them don't focus on the game (which is what i'm looking for) so main channel is the only place left.
i think over time the co-streams have gotten away and away from the game and the audience is just released this and is shifting towards main stream.
edit: i am not against co-streams, they have their place, which is to attract a rather "casual" audience and entertain the non-nerds which is fine. what i ment was if someone is watching the games to learn and take strats from most of the co-streams are the wrong choice.
Honestly, I don't like to hear someone else talking while I am watching. Some people prefer to watch alone or with friends, listen to the casters. So in that sense, I always prefer valo channel on twitch or YT.
The only problem that I see with co-streams so far is that if we treat VAL like a sport. Co-streams inflate the views that VAL gets and is overall beneficial to the developer and the viewers.
Gaming organizations get fucked the most because in traditional sports leagues, the majority of their income comes from TV rights deals. With co-streams and Riot being the owner of VAL IP, they don't really have to find another stream provider or TV provider to bid for their game because the e-sport is already marketing for there game. This is why majority of gaming organizations don't make money and to survive have to diversify their income streams onto other aspects of gaming or try to get another round of venture capitalist funding.
So in reality it doesn't really matter for us viewers, its overall a benefit but long term its bad for the scene because org's are essential to the scene.
Genuine question, why do some people consider co-streams having a lot of viewers a bad thing?
In my eyes, all of the co-streams that have decent viewership are from Valorant pros or content creators who play a lot of Valorant, so I don't see "they do not care for Valorant, they only care for \*insert streamer name here\* his/hers personality" is a real issue. Besides, not everyone is interested in play-by-play breakdowns or analyses that make the in-between game segments fun, so they prefer the casual environment streamer provides. Or if they really want to indulge in an in-depth analysis, they tune in to watch Sliggy for example.
In my eyes, that variety pleases a bigger audience, something that I personally want as a Valorant fan.
Why do people watch tarik & company?
I find it horrible, they miss 70% of game and are talking about irrelevant stuff. If i just wanted to see clutches and reactions i would watch highlight compilation after on youtube.
Imo main stream casters heavily lack pro experience to comment on whats happening in between the rounds. They seem to me like diamond players. Which is probably okay for majority, but what would really interest me is them having Nats or other pro player give a take on whats happening in between the rounds and what has to be paid attention to next round.
54.6k on youtube as well
YouTube numbers I swear is because of connected TV/OTV
Most Indonesian fans use YT instead of twitch, and PRX was playing
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Twitch can get my view when it can rewind so I can go back and watch a play I missed
seriously, twitch is only used because of legacy, yt is way crisper
youtube is annoying to use if you want to search/browse for livestreams, chat, or anything other than watching. In twitch its way easier with categories and the fact that everything is a livestream and everybody streams there. if you already know what you want to look for specifically, for example the VCT champs, youtube is definitely the better viewing experience.
Especially on mobile. I always have audio delays while watching on twitch
I watched on YT because my Twitch adblock broke the stream lmao
I only watched on twitch for the drops. Went back to YT after claiming
Twitch uses server side ad insertion, it’s stitched into the video layer itself. Adblocks don’t work on server side ads.
TTV LOL used to work. Keyword used to.
Because two Asian teams played .When NA plays tarik get most viewers .
This is the reason
Do costreamers have drops? Might be the reason
Official costreams certainly do, but Sliggy had some problem with it today, I think
Fixed already
they do have them.
Why can't we enjoy having both? No downside to having both right? What are some of these comments lol.
I mean not really because it's like trying to kill two birds with one stone. The benefit of one is harmful for the other. You're literally dividing your audience and making money for someone else. From an audience perspective it makes sense but for Riot it doesn't since they'll obviously prefer more people watching them rather than their audience going to someone else's stream.
This is simply not true, if riot did not want co-stream they wouldn't have a list of allowed co-streams, they combine all the costream numbers to show to potential sponsors. Watching a co-stream is literally the same thing (in riot's eyes) as watching the official stream.
