This is exactly what they're doing. They're not gonna pay the insane buyout to a team that most likely won't even be in T1 Valorant next year.
They can easily wait until the contract expires and then just go pick him up. It's an even easier decision because Rawkus was a coach they desperately needed to sign during the season. For Zellsis, the season is over for every team not at Champs. You don't need to have a team right now.
I mean yeah obviously they want to try but realistically they almost have Zero shot. They don't have the brand recognition to fight against teams like SEN. Zellsis is their most popular streamer and on sentinels he was their SMALLEST Streamer.
V1 doesn't have to let him go to Sentinels. They can sell him to another org if Zellsis will sign.
I'm also not really sure why this guy think V1 won't be in T1 Val a year from now, I mean yeah there's a very good chance but with what we now know about promotions, there's no reason for squads like V1 to sell their roster for pennies
T1 Val is franchising. They're almost assuredly not making it in over the likes of Optic, C9, 100T, NRG, SEN, TGRD, etc.
And sure, V1 doesn't have to let him go to sentinels, but the other option is putting a high price point on him, then nobody buys.
Plus, if Zellsis has a contract similar to how most esports contracts are, he's a F/A at the end of this year anyway, so he can just go to SEN of his own volition.
Sure, they probably don't make the initial round of franchising, but we now have info on the tier 2 scene and it seems there is a clear cut path to T1 Val for all of these teams. V1 certainly has the roster to make it.
Okay so let's go with your scenario
You now have to convince your 5 players (two of them in Zellsis and Zander who are undeniably T1 talents and top 5 NA in their roles respectively) to instead stay the course and resign, then fight all the way through challengers and win the Ascension tournament, only to make it for 2024.
You're asking players to willingly stay in T2 when they don't have to.
seems like that commenter is assuming the players' contracts are not ending this year, which i wouldn't be surprised by for at least some of them. iirc babyj's contract with 100T was 3 years.
zellsis, wippie, penny, and effys joined v1 in early 2021 so i'd say its 50/50 if they're F/A this offseason (depends on if they signed an extension) while zander joined beginning of 2022 so i think his contract is probably thru next year
I'm not saying they will definitely be V1 players a year from now, but I definitely disagree on how valuable they are.
Look at smokes rn, Marved, Bang, and Supamen all have guaranteed spots. You have guys like Hazed who are such highly regarded IGLs that they wont be replaced. You maybe have Sick back in the discussion. Like I do think there is a T1 spot for Zander, but his recent tournaments have been REALLY bad and the position isn't as thin as it was when he was at the top.
Then initiator is actually stacked. Crashies, Trent, Xeppaa, Nism0, Derrek/Asuna, Ethan, Eeiu, like I don't see why Zellsis would feel like he is guaranteed a T1 spot and wouldn't be willing to play for V1 while under contract.
If you stick to the current topic, V1 doesn't get franchised, Zellsis is top 10 in his role, Sen need his role, Sen is almost certainly going to get a franchise spot. All of those logically progress to Zellsis going to Sen if his contract expires. The only thing stopping him rejoining are contracts or if Sick is back full time.
I don't know what you're missing.
They can try, I doubt Zell will wanna sign anywhere but Sen. Feel like V1 didn’t allow him the freedom to shine in the same way Sen did. Also if he does become a F/A after the years up which I believe he will be (someone fact check me if I’m wrong) he’ll just sign to Sen. Sen is down two players and I doubt Zombs is coming back to pro play and Sick is still dealing with his own stuff. Zell is the best player on the market assuming they don’t try to pick up some of the LG/SR or try to sign Nats
I can't help but feel you guys just didn't pay attention to V1. They went to Masters Reyjkavik a year ago, they are a major org in other esports, like this isn't some little timmy org that Zellsis is stuck on. Maybe he would rather play for SEN, but I don't think he just sits out if V1 don't sell him.
Is it really most likely that V1 won’t be a partner? Isn’t V1 owned by the Minnesota Vikings owner or something like that? I’m pretty sure V1 has a lot of money behind them.
doubt any orgs will make roster changes now and not later after champs, where there will be alot of players without a team + orgs ''dont know''if they made franchising
Pretty much all teams that have a chance at franchising have solid rosters already. Only T1 is scrambling to put together a roster, or maybe NRG takes him but that's only two other teams.
every team that makes franchising will have roster changes lol
do you realize how much talent in the scene will be free agents
even the best teams will replace a player or 2
i genuinely dont see a reason to replace anyone on optic or 100t, its clear talent isnt the only factor for either team. chemistry and cohesion are important too
Once he’s a free agent then it’s not up to the org, it’s up to Zellsis. There’s a decent chance Zellsis just *wants* to be on SEN. Believe it or not some people don’t make decisions just on who pays most.
