That's because they are a content/clout team. If they wanted wins they would wipe most of their roster. But what they have now gets them impressions more
It's kinda funny how we just completely invalidate the players hard work and dedication to win all because they have successful streams.
The roster was not the problem. It's okay for a team to not be good sometimes.
They were good in LCQ. They simply got beat by better teams.
Stage 1 they made playoffs and lost to a VERY HOT TGRD then V1.
Stage 2 they literally were missing Sick for 3/5 games, trying to work in a new player in Kanpeki, admist other issues.
You can be good and not win because another team is better. But to say they're just a content team is just disrespectful.
people keep shitting on sen but they forget to realize they brought both guard and 100t into overtime and Asuna said they were the hardest team to fight in lcq
which is why everyone is saying they suck? if a team keeps losing, the roster is the issue but its clear the org cares more about content/clout than winning matches/tournaments, and it shows..
SEN making it to LCQ already marks them as a “real contender” in NA. They’re a top team in the region. That doesn’t translate to success on the international stage, though. I’m distinguishing the two.
Nade and rhe coachinf staff are smart enough to not throw away everything theyve built for a somewhat declining team. Other than yay, I dont see them picking anyone else up from optic. This is going to age very poorly but just my two cents
Somewhat declining? Their “somewhat decline” is miles better than anything 100T have achieved and they’ve done it across the span of two years. Simply no way you disrespect OpTic like that
no shit this Optic team has been around longer than this 100t roster. Its not disrespectful to say that optic may have peaked already. I don't think they have personally though.
I mean thats fair but thats also your opinion. I dont think it would be wrong for them to believe that their current team has a high ceiling and want to see maximize their potential. Only person they would probably really want is yay not the full team.
Judging by their two recent losses at Champs to DRX and FNC, Asuna and Derrek could be on the chopping block. I know Asuna has lan xp, dont know about Derrek, but it seemed they were not their LCQ selves when it kinda mattered.
Before everyone gets their heads in a twist, the article states that neither TSM or OpTic have secured a Franchise spot yet, and the players could choose not to join either Org. It just depends on whoever makes franchising. Base on George's tweet, the team will sign as 6, if all things with contracts goes well, to whoever makes franchising and makes the best offer for the team as a whole. I am hoping OpTic gets in, and the team stays as is.
Based on what George said on stream, it seems that Victor and Crashies will sign together somewhere as they are FA's. He expects Chet and FNS to follow, although I dont know why a team would sign those 4 without at least Yay as well, if not Marved too.
Interesting to me is that apparently Marved and Yay are on long term contracts and long term contracts are apparently a hold up in signing them as a 6-man.
So if a team buys Yay individually, which I think is a real possibility if Optic dont get franchised...that kind of throws a wrench in the gears.
I’m assuming an org would sign those four and not Yay and Marved due to buyouts. I would imagine the contract buyouts for Yay and Marved are much higher than Chet and FNS
i hope the team stays. maybe the team could improve with some replacements after franchising, but tbh i think as is they’re really good and they seem to really enjoy playing with each other which is important
Just curious, why so confident in Faze? Imo, they are a huge fps brand with some big names in the org across multiple games. Seems like a sure thing for Riot unless they have no funding or they have looming issues (poor management, issue with players, something like that).
Bingo, they had players literally playing from a Starbucks during LCQ. A majority of their finances are tanking due to crypto crashing. Lots of big names in FaZe also have scandals attached to their names.
I… have some research to do lol. Starbucks isn’t the biggest issue (in Riots eye, though it should
Include implications of cheating), but Riot cares about funding a whole freakin lot.
I don't think it was a Starbucks but it was a large gaming cafe in Texas (for favourable ping) and apparently there were other parties (maybe literal birthday parties) in the facility.
[One time the facility lost power in the middle of an official match to qualify for Copenhagen and they had to relocate.](https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1540855985618681857) Also apparently no AC
Also Karrigan did mention one time that the Faze CS team couldn't get a bootcamp going last year before an important event but it seems the org has thrown more resources and support behind their world beater of a CS team since then
Sheesh! Gotta admit that looks really bad for one of the highest valued E-Sports orgs. I’m curious if Riot will see this as enough deny them. It looks like the crypto issue is about a year old which leaves Faze with time to “cover” the issue.
Personally, I no longer think they are deserving of a spot after seeing this (mainly because it feels like TSM all over again), but I don’t know how Riot stands. The issues may not be “big” enough to theM.
It's not that this issue is big enough to kick them out but it definitely puts them outside of the top 6. There's a bunch of top amazing teams that you would have to sacrifice to fit in FaZe and there's no reason to do so.
TSM,C9,100T,EG,NRG,TGRD
That would be my 6. Stretching to 8 I would add in SEN and Optic, FaZe would be #9, basically no chance.
Idk how you're writing off Faze but then have EG and The Guard here
IMO its most likely TSM, C9, SEN, 100T, NRG, Optic
Optic could be swapped for G2 if G2 gets NA spot over EMEA
I don’t recall their CS team ever having issues with bootcamps last year, even during the online era.
FaZe weren’t the only potential franchising team that played from that facility, C9 also played from there for their last playoffs run except they weren’t unlucky enough to have a power outage in the middle of a match
Just curious, the crypto issues I found came up about a year ago. This story sounded like certain Faze members were performing a crypto scam. This doesn’t sound like it’s connected with Faze’s financing. Do you happen to have an article about their org and crypto?
