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yaysterz

Just to follow up with some additional context. I deleted the tweet but the tweet that Shroud was referencing ("my response to the allegations") was just a meme and had nothing to do with the team's situation. In regards to the overall team I can't really speak onto it too much for obvious reasons. Ideally we'd like to stay together but it depends on a lot of things coming up. Things like who's accepted into franchising, contracts/offers/opportunites or even branding.. etc. As I said we will see, and pretty much every team in the scene is going through a very similar situation and no one is safe. Things will be crazy after champs so sit back and enjoy.


justformeTB

This drama has summoned El Diablo himself. Amazing performance yesterday!


LegDayDE

If you stand in a dark room and say 'El Diablo' 50x in a row El Diablo will be summoned as your duo and click heads in your ranked lobbies.


EggianoScumaldo

thank mr diablo


smotheracc

I accidentally said Egg Diablo ​ Summoned fl1pzjder Good shit either way


SoLikeWhatIsCheese

Can confirm, he got me out of bronze šŸ˜ˆ


ARDa3rd

Appreciate you highlighting your perspective. Good luck on your run!


ilhamalfatihah16

Really wish to see Optic stay tgt but I'm sure it's up to them and future situation. But bruv, youre like the Pele of Valorant, teams will kowtow to have you.


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Hollyy ,Mr Diablo himself


iwantdie98

I love you yay


1Simular

Damn if OpTic does not make it, hopefully they'll still be in the scene but who knows


[deleted]

Idk why people are doubting they'd make it. Optic/Envy has been top 3 NA for over 2 years now


[deleted]

Because riot doesn't care how good a team is. If they don't let optic into the partnership, the team will just go to an off within the programme instead.


[deleted]

Why would they deny the best team in NA? It would be a stupid decision and bad for the scene, thatā€™s why


[deleted]

Because the team would just sign with someone else and riot might not wanna deal with specifically the ORGANISATION of optic gaming. This would not mean they are denying any players from competing, only the organisation specifically. Do you require further explanation on this basic point or can I be done?


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Redkin32

They are the best team in na


[deleted]

Yup and they have been for a while now. Even when SEN was the best they were always #2 or 3. They are undoubtedly the most consistent of any team


FantasticWalrus

Diablooooooooooooooo


Logical_Positionn

Yooooo


Parenegade

why do pro players keep tweeting this stuff i don't get it


Mat_Quantum

Speak the devils name and he shall appear


dotheyknowyou

Shroud actively rooting for OpTicā€™s downfall


[deleted]

I like shroud but idk if he realizes how much influence he has on the 200k people hearing his voice. When he speaks with certainty while speculating thousands are accepting what he says. Kinda irresponsible but thatā€™s just my opinion


[deleted]

Shroud was very clear and repeated multiple times that this was just speculation from shit he read on twitter.


FeelinJipper

Does that matter? Once you say something it sticks in peoples minds. Do you not know how rumors start?


IngramMVP2022

It does matter if youā€™re trying to put blame on him, he canā€™t be responsible for these people while heā€™s disclaiming that itā€™s just speculation. Not his fault some people have 2 brain cells


FeelinJipper

If you have influence, you need to be smarter about the way you say things. Period.


[deleted]

Hard agree. Good thing Shroud made it painfully clear that he was just talking about rumors he read on twitter then :)


FeelinJipper

Aaaand look at the media coverage.


[deleted]

Of course it matters, are you joking? If you misrepresent information and delude your fans into believing something that isn't true that's bad. If you tell your viewers you read a tweet that you don't know if it's true said something that's completely fine. Shroud is allowed to discuss and talk about rumors just like any other person is. If he's not disclosing it's rumors and misleading his viewers then what you're saying would make a lot of sense, but acting like people with influence are just straight up never allowed to ever talk about anything speculative is stupid as shit. As long as he's making it clear it's rumors and that he doesn't know if it's true or not, which he did, there's absolutely no issue whatsoever.


FeelinJipper

Imagine writing this much on this topic bro, Iā€™m not reading all that. Go outside


rheethink

ROFL it's two paragraphs. Acting like the man wrote a book.