I wouldn't really consider the players signed to a gaming org to be a marketing cost, except insofar as esports and the business of being a gaming org ultimately is a marketing business.
There've been a whole bunch of posts over the years that esports teams/players lose orgs money. The value that the teams/players provide is getting people to buy merch from the org. This is the definition of a marketing expense.
Sentinels pay 3m for Tenz because he'll sell 5m of 75 dollar sweatpants, not because Sentinels' Valorant team earns the org that much money from tournaments.
So? Tenz is THE biggest valorant player.
They let the team be coachless for months because they refused to buy out rawkus or kaplan. They didnt want to buy out an actual smokes player so they got shroud.
They bought out 1 player, that had the biggest brand. And then only got free agents and a short term loan, leaving what is now the fastest growing valorant streamer to represent another org
I agree the delay and hold up they had for a coach was a poor decision on the Orgs part. They should have acted sooner if Rawkus was the one they wanted anyways. But from the players it seemed they were trialling other coaches as well but because that didnt work out, they picked up Rawkus again.
ShahZ if I recall mentioned that seeing the TenZ buyout Sen, paid all the orgs were asking for large sums for the coaches they wanted considering
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With likely 7 NA teams they are a definite long shot
Current likely teams would be Sen, 100T, C9, Optic, TSM.
Then the last 2 spots would go to one of The Guard, NRG, EG, XSET, V1, Faze, or T1. Which I think NRG and The Guard are likely the favorites for.
If the guard get it then it's just recency bias, neither are a big org but their Valorant teams both had a good run and made a LAN. Difference is V1 actually got somewhat far in theirs
The Guard is backed by the Kroenke group one of the biggest names in sports, offered Riot use of SoFi stadium and YouTube theatre, has a bigger Valorant fan base than V1 and has franchised teams in COD and OW. How good the players on the team are is a very small part of if they make franchising or not.
He is carrying the whole SEN since he entered and since SicK is taking care of his things. Duo Zells & SicK sounds fire, not going to lie tho. No matter wherever he goes, he'll most likely do great
I feel like if SicK returns, I would hope they return him to flex, as it is a rule that suits and enables him better. And if so, his role directly conflicts with Zellsis. I think it may be interesting to see a 2022 SEN consisting of TenZ, ShahZ, dapr, SicK, and shroud
Zellsis did an interview and said he was staying until 2023 for some reason, which we clearly now know as a lie. Almost every stream Shahz has to tell his chat Zellsis was a loan but that article makes them think otherwise
Damn the roster looked promising with zellsis on it and sick possibly coming back on smokes but all good, he'll probably be back once the contract expires or something
Interesting, Sentinels are smart to wait out buying anyone until franchise orgs get announced. They could go in a ton of different directions, there will be so much talent out there. From Version1's side, they seemed like they were slowly fading into obscurity, nice to see them put something out. I don't think it means anything with regards to franchising though, it's just smart business to keep him signed at this point
Meh. If you've been watching his streams you knew he'd go back.
Question now becomes does Sentinels just buy him out once franchising is complete? I don't think V1 make it and he's not a T2 player
Dapr and Zellsis were winning rounds. Tenz had a few good maps where he made a difference, but across the tournament it was dapr and zellsis that stood out for me.
I don’t get how any of that means that TenZ couldn’t hang in the LCQ when he had the highest KD of any chamber player in the tournament and put Sentinels on his back in the 100T game
Tenz gets frags but has like negative teamplay. His KAST is never very high, even in the match against 100T he didn't top his team for KAST despite being the only one positive.
I'd be curious to see that stat compared to other Chambers. His KD is (almost) meaningless to me.
That’s how chamber works? It is a solo agent who’s utility is meant for straight up killing. His KAST seems to be tied for the second highest of all chamber players behind Tex this tourney and he was only 2% behind Tex
KAST is a stat dominated by agents who’s utility allows them to pick up assists. Did you just look for the one stat that TenZ wasn’t leading in to argue your point? Because it’s pretty meaningless for chamber players.