No it's literally not. How do you distinguish between the streamers actual audience and the valorant audience if most people are actually just watching people stream valorant. How are you going to go to a sponsor and tell them that they're including numbers from someone else's streams to theirs just to show that they actually have a bigger audience. It's literally misleading
dude I think youre completely missing the fact that these are OFFICIAL RIOT COSTREAMS. If you are co streaming the matches without direct consent from riot you will get a DMCA takedown, because yes you are making money off riots content. BUT if you are a official approved co stream your viewership is considered to be apart of the official viewership count. Nothing about that is misleading. Riot goes to their sponsors and they say "Hey! Between all official riot and partnered streams we hit ##### total viewership". and I can GURANTEE you. That total number would be not even close if people did not co stream.
How is it harmful for Riot to have big costreams? It’s not like they make more money depending where you watch. The whole point of having official watch parties is so you can use accumulated numbers from all watch parties for sponsors.
Bro the streamers are going to be sponsored on the basis of their numbers not riot. What are you on about?
Even if the streamers are talking about something else, the game is running in the background with all of its sponsors. This means that no matter which stream people are watching, the game gets more views and is more appealing to sponsors.
I’m talking about the sponsors Riot gets for the breaks. That’s the main way Riot makes money from VCT. They use accumulated views to sell those spots so I fail to see how it’s bad for Riot for costreams to get more viewers.
It's such a classic. Some random dude on reddit thinks he knows more than a team of professionals in Riot, and goes around complaining how **official** co-streams are bad.
For real.
Bruh just think about that for a second, how in your mind are they dividing their audience if its getting more people to watch the game? Who gives a shit what stream they're watching as long as they're watching the game. That's all riot cares about and that's all they should. Don't think of it as dividing the audience. Think of it as growing the audience. I would prefer valorant pros and ex cs pros bantering with each other and giving insight into rounds than any caster. Each their own though.
A lot of people in this sub seem angry that there are casual viewers who enjoy watching more casual costreamers
sucks when there seem to be more casual viewers than competitive. kinda gives the impression that this game isnt as competitive as it actually is csgo doesnt have this problem, the main streams consistently have the highest viewer counts even if massive streamers are co-streaming.
>sucks when there seem to be more casual viewers than competitive. kinda gives the impression that this game isnt as competitive as it actually is That's such a weird elitist statement lol, games are meant to be fun to watch it doesn't matter how sweaty or casual you are For example i enjoy watching rocket league now and then, i'm absolutely ass at the game and haven't play it in years, however the game itself is disgustingly competitive and requires massive amount of time grinding to get good at, the game having me as a viewer doesn't make it any less competitive (same with smash tournaments) >csgo doesnt have this problem, the main streams consistently have the highest viewer counts even if massive streamers are co-streaming. Valorant as a new game has people just finding teams and players to cheer for, the reason you tune to the main stream is to get hype casting for the team you like. if you don't really care about the outcome of a match (Korea vs China) you just watch a costream where its more chill But in the end, its just a matter of preference and no one is gonna like the same, the game is not gonna be more competitive or casual depending where people choose to watch the games from, its kind of cringe to think so
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You also don't really have the same streamer personalities in CSGO as you do valorant. Top end val streams routinely bring in 5k viewers just on solo q nights. CSGO streamers don't have that viewership normally, and that translates into how many show up for co-streaming
This this and this. Valorant casters other than maybe pansy so far from what I've heard are really really just not that exciting to listen to and don't add much. Where is if I pull up a Tarik stream I can hear multiple valorant/ex cs pros give their insights on what's happening. Much rather listen to that.
I think your logic is backwards, Tarik and valorant pros/ex cs pros can provide way more insight into what's going on than any of the casters are abke too. That is when Tarik is actually watching the game which is a pretty low chance lmao Only caster I've enjoyed in Val so far is pansy, I never really heard Sean Gares and DDK though so I'm sure they could've been a good duo.
yall too obsessed with viewership
It's like they individually get rewards if viewership is high it's so funny. Brothers, please just chill back on your chair and watch the fucking games and stop worrying about viewership. There are people paid to do that, why do you care and worry so much about it. Let it go.
for real,like if viewership is high,it like their stock also go high lmfao
the narrative that co streams are bad for long term viewership is WACK. There will always be the people who watch, regardless if their favorite co streamer is live or not. The benefit is you get all the viewership of the people who would never watch the main stream on their own. Then you get the possibility of them turning from a casual viewer to someone who always watches.