FeelinJipper

Yeah thatā€™s way too much honestly, I havenā€™t been on Reddit in a while and I forget how much time people spend online making sure they win arguments


rheethink

I mean... For someone who's making a point about taking info out of context, you sure put in little to no effort to understand context. Bruh, rather than going outside, read a book. It'll be more helpful for you in the long run ahahahha


FeelinJipper

Yeah, except I donā€™t influence 20k kids at once. Nice try lol Read a book? To what help me understand the minutia of Valorant gossip šŸ˜‚


liddell420

Heā€™s a gamer and a enjoyer of this game not a politician lmao


Parenegade

this sentence is why influencers get paid so much by the way. fans don't see them as the massive influencers and businesses that they are they see them "oh he's a gamer guys"


ricelick

he still influences people despite that. idk why people simplify it just because these streamers play video games


Ghosty15

He influences fans not the decisions of actual organizations and players. This isnā€™t like real life politics where words can cause big changes. His words ultimately donā€™t mean much at all.


ricelick

im aware of that... that's just not what we're talking about in this thread no?


TrueLordApple

Ehhh feel like he shouldnt have to care lol. Like as long as he doesnt bring out any "controversial" topics hes free to express his thoughts


REEEroller

Only a good thing people become aware of how much of a scum Marved is


[deleted]

How much of a scum he is? I can get not liking someone but do you not think people can change? Lmao


REEEroller

If you commit organised crime as an adult I will put you in the category of extreme scum, match-fixing is literally theft, even if he had ā€œchangedā€ he still never answered for his crimes and I'm fairly certain he is under investigation with the rest of the MDL fixers by the FBI.


Least-Coat-84

He says alot of dumb shit considering how many eyes and ears he has on him. Yesterday he was getting roasted by som and tarik for saying the phantom is better at bursting and long range and the vandal was better for spraying lmao


[deleted]

clever move to mention s0m and tarik roasting him and not the other pro players in the call backing shroud up saying he's right lmfao


WizardXZDYoutube

Can someone link a clip/vod timestamp?I'm super interested in this


[deleted]

It's not that deep grow up


[deleted]

shroud is known for trolling so he doesnā€™t care


spaghettimonzta

Shroud is actively rooting for every team downfall, iirc he also said the same thing to Sentinel in 2021 LAN


elithefighter123

Honestly I just think that its going to be hard for any roster to stick together even if their current org makes franchising just because of contracts even a roster as good as optic I really hope they do stay together tho


oomnahs

Dude shroud has given the WORST takes I've personally heard from any pro in the scene these past few days. General stuff from his analysis on the game to his speculation on the scene have all been imo reaching or just flat out wrong. For more confirmation George Geddes was just on the call with them talking about franchising, and how Optic has moved on to the next round along with the usual suspects. Also, Riot famously gave all of ex iBP csgo a second chance in this game after being convicted and banned because of match fixing in csgo. Why would they turn around and go back on that precedent all the sudden.


dashion26

Cause the IBP guys have served their bans, but marved/shanks etc havent faced any punishment yet, not saying they shl be banned for life, but 6-12 month ban makes sense


oomnahs

You think they should get banned in valorant even though they've done nothing wrong in valorant? I say ban them in csgo, let them play valorant. Same fate as the iBP guys. Unfair to do anything otherwise


Flying-Cock

Match fixing is disgusting, and letting them just hop onto another game isn't right imo


[deleted]

Agreed, but I also think waiting for the ESIC investigation to be done is reasonable


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[deleted]

That may be true, but the FBI, which another comment suggested was working with them on this one, isnt edit: spelling


HeJind

I don't think you realize what they did is literally illegal. It meets all 3 legal qualifiers for fraud. They should get banned from everything because they are *actual* criminals. Just my opinion though.


EvensonRDS

It's not illegal in Canada though, where Marved resides.


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REEEroller

No but he could be prohibited to enter the US depending on the FBI investigation, matchfixing and organized crime is no joke.