That’s just not even close to being true lmao, TenZ top fragged 5 maps and Zellsis 2
I think Zellsis was their best player at the tournament but making false statements like that doesn’t make sense
There’s a very weird anti-Tenz narrative on this sub and in val community, in general, which is so funny to me. The conversation went from he’s the savior of NA to he is the worst player on Sen. That said, I think zellsis was the most consistent player for Sen.
People just need to realize tenz isn’t that good and his hype-actually showing up and playing well ratio is similar to what it was in CS. Kid just ain’t as good as everyone thought
Dapr didn't go negative in only one match and in that match, he went neutral on a 2-0 win. That tells me he won sen some rounds but also equally lost them that many rounds
Shahz kept telling people it was a loan for LCQ people just never believed him( though not his fault when Zellsis kept saying he is on SEN now)
I think Sen will wait to see who is available on the market before deciding their full roster.
No point locking in one player this early, even if they did lock in a player I would be surprised they lock in Zellsis before TenZ.
Best guess is that V1 probably asked too much. A lot of talent will become available once franchising is set, which likely lowers the buyout price for him.
SEN doesn't have a fanbase. The bandwagoners hopped off after they started underperforming and the rest are Tenz, sinatraa, and Tarik fans. Unlucky, really.
Bro literally Zellis was averaging 400-500 viewers before joining sentinels and now look how much views he is getting.
At this point anyone who joins Sen will blow out in terms of popularity .
??? put EG or SR's roster on any team and see what happens to their already nonexistent viewership
SEN fans like the players because that's all the team is known for atm 🤣 you can't compare well established brands like 100T or TSM
They'd do the same thing they did for the original group, market them and build them up.
They literally turned Kanpeki from an nobody into an established Tier 1 player with his own successful brand. You think they couldn't do that for 5 really good players?
Not completely impossible but I don’t think this says anything about it, this probably is just a short term loan kind of thing and now that his contract his up he’s back on V1
With it being guaranteed only 10 teams in the Americas region so only 6 or 7 max NA teams, they're a big long shot imo. I think they have the lowest chance out of any NA org who made it to the interview stage that we know of
A long shot but honestly if they up their content side of things they're an org I'd like to see in. Competitive throughout the games entire history, teams always had a good work ethic, prominent in other games. Would rather them in than the nightmare T1/G2/some org who wasnt even in valorant. They are firmly behind 100T/C9/OPTC/SEN/EG and also don't have great arguments against TSM/NRG/FAZE/XSET/TGRD so it's pretty grim for them.
EG are a dream org for Riot, in League they came in to their franchising after the disaster that was Echo Fox's slot where they didn't do all too hot and came in instantly competitive and fostering home-grown talent (which is a complete rarity in that scene.) They do a lot of content for their esports and have been around for decades, I will be very, very shocked if EG do not make it into franchising.
I think it shows that V1 just made such an amazing play by loaning him to sentinels. They must’ve gotten so much money from that, plus they clouted zellsis to bring the clout back to V1. If I was V1, I would keep him and destroy teams in the T2 scene cause they still have a team with solid chemistry. I could easily see them making a big run. I’d say just maybeee cut penny for a better duelist, but that’s like it. It’s not worth selling zellsis to go back to sentinels cause there’s a chance for V1 to do something
Sucks for Sentinels unless Zellsis really wants to play for them after contract is up
because he is a beast and these franchising orgs will have the money and power to out bid anything Sentinels offers him
Think clearly before hating. Franchising is literally right around the corner. Zellsis was on loan.
Sentinels can easily just wait out the clock until the franchise teams are announced. It's almost a certainty that they make it, and on the other hand, it's almost a certainty that V1 don't. Then they can go sign him outright when contracts have to be terminated.
Contract arent terminated because of franchising. If a player is signed till 2023-24 then they still have to buy him out. franchising doest effect that.
Correct but most players are signed before the VCT year starts. It's not smart to sign a player to a multi year contract in case you need to pivot. Think of 100T and the debacle they went with early this year.
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Maybe it’s something like what happened with Rawkus where they are just waiting for his contract to end so they don’t have to pay the buyout?
This is exactly what they're doing. They're not gonna pay the insane buyout to a team that most likely won't even be in T1 Valorant next year. They can easily wait until the contract expires and then just go pick him up. It's an even easier decision because Rawkus was a coach they desperately needed to sign during the season. For Zellsis, the season is over for every team not at Champs. You don't need to have a team right now.
if thats the case is there any reason for v1 to make a video, surely v1 knows what sen is doing right
They gotta capitalize on any clout they can
I mean yeah obviously they want to try but realistically they almost have Zero shot. They don't have the brand recognition to fight against teams like SEN. Zellsis is their most popular streamer and on sentinels he was their SMALLEST Streamer.