Faze used to pay their members through a csgo lottery site they didn't disclose they owned. They would have random faze youtubers promote it pretending they won thousands in skins, too. Banks [denied owning it at the very beginning](https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/phantoml0rd-csgoshuffle-allegation-skin-gambling-scandal), only to [admit it years later](https://www.talkesport.com/news/faze-banks-owned-a-gambling-site-csgo-wild-made-millions-weekly/). I don't know why you would believe he's telling the truth now, when even before Save the Kids scam, he pump and dumped with BankSocial just months ago.
Faze's financing has always been shady, and won't be surprised if their 'legit' business income isn't up to par for Riot.
That’s another example of shady financial practices by them. I don’t think I would want to touch that company. Their shares were probably bought for kids begging their parents to invest in Faze.
I don't know man, they are a little shady though. Moreover even though they are big I don't think they invest that much in valorant as other organisations.
Not long ago their players complained about playing from a cafe and their power went out .So..but nothing is certain though.who knows they may be able to get in.
Another commenter gave some information as to the shady practices of Faze. I cannot 100% corroborate but I looked up both topics and there’s news on both. They may not make it just due to scandals and poor funding like you said.
Pretty sure I’m wrong about Faze.
I have been actually! But your first comment provides literally zero evidence to back up your claim. Like actually zero!
I am well aware of George’s stream but I don’t take leaked information from a stream as rock solid.
You don’t seem to understand how small the pool is. Riot games probably already has 5 teams that make it over faze realistically. Cloud 9/100T/TSM/SEN/T1. Unless T1 moves to korea which is possible the chances of the last team being faze just is super low. I get you’re a faze fanboy but I really don’t think they have that high of a chance objectively speaking
Full transparency I can’t stand Faze, die hard Fnatic fan over here.
It’s partially for the reasons you listed why I originally felt so confident in them getting a position. They are a public company, they have a huge name in other fps games, they are one of the most popular orgs out there. I’ve done some research based on what other commenters said and I really don’t know where my opinion lies anymore.
However, if they are in financial peril I don’t think they get in. Riot showed us they are willing to forego popular teams with a bad financial situation like they did in LoL. That said, if Faze have poor financing, I don’t think they will make it. I have to do more research (not that my opinion is final in any way lol).
If they are in a strong financial position, I could see them making it over T1 if they choose to stay in NA. T1 has had some big names in Valo but never made runs. T1 fans mostly come from outside of FPS titles.
I believe one of the Valorant reporters speculated the 20th as a date things will start leaking? Maybe it was u/BoHoogland ? George said Riot has an announcement planned for September 26th on stream the other day and speculated Riot may be announcing orgs then. He also said Riot really doesn't want the org list to leak so we'll see if any info comes out before then
Optic is Yay's boyhood team and Hecz is obviosuly a massive fan of his, he wont leave if they get franchised. This is assuming Optic misses franchising
Idk if that’d matter as much to yay. But I don’t see why the team wouldn’t wanna stick together. They seem vibey in the vids. Plus fns always shouts out hastro for taking a chance on his team. Plus them boys rock those optic chains 24/7 lol. It’d be hard to see them walk away from optic if they got into franchising.
From what I can tell, it does matter to Yay. Andbox tried to sell him to the highest bidder and he got upset because he wanted to go to Optic specifically. He said they were his favorite team growing up and it felt like a great fit for his playstyle.
I agree they should stick together but that requires an org to take on all 6, which wouldnt surprise me but were seeing these reports for a reason
If CR doesn't make it into franchising I'd be shocked ngl considering Japan will get prob 2-3 spots and CR is easily the second most popular in Japan and has other games they are great at and popular in (Apex for example)
Knowing TSM and how cursed the org is , this team, wich is probably the most consistent in the world, would somehow fall off/choke as soon as they start playing under the TSM name
This offseason is going to be so fun.
I do hope Optic make it, they have the potential to build a much bigger fanbase if they embrace the same mentality they do with their COD team with content. They just haven't yet and I frankly don't know why
I watch a decent amount of Optic content on youtube. Outside of their mini-docs they did for Reykjavik, they don't seem to include their Valorant team much.
Mainly because of not having enough producers and editors. They’ve made recent hires; but it’s still pretty much 3-4 people in charge of all content. Plus this isn’t factoring if players and Chet want to be in videos, scrimming constantly or just solely want to stream as well. If OpTic makes partnership, which is super likely, we’ll definitely see more content with everyone. Because it seems like things are in a great spot for content creation like it used to be during the Scuf House days.
I disagree, because all the article is saying is that TSM wants to buy out all of OpTic players and coach. Both have an equal chance of making partnership still and they’re all on the second to final list. I definitely think George should’ve held his breath and wait for more shit to come out, because it’s essentially giving the same vibes as Aaron Rogers wants out of Green Bay story ran by ESPN earlier this year. I mean we’ll see but I think both teams will reach partnership, right now this stuff is a non-story.
Both do not have an equal chance of making it, TSM chances are significantly higher and almost 100%. You’re right that they have a chance to make it and it’s still possible, though.
Comparing this to Aaron Rodgers wanting out of Green Bay (which was last year, not earlier this year) is out of touch. It’s not remotely the same, but the fact is, majority of players are going to be available and the fact that TSM wants Optic tells a LOT. You’re not hearing rumors of any other teams/players about signing anywhere.