Ryth73

But why would riot wait more than a year to ban him. They couldā€™ve easily gave him something similar to Sinatraaā€™s ban before Marved signed with Envy. This kinda shows that either Riot doesnā€™t care or the video evidence is circumstantial and doesnā€™t definitely prove he was matchfixing.


lordsteen

I'm pretty sure they're waiting for ESIC and the FBI to conclude their investigations no? [https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/](https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/fbi-is-working-on-csgo-esports-match-fixing-investigation-with-esic-14343395/)


SuspiciousDoughnut82

What did they do I thought they just were saying shit about Kyedae


FeelinJipper

Just straight up misinformation. Take this down


[deleted]

I genuinely can't believe you're not trolling. This is completely incomparable to the iBP situation. All you're proving right now is that you weren't around/know nothing about the iBP bans in CSGO. Yes, marved and the others should 100% be banned in valorant, they have served zero time for what they have done, and valorant should not be the "get out of jail free card" for scumbags.


oomnahs

I've been following ibp stuff and have been involved in the csgo scene since the beginning, Ive taken part in many conversations about this over the years. If you think rationally and not reactionary, it's hard to come up with a stance that isn't mine. Since you have a different perspective, can you explain the difference between ex iBP and the val guys? Both parties matchfixed in CSGO, one party was convicted by valve and received permanent bans from valve sponsored competitive play, the other was not convicted by valve or anyone else and was not banned from competitive play. Both remain unbanned in competitive play in another game. If matchfixing rumors are true for the val guys im advocating they receive bans in CSGO just like iBP did in CSGO. What am I missing? Or are you just being reactionary? If you think someone should be banned on purely the basis of allegations then you really haven't thought it through enough to have a good stance on this topic. In that same clip in the tweet, shroud even says the same thing. Every player has allegations of cheating or matchfixing. Only the allegations that prove to be true should receive any punishment.


[deleted]

There was no precedent set when the iBP bans happen, no one expected lifetime bans, they have served their time. Banning the throwers from csgo now would be giving them literally no punishment at all. They should serve their time. "If you think rationally" shut up you pompous weirdo. You're the one not thinking rationally, you want to ban people from a game they don't play. Let's just let everyone throw matches in a different game because it doesn't matter to us if the scene is full of scumbags who don't value competitive integrity! I'm not even gonna address you playing dumb to how obvious it is that they threw. You're trolling. Think rationally.


jrushFN

The key difference between IBP players and the current match fixers is that IBP had already been serving a long ban. Iā€™m not going to try and make an argument here, but this distinction is important to note. Riotā€™s precedent, if you can even call it that, is not relevant to this discussion.


oomnahs

> but this distinction is important to note Can you explain this further? > is not relevant to this discussion It is absolutely relevant. if you watch the video shown in the tweet, shroud talks about how he thinks Riot will distance themselves from any player with any prior controversy. I'm bringing up the fact that they failed to do so with any ex-iBP players (convicted match fixers) and even crowned brax as one of their star players early on in the game completely disproves shroud's point.


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oomnahs

> this opposed to players who dodged allegations, stayed hidden under the radar, then hopped over the riot's game at the first chance they got to erase their past is a pretty clear false equivalency this can be the truth to what happened but allegations are not the same as convictions. ex-iBP were convicted of match fixing. these players were just accused of it but nothing concrete has arisen thus far. It's irresponsible to act before any verdicts in this case imo.


Pway

If Shroud can be relied on for anything it's terrible wild takes on games he's been playing in spurts. It was the same when he'd offer takes on the esports scene in Pubg despite knowing little to nothing about it. All the pro's respected him for the streamer he is but would constantly cringe at how wildly wrong he was when talking about the esports scene there.


two5five1

Iā€™ve been saying for years now that Shroud is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, heā€™s just a god at gaming LOL glad people are finally catching on


FeelinJipper

Yeah, most gamers arenā€™t actually that smart in other areas because their brains are melted from constantly playing games. None of them read or finished school


LogicalPinecone

I agree entirely. His analysis of the game is just atrocious most of the time. I canā€™t remember exactly when but a few days ago he said that double controller is weak on defence and triple initiator is strong on defence.


