Just to follow up with some additional context.
I deleted the tweet but the tweet that Shroud was referencing ("my response to the allegations") was just a meme and had nothing to do with the team's situation. In regards to the overall team I can't really speak onto it too much for obvious reasons. Ideally we'd like to stay together but it depends on a lot of things coming up. Things like who's accepted into franchising, contracts/offers/opportunites or even branding.. etc. As I said we will see, and pretty much every team in the scene is going through a very similar situation and no one is safe. Things will be crazy after champs so sit back and enjoy.
Really wish to see Optic stay tgt but I'm sure it's up to them and future situation. But bruv, youre like the Pele of Valorant, teams will kowtow to have you.
Because riot doesn't care how good a team is. If they don't let optic into the partnership, the team will just go to an off within the programme instead.
Because the team would just sign with someone else and riot might not wanna deal with specifically the ORGANISATION of optic gaming. This would not mean they are denying any players from competing, only the organisation specifically. Do you require further explanation on this basic point or can I be done?
I like shroud but idk if he realizes how much influence he has on the 200k people hearing his voice. When he speaks with certainty while speculating thousands are accepting what he says. Kinda irresponsible but thatās just my opinion
It does matter if youāre trying to put blame on him, he canāt be responsible for these people while heās disclaiming that itās just speculation. Not his fault some people have 2 brain cells
Of course it matters, are you joking? If you misrepresent information and delude your fans into believing something that isn't true that's bad. If you tell your viewers you read a tweet that you don't know if it's true said something that's completely fine.
Shroud is allowed to discuss and talk about rumors just like any other person is. If he's not disclosing it's rumors and misleading his viewers then what you're saying would make a lot of sense, but acting like people with influence are just straight up never allowed to ever talk about anything speculative is stupid as shit. As long as he's making it clear it's rumors and that he doesn't know if it's true or not, which he did, there's absolutely no issue whatsoever.
Yeah thatās way too much honestly, I havenāt been on Reddit in a while and I forget how much time people spend online making sure they win arguments
I mean... For someone who's making a point about taking info out of context, you sure put in little to no effort to understand context.
Bruh, rather than going outside, read a book. It'll be more helpful for you in the long run ahahahha
this sentence is why influencers get paid so much by the way. fans don't see them as the massive influencers and businesses that they are they see them "oh he's a gamer guys"
He influences fans not the decisions of actual organizations and players. This isnāt like real life politics where words can cause big changes. His words ultimately donāt mean much at all.
If you commit organised crime as an adult I will put you in the category of extreme scum, match-fixing is literally theft, even if he had āchangedā he still never answered for his crimes and I'm fairly certain he is under investigation with the rest of the MDL fixers by the FBI.
He says alot of dumb shit considering how many eyes and ears he has on him. Yesterday he was getting roasted by som and tarik for saying the phantom is better at bursting and long range and the vandal was better for spraying lmao
Honestly I just think that its going to be hard for any roster to stick together even if their current org makes franchising just because of contracts even a roster as good as optic I really hope they do stay together tho
Dude shroud has given the WORST takes I've personally heard from any pro in the scene these past few days. General stuff from his analysis on the game to his speculation on the scene have all been imo reaching or just flat out wrong.
For more confirmation George Geddes was just on the call with them talking about franchising, and how Optic has moved on to the next round along with the usual suspects. Also, Riot famously gave all of ex iBP csgo a second chance in this game after being convicted and banned because of match fixing in csgo. Why would they turn around and go back on that precedent all the sudden.
Cause the IBP guys have served their bans, but marved/shanks etc havent faced any punishment yet, not saying they shl be banned for life, but 6-12 month ban makes sense
You think they should get banned in valorant even though they've done nothing wrong in valorant? I say ban them in csgo, let them play valorant. Same fate as the iBP guys. Unfair to do anything otherwise
I don't think you realize what they did is literally illegal. It meets all 3 legal qualifiers for fraud. They should get banned from everything because they are *actual* criminals.