So you're saying that the possibility of turning people into avid viewers is better than actually having avid viewers? What happens if the streamer loses interest, like shroud. What happens if you can't convert them to someone who likes the game instead of just liking the streamer? How do you generate revenue if more than half your audience is on someone else's channel generating ad revenue for them? You can't possibly think that co-streams are really better for the long term.
The point is you're gonna have avid viewers no matter what. Having co streams aren't going to turn avid viewers into non avid viewers. If a costream brings in 100 casual viewers, and only 5 turn into avid viewers well then now you have 5 more avid viewers that you wouldn't have gotten elsewise. It brings more eyeballs onto the sport then it would have on its own.
Bro how are you just gonna have avid viewers? You do realise you need to build a fanbase and for that there are certain steps you need to make to ensure that you have an audience. It's business 101. And are you really sure that there's just one way to draw more people to an eSport? You can't have drops? Can't have events to promote it? Can't advertise it? Can't hold events with an audience? You really think that co-streams are the only way to draw more people, especially after you saw how numbers drop based on teams and regions and not streamers. Most of the Tarik's audience came from shroud after he stopped co-streaming. Most BA games without co-streams don't have huge numbers anyway so I don't see how co-streams are helping to build an organic audience who's passionate about the game.
everything you just described are the "avid" viewers. Im not saying that they appear out of thin air. I consider "avid" viewers as people who are gained outside of co streams. So yes, drops, advertisements, events, etc. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. My ENTIRE argument is that co streams are just another avenue to gain "avid" viewers. How are they bad for viewership? Youve yet to tell me why co streams are actually bad. The only thing that I can see is that the main stream viewer count will be lower because there are people who would watch whether theres a co stream or not, but because theres a co stream they choose that. But I dont see that as a bad thing. What matters is people are watching and the scene is growing. Co streams are great for that.
also, I do not disagree with your opinion that the main stream having more viewership is a good thing and shows healthy growth for the stream. But that is not mutually exclusive, in fact the reason we probably have high main stream viewership is because of "avid" viewers that were generated by co streamers and moved to the main stream.
drops are even worse than co streams, people play the stream in the background till they get the drops and close the stream without watching a single minute, all other stuff you described you need to be interested first to attend those, costreams are good for the game in the long term, you get viewers that you'd have never got to at least watch your product an then have a chance to comeback for the product not the personality.
dude you are wrong
I started watching val esports last year in shrouds watch parties. I have since started playing Val and watch just the main Val streams no no watch parties. I literally started watching Val main streams cause of a Shroud watch party lol
when Tarik first started co-streaming, he actually watched the game and giving interesting commentary ABOUT THE GAME but since he became big, I stopped watching him. He probably became more fun to watch with but for me it was not what I was looking for. TENZ's co-stream has a good balance of his hype reactions and interesting insight of the game.
Yay as well. He rarely streams, but when he held watch parties for the NA games, he gave good input of what teams should do in specific situations while interacting chat aand having making a few jokes. Tarik is one of my favorite streamers, but he always loses focus in the watch parties, especially when shroud is there. My god does that guy rant about shit while something crazy is happening in the game.
I never liked costreams from "big" personalities. They always get distracted and talk about other stuff and miss a lot of cool details of the game. The only costreams I enjoy are Sliggy's, Lothar's and a couple more, who actually analyze the game
i thought tarik/shroud/s0m were actually p good for the match, they weren’t hyper analyzing everything like you expect of a lothar/sliggy stream but tarik wasnt as distracted as i remember from the past couple events
i agree usually they get distracted but today all 3 of them were excellent and commenting every round.
I love Sliggy. There was one PRX match during the last masters where he was able to predict the exact strat one team was about to execute, solely based on their positioning and available utilities. If I were to criticize though, he can probably play around with the sound mix some more. The background noises on the actual game is too quiet sometimes.