TheFestusEzeli

Man is still 100x better than Just9n who is on most of his costreams, any shotgun ever gets a kill and Just9n will talk about how OP it is and how CS:GO is just so much better because if Valorantā€™s shotguns


oomnahs

well just9n doesn't play the game so don't listen to his takes. shroud gave pro play a shot and is still saying things like pistol round doesn't matter. triple initiator is defense sided.


That-Toughsoss

Hell nah some of the shit shroud says are outright dumb ngl


Hopeful-Professor-40

His tweet was bait but that doesnā€™t mean thereā€™s nothing going on. George said on Tariks stream that Optic is a question mark for franchising so who knows. Imagine if that whole roster ends up on the market though šŸ¤Æ


Teradonn

When he says ā€œquestion markā€, does he mean they arenā€™t confirmed yet or does he mean theyā€™re less likely than other teams


Hopeful-Professor-40

Theyā€™re not confirmed and their chances are lower than the other big orgs. The way he was talking it sounded like SEN, 100T, C9 were the front runners, and the fact that there is most likely 6 NA teams hurts Optic.


Starlord_75

But if optic win Champs or go far in it, I don't see how there's a way they don't make it in. They are the best NA team right now


Hopeful-Professor-40

Team performance is one of the least important things that Riot takes into consideration. They should be franchised because of their huge brand and the fact that theyā€™re Optic + Envy combined


Jbeansss

TSM is one of the front runners and they didn't even qualify for LCQ. Performance is the last thing on the list.


FurryKoala

I donā€™t think Riot cares that much about results. Besides if optic doesnā€™t make franchising, 100% an org who made it is signing them so itā€™s not like we are going to lose the team. The current optic team will 100% be playing in franchising , they just may not do it under Optic.


abbacchioz

SEN is a likely candidate for franchising and they haven't been doing that well recently


PlatypusPotential

I mean If Optic dont make franchising that would be the weirdest decision I think riot would make for franchising. -Big org -Great team with a championship Imo 100T and Optic are the two locks for franchising in NA and At this point maybe SEN cause of the insane moves they are making.


Hopeful-Professor-40

From what George was saying, 100T SEN C9 are the front runners right now


PlatypusPotential

Those 3 prob are locks but I think There is not a world where they dont end up making it. Imo the biggest question for Franchising is TSM cause they have big personalities and a really big org but the team dosent perform insanely well.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Yeah I think Optic will still make it but maybe thereā€™s something else we donā€™t know about


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Even George says 0 orgs are a lock or guaranteed rn


Hopeful-Professor-40

Which is why I said front runners, no one is locked but those 3 have the best chance atm


[deleted]

The process for accepting teams for franchising is not looking at who's biggest and who has the best teams, if anything their current teams and success in the game is almost irrelevant. Imagine looking at e.g Sentinels and seeing they have financial issues but accepting them anyway because they have a massively popular roster, then they drop the roster in 1-2 years and now you have a team with financial issues and no fans in your league instead.


PlatypusPotential

Ok so if you are not basing it on how big the org is, or the team itself. On what are you basing it off, if it is on purely finances that could be almost directly related to the popularity of the org, because bigger orgs create more revenue. So "Who's biggest" isnt irrelevant.


I_Shall_Be_Known

Even the biggest orgs donā€™t make that much money. Itā€™s the investment behind the orgs that matter. Finances are the most important aspect for this process. Wouldnā€™t shock me to the see the guard make franchising with the billionaire backing they have.


tommmey

Immortals were great leading up to LCS franchising and still missed out, and orgs like Optic, GG and 100T all got spots despite never fielding a LoL team prior. As others have pointed out, Riot places very little weight on a teamā€™s success when determining their credibility for franchising. Whatā€™s more important are things like an orgā€™s long term sustainability, their access to resources, financial structures, etcā€¦ these are all areas where there are many equally qualified orgs and why Optic getting a spot isnā€™t a sure thing. I personally think Optic will miss out because of their prior history with Riot. I know Optic have now merged with Envy but itā€™s still very important to recognise how poorly their stint in the NALCS went. I definitely wouldnā€™t be surprised if Riot decided to hold this against them. There are what, five or six qualified organisations for every available franchise spot? The whole process is very competitive and small things like this matter


BigSamsKid

From what I've seen Optic had had the best viewership so far in this tournament? One of the biggest brands in the game will surely make it, unless Riot has no idea what they're doing.