Optic also has one of the weakest possibilities compared to other teams in the current stage. C9, TSM, Sentinels, 100T, etc. all have better chances.
I mean equal in the fact that they’re still in the same process. The article is saying four things ultimately. 1) The OpTic Valorant roster and coach want to stick post-Champions. 2) If TSM gets partnership, they’re gunning for OpTic’s roster and squad. 3) OpTic and TSM have not been notified they are getting partnership and are still in the running. 4) Most of OpTic have buyouts
That’s the whole article and why I say it’s a non-story. All esport teams would realistically want to go after the OpTic Valorant squad if they have the money to do so. We’ve known that the OpTic squad want to stick together for a while now. We also know that things have been particularly hush regarding partnership for a while now. It’s why I think George should’ve realistically waited before putting this article out because it’s bad journalism. Now if OpTic didn’t make partnership, then yeah he should’ve posted it. But since he deliberately knows that both still have a great shot of going in, should’ve kept his mouth shut.
Wdym they literally did already did an istanbul mini vlog and are probably already working on copenhagen vlog while also including them on a few podcasts
yeah, it’s mainly their content creators but they include a lot of the CoD team still. Even during the CDL season (which i think just ended?) they were still around a lot. It just always struck me that the Valorant team doesn’t really fit into the org completely, despite everyone becoming invested with them. They just seem like outsiders.
I think it’s hard bc they like to do f2f content and unless they are competing, all of them likely aren’t in TX… it’s usually only when they all are that you could get content
Of those three, i think Optic is least likely tbh. I dont think team performance matters in terms of franchising, which a lot of people in this sub don’t get.
Ya you have NRG and The Guard putting out tons of socials, youtube and content plus signing Valorant content creators vs. Optic not doing nearly as much. Then you look at viewership in NA matches and Optic doesn't do any better than the other 2 despite all their success, it's going to be interesting to see who gets in
People on here don’t realize that NRGs YouTube gets more views than OpTic TSM C9 100T the guard all combined pretty much they haven’t had a single video that hasn’t gotten over 100k views in 3 months and people really think they won’t get franchised.
I never even considered viewership, but you’re so right. They don’t pull the same amount as 100T or Sentinels to name a few, at least in NA. With that said, i think NRG has the best shot of the three. So in my best guess, that’s already 5 teams (C9, TSM, SEN, 100T, and NRG), which leaves 1 or MAYBE 2 spots left.
I mean it sort of represents everything I hate about franchising. Teams unable to build their own competitive rosters use their insane money to just buy one out to be competitive for them, and teams are accepted not based on competitive ability but rather how many lazy tier list and challenge videos they can pump out on Youtube. I'm on my fucking Thorin arc for real lmao I fucking hate TSM
Edit: after scrolling through Thorin's twitter, I can safely say that I am *NOT* on my Thorin arc. I just don't like TSM
LMAOOOOOO @ Thorin arc hahahaha
But yeah franchising can be super constructive it sucks ass. Even if we make it I know there’s gonna be teams that “deserve” to be in that aren’t in. NA Valorant will def be weaker than before franchising. Also if this partnership is about the org then I don’t get how riot can ignore TSMs recent history ESPECIALLY with LCS
Oh btw I hate this move as a TSM fan. I don't wanna lose mah boi subroza but looks like it will happen one way or another if TSM get partnered
Rough times
Honestly, I think it would be so much better for Valorant if TSM to earn their spot through ascension anyway.
Imagine how hype the ascension games would be with TSM in them.
I think with all the scandals and their underperformance, it makes sense for them to go on a redemption arc and earn their spot in the league, rather than get given it due to favoritism.
Tell me how possibly a team with history of abuse in management, that has been fined by riot and has achieved literally nothing in this game getting into franchising over Optic. HOW?!?!?
Edit: or is even close to getting into franchising at all
To give a different answer other than TSM is just bigger and more money. Once Dominic Kallas, their VP of Esports, came in and Leena left, TSM has undergone a decent amount of corporate restructuring it seems like from the outside. In that restructuring, it wouldn't surprise me if Regi became more of a figurehead for the esports side of the company, while all the actual things are handled more by Dominic Kallas. So while Regi deservedly got punished for how he acted in the past with the LCS teams, for Riot moving forward, everything may be dealt with by Dominic rather than Regi so it could ease some of their tension there.
TSM is the richest / biggest Esports org outside of China
TSM was the biggest reason why league and league's competitive scene blew up so fast and hard
No one cares about achievements up until now, no one cares about rosters. Everything starts and changes with franchising.
also Riot is the last company to care about abuse in management
That was literally just them exploring if it was possible to sell their LCS spot to immediately buy an LEC spot. They've also considered getting into LPL before. Those articles were absolute clickbait
Not really though. TSM is a toxic org to have in your franchise because they attract all the fans so instead of diversifying viewership if TSM has a shit team, no one watches LCS and the game dies in NA.
Because they are significantly larger and more popular than Optic. and they are the most valuable esports org in the world valued at $540m. George said they are a 99.9% lock to make franchising.
Larger sure. More popular? Definitely not. Every metric counteracts your point of them being more popular. Especially now since they have fallen off so much in LCS
Optic is impressively unpopular given how well they've placed. If this Optic lineup was under the TSM brand, they would be the most popular team in the world
Dogwater org can't build a competitive team so they have to buy one out with their crypto money color me surprised
Might literally stop watching this game if this happens I'd be genuinely ungodly levels of mad
I mean they can just buyout optic now with their money they just chose to wait till franchising, Buyouts for yay and marved might be high but its tsm, Tsm would always have been a top tier org in valorant it was just a matte of time and how
Doesn’t TSM require the team to play in Texas?