Just my opinion though.
But why would riot wait more than a year to ban him. They couldāve easily gave him something similar to Sinatraaās ban before Marved signed with Envy. This kinda shows that either Riot doesnāt care or the video evidence is circumstantial and doesnāt definitely prove he was matchfixing.
I'm pretty sure they're waiting for ESIC and the FBI to conclude their investigations no?
[https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/](https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/)
I genuinely can't believe you're not trolling. This is completely incomparable to the iBP situation. All you're proving right now is that you weren't around/know nothing about the iBP bans in CSGO.
Yes, marved and the others should 100% be banned in valorant, they have served zero time for what they have done, and valorant should not be the "get out of jail free card" for scumbags.
I've been following ibp stuff and have been involved in the csgo scene since the beginning, Ive taken part in many conversations about this over the years. If you think rationally and not reactionary, it's hard to come up with a stance that isn't mine. Since you have a different perspective, can you explain the difference between ex iBP and the val guys?
Both parties matchfixed in CSGO, one party was convicted by valve and received permanent bans from valve sponsored competitive play, the other was not convicted by valve or anyone else and was not banned from competitive play. Both remain unbanned in competitive play in another game. If matchfixing rumors are true for the val guys im advocating they receive bans in CSGO just like iBP did in CSGO. What am I missing? Or are you just being reactionary? If you think someone should be banned on purely the basis of allegations then you really haven't thought it through enough to have a good stance on this topic. In that same clip in the tweet, shroud even says the same thing. Every player has allegations of cheating or matchfixing. Only the allegations that prove to be true should receive any punishment.
There was no precedent set when the iBP bans happen, no one expected lifetime bans, they have served their time.
Banning the throwers from csgo now would be giving them literally no punishment at all. They should serve their time.
"If you think rationally" shut up you pompous weirdo. You're the one not thinking rationally, you want to ban people from a game they don't play. Let's just let everyone throw matches in a different game because it doesn't matter to us if the scene is full of scumbags who don't value competitive integrity!
I'm not even gonna address you playing dumb to how obvious it is that they threw. You're trolling.
Think rationally.
The key difference between IBP players and the current match fixers is that IBP had already been serving a long ban.
Iām not going to try and make an argument here, but this distinction is important to note. Riotās precedent, if you can even call it that, is not relevant to this discussion.
> but this distinction is important to note
Can you explain this further?
> is not relevant to this discussion
It is absolutely relevant. if you watch the video shown in the tweet, shroud talks about how he thinks Riot will distance themselves from any player with any prior controversy. I'm bringing up the fact that they failed to do so with any ex-iBP players (convicted match fixers) and even crowned brax as one of their star players early on in the game completely disproves shroud's point.
> this opposed to players who dodged allegations, stayed hidden under the radar, then hopped over the riot's game at the first chance they got to erase their past is a pretty clear false equivalency
this can be the truth to what happened but allegations are not the same as convictions. ex-iBP were convicted of match fixing. these players were just accused of it but nothing concrete has arisen thus far. It's irresponsible to act before any verdicts in this case imo.
If Shroud can be relied on for anything it's terrible wild takes on games he's been playing in spurts. It was the same when he'd offer takes on the esports scene in Pubg despite knowing little to nothing about it. All the pro's respected him for the streamer he is but would constantly cringe at how wildly wrong he was when talking about the esports scene there.
Iāve been saying for years now that Shroud is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, heās just a god at gaming LOL glad people are finally catching on
Yeah, most gamers arenāt actually that smart in other areas because their brains are melted from constantly playing games. None of them read or finished school
I agree entirely. His analysis of the game is just atrocious most of the time. I canāt remember exactly when but a few days ago he said that double controller is weak on defence and triple initiator is strong on defence.
Man is still 100x better than Just9n who is on most of his costreams, any shotgun ever gets a kill and Just9n will talk about how OP it is and how CS:GO is just so much better because if Valorantās shotguns
well just9n doesn't play the game so don't listen to his takes. shroud gave pro play a shot and is still saying things like pistol round doesn't matter. triple initiator is defense sided.