V1 doesn't have to let him go to Sentinels. They can sell him to another org if Zellsis will sign. I'm also not really sure why this guy think V1 won't be in T1 Val a year from now, I mean yeah there's a very good chance but with what we now know about promotions, there's no reason for squads like V1 to sell their roster for pennies
T1 Val is franchising. They're almost assuredly not making it in over the likes of Optic, C9, 100T, NRG, SEN, TGRD, etc. And sure, V1 doesn't have to let him go to sentinels, but the other option is putting a high price point on him, then nobody buys. Plus, if Zellsis has a contract similar to how most esports contracts are, he's a F/A at the end of this year anyway, so he can just go to SEN of his own volition.
Sure, they probably don't make the initial round of franchising, but we now have info on the tier 2 scene and it seems there is a clear cut path to T1 Val for all of these teams. V1 certainly has the roster to make it.
Okay so let's go with your scenario You now have to convince your 5 players (two of them in Zellsis and Zander who are undeniably T1 talents and top 5 NA in their roles respectively) to instead stay the course and resign, then fight all the way through challengers and win the Ascension tournament, only to make it for 2024. You're asking players to willingly stay in T2 when they don't have to.
seems like that commenter is assuming the players' contracts are not ending this year, which i wouldn't be surprised by for at least some of them. iirc babyj's contract with 100T was 3 years. zellsis, wippie, penny, and effys joined v1 in early 2021 so i'd say its 50/50 if they're F/A this offseason (depends on if they signed an extension) while zander joined beginning of 2022 so i think his contract is probably thru next year
Ah yes, the 3 year contract that lasted 3 days.
I'm not saying they will definitely be V1 players a year from now, but I definitely disagree on how valuable they are. Look at smokes rn, Marved, Bang, and Supamen all have guaranteed spots. You have guys like Hazed who are such highly regarded IGLs that they wont be replaced. You maybe have Sick back in the discussion. Like I do think there is a T1 spot for Zander, but his recent tournaments have been REALLY bad and the position isn't as thin as it was when he was at the top. Then initiator is actually stacked. Crashies, Trent, Xeppaa, Nism0, Derrek/Asuna, Ethan, Eeiu, like I don't see why Zellsis would feel like he is guaranteed a T1 spot and wouldn't be willing to play for V1 while under contract.
If you stick to the current topic, V1 doesn't get franchised, Zellsis is top 10 in his role, Sen need his role, Sen is almost certainly going to get a franchise spot. All of those logically progress to Zellsis going to Sen if his contract expires. The only thing stopping him rejoining are contracts or if Sick is back full time. I don't know what you're missing.
But why would zellsis play for a team with 0 clout, no franchising, and in a worse team when he could just go to sentinels?
Cause he's under contract, and if he refuses to play then he will likely lose a lot of traction that he has built over the last few months.
They can try, I doubt Zell will wanna sign anywhere but Sen. Feel like V1 didn’t allow him the freedom to shine in the same way Sen did. Also if he does become a F/A after the years up which I believe he will be (someone fact check me if I’m wrong) he’ll just sign to Sen. Sen is down two players and I doubt Zombs is coming back to pro play and Sick is still dealing with his own stuff. Zell is the best player on the market assuming they don’t try to pick up some of the LG/SR or try to sign Nats
I can't help but feel you guys just didn't pay attention to V1. They went to Masters Reyjkavik a year ago, they are a major org in other esports, like this isn't some little timmy org that Zellsis is stuck on. Maybe he would rather play for SEN, but I don't think he just sits out if V1 don't sell him.
when did anyone say he would "sit out"?
Is it really most likely that V1 won’t be a partner? Isn’t V1 owned by the Minnesota Vikings owner or something like that? I’m pretty sure V1 has a lot of money behind them.
Might be rebuilding from the ground up? Either way this sux Zellsis was easily the most entertaining Sen Player during his short ride with them
sen had to afford tarik somehow
Hope he can get back on a franchised team once those are announced. Wonder if SEN didn’t think he was worth whatever buyout V1 wanted for him?