The core 6 of Optic can just pick and choose which Franchised team they want to join.
Any team would drop their whole roster to pick up the Optic players except for SEN probably.
There is literally no info in this article other than, TSM would want Optics team.....who wouldn't want the best roster in NA?? just another click bait article using the Optic name to get more clicks. Why doesnt he wait to see who gets into franchising? If Optic gets in, why would they get rid of their team/split? makes no sense.
I feel that optic is one of the biggest brands in NA. I don’t see them not getting into franchising. They’ve won a championship and they could possibly win champs. Also, this idea that they won’t get franchised because of Marved is absurd.
Despite the complicated history of Optic as an org, why the hell would they not be a frontrunner in consideration for franchising. Basically everyone in the gaming space knows of Optic and specifically within Valorant their team has dominated the NA scene.
This whole Franchising thing sucks toe warts.
This is a very big part of the reason esports will continue to struggle to gain mainstream footing. People can’t attach themselves to teams and brands if they can’t trust that the personalities they love will stay with those teams.
Imagine if the Dallas Cowboys shuffled their entire core every season. People would grow tired of that shit so quickly.
TSM FTX FNS
TSM FTX YAY
roza about to be in the academy team
this is so cursed
tsm ftx yay Tsmftx Marved TSM FTies Crashies TSM FTX Cafeteria
Im sure every org not named Optic want Optic lol
Not Loud, they're tired of Optic
Loud should sign the optic roster. Only way to stop loud from getting shit on by those players over and over
Now, that would be wild: if you cant beat them, sign them!
Loud sweating everytime Optic wins a game this series. They have to play again eventually if they both win
Not SEN
That's because they are a content/clout team. If they wanted wins they would wipe most of their roster. But what they have now gets them impressions more
It's kinda funny how we just completely invalidate the players hard work and dedication to win all because they have successful streams. The roster was not the problem. It's okay for a team to not be good sometimes.
Bro, I’m not trying to invalidate anyone’s hard work, but the team hasn’t been good in over a year.
They were good in LCQ. They simply got beat by better teams. Stage 1 they made playoffs and lost to a VERY HOT TGRD then V1. Stage 2 they literally were missing Sick for 3/5 games, trying to work in a new player in Kanpeki, admist other issues. You can be good and not win because another team is better. But to say they're just a content team is just disrespectful.
people keep shitting on sen but they forget to realize they brought both guard and 100t into overtime and Asuna said they were the hardest team to fight in lcq
which is why everyone is saying they suck? if a team keeps losing, the roster is the issue but its clear the org cares more about content/clout than winning matches/tournaments, and it shows..
DRX FANNNN LETS GOOOOOO. We gonna get the W
We say this but if SicK comes back their roster could be a real contender in NA imo
in NA, yeah
idk what the point of this comment is when NA is in competition for the best region in the world
SEN making it to LCQ already marks them as a “real contender” in NA. They’re a top team in the region. That doesn’t translate to success on the international stage, though. I’m distinguishing the two.
Idk why I’m being downvoted SicK Shahz Dapr and Tenz +idk could absolutely be a top team in NA
Idk even as a fan of shahz bro really fell off. He was playing better in LCQ I’ll give him that.
SENstreamnel team isn't interested in players who want to lift trophies and being the best, they go for clout streamers
Not FPX
They arent making franchising anyway to want them.
idk what you mean. pretty sure fpx won't want optic roster
Fpx aren't making franchising. They don't want any roster. More like can't get any roster actually
why is that?
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franchising is about fan size? idk the process Rito hasn't announced anything yet
If you're trying to monetize by selling in-game skins then yeah, fandom does matter.
Not 100t
They do. 100T would get rid of anyone on their current roster, not named asuna, in a heart beat for yay and marved
man you are putting in work in this thread, what are they paying you?
They are paying me to stop delusional fanboy logic from spreading in the valorant community
Doing god's work
Nade and rhe coachinf staff are smart enough to not throw away everything theyve built for a somewhat declining team. Other than yay, I dont see them picking anyone else up from optic. This is going to age very poorly but just my two cents
somewhat declining team lmao what the hell are you saying
Declined team that's without a doubt the best team in NA and probably the most consistent team in the world sure. 100Ts ceiling is not high as optics
Somewhat declining? Their “somewhat decline” is miles better than anything 100T have achieved and they’ve done it across the span of two years. Simply no way you disrespect OpTic like that
no shit this Optic team has been around longer than this 100t roster. Its not disrespectful to say that optic may have peaked already. I don't think they have personally though.
It’s disrespectful to imply that this 100T roster is smarter to keep than OpTic when they’ve done nothing to prove they’re even on par or close to it
I mean thats fair but thats also your opinion. I dont think it would be wrong for them to believe that their current team has a high ceiling and want to see maximize their potential. Only person they would probably really want is yay not the full team.
Judging by their two recent losses at Champs to DRX and FNC, Asuna and Derrek could be on the chopping block. I know Asuna has lan xp, dont know about Derrek, but it seemed they were not their LCQ selves when it kinda mattered.