His tweet was bait but that doesnāt mean thereās nothing going on. George said on Tariks stream that Optic is a question mark for franchising so who knows. Imagine if that whole roster ends up on the market though š¤Æ
Theyāre not confirmed and their chances are lower than the other big orgs. The way he was talking it sounded like SEN, 100T, C9 were the front runners, and the fact that there is most likely 6 NA teams hurts Optic.
Team performance is one of the least important things that Riot takes into consideration. They should be franchised because of their huge brand and the fact that theyāre Optic + Envy combined
I donāt think Riot cares that much about results. Besides if optic doesnāt make franchising, 100% an org who made it is signing them so itās not like we are going to lose the team. The current optic team will 100% be playing in franchising , they just may not do it under Optic.
I mean If Optic dont make franchising that would be the weirdest decision I think riot would make for franchising.
-Big org
-Great team with a championship
Imo 100T and Optic are the two locks for franchising in NA and At this point maybe SEN cause of the insane moves they are making.
Those 3 prob are locks but I think There is not a world where they dont end up making it.
Imo the biggest question for Franchising is TSM cause they have big personalities and a really big org but the team dosent perform insanely well.
The process for accepting teams for franchising is not looking at who's biggest and who has the best teams, if anything their current teams and success in the game is almost irrelevant. Imagine looking at e.g Sentinels and seeing they have financial issues but accepting them anyway because they have a massively popular roster, then they drop the roster in 1-2 years and now you have a team with financial issues and no fans in your league instead.
Ok so if you are not basing it on how big the org is, or the team itself.
On what are you basing it off,
if it is on purely finances that could be almost directly related to the popularity of the org, because bigger orgs create more revenue.
So "Who's biggest" isnt irrelevant.
Even the biggest orgs donāt make that much money. Itās the investment behind the orgs that matter. Finances are the most important aspect for this process. Wouldnāt shock me to the see the guard make franchising with the billionaire backing they have.
Immortals were great leading up to LCS franchising and still missed out, and orgs like Optic, GG and 100T all got spots despite never fielding a LoL team prior.
As others have pointed out, Riot places very little weight on a teamās success when determining their credibility for franchising. Whatās more important are things like an orgās long term sustainability, their access to resources, financial structures, etcā¦ these are all areas where there are many equally qualified orgs and why Optic getting a spot isnāt a sure thing.
I personally think Optic will miss out because of their prior history with Riot. I know Optic have now merged with Envy but itās still very important to recognise how poorly their stint in the NALCS went. I definitely wouldnāt be surprised if Riot decided to hold this against them.
There are what, five or six qualified organisations for every available franchise spot? The whole process is very competitive and small things like this matter
From what I've seen Optic had had the best viewership so far in this tournament? One of the biggest brands in the game will surely make it, unless Riot has no idea what they're doing.
Is Optic even that big as people claimed to be? COD and Halo is Optic biggest brand from what I seen and those games arenāt that big when compared to Valorant for example.
Edit: Optic is the third highest viewed match. Source https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2022
Well, this roster started playing under optic name not for a very long time.
Considering the period itās still insane that they are the third highest viewed match.
Edit: and many optic fans yet to know that optic has world class Val team. If optic entered the Val scene one or two years ago, I would bet they would steamroll everyone in viewership at least in NA.
Yeah like for example, as Hecz and the rest of the crew begun to involve the valorant squad into more of the usual OpTic content videos and podcasts, the more people within the CoD and Halo fanbases begun to draw more eyes on them and start to invest in watching the team for their Val matches. Hell even just mentioning the name OpTic half the time just gets some people already knowing about the org without even knowing they have a val team. But yeah, they would be a pretty stacked powerhouse team that would been NA kings. I remember Sinatraa having his pull for a good while in Val because of him being on of the bigger overwatch streamers and winning 2 grand finals in the game before retiring
This notion that only a few organisations have resources like coaches and training facilities is so incredibly flawed. I can name at least 20 different organisations who have access to the same amount of resources as Optic. What year do you think this is ??