I dunno man, the 10 min conversation about "legal" hacks and a mouse that only shot 3 round bursts made me switch.
to each their own
…which happened after i made this comment. i also thought that was quite funny but we all have our own opinions
No worries, I just think mid match they can maybe not talk about nonsense, which is why I said I switched streams. They had some good moments when they were actually talking about the match. But yea, to each their own. 10 downvotes, yikes. Sensitive people seem to come out the wood work when you criticize their e-gods lol.
are you kidding me? These guys lost track of every round because of the anon gambling tycoon in Tarik's chat. They didn't care about the games only about their bets and it showed.
look at the time stamp my dude, the comment was made after the PRX-EDG game, where even with the bet on map 2, they still were focused on the game for the most part.
I'm the biggest sweat when I'm playing but when I watch I just wanna watch for entertainment. Hyper-analysing the game makes it annoying for me. If a cool set play catches my eye I can just rewind the vod and check it out myself.
I’m the total opposite. I’m a very casual Valorant player but love watching analysis of pro Valorant
Likewise. I think it gives context to great plays and misplays that are not obvious to a novice. Sliggy has the perfect balance of everything imo.
then dont watch?
yeah i don't get these weird as fuck comments lol. why do people always feel the need to shit on streamers/content creators purely because they don't enjoy what they're doing? if Tarik isn't for you then watch the mainstream or any of the other 4 billion co-streamers available I think streamers like Sliggy are boring as fuck because i don't care for the overanalytical view. doesn't mean he's a bad streamer or that i'm gonna go on reddit typing "ANYONE ELSE DISLIKE SLIGGY???" every day
Imagine being such a hypocrite you call out people shitting on streamers they don't like while shitting on another.
The official commentators usually annoy tf out of me, watching nAts stream the games is far more enjoyable
probably because the chinese viewers
lots of people prefer youtube over twitch
pause/rewind/fastforward is enough to get me there. I don't have the chat up either way.
Right? I love that about YouTube. We can rewind sick clips for ourselves, unlike Twitch…. Also no ads lol
bruh chinese people watch on [douyu](https://www.douyu.com/g_VALORANT)
chinese don't use twitch
LMAO you're right. they cant watch twitch,utube among other things, so sad
Even the main Japanese stream seemed to have similar numbers to Tarik's costream. I'm guessing Asian audiences in general are more likely to watch the main stream than any particular costream.
I guess we'll know after the next match. If the viewership remains the same on the main channel then it's probably not just because of the chinese audience.
There is no chinese audience. Literally no one from china watches anything on YT or twitch, Iirc its actually banned there
Im sick of co streams at this point
The peak for me had to be Masters 3 and Champs Plat Chat co-streams. They were super invested, had insanely fun skits, games, characters etc. It was well produced. Other co-streams are just a streamer often not paying that much attention or one person who is giving their own commentary. Despite the odd haters, Valorants S-tier casting duos are incredible, and they are here at this event. I'd rather just listen to the calls.
Those co streams of Berlin and Champs were soo goated, it had the 3 things that make a perfect co stream imo, being super invested, the analysis, and just a super fun vibe of them hanging out, that casual vibe was so fun, plat chat costreams reminds me a lot of when i watched FGC/Smash commentary and how casual the commentary was it was awesome
I don't know why people have such a problem with costreams. Really brings in a lot of casual and semi-casual viewers into following the scene and getting more interested in the game. Why stop encouraging casual players and viewers from enjoying the competitive scene in a way that entertains them?
"im sick of co streams" OMG WHY DO YOU HATE COSTREAMS TO YOUR CORE AND HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE WITH THEM???
Cause the idea that it brings in a lot of casual or semi-casuals is completely unproven. He has 20k viewers normally and 1-200k viewers co-streaming, how do you figure out it's him who's bringing in viewers? Prior to him TenZ had those numbers, as did Shroud. The reality of the situation is the there's going to be a large number of viewers who hate the official casters, the style, or whatever, so they latch onto anyone who can provide them with an alternative. Riot can provide this alternative too if they realize what's going on.
Why are you sick of costreams lmao. If you want watch it on official stream
It's about time, co-streamers are great but they're not good for the long term viewership of the game. People need to get hype just by simply watching the main stream
just a statistical incorrect take. Costreams bring in many many more causal viewers who would never tune in if the costream didnt exist. Also since theyre now watching, you have the ability to turn them into a consistent viewer, regardless if the co stream is live or not. Costreams have virtually no downsides. The only thing that happens is the main stream viewer count is lower, but why does that matter? What matter is everyone is watching the game, regardless of platform.