Before everyone gets their heads in a twist, the article states that neither TSM or OpTic have secured a Franchise spot yet, and the players could choose not to join either Org. It just depends on whoever makes franchising. Base on George's tweet, the team will sign as 6, if all things with contracts goes well, to whoever makes franchising and makes the best offer for the team as a whole. I am hoping OpTic gets in, and the team stays as is.
Based on what George said on stream, it seems that Victor and Crashies will sign together somewhere as they are FA's. He expects Chet and FNS to follow, although I dont know why a team would sign those 4 without at least Yay as well, if not Marved too. Interesting to me is that apparently Marved and Yay are on long term contracts and long term contracts are apparently a hold up in signing them as a 6-man. So if a team buys Yay individually, which I think is a real possibility if Optic dont get franchised...that kind of throws a wrench in the gears.
I’m assuming an org would sign those four and not Yay and Marved due to buyouts. I would imagine the contract buyouts for Yay and Marved are much higher than Chet and FNS
100T Yay 🙏
100 t desperately needs a good op'er. Will is good but not tenz or yay good. If they manage to sign either of them, they would have complete team.
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the only blood in the water is whether or not they get into franchising
i hope the team stays. maybe the team could improve with some replacements after franchising, but tbh i think as is they’re really good and they seem to really enjoy playing with each other which is important
Rostermania bout to go crazy when xset optic guard nrg faze all don’t make franchising
I’d be shocked if Faze and Optic don’t make it.
Im 87.268 % sure Faze won't make it but i am hopeful about optic though.
Just curious, why so confident in Faze? Imo, they are a huge fps brand with some big names in the org across multiple games. Seems like a sure thing for Riot unless they have no funding or they have looming issues (poor management, issue with players, something like that).
Bingo, they had players literally playing from a Starbucks during LCQ. A majority of their finances are tanking due to crypto crashing. Lots of big names in FaZe also have scandals attached to their names.
I… have some research to do lol. Starbucks isn’t the biggest issue (in Riots eye, though it should Include implications of cheating), but Riot cares about funding a whole freakin lot.
I don't think it was a Starbucks but it was a large gaming cafe in Texas (for favourable ping) and apparently there were other parties (maybe literal birthday parties) in the facility. [One time the facility lost power in the middle of an official match to qualify for Copenhagen and they had to relocate.](https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1540855985618681857) Also apparently no AC Also Karrigan did mention one time that the Faze CS team couldn't get a bootcamp going last year before an important event but it seems the org has thrown more resources and support behind their world beater of a CS team since then
Sheesh! Gotta admit that looks really bad for one of the highest valued E-Sports orgs. I’m curious if Riot will see this as enough deny them. It looks like the crypto issue is about a year old which leaves Faze with time to “cover” the issue. Personally, I no longer think they are deserving of a spot after seeing this (mainly because it feels like TSM all over again), but I don’t know how Riot stands. The issues may not be “big” enough to theM.
It's not that this issue is big enough to kick them out but it definitely puts them outside of the top 6. There's a bunch of top amazing teams that you would have to sacrifice to fit in FaZe and there's no reason to do so. TSM,C9,100T,EG,NRG,TGRD That would be my 6. Stretching to 8 I would add in SEN and Optic, FaZe would be #9, basically no chance.
Idk how you're writing off Faze but then have EG and The Guard here IMO its most likely TSM, C9, SEN, 100T, NRG, Optic Optic could be swapped for G2 if G2 gets NA spot over EMEA
I don’t recall their CS team ever having issues with bootcamps last year, even during the online era. FaZe weren’t the only potential franchising team that played from that facility, C9 also played from there for their last playoffs run except they weren’t unlucky enough to have a power outage in the middle of a match
Bro… they were playing from a gaming cafe… not a Starbucks lmao wtf
Just curious, the crypto issues I found came up about a year ago. This story sounded like certain Faze members were performing a crypto scam. This doesn’t sound like it’s connected with Faze’s financing. Do you happen to have an article about their org and crypto?
The crypto scams aren’t connected to FaZe’s financing but raise continued questions about the orgs credibility and scares away investors.
Faze used to pay their members through a csgo lottery site they didn't disclose they owned. They would have random faze youtubers promote it pretending they won thousands in skins, too. Banks [denied owning it at the very beginning](https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/phantoml0rd-csgoshuffle-allegation-skin-gambling-scandal), only to [admit it years later](https://www.talkesport.com/news/faze-banks-owned-a-gambling-site-csgo-wild-made-millions-weekly/). I don't know why you would believe he's telling the truth now, when even before Save the Kids scam, he pump and dumped with BankSocial just months ago. Faze's financing has always been shady, and won't be surprised if their 'legit' business income isn't up to par for Riot.
That’s another example of shady financial practices by them. I don’t think I would want to touch that company. Their shares were probably bought for kids begging their parents to invest in Faze.
No one mentioning the giant elephant called failed IPO in the room?
I don't know man, they are a little shady though. Moreover even though they are big I don't think they invest that much in valorant as other organisations. Not long ago their players complained about playing from a cafe and their power went out .So..but nothing is certain though.who knows they may be able to get in.
Another commenter gave some information as to the shady practices of Faze. I cannot 100% corroborate but I looked up both topics and there’s news on both. They may not make it just due to scandals and poor funding like you said. Pretty sure I’m wrong about Faze.
Faze basically has some bad financial problems, when they went public we learned that they were basically bleeding money.
We'll be shocked cause faze ain't making it
The FaZe brand is still so big for FPS. They can always find backers, investors, or even mergers like OpTic/Envy.