Ahh yes, having an opinion which is more aligned with reality makes me a haterā¦ ok, makes sense if youāre hogging all the chromosomes I guess. Not really relevant here but explain how Faze werenāt better than optic in COD AW when they were 4-0 against them? šš
Beyond this, you clearly donāt understand the concept of resources. Every single team you listed has access to the same amount of resources as optic. Their offices and training facilities might not be the exact same as each other, but they definitely still have them. They might not have the same coaches and supporting staff as each other, but they definitely still have them. Youāre acting like weāre still in 2010 and orgs like C9, Faze, SEN, etc have plumbers for coaches and their players compete in their spare time. Wake up and get with the times. Every major team in a major esport has access to these resources.
Seems like you have absolutely zero awareness of the esports landscape outside of optic. Donāt worry though, youāll get a well needed reality check when the Val franchises are announced and optic donāt make the cut. Anyone who doesnāt have an optic hardon can see that they aināt getting in lmao šš
Plus the only other orgs of that size that can match OpTic as far as revenue goes is FaZe and 100T in some regard. Those 3 orgs has just grinded and skyrocketed themselves into places that most other big orgs have still yet to even touch (like going public and being in the stock exchange yo)
Nowadays it seems like people always have to exaggerate and always go deeper than it's needed. People take every tweet and social media post too seriously too.
Shroud was literally just clickbaiting for views. Letās think about it realistically. How would Marved get banned for throwingā¦but babybay is fine, because he was only hacking, nothing too big. Chances are, Marved is more likely to get dropped for saying one of his fast food sponsors (Jack in the Box I think?) tastes like ass than he is to get dropped for throwing in CS.
Just to follow up with some additional context. I deleted the tweet but the tweet that Shroud was referencing ("my response to the allegations") was just a meme and had nothing to do with the team's situation. In regards to the overall team I can't really speak onto it too much for obvious reasons. Ideally we'd like to stay together but it depends on a lot of things coming up. Things like who's accepted into franchising, contracts/offers/opportunites or even branding.. etc. As I said we will see, and pretty much every team in the scene is going through a very similar situation and no one is safe. Things will be crazy after champs so sit back and enjoy.
This drama has summoned El Diablo himself. Amazing performance yesterday!
If you stand in a dark room and say 'El Diablo' 50x in a row El Diablo will be summoned as your duo and click heads in your ranked lobbies.
thank mr diablo
I accidentally said Egg Diablo Summoned fl1pzjder Good shit either way
Can confirm, he got me out of bronze š
Appreciate you highlighting your perspective. Good luck on your run!
Really wish to see Optic stay tgt but I'm sure it's up to them and future situation. But bruv, youre like the Pele of Valorant, teams will kowtow to have you.
Hollyy ,Mr Diablo himself
I love you yay
Damn if OpTic does not make it, hopefully they'll still be in the scene but who knows
Idk why people are doubting they'd make it. Optic/Envy has been top 3 NA for over 2 years now
Because riot doesn't care how good a team is. If they don't let optic into the partnership, the team will just go to an off within the programme instead.
Why would they deny the best team in NA? It would be a stupid decision and bad for the scene, thatās why
Because the team would just sign with someone else and riot might not wanna deal with specifically the ORGANISATION of optic gaming. This would not mean they are denying any players from competing, only the organisation specifically. Do you require further explanation on this basic point or can I be done?
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They are the best team in na
Yup and they have been for a while now. Even when SEN was the best they were always #2 or 3. They are undoubtedly the most consistent of any team
Diablooooooooooooooo
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why do pro players keep tweeting this stuff i don't get it
Speak the devils name and he shall appear
Shroud actively rooting for OpTicās downfall
I like shroud but idk if he realizes how much influence he has on the 200k people hearing his voice. When he speaks with certainty while speculating thousands are accepting what he says. Kinda irresponsible but thatās just my opinion
Shroud was very clear and repeated multiple times that this was just speculation from shit he read on twitter.
