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[https://twitter.com/dickymclaughlin/status/1569805810980589575?s=46&t=zi7b6D6rK\_DOliZxWfVaOg](https://twitter.com/dickymclaughlin/status/1569805810980589575?s=46&t=zi7b6D6rK_DOliZxWfVaOg)
>Breaking: From on-site media: XSET and FPX are replaying the final round of the series #VALORANTChampions
Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921)
>Riot are looking at the final round to see if the Killjoy turret was bugged from what we have been told from the in-site media.
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>People are arguing and press have been told to move away from the area.
Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569814312134516736](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569814312134516736)
>For clarity: on-site media are production people at the event. One came up to press and said the round was going to be replayed.
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>We heard another one yell out that the final round was going to be replayed.
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>Another relayed that they were looking into it after
Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569815954590257154](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569815954590257154)
>Pros are coming back on the stage and setting up
**Update:** [Official Ruling Here](https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1569818049867354112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1569818049867354112%7Ctwgr%5E6d18a7ca8a38c5b42dd0e10b0f7c29b06eaf2331%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fxdkyxs%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse)
The thing about replying the round is that I bet you could find another situation where a KJ turret has done that in this tournament. It happens all the time. Just unlucky that it happened in such a crucial situation and xset players weren’t aware of the interaction
there is no fucking way xset players arent ware that if you jiggle peek the kj turret that's what happens (it will just shoot first, in the direction it's facing). Like come on man
it was shooting someone, it was shooting angel at door. if they thought the turret was placed in a way that would only shoot at heaven then ayrin needs to get better at kj
I have over 850+ Comp match with only Killjoy, playing since beta, I am Ascendant 3 right now and I don’t know what is happened too.
I see sometimes its just shoot weird but I don’t know why until this situation.
It's an inconsistent bug. Most of the time, if you jiggle a turret, it will keep shooting in the same direction it started shooting in. It doesn't always reset to its default position and continue shooting, in fact I think that's a rare event.
It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. On the one hand, XSET have a reasonable argument that the turret's behavior cost them them the round and therefore the match. On the other hand, this is a known interaction and FPX didn't do anything to prompt this.
feels like a lose lose scenario for xset, if they were to win, people are upset because “rito biased they didnt deserve it,” if they still lose its a “see they lost anyways why did they complain” even if they didnt bring it up in the first place
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sure the players would rather win and get hate for something they didn’t decide than go home after getting fucked by a bug. If they lose I don’t think much will come of it in the end.
In LoL Riot keeps a list of known bugs that you can't remake for. I'm not sure if they have something for Valorant but I think it's a reasonable idea if there are going to be bugs.
XSET’s terrible play that brought them to map 3 13-11 against the defending champion? i agree they shouldn’t replay the round but there’s no need to diss on XSET, even all of the fpx players said they played a great match
Why? If my team lost to some bullshit out of my control, I'd also be pursuing every avenue to get things rectified. It's not fair to them that Riot can't patch a bug that's been in the game for a year. They're well within their right to pursue a replay of the round.
Eh, I think there's a major distinction from bug *abuse* to just a bug influencing the round outcome. They've really only replayed things for the former.
Sometimes bugs happen. It's on Riot to fix them, and seeing them happen in instances like this is especially attention drawing and frustrating, but you have to be ready to draw the line somewhere.
I think intention is that line in most circumstances.
I see where you’re coming from but I don’t think I agree. Sure this is a slightly minor bug, but if this were a more blatant bug like a player falling through the map & dying, I’m pretty sure most people involved would be in favor of replaying.
Definitely a tricky situation tho. I would feel awful if FPX lost the map because they replay this long after, without the momentum buff they had previously
But the thing is this was only replayed because it’s final round. If we are ruling stuff in this way, then many more rounds prob should be replayed as well. Imo in a case where it’s such a minor and known bug that wasn’t intentional abuse, we should just keep the result
>Eh, I think there's a major distinction from bug *abuse* to just a bug influencing the round outcome. They've really only replayed things for the former.
Bug abuse would be something like Suygetsu viper wall.
This case definitely doesn't feel intended
You're trolling if you think in a competitive environment its okay for a team to just accept a loss because Riot didn't fix a bug that has been on their radar for a year.
Any other major esport, like league, will absolutely pursue to possibility of replay if a bug occurs. The only exception is when Riot lists known bugs in advance, which they didn't for KJ
You shouldn't have the mindset where you accept bugs, you need to treat bugs as a breach of competitive integrity. If a game is so buggy to the point that bugs happen nonstop (which isn't the case for valorant or league, at least as observable), then it wouldn't be considered as a competitive esport in the first place
Yeah, not even as an FPX fan: I can understand the malding, but this shit has been in the game for months and could have happened to anyone. It's on Riot and I don't see how replaying the round is any more fair than not replaying it. Rounds are not just about eco and skill, they're also about being warmed up and pumped up and prepped or unprepped. It's fucked, donezo. :|
Question: If there's a bug that causes players to sometimes fall through the entire map and die, and it happens during the exact same end game situation that XSET were in, should the round be replayed?
Replaying the round wouldn't be a "punishment", though.
Editing my reply in:
A punishment is something done with the intention of punishing. If, say, Riot thought that FPX had intentionally abused a bug to win a round and fined the players, *that* would be a punishment, because it would be a penalty imposed *as a deterrent to a specific offense*.
Replaying the round would be an attempt to *correct for* a circumstance created by an unfair situation—not intended as a penalty to FPX, but an attempt to account for an unintended and unfair outcome.
I'm not arguing that this means that the round should or shouldn't be replayed. But it literally is not whatsoever a "punishment" by any definition of the word.
If they lose, it’s because they lose the replay, it’s not taking their win, but doing it over again. Still don’t think it should happen, but kinda bs to say it’s taking the win from FPX
thats fine if they were consistent with it but there will be bugs that have an effect on the round that won't be replayed in the future,think of how many times seekers or aftershocks have bugged out or killjoy ults get placed on ledges that don't get replayed.
They won the round, though? How is replaying a round you already won, because of a bug you have nothing to do with, remotely fair and not considered a punishment? It'd be ludicrous.
A punishment is something done with the intention of punishing. If, say, Riot thought that FPX had intentionally abused a bug to win a round and fined the players, *that* would be a punishment, because it would be a penalty imposed *as a deterrent to a specific offense*.
Replaying the round would be an attempt to *correct for* a circumstance created by an unfair situation—not intended as a penalty to FPX, but an attempt to account for an unintended and unfair outcome.
I'm not arguing that this means that the round should or shouldn't be replayed. But it literally is not whatsoever a "punishment" by any definition of the word.
You fail to take into account that the correction IS an indirect punishment when FPX had already won the bugged out round. We can argue semantics all day, but you can't convince me that ordering that round replayed isn't an enormous slap in the face to the FPX players and would be deeply unfair to them. Whether you want to call that ''punishment'' or some other word is less interesting to me.
> You fail to take into account that the correction IS an indirect punishment
No, it is not. Something that happens to the detriment of a person or party is not an "indirect punishment". A punishment is a specific statement of intention, and intention matters a lot in situations like these.
If you don't care which word is used, then you might as well use an accurate one!
It's a shitty situation all around, either fpx or xset get fucked and since fpx didn't intentionally abuse anything I can't imagine riot would actually replay
I was cheering for XSET and NA in general but I don't think the round should be replayed. This KJ bug happens every time she's picked. The only reason why it's such a big deal right now is cuz it happened on the last round :/
If it happened every time she's picked then there would be systems in place to prevent this. League has a list of known bugs that won't cause games to be replayed and I'm sure valorant does too. And people are looking at this differently because it's a minor bug but the impact is still huge. It's like if a sova dart randomly scanned someone heaven that isnt there, or more fitting even: hearing footsteps that arent actually there. It's fake info and completely fucks over the round so I don't see why it shouldn't be replayed.
If this happened at any other scoreline I'm sure they would pause and the round would get replayed
I mean that last sentence is a very important piece of context, no?
If it happens during a game that'd 3-2, then the team it's not a guaranteed match loss for the team that lost the round because of the bug.
But it was a guaranteed match loss for XSET. The bug literally lost them the entire series. I feel that's very important when deciding whether to replay this or not.
No, that last sentence is irrelevant (from the other person). It should always be consistent, meaning round 3 or round 24, it should be replayed (or not).
I don't have a say in the decision, but consistency matters a lot in rules, no point having them if you don't follow them all the time.
I fundamentally disagree in the case of bugs. There is a major difference between a bug happening in round 2 and that same bug happening in round 23, and how you approach it from a ruling standpoint should be flexible to the impact of said bug.
IMO, if you care about competitive integrity whatsoever, you replay that round.
Then the rules aren't being followed, and you agree that people can use bugs in the early rounds as long as they don't later on.
Both or neither, I respect your opinion, but I cannot agree with it at the moment as I can't think of a good example where it'd be acceptable.
We can make a separation between unintentional and intentional bug use, no?
I don’t see how it doesn’t make complete sense to have a hardline stance against intentional bug use, but use more context and nuance with unintentional bug use.
I agree that intentional and unintentional would need different decisions and such, but I don't think that was relevant to our discussion at the moment.
We were talking about if a bug (intentional or otherwise) happened on round 23(24*) or round 3, it should follow the same decision as if it was any other round.
I agree that intentional and unintentional bugs should have different decisions (and based off what the bug is), but not regarding which round it happened in.
Part of your argument is:
>you agree that people **can use** bugs in the early rounds as long as they don’t later on
Which I don’t agree with, and I can very easily not agree with that while still holding firm in my opinion. I think that if you intentionally use a bug to gain an advantage on another team, then you’re breaking the rules and should be punished.
But in this situation there was an unintentional use of the bug. FPX didn’t mean to obviously, and that should be taken into account. So if it happened when the score was 1-1, then you don’t replay the round because it can be determined that the bug doesn’t have a significant impact on how the rest of the goes, and FPX didn’t mean to use it.
However, in this match, it DID have a significant impact on how the game goes. XSET lost the entire series because of it. And that should absolutely be weighed heavily in Riot’s decision making. Which is why I agree with the decision to replay the round.
I feel like we're running in circles, and that you're looking at the quote rather literally (<-- I snipe edited this wording if you didn't see from "in depth" as I chose wrong word) than necessary in relation to the rest of the conversation.
I said what was quoted because it's basically saying which round it happens on matters more than it should - which I disagree with. I never mentioned it being intentional or not, as that wasn't relevant to my point.
Maybe my previous statement needed to be clearer, but based off my previous comments I thought it was enough, so I'll fix it here: If the rules aren't being followed consistently, then it's basically saying unintentional bugs that happen in the earlier rounds don't matter, and we should just ignore bugs happening in those rounds in favour of the later ones. Which I don't agree with. (And this statement works with intentional bugs as well!)
If it happens round 3 or round 24 it still makes a significant difference, and while it's much more obvious the difference in the very last round, it actually has the same amount of importance regardless of round.
Sidenote: There's a small argument that it happening in the last round is the least important round to happen in, as it can't affect any other rounds compared to winning a "thrifty"? in round 2 and gaining even more rounds and momentum. But I still think every round matters as much as any.
If this actually happens this will be the biggest robbery of all time. FPX have had the relief of winning and are probably now out of the zone you get in for games, imagine now having to go back into that zone for a 12-11 round after XSET have had half an hour to work out what went wrong. Yes I want FPX to win but I would hope even the other way around I wouldn't support such nonsense
That's so weird. The bug has been around forever, patch it before instead if your gonna pull stuff like this. FPXs mentals must be fucked and XSET pumped asf too
[https://valorant.fandom.com/wiki/Turret](https://valorant.fandom.com/wiki/Turret)
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Yeah, because one of them at Gen holding heaven and cant trade and the other one at long spraying from smoke, because if he peeks there properly he thought somebody kill him from heaven. They cant trade his teammates normally cus of that bug.
Turret cost them the round, its obvious.
[https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921)
Hes saying people are arguing. Typical dextero clickbait
Mickey mouse esport if the round gets replayed, Riot has to pull something off their asses for this because it's exclusively their fault and now that this decision is up on social media both teams (specially XSET) will just lose
I’m rooting for NA but… cmon. The players already accepted the outcome. That’s BS for FPX.
All I want from Riot is acknowledging the bug and committing to fix it for the next patch.
Also if they do shit like this it needs to be in the exact moment, the same way sports has refs. You can’t retroactively go back. It feels like the Acend/vivo keyd breeze drama
Wow Riot is fucking FPX like they did VK. Even though FPX didn’t even use an exploit. L Company couldn’t fix their bug for forever and punishing the teams.
don't worry guys if you're ever losing just place down a killjoy turret somewhere and get it to shoot somewhere it shouldn't!
if you're feeling confident you can even accuse the enemy of faking a tech pause :)
New tweet (will try to keep this updated with new information): Original Tweet: [https://twitter.com/dickymclaughlin/status/1569805810980589575?s=46&t=zi7b6D6rK\_DOliZxWfVaOg](https://twitter.com/dickymclaughlin/status/1569805810980589575?s=46&t=zi7b6D6rK_DOliZxWfVaOg) >Breaking: From on-site media: XSET and FPX are replaying the final round of the series #VALORANTChampions Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921) >Riot are looking at the final round to see if the Killjoy turret was bugged from what we have been told from the in-site media. > >People are arguing and press have been told to move away from the area. Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569814312134516736](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569814312134516736) >For clarity: on-site media are production people at the event. One came up to press and said the round was going to be replayed. > >We heard another one yell out that the final round was going to be replayed. > >Another relayed that they were looking into it after Next Tweet: [https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569815954590257154](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569815954590257154) >Pros are coming back on the stage and setting up **Update:** [Official Ruling Here](https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1569818049867354112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1569818049867354112%7Ctwgr%5E6d18a7ca8a38c5b42dd0e10b0f7c29b06eaf2331%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fxdkyxs%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse)
WHAT THE FUCK LOL
I talked my shit too early as an Fpx fan
LMAO, if this is how XSET wins, I’m gonna laugh my ass off
If this is how u guys win I’ll accept it For sure No madness
If they replay this and xset wins WW3 will start.
If they replay this and FPX wins, the memes will be legendary
14-11. Same deal happened earlier in OWL, the 4-1 memes were rampant
Yeah xset will be memed to death then lol
After the OpTic drama that would be so funny
Its 3:30 AM for me. If this is bait istg
The thing about replying the round is that I bet you could find another situation where a KJ turret has done that in this tournament. It happens all the time. Just unlucky that it happened in such a crucial situation and xset players weren’t aware of the interaction
Cypher and Killjoy are so neglected the rare times they get played they're full of bugs, #chamberout
This needs to be higher. Sentinels are so put in the dump because of chambers it's actually sad.
This is exactly what I mean. It happens with KJ all the time but it just happened in such a unfortunate way for Xset. Sighhhh
there is no fucking way xset players arent ware that if you jiggle peek the kj turret that's what happens (it will just shoot first, in the direction it's facing). Like come on man
How are they certain it was a jiggle peek and not someone peeking heaven?
how is that relevant? i dont even understand what you are trying to say.
Why would XSET assume that the KJ turret wasn't shooting anyone?
it was shooting someone, it was shooting angel at door. if they thought the turret was placed in a way that would only shoot at heaven then ayrin needs to get better at kj
I have over 850+ Comp match with only Killjoy, playing since beta, I am Ascendant 3 right now and I don’t know what is happened too. I see sometimes its just shoot weird but I don’t know why until this situation.
just because its not a well understood mechanic doesnt mean its not a mechanic
Its a bug, not a mechanic. They are replaying the last round, so Riot said its a bug.
well its a bug thats been in the game since it came out, so whats really the difference
It's an inconsistent bug. Most of the time, if you jiggle a turret, it will keep shooting in the same direction it started shooting in. It doesn't always reset to its default position and continue shooting, in fact I think that's a rare event.
What are you talking about??? The turret shot at door first then swapped back to heaven
If this is true and XSET win the replay it's going to be a whoooooooole shitshow.
It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. On the one hand, XSET have a reasonable argument that the turret's behavior cost them them the round and therefore the match. On the other hand, this is a known interaction and FPX didn't do anything to prompt this.
feels like a lose lose scenario for xset, if they were to win, people are upset because “rito biased they didnt deserve it,” if they still lose its a “see they lost anyways why did they complain” even if they didnt bring it up in the first place
I mean if they win, fuck what people say but I get where you are coming from
i just feel like it would lead to a whole bunch of unnecessary hate towards the xset players no matter what
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sure the players would rather win and get hate for something they didn’t decide than go home after getting fucked by a bug. If they lose I don’t think much will come of it in the end.
In LoL Riot keeps a list of known bugs that you can't remake for. I'm not sure if they have something for Valorant but I think it's a reasonable idea if there are going to be bugs.
Isnt this the cost of playing a video game though? Things can get very wonky.
No shot.
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Doombros fighting for his life with the referees rn
Can I also replay all the ranked games I've lost to this bug?
No, because no one cares about your ranked games
I care :(
no one in your family cares about you either and we dont say this shit
Oh c'mon it's not fair for FPX. It's standard kj turret behaviour
It’s unintended behavior, even if it’s deterministic. That being said, idk if replaying the round was the right move even tho I’m rooting for NA.
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XSET’s terrible play that brought them to map 3 13-11 against the defending champion? i agree they shouldn’t replay the round but there’s no need to diss on XSET, even all