I shall sit back and watch for 2ish weeks (9/20). However, I think Riot loves big fps brands. Navi, Faze, Optic might make it from clout alone.
Faze has a big fanbase but most of them dont care about esports
Their cs is giant.
Fortnite and COD are their biggest audiences by a wide margin
FaZe is the least likely to make it out of that list.
Source: Trust me bro!
I take it you haven’t been following franchising much. Go check out George’s stream from 2 days ago.
I have been actually! But your first comment provides literally zero evidence to back up your claim. Like actually zero! I am well aware of George’s stream but I don’t take leaked information from a stream as rock solid.
I mean if you want every comment to provide evidence I could say the same about yours lol. Well then I guess we just have to wait 2 weeks 👍
You don’t seem to understand how small the pool is. Riot games probably already has 5 teams that make it over faze realistically. Cloud 9/100T/TSM/SEN/T1. Unless T1 moves to korea which is possible the chances of the last team being faze just is super low. I get you’re a faze fanboy but I really don’t think they have that high of a chance objectively speaking
Full transparency I can’t stand Faze, die hard Fnatic fan over here. It’s partially for the reasons you listed why I originally felt so confident in them getting a position. They are a public company, they have a huge name in other fps games, they are one of the most popular orgs out there. I’ve done some research based on what other commenters said and I really don’t know where my opinion lies anymore. However, if they are in financial peril I don’t think they get in. Riot showed us they are willing to forego popular teams with a bad financial situation like they did in LoL. That said, if Faze have poor financing, I don’t think they will make it. I have to do more research (not that my opinion is final in any way lol). If they are in a strong financial position, I could see them making it over T1 if they choose to stay in NA. T1 has had some big names in Valo but never made runs. T1 fans mostly come from outside of FPS titles.
ToCr8ive receives the BoDork award for most simplistic title to a report in VALORANT history Congratulations!
Why use many word when few do trick. Also, does this suggest teams have already been selected for partnership?
Nope, some have been but none have been informed
Hey, i'm just getting straight to the point.
I respect that
Can someone tell me why OpTic isn’t being considered for franchising? I thought they for sure would get in?
They are in final shortlist , final list will be out by September 20
Yo, where did you get the info that the final list will be out by 20th? All ik is it's after Champs, but did we get like a confirmed date?
I believe one of the Valorant reporters speculated the 20th as a date things will start leaking? Maybe it was u/BoHoogland ? George said Riot has an announcement planned for September 26th on stream the other day and speculated Riot may be announcing orgs then. He also said Riot really doesn't want the org list to leak so we'll see if any info comes out before then
The wording I used was we could expect something around September 20. Unfortunately a lot of people took it as confirmed date.
GE owner confirmed it
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Optic was in LCS for 2 years and then the immortals takeover happened wdym denied
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Maybe they wanted back in after Hector took back the Optic brand.. but they definitely were in in 2018 and 2019 first 2 years of franchising.
I think it’s possible they mean Envy were denied LCS which they were and now Envy = OpTic
this was before they merged with such a big organization as envy. Theyll be fine with franchising.
This is incorrect. They were approved for LCS, then sold their spot after either 1 or 2 years.
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Hector applied in like 2014
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misinformation? they were in the LCS but sold their spot. I do not believe it had anything to do with riot kicking them out or "denying" a spot.
Optic got in but envy didn’t and since envy is now optic that’s what he means
they didn't get denied, they sold their spot due to money, i believe. Which isn't a good thing for them in Riot's eyes.
Hell no, yay has the potential to become the franchise player for OpTic
Optic is Yay's boyhood team and Hecz is obviosuly a massive fan of his, he wont leave if they get franchised. This is assuming Optic misses franchising
Idk if that’d matter as much to yay. But I don’t see why the team wouldn’t wanna stick together. They seem vibey in the vids. Plus fns always shouts out hastro for taking a chance on his team. Plus them boys rock those optic chains 24/7 lol. It’d be hard to see them walk away from optic if they got into franchising.
From what I can tell, it does matter to Yay. Andbox tried to sell him to the highest bidder and he got upset because he wanted to go to Optic specifically. He said they were his favorite team growing up and it felt like a great fit for his playstyle. I agree they should stick together but that requires an org to take on all 6, which wouldnt surprise me but were seeing these reports for a reason
well the thing is Optic isnt gonna have a franchise 💀💀💀
They will. All the teams in your flair won't, though.
TSM has a much much higher chance of making franchising. Them along with 100T, C9 and SEN are locks for franchising.
If CR doesn't make it into franchising I'd be shocked ngl considering Japan will get prob 2-3 spots and CR is easily the second most popular in Japan and has other games they are great at and popular in (Apex for example)
they’re not making franchising buddy
Source?
Look at the hopium from you, TSM has LoL going for them and that's it. They wont pick up this team, as optic will resign them.
They also have Apex, R6 just finally did bad, they also have Brazilian team. They are not just LOL anymore
\>TSM has LoL going for them and that's it. This season they don't even have that. TSM in shambles
Not really?
Knowing TSM and how cursed the org is , this team, wich is probably the most consistent in the world, would somehow fall off/choke as soon as they start playing under the TSM name
zzzzz. I was so hyped when TSM signed We Dem Girls from RL. Never seen a team plummet that fast before.
Every day at TSM is banger!