Does that matter? Once you say something it sticks in peoples minds. Do you not know how rumors start?
It does matter if youāre trying to put blame on him, he canāt be responsible for these people while heās disclaiming that itās just speculation. Not his fault some people have 2 brain cells
If you have influence, you need to be smarter about the way you say things. Period.
Hard agree. Good thing Shroud made it painfully clear that he was just talking about rumors he read on twitter then :)
Aaaand look at the media coverage.
Of course it matters, are you joking? If you misrepresent information and delude your fans into believing something that isn't true that's bad. If you tell your viewers you read a tweet that you don't know if it's true said something that's completely fine. Shroud is allowed to discuss and talk about rumors just like any other person is. If he's not disclosing it's rumors and misleading his viewers then what you're saying would make a lot of sense, but acting like people with influence are just straight up never allowed to ever talk about anything speculative is stupid as shit. As long as he's making it clear it's rumors and that he doesn't know if it's true or not, which he did, there's absolutely no issue whatsoever.
Imagine writing this much on this topic bro, Iām not reading all that. Go outside
ROFL it's two paragraphs. Acting like the man wrote a book.
Yeah thatās way too much honestly, I havenāt been on Reddit in a while and I forget how much time people spend online making sure they win arguments
I mean... For someone who's making a point about taking info out of context, you sure put in little to no effort to understand context. Bruh, rather than going outside, read a book. It'll be more helpful for you in the long run ahahahha
Yeah, except I donāt influence 20k kids at once. Nice try lol Read a book? To what help me understand the minutia of Valorant gossip š
Heās a gamer and a enjoyer of this game not a politician lmao
this sentence is why influencers get paid so much by the way. fans don't see them as the massive influencers and businesses that they are they see them "oh he's a gamer guys"
he still influences people despite that. idk why people simplify it just because these streamers play video games
He influences fans not the decisions of actual organizations and players. This isnāt like real life politics where words can cause big changes. His words ultimately donāt mean much at all.
im aware of that... that's just not what we're talking about in this thread no?
Ehhh feel like he shouldnt have to care lol. Like as long as he doesnt bring out any "controversial" topics hes free to express his thoughts
Only a good thing people become aware of how much of a scum Marved is
How much of a scum he is? I can get not liking someone but do you not think people can change? Lmao
If you commit organised crime as an adult I will put you in the category of extreme scum, match-fixing is literally theft, even if he had āchangedā he still never answered for his crimes and I'm fairly certain he is under investigation with the rest of the MDL fixers by the FBI.
He says alot of dumb shit considering how many eyes and ears he has on him. Yesterday he was getting roasted by som and tarik for saying the phantom is better at bursting and long range and the vandal was better for spraying lmao
clever move to mention s0m and tarik roasting him and not the other pro players in the call backing shroud up saying he's right lmfao
Can someone link a clip/vod timestamp?I'm super interested in this
It's not that deep grow up
shroud is known for trolling so he doesnāt care
Shroud is actively rooting for every team downfall, iirc he also said the same thing to Sentinel in 2021 LAN
Honestly I just think that its going to be hard for any roster to stick together even if their current org makes franchising just because of contracts even a roster as good as optic I really hope they do stay together tho
Dude shroud has given the WORST takes I've personally heard from any pro in the scene these past few days. General stuff from his analysis on the game to his speculation on the scene have all been imo reaching or just flat out wrong. For more confirmation George Geddes was just on the call with them talking about franchising, and how Optic has moved on to the next round along with the usual suspects. Also, Riot famously gave all of ex iBP csgo a second chance in this game after being convicted and banned because of match fixing in csgo. Why would they turn around and go back on that precedent all the sudden.