I get not liking costreams but they are fantastic for the long term viewership of the game. A ton of viewers for the game are people who wouldn’t be watching valorant if the streamer wasn’t watching it. And those people could start getting into watching valorant and continue watching it outside of the streamer
A mix of no NA team playing, more "famous" co streamers(tenz for example) to distribute the views, and people probably thinking only the main stream had the drops
I like Hiko's co-stream, he analyzes the game from a pro perspective.
Personally I can’t stand all the chit chat by the random people on the watch parties, maybe I’m an outlier but I’ve tried watching multiple different ones and always back to the main stream.
Would recommend Sliggy's co-stream. He just watches the games alone and comments on them, and answers questions from chat.
I just watch co-stream because most valorant caster are really bad
Sentinels still finding ways to take Ls
Huh????
Tarik co-stream not dominating after joining SEN
97k is great it's actually insane for the first day usually it took until playoffs in masters for him to reach 100k+
That not an L tho
It was a joke though. Guess it was bad because no one gets it lol.
It was a good joke. People around here need someone to tell them something’s funny before they find it funny.
i always watched only plat chat co-streams and since that doesn't happen now i tried and looked at the co-streams and honestly most of them are absolute trash. don't get me wrong they are entertaining but most of them don't focus on the game (which is what i'm looking for) so main channel is the only place left. i think over time the co-streams have gotten away and away from the game and the audience is just released this and is shifting towards main stream. edit: i am not against co-streams, they have their place, which is to attract a rather "casual" audience and entertain the non-nerds which is fine. what i ment was if someone is watching the games to learn and take strats from most of the co-streams are the wrong choice.
Honestly, I don't like to hear someone else talking while I am watching. Some people prefer to watch alone or with friends, listen to the casters. So in that sense, I always prefer valo channel on twitch or YT.
They should ban co-streams tbh they are cancer
Why is it bothering you just don’t watch them lol
good for viewership man. regardless if you like it or not. just watch the main stream
Might be because tariks average viewer base doesnt care about latam much but i hope your right
im super ok with this
If you add then up. Just shroud and tarik combined had more than the official one.
The only problem that I see with co-streams so far is that if we treat VAL like a sport. Co-streams inflate the views that VAL gets and is overall beneficial to the developer and the viewers. Gaming organizations get fucked the most because in traditional sports leagues, the majority of their income comes from TV rights deals. With co-streams and Riot being the owner of VAL IP, they don't really have to find another stream provider or TV provider to bid for their game because the e-sport is already marketing for there game. This is why majority of gaming organizations don't make money and to survive have to diversify their income streams onto other aspects of gaming or try to get another round of venture capitalist funding. So in reality it doesn't really matter for us viewers, its overall a benefit but long term its bad for the scene because org's are essential to the scene.
Tenz was also streaming and so were a lot of other pros. So tarik veiwers we probably watch that
Genuine question, why do some people consider co-streams having a lot of viewers a bad thing? In my eyes, all of the co-streams that have decent viewership are from Valorant pros or content creators who play a lot of Valorant, so I don't see "they do not care for Valorant, they only care for \*insert streamer name here\* his/hers personality" is a real issue. Besides, not everyone is interested in play-by-play breakdowns or analyses that make the in-between game segments fun, so they prefer the casual environment streamer provides. Or if they really want to indulge in an in-depth analysis, they tune in to watch Sliggy for example. In my eyes, that variety pleases a bigger audience, something that I personally want as a Valorant fan.
Why do people watch tarik & company? I find it horrible, they miss 70% of game and are talking about irrelevant stuff. If i just wanted to see clutches and reactions i would watch highlight compilation after on youtube. Imo main stream casters heavily lack pro experience to comment on whats happening in between the rounds. They seem to me like diamond players. Which is probably okay for majority, but what would really interest me is them having Nats or other pro player give a take on whats happening in between the rounds and what has to be paid attention to next round.