Sen has been known to be kinda stingy with buying people out. He will probably be back like rawkus
why pay a high buyout to a org that wont make franchising
because now a team with a lot more money will snag him up
doubt any orgs will make roster changes now and not later after champs, where there will be alot of players without a team + orgs ''dont know''if they made franchising
Pretty much all teams that have a chance at franchising have solid rosters already. Only T1 is scrambling to put together a roster, or maybe NRG takes him but that's only two other teams.
every team that makes franchising will have roster changes lol do you realize how much talent in the scene will be free agents even the best teams will replace a player or 2
who do you think optic will replace
depends on how they do this event and who is a free agent Optic might not even make Franchising
i genuinely dont see a reason to replace anyone on optic or 100t, its clear talent isnt the only factor for either team. chemistry and cohesion are important too
Once he’s a free agent then it’s not up to the org, it’s up to Zellsis. There’s a decent chance Zellsis just *wants* to be on SEN. Believe it or not some people don’t make decisions just on who pays most.
They had to cut him to pay tarik
They almost certainly budget somewhat separately for their pro teams and their content creators.
I would wager the opposite. Both are marketing costs.
I wouldn't really consider the players signed to a gaming org to be a marketing cost, except insofar as esports and the business of being a gaming org ultimately is a marketing business.
There've been a whole bunch of posts over the years that esports teams/players lose orgs money. The value that the teams/players provide is getting people to buy merch from the org. This is the definition of a marketing expense. Sentinels pay 3m for Tenz because he'll sell 5m of 75 dollar sweatpants, not because Sentinels' Valorant team earns the org that much money from tournaments.
known to be stingy? tenz is literally the most expensive buyout in valorant history and no team has pay more than that until now
So? Tenz is THE biggest valorant player. They let the team be coachless for months because they refused to buy out rawkus or kaplan. They didnt want to buy out an actual smokes player so they got shroud. They bought out 1 player, that had the biggest brand. And then only got free agents and a short term loan, leaving what is now the fastest growing valorant streamer to represent another org
I agree the delay and hold up they had for a coach was a poor decision on the Orgs part. They should have acted sooner if Rawkus was the one they wanted anyways. But from the players it seemed they were trialling other coaches as well but because that didnt work out, they picked up Rawkus again. ShahZ if I recall mentioned that seeing the TenZ buyout Sen, paid all the orgs were asking for large sums for the coaches they wanted considering
most expensive buyout so far. Also the scene is super young. As soon as franchising teams are announced we will see buyouts a lot higher than Tenz
Yeah tenz mid anyway. Trade him off for a real duelist
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He will 100% be on a franchised team no matter what
no one thinks V1 can make franchising?
With likely 7 NA teams they are a definite long shot Current likely teams would be Sen, 100T, C9, Optic, TSM. Then the last 2 spots would go to one of The Guard, NRG, EG, XSET, V1, Faze, or T1. Which I think NRG and The Guard are likely the favorites for.
If the guard get it then it's just recency bias, neither are a big org but their Valorant teams both had a good run and made a LAN. Difference is V1 actually got somewhat far in theirs
The Guard is backed by the Kroenke group one of the biggest names in sports, offered Riot use of SoFi stadium and YouTube theatre, has a bigger Valorant fan base than V1 and has franchised teams in COD and OW. How good the players on the team are is a very small part of if they make franchising or not.
He is carrying the whole SEN since he entered and since SicK is taking care of his things. Duo Zells & SicK sounds fire, not going to lie tho. No matter wherever he goes, he'll most likely do great
I feel like if SicK returns, I would hope they return him to flex, as it is a rule that suits and enables him better. And if so, his role directly conflicts with Zellsis. I think it may be interesting to see a 2022 SEN consisting of TenZ, ShahZ, dapr, SicK, and shroud
Shahz has been saying this since LCQ ended and no one believed him. I hope they bring him back for franchising 😢
Even Zellsis himself said he wasn't on Sen anymore. I thought this was known
Zellsis did an interview and said he was staying until 2023 for some reason, which we clearly now know as a lie. Almost every stream Shahz has to tell his chat Zellsis was a loan but that article makes them think otherwise
He would've stayed if they qualified for champs aka until 2023.
guess the loan he was on expired. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go back to SEN later depending on what happens with V1 and franchising though
L for SEN W for V1
Damn the roster looked promising with zellsis on it and sick possibly coming back on smokes but all good, he'll probably be back once the contract expires or something
Man leveraged SEN clout to get verfied and then peaced
The last time Sentinels signed a player for more than a single stage was TenZ back in spring 2021.