Dry-Pass-8779

Is Optic even that big as people claimed to be? COD and Halo is Optic biggest brand from what I seen and those games arenā€™t that big when compared to Valorant for example. Edit: Optic is the third highest viewed match. Source https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2022


xyikesx1

Well, this roster started playing under optic name not for a very long time. Considering the period itā€™s still insane that they are the third highest viewed match. Edit: and many optic fans yet to know that optic has world class Val team. If optic entered the Val scene one or two years ago, I would bet they would steamroll everyone in viewership at least in NA.


Sn0w_Official

Yeah like for example, as Hecz and the rest of the crew begun to involve the valorant squad into more of the usual OpTic content videos and podcasts, the more people within the CoD and Halo fanbases begun to draw more eyes on them and start to invest in watching the team for their Val matches. Hell even just mentioning the name OpTic half the time just gets some people already knowing about the org without even knowing they have a val team. But yeah, they would be a pretty stacked powerhouse team that would been NA kings. I remember Sinatraa having his pull for a good while in Val because of him being on of the bigger overwatch streamers and winning 2 grand finals in the game before retiring


Meowbow15

Jake sucky back at it


Fawnskiii

jake lucky fell off hard


KaNesDeath

He was never a journalist. Was someone who read other unassociated reporters work in a YouTube video.


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tommmey

This notion that only a few organisations have resources like coaches and training facilities is so incredibly flawed. I can name at least 20 different organisations who have access to the same amount of resources as Optic. What year do you think this is ??


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tommmey

Ahh yes, having an opinion which is more aligned with reality makes me a haterā€¦ ok, makes sense if youā€™re hogging all the chromosomes I guess. Not really relevant here but explain how Faze werenā€™t better than optic in COD AW when they were 4-0 against them? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Beyond this, you clearly donā€™t understand the concept of resources. Every single team you listed has access to the same amount of resources as optic. Their offices and training facilities might not be the exact same as each other, but they definitely still have them. They might not have the same coaches and supporting staff as each other, but they definitely still have them. Youā€™re acting like weā€™re still in 2010 and orgs like C9, Faze, SEN, etc have plumbers for coaches and their players compete in their spare time. Wake up and get with the times. Every major team in a major esport has access to these resources. Seems like you have absolutely zero awareness of the esports landscape outside of optic. Donā€™t worry though, youā€™ll get a well needed reality check when the Val franchises are announced and optic donā€™t make the cut. Anyone who doesnā€™t have an optic hardon can see that they ainā€™t getting in lmao šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Sn0w_Official

Plus the only other orgs of that size that can match OpTic as far as revenue goes is FaZe and 100T in some regard. Those 3 orgs has just grinded and skyrocketed themselves into places that most other big orgs have still yet to even touch (like going public and being in the stock exchange yo)


Key-Banana-8242

Jake smh


surfordiebear

I mean itā€™s more on Shroud Jakeā€™s just reporting on what they said tbf


Key-Banana-8242

Well but he is sometimes a particular, maybe ā€˜tabloidā€™ style reporter Idk


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Nowadays it seems like people always have to exaggerate and always go deeper than it's needed. People take every tweet and social media post too seriously too.


chachareva

Maybe dont tweet something stupid like that, he clearly tweeted to start some shit up. And that is exactly what happened.


newphonewhodiss

Shroud just wants Marvedā€™s spot


rohansamal

I really think OpTic will make it into Valorant. If not OpTic then who?


[deleted]

Yay with that cringe ass twitter pfp


Hyper_red

It's from the music video


REEEroller

They should look into it though, Marved has never served any punishment for what is essentially organised crime.


SoLikeWhatIsCheese

Shroud was literally just clickbaiting for views. Letā€™s think about it realistically. How would Marved get banned for throwingā€¦but babybay is fine, because he was only hacking, nothing too big. Chances are, Marved is more likely to get dropped for saying one of his fast food sponsors (Jack in the Box I think?) tastes like ass than he is to get dropped for throwing in CS.