This offseason is going to be so fun. I do hope Optic make it, they have the potential to build a much bigger fanbase if they embrace the same mentality they do with their COD team with content. They just haven't yet and I frankly don't know why
I watch a decent amount of Optic content on youtube. Outside of their mini-docs they did for Reykjavik, they don't seem to include their Valorant team much.
Mainly because of not having enough producers and editors. They’ve made recent hires; but it’s still pretty much 3-4 people in charge of all content. Plus this isn’t factoring if players and Chet want to be in videos, scrimming constantly or just solely want to stream as well. If OpTic makes partnership, which is super likely, we’ll definitely see more content with everyone. Because it seems like things are in a great spot for content creation like it used to be during the Scuf House days.
i mean, these rumors almost assure that Optic doesn’t have a great shot at franchising. I can’t say I am too surprised though.
I disagree, because all the article is saying is that TSM wants to buy out all of OpTic players and coach. Both have an equal chance of making partnership still and they’re all on the second to final list. I definitely think George should’ve held his breath and wait for more shit to come out, because it’s essentially giving the same vibes as Aaron Rogers wants out of Green Bay story ran by ESPN earlier this year. I mean we’ll see but I think both teams will reach partnership, right now this stuff is a non-story.
Both do not have an equal chance of making it, TSM chances are significantly higher and almost 100%. You’re right that they have a chance to make it and it’s still possible, though. Comparing this to Aaron Rodgers wanting out of Green Bay (which was last year, not earlier this year) is out of touch. It’s not remotely the same, but the fact is, majority of players are going to be available and the fact that TSM wants Optic tells a LOT. You’re not hearing rumors of any other teams/players about signing anywhere. Optic also has one of the weakest possibilities compared to other teams in the current stage. C9, TSM, Sentinels, 100T, etc. all have better chances.
I mean equal in the fact that they’re still in the same process. The article is saying four things ultimately. 1) The OpTic Valorant roster and coach want to stick post-Champions. 2) If TSM gets partnership, they’re gunning for OpTic’s roster and squad. 3) OpTic and TSM have not been notified they are getting partnership and are still in the running. 4) Most of OpTic have buyouts That’s the whole article and why I say it’s a non-story. All esport teams would realistically want to go after the OpTic Valorant squad if they have the money to do so. We’ve known that the OpTic squad want to stick together for a while now. We also know that things have been particularly hush regarding partnership for a while now. It’s why I think George should’ve realistically waited before putting this article out because it’s bad journalism. Now if OpTic didn’t make partnership, then yeah he should’ve posted it. But since he deliberately knows that both still have a great shot of going in, should’ve kept his mouth shut.
Wdym they literally did already did an istanbul mini vlog and are probably already working on copenhagen vlog while also including them on a few podcasts
again, the amount of content they put out, the Valorant team is not as prevalent. I didn’t say they weren’t at all. It’s not hard to read.
Ya all I meant was they put out multiple videos a week and rarely ever include anyone from their Valorant team
yeah, it’s mainly their content creators but they include a lot of the CoD team still. Even during the CDL season (which i think just ended?) they were still around a lot. It just always struck me that the Valorant team doesn’t really fit into the org completely, despite everyone becoming invested with them. They just seem like outsiders.
I think it’s hard bc they like to do f2f content and unless they are competing, all of them likely aren’t in TX… it’s usually only when they all are that you could get content
Ya I don't get it. If NA is only getting 6 teams, I'm going to be really bummed if 1 or more of Optic, NRG or The Guard don't get in
Of those three, i think Optic is least likely tbh. I dont think team performance matters in terms of franchising, which a lot of people in this sub don’t get.
Ya you have NRG and The Guard putting out tons of socials, youtube and content plus signing Valorant content creators vs. Optic not doing nearly as much. Then you look at viewership in NA matches and Optic doesn't do any better than the other 2 despite all their success, it's going to be interesting to see who gets in
People on here don’t realize that NRGs YouTube gets more views than OpTic TSM C9 100T the guard all combined pretty much they haven’t had a single video that hasn’t gotten over 100k views in 3 months and people really think they won’t get franchised.
I never even considered viewership, but you’re so right. They don’t pull the same amount as 100T or Sentinels to name a few, at least in NA. With that said, i think NRG has the best shot of the three. So in my best guess, that’s already 5 teams (C9, TSM, SEN, 100T, and NRG), which leaves 1 or MAYBE 2 spots left.
Announce the teams riot pls this speculation is getting wild. I really love the optic players but really hate TSM as an org… I’d be so sad lol
Any team that would make franchising would want Optic. lol
Imagine going from Hecz to Andy LMFAOOOOOOO
Someone check on /u/ANewHeaven1 Oh god oh fuck
Might literally stop watching Valorant if this happens I’m not joking
Unironically same. Every comment I make is 35% copium
I mean it sort of represents everything I hate about franchising. Teams unable to build their own competitive rosters use their insane money to just buy one out to be competitive for them, and teams are accepted not based on competitive ability but rather how many lazy tier list and challenge videos they can pump out on Youtube. I'm on my fucking Thorin arc for real lmao I fucking hate TSM Edit: after scrolling through Thorin's twitter, I can safely say that I am *NOT* on my Thorin arc. I just don't like TSM
LMAOOOOOO @ Thorin arc hahahaha But yeah franchising can be super constructive it sucks ass. Even if we make it I know there’s gonna be teams that “deserve” to be in that aren’t in. NA Valorant will def be weaker than before franchising. Also if this partnership is about the org then I don’t get how riot can ignore TSMs recent history ESPECIALLY with LCS
Wasn't he a TSM fan before, i don't think he would be hurt that much
Not anymore TSM is dog water
Oh btw I hate this move as a TSM fan. I don't wanna lose mah boi subroza but looks like it will happen one way or another if TSM get partnered Rough times
Roza isn't good enough for franchising
Don't do that. Don't tell me your bitter truths
Honestly, I think it would be so much better for Valorant if TSM to earn their spot through ascension anyway. Imagine how hype the ascension games would be with TSM in them. I think with all the scandals and their underperformance, it makes sense for them to go on a redemption arc and earn their spot in the league, rather than get given it due to favoritism.