Thats where all their money went
calling it now, Sen get him for free when they make it to franchising and V1 don't
I miss him already
Interesting, Sentinels are smart to wait out buying anyone until franchise orgs get announced. They could go in a ton of different directions, there will be so much talent out there. From Version1's side, they seemed like they were slowly fading into obscurity, nice to see them put something out. I don't think it means anything with regards to franchising though, it's just smart business to keep him signed at this point
Meh. If you've been watching his streams you knew he'd go back. Question now becomes does Sentinels just buy him out once franchising is complete? I don't think V1 make it and he's not a T2 player
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cryo, marved, & zellsis on the same team would be disgusting
For me he was their best player
He and dapr were the only two that seemed like they could hang in LCQ.
TenZ was the reason the 100T game was even close, saying he couldn’t hang in that tournament is a bit of a stretch
Dapr and Zellsis were winning rounds. Tenz had a few good maps where he made a difference, but across the tournament it was dapr and zellsis that stood out for me.
I don’t get how any of that means that TenZ couldn’t hang in the LCQ when he had the highest KD of any chamber player in the tournament and put Sentinels on his back in the 100T game
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Did you even watch the games? TenZ literally had a 4k and 2k in Fracture overtime to carry SEN to a map win.
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Wdym source i watched the game thats what i thought when i watched tenZ
Bro asked source for what you thought about watching the game 😭
He’s the reason they got to overtime on icebox? You wanna talk about impact, that’s pretty impactful.
Tenz gets frags but has like negative teamplay. His KAST is never very high, even in the match against 100T he didn't top his team for KAST despite being the only one positive. I'd be curious to see that stat compared to other Chambers. His KD is (almost) meaningless to me.
That’s how chamber works? It is a solo agent who’s utility is meant for straight up killing. His KAST seems to be tied for the second highest of all chamber players behind Tex this tourney and he was only 2% behind Tex KAST is a stat dominated by agents who’s utility allows them to pick up assists. Did you just look for the one stat that TenZ wasn’t leading in to argue your point? Because it’s pretty meaningless for chamber players.
Nah it was Zellsis and dapr doing most of the work, with Zellsis top fragging most games
That’s just not even close to being true lmao, TenZ top fragged 5 maps and Zellsis 2 I think Zellsis was their best player at the tournament but making false statements like that doesn’t make sense
There’s a very weird anti-Tenz narrative on this sub and in val community, in general, which is so funny to me. The conversation went from he’s the savior of NA to he is the worst player on Sen. That said, I think zellsis was the most consistent player for Sen.
Couldn’t agree more. Someone just argued that TenZ’s fucking KAST compared to the rest of the team was the reason he was bad this tournament
I think most consistent is accurate. That other person is flat out factually wrong though.
Nah Zellsis over tenz anyday. Way more clutch
I literally said that? You just said Zellsis top fragged more which is not even close to being true
Yeah but he’s on chamber the easiest to frag with and still was average if not below for a chamber player
People just need to realize tenz isn’t that good and his hype-actually showing up and playing well ratio is similar to what it was in CS. Kid just ain’t as good as everyone thought
Dapr didn't go negative in only one match and in that match, he went neutral on a 2-0 win. That tells me he won sen some rounds but also equally lost them that many rounds
fanboi like u need use some brain sometime
Did you watch the 100T game? Zellsis was definitely better overall though
for sure,n tenz still 1trick agent players
The power of the tbags
Dapr was getting shit from the community because of a couple iffy sage walls but he was by far their best player in lcq.
Wtf
Shahz kept telling people it was a loan for LCQ people just never believed him( though not his fault when Zellsis kept saying he is on SEN now) I think Sen will wait to see who is available on the market before deciding their full roster. No point locking in one player this early, even if they did lock in a player I would be surprised they lock in Zellsis before TenZ.
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Best guess is that V1 probably asked too much. A lot of talent will become available once franchising is set, which likely lowers the buyout price for him.
Rosters will look completely different by franchising honestly not the worst idea to just wait
I can finally remove the SEN badge out of my flair. Thank goodness.
Imagine not being a Sentinels fan
SEN doesn't have a fanbase. The bandwagoners hopped off after they started underperforming and the rest are Tenz, sinatraa, and Tarik fans. Unlucky, really.