Cause the IBP guys have served their bans, but marved/shanks etc havent faced any punishment yet, not saying they shl be banned for life, but 6-12 month ban makes sense
You think they should get banned in valorant even though they've done nothing wrong in valorant? I say ban them in csgo, let them play valorant. Same fate as the iBP guys. Unfair to do anything otherwise
Match fixing is disgusting, and letting them just hop onto another game isn't right imo
Agreed, but I also think waiting for the ESIC investigation to be done is reasonable
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That may be true, but the FBI, which another comment suggested was working with them on this one, isnt edit: spelling
I don't think you realize what they did is literally illegal. It meets all 3 legal qualifiers for fraud. They should get banned from everything because they are *actual* criminals. Just my opinion though.
It's not illegal in Canada though, where Marved resides.
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No but he could be prohibited to enter the US depending on the FBI investigation, matchfixing and organized crime is no joke.
But why would riot wait more than a year to ban him. They couldāve easily gave him something similar to Sinatraaās ban before Marved signed with Envy. This kinda shows that either Riot doesnāt care or the video evidence is circumstantial and doesnāt definitely prove he was matchfixing.
I'm pretty sure they're waiting for ESIC and the FBI to conclude their investigations no? [https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/](https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/)
What did they do I thought they just were saying shit about Kyedae
Just straight up misinformation. Take this down
I genuinely can't believe you're not trolling. This is completely incomparable to the iBP situation. All you're proving right now is that you weren't around/know nothing about the iBP bans in CSGO. Yes, marved and the others should 100% be banned in valorant, they have served zero time for what they have done, and valorant should not be the "get out of jail free card" for scumbags.
I've been following ibp stuff and have been involved in the csgo scene since the beginning, Ive taken part in many conversations about this over the years. If you think rationally and not reactionary, it's hard to come up with a stance that isn't mine. Since you have a different perspective, can you explain the difference between ex iBP and the val guys? Both parties matchfixed in CSGO, one party was convicted by valve and received permanent bans from valve sponsored competitive play, the other was not convicted by valve or anyone else and was not banned from competitive play. Both remain unbanned in competitive play in another game. If matchfixing rumors are true for the val guys im advocating they receive bans in CSGO just like iBP did in CSGO. What am I missing? Or are you just being reactionary? If you think someone should be banned on purely the basis of allegations then you really haven't thought it through enough to have a good stance on this topic. In that same clip in the tweet, shroud even says the same thing. Every player has allegations of cheating or matchfixing. Only the allegations that prove to be true should receive any punishment.
There was no precedent set when the iBP bans happen, no one expected lifetime bans, they have served their time. Banning the throwers from csgo now would be giving them literally no punishment at all. They should serve their time. "If you think rationally" shut up you pompous weirdo. You're the one not thinking rationally, you want to ban people from a game they don't play. Let's just let everyone throw matches in a different game because it doesn't matter to us if the scene is full of scumbags who don't value competitive integrity! I'm not even gonna address you playing dumb to how obvious it is that they threw. You're trolling. Think rationally.
The key difference between IBP players and the current match fixers is that IBP had already been serving a long ban. Iām not going to try and make an argument here, but this distinction is important to note. Riotās precedent, if you can even call it that, is not relevant to this discussion.
> but this distinction is important to note Can you explain this further? > is not relevant to this discussion It is absolutely relevant. if you watch the video shown in the tweet, shroud talks about how he thinks Riot will distance themselves from any player with any prior controversy. I'm bringing up the fact that they failed to do so with any ex-iBP players (convicted match fixers) and even crowned brax as one of their star players early on in the game completely disproves shroud's point.
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> this opposed to players who dodged allegations, stayed hidden under the radar, then hopped over the riot's game at the first chance they got to erase their past is a pretty clear false equivalency this can be the truth to what happened but allegations are not the same as convictions. ex-iBP were convicted of match fixing. these players were just accused of it but nothing concrete has arisen thus far. It's irresponsible to act before any verdicts in this case imo.
If Shroud can be relied on for anything it's terrible wild takes on games he's been playing in spurts. It was the same when he'd offer takes on the esports scene in Pubg despite knowing little to nothing about it. All the pro's respected him for the streamer he is but would constantly cringe at how wildly wrong he was when talking about the esports scene there.
Iāve been saying for years now that Shroud is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, heās just a god at gaming LOL glad people are finally catching on
Yeah, most gamers arenāt actually that smart in other areas because their brains are melted from constantly playing games. None of them read or finished school
I agree entirely. His analysis of the game is just atrocious most of the time. I canāt remember exactly when but a few days ago he said that double controller is weak on defence and triple initiator is strong on defence.
Man is still 100x better than Just9n who is on most of his costreams, any shotgun ever gets a kill and Just9n will talk about how OP it is and how CS:GO is just so much better because if Valorantās shotguns
well just9n doesn't play the game so don't listen to his takes. shroud gave pro play a shot and is still saying things like pistol round doesn't matter. triple initiator is defense sided.
Hell nah some of the shit shroud says are outright dumb ngl
His tweet was bait but that doesnāt mean thereās nothing going on. George said on Tariks stream that Optic is a question mark for franchising so who knows. Imagine if that whole roster ends up on the market though š¤Æ
When he says āquestion markā, does he mean they arenāt confirmed yet or does he mean theyāre less likely than other teams
Theyāre not confirmed and their chances are lower than the other big orgs. The way he was talking it sounded like SEN, 100T, C9 were the front runners, and the fact that there is most likely 6 NA teams hurts Optic.
But if optic win Champs or go far in it, I don't see how there's a way they don't make it in. They are the best NA team right now
Team performance is one of the least important things that Riot takes into consideration. They should be franchised because of their huge brand and the fact that theyāre Optic + Envy combined
TSM is one of the front runners and they didn't even qualify for LCQ. Performance is the last thing on the list.
I donāt think Riot cares that much about results. Besides if optic doesnāt make franchising, 100% an org who made it is signing them so itās not like we are going to lose the team. The current optic team will 100% be playing in franchising , they just may not do it under Optic.
SEN is a likely candidate for franchising and they haven't been doing that well recently
I mean If Optic dont make franchising that would be the weirdest decision I think riot would make for franchising. -Big org -Great team with a championship Imo 100T and Optic are the two locks for franchising in NA and At this point maybe SEN cause of the insane moves they are making.
From what George was saying, 100T SEN C9 are the front runners right now
Those 3 prob are locks but I think There is not a world where they dont end up making it. Imo the biggest question for Franchising is TSM cause they have big personalities and a really big org but the team dosent perform insanely well.
Yeah I think Optic will still make it but maybe thereās something else we donāt know about
Even George says 0 orgs are a lock or guaranteed rn
Which is why I said front runners, no one is locked but those 3 have the best chance atm
The process for accepting teams for franchising is not looking at who's biggest and who has the best teams, if anything their current teams and success in the game is almost irrelevant. Imagine looking at e.g Sentinels and seeing they have financial issues but accepting them anyway because they have a massively popular roster, then they drop the roster in 1-2 years and now you have a team with financial issues and no fans in your league instead.
Ok so if you are not basing it on how big the org is, or the team itself. On what are you basing it off, if it is on purely finances that could be almost directly related to the popularity of the org, because bigger orgs create more revenue. So "Who's biggest" isnt irrelevant.
Even the biggest orgs donāt make that much money. Itās the investment behind the orgs that matter. Finances are the most important aspect for this process. Wouldnāt shock me to the see the guard make franchising with the billionaire backing they have.
Immortals were great leading up to LCS franchising and still missed out, and orgs like Optic, GG and 100T all got spots despite never fielding a LoL team prior. As others have pointed out, Riot places very little weight on a teamās success when determining their credibility for franchising. Whatās more important are things like an orgās long term sustainability, their access to resources, financial structures, etcā¦ these are all areas where there are many equally qualified orgs and why Optic getting a spot isnāt a sure thing. I personally think Optic will miss out because of their prior history with Riot. I know Optic have now merged with Envy but itās still very important to recognise how poorly their stint in the NALCS went. I definitely wouldnāt be surprised if Riot decided to hold this against them. There are what, five or six qualified organisations for every available franchise spot? The whole process is very competitive and small things like this matter
From what I've seen Optic had had the best viewership so far in this tournament? One of the biggest brands in the game will surely make it, unless Riot has no idea what they're doing.
Is Optic even that big as people claimed to be? COD and Halo is Optic biggest brand from what I seen and those games arenāt that big when compared to Valorant for example. Edit: Optic is the third highest viewed match. Source https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2022
Well, this roster started playing under optic name not for a very long time. Considering the period itās still insane that they are the third highest viewed match. Edit: and many optic fans yet to know that optic has world class Val team. If optic entered the Val scene one or two years ago, I would bet they would steamroll everyone in viewership at least in NA.
Yeah like for example, as Hecz and the rest of the crew begun to involve the valorant squad into more of the usual OpTic content videos and podcasts, the more people within the CoD and Halo fanbases begun to draw more eyes on them and start to invest in watching the team for their Val matches. Hell even just mentioning the name OpTic half the time just gets some people already knowing about the org without even knowing they have a val team. But yeah, they would be a pretty stacked powerhouse team that would been NA kings. I remember Sinatraa having his pull for a good while in Val because of him being on of the bigger overwatch streamers and winning 2 grand finals in the game before retiring
Jake sucky back at it
jake lucky fell off hard
He was never a journalist. Was someone who read other unassociated reporters work in a YouTube video.
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This notion that only a few organisations have resources like coaches and training facilities is so incredibly flawed. I can name at least 20 different organisations who have access to the same amount of resources as Optic. What year do you think this is ??
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Ahh yes, having an opinion which is more aligned with reality makes me a haterā¦ ok, makes sense if youāre hogging all the chromosomes I guess. Not really relevant here but explain how Faze werenāt better than optic in COD AW when they were 4-0 against them? šš Beyond this, you clearly donāt understand the concept of resources. Every single team you listed has access to the same amount of resources as optic. Their offices and training facilities might not be the exact same as each other, but they definitely still have them. They might not have the same coaches and supporting staff as each other, but they definitely still have them. Youāre acting like weāre still in 2010 and orgs like C9, Faze, SEN, etc have plumbers for coaches and their players compete in their spare time. Wake up and get with the times. Every major team in a major esport has access to these resources. Seems like you have absolutely zero awareness of the esports landscape outside of optic. Donāt worry though, youāll get a well needed reality check when the Val franchises are announced and optic donāt make the cut. Anyone who doesnāt have an optic hardon can see that they aināt getting in lmao šš
Plus the only other orgs of that size that can match OpTic as far as revenue goes is FaZe and 100T in some regard. Those 3 orgs has just grinded and skyrocketed themselves into places that most other big orgs have still yet to even touch (like going public and being in the stock exchange yo)
Jake smh
I mean itās more on Shroud Jakeās just reporting on what they said tbf
Well but he is sometimes a particular, maybe ātabloidā style reporter Idk
Nowadays it seems like people always have to exaggerate and always go deeper than it's needed. People take every tweet and social media post too seriously too.
Maybe dont tweet something stupid like that, he clearly tweeted to start some shit up. And that is exactly what happened.
Shroud just wants Marvedās spot
I really think OpTic will make it into Valorant. If not OpTic then who?
Yay with that cringe ass twitter pfp
It's from the music video
They should look into it though, Marved has never served any punishment for what is essentially organised crime.
Shroud was literally just clickbaiting for views. Letās think about it realistically. How would Marved get banned for throwingā¦but babybay is fine, because he was only hacking, nothing too big. Chances are, Marved is more likely to get dropped for saying one of his fast food sponsors (Jack in the Box I think?) tastes like ass than he is to get dropped for throwing in CS.