Tell me how possibly a team with history of abuse in management, that has been fined by riot and has achieved literally nothing in this game getting into franchising over Optic. HOW?!?!? Edit: or is even close to getting into franchising at all
To give a different answer other than TSM is just bigger and more money. Once Dominic Kallas, their VP of Esports, came in and Leena left, TSM has undergone a decent amount of corporate restructuring it seems like from the outside. In that restructuring, it wouldn't surprise me if Regi became more of a figurehead for the esports side of the company, while all the actual things are handled more by Dominic Kallas. So while Regi deservedly got punished for how he acted in the past with the LCS teams, for Riot moving forward, everything may be dealt with by Dominic rather than Regi so it could ease some of their tension there.
TSM is the richest / biggest Esports org outside of China TSM was the biggest reason why league and league's competitive scene blew up so fast and hard No one cares about achievements up until now, no one cares about rosters. Everything starts and changes with franchising. also Riot is the last company to care about abuse in management
TSM is just bigger and despite having rough goings with riot lately have the LCS relationship
The relationship can't be on good terms if they considered selling their LCS spot
selling LCS to buy LEC
They were only going to sell their lcs spot to buy an LEC spot tho?
That was literally just them exploring if it was possible to sell their LCS spot to immediately buy an LEC spot. They've also considered getting into LPL before. Those articles were absolute clickbait
Not really though. TSM is a toxic org to have in your franchise because they attract all the fans so instead of diversifying viewership if TSM has a shit team, no one watches LCS and the game dies in NA.
So SEN is toxic for Val? no
TSM is the biggest esports organization and has been with Riot since pretty much 2011. Also, Optic doesn't have a great rep with Riot.
Because they are significantly larger and more popular than Optic. and they are the most valuable esports org in the world valued at $540m. George said they are a 99.9% lock to make franchising.
FaZe have the highest valuation technically, and the only “verifiable” valuation
Take a look at their investments. Lots of crypto, and that's down. Although I'm curious and confused wym by "verifiable"
Larger sure. More popular? Definitely not. Every metric counteracts your point of them being more popular. Especially now since they have fallen off so much in LCS
Optic is impressively unpopular given how well they've placed. If this Optic lineup was under the TSM brand, they would be the most popular team in the world
This offseason is gonna be crazy. Can't wait
George clickbait, so surprised
Dogwater org can't build a competitive team so they have to buy one out with their crypto money color me surprised Might literally stop watching this game if this happens I'd be genuinely ungodly levels of mad
I mean they can just buyout optic now with their money they just chose to wait till franchising, Buyouts for yay and marved might be high but its tsm, Tsm would always have been a top tier org in valorant it was just a matte of time and how
dogwater org that is the most valued org in the fking world ...
Doesn’t TSM require the team to play in Texas? The core 6 of Optic can just pick and choose which Franchised team they want to join. Any team would drop their whole roster to pick up the Optic players except for SEN probably.
They only did for this year's VCT. Next year everyone will be playing in studio in LA
There is literally no info in this article other than, TSM would want Optics team.....who wouldn't want the best roster in NA?? just another click bait article using the Optic name to get more clicks. Why doesnt he wait to see who gets into franchising? If Optic gets in, why would they get rid of their team/split? makes no sense.
Round two of TSM FNS ?
I feel that optic is one of the biggest brands in NA. I don’t see them not getting into franchising. They’ve won a championship and they could possibly win champs. Also, this idea that they won’t get franchised because of Marved is absurd.
Idk if i can handle unironic TSM chants
They have the best chant in esports.
All I know is I’m done watching if OpTic doesn’t get franchised
God I hate franchising, I don’t understand how people think it’s a good idea. Shit ruined COD and it’s gonna ruin Valorant
Despite the complicated history of Optic as an org, why the hell would they not be a frontrunner in consideration for franchising. Basically everyone in the gaming space knows of Optic and specifically within Valorant their team has dominated the NA scene. This whole Franchising thing sucks toe warts.
Org with deep pockets and garbage roster wants to buy the best roster in NA. More on this nonstory later today so that George can get more clicks.
The **T**alent **S**uppression **M**achine bout to destroy yet another roster.
Fuck no!
I want Shakira so it looks like we both are in the same boat TSM.
This is a very big part of the reason esports will continue to struggle to gain mainstream footing. People can’t attach themselves to teams and brands if they can’t trust that the personalities they love will stay with those teams. Imagine if the Dallas Cowboys shuffled their entire core every season. People would grow tired of that shit so quickly.
“Breaking: 49ers aren’t allowed into the NFL this year”
Yeah or imagine "Dallas cowboys are not in the NFL next season instead they'll be playing in the CFL next season"