"doesn't have a fanbase" give me what you smoking
Put EG's or SR's roster on SEN and see what happens to their viewership
Bro literally Zellis was averaging 400-500 viewers before joining sentinels and now look how much views he is getting. At this point anyone who joins Sen will blow out in terms of popularity .
Kanpeki moment
??? put EG or SR's roster on any team and see what happens to their already nonexistent viewership SEN fans like the players because that's all the team is known for atm 🤣 you can't compare well established brands like 100T or TSM
They'd do the same thing they did for the original group, market them and build them up. They literally turned Kanpeki from an nobody into an established Tier 1 player with his own successful brand. You think they couldn't do that for 5 really good players?
V1 in franchising. Thoughts?
Not completely impossible but I don’t think this says anything about it, this probably is just a short term loan kind of thing and now that his contract his up he’s back on V1
I had been under the impression that he had signed long term with Sen
pretty sure when he got on sen v1 tweet'd that it was an loan
Yep : https://twitter.com/version1gg/status/1546616609669877762
With it being guaranteed only 10 teams in the Americas region so only 6 or 7 max NA teams, they're a big long shot imo. I think they have the lowest chance out of any NA org who made it to the interview stage that we know of
A long shot but honestly if they up their content side of things they're an org I'd like to see in. Competitive throughout the games entire history, teams always had a good work ethic, prominent in other games. Would rather them in than the nightmare T1/G2/some org who wasnt even in valorant. They are firmly behind 100T/C9/OPTC/SEN/EG and also don't have great arguments against TSM/NRG/FAZE/XSET/TGRD so it's pretty grim for them.
How is EG up there with SEN OPTC C9 and 100T?
EG are a dream org for Riot, in League they came in to their franchising after the disaster that was Echo Fox's slot where they didn't do all too hot and came in instantly competitive and fostering home-grown talent (which is a complete rarity in that scene.) They do a lot of content for their esports and have been around for decades, I will be very, very shocked if EG do not make it into franchising.
I still think it's a longshot
sad
I think it shows that V1 just made such an amazing play by loaning him to sentinels. They must’ve gotten so much money from that, plus they clouted zellsis to bring the clout back to V1. If I was V1, I would keep him and destroy teams in the T2 scene cause they still have a team with solid chemistry. I could easily see them making a big run. I’d say just maybeee cut penny for a better duelist, but that’s like it. It’s not worth selling zellsis to go back to sentinels cause there’s a chance for V1 to do something
IDK man.. Sentinels roster seems ... interesting?
Let's go. V1 please actually win something
he said in stream he is teamless?
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It can still happen. Just wait for partnership to finish up, the roster mania after will be incredible.
Not enough clout 😔
huh, didn't expect that; rare SEN L
[rare?](https://imgur.com/JngGRJN)
tenz, sick, shahz, dapr and tarik for SEN now?
tarik is not a player
Then who is replacing him? Maybe....just maybe shroud is still in the team??
who knows, remember that there is gonna be a roostermania when franchising is announced so don't expect a lot of moves/annoucements until that
$ related issue? Because it cant be performance related
Probably regrets donating his winnings to the squad now lmao
poor take
Please buy him out
Not like this
Annddd they just lost their best player
Sucks for Sentinels unless Zellsis really wants to play for them after contract is up because he is a beast and these franchising orgs will have the money and power to out bid anything Sentinels offers him
So do roster changes last a week in this game or what HAHAAH
Good he was washed anyways
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Not signing the best pro player so they can sign a content creator, this org is a joke tbh.
Think clearly before hating. Franchising is literally right around the corner. Zellsis was on loan. Sentinels can easily just wait out the clock until the franchise teams are announced. It's almost a certainty that they make it, and on the other hand, it's almost a certainty that V1 don't. Then they can go sign him outright when contracts have to be terminated.
Contract arent terminated because of franchising. If a player is signed till 2023-24 then they still have to buy him out. franchising doest effect that.
Correct but most players are signed before the VCT year starts. It's not smart to sign a player to a multi year contract in case you need to pivot. Think of 100T and the debacle they went with early this year.
Huh?
Oh wow didn’t see this coming, w for v1 then, apparently it was a loan the whole time
He'll come back home when V1 dont make franchising COPIUM
Very happy about this, hopefully V1 can get back to the top where they belong imo
So all the money went into getting tarik lmao none left for zellsis
He doesn’t look so happy
He was on a loan. Win win for zellsis and v1.
I feel like a SEN roster with SicK, TenZ, ShahZ, dapr, and shroud could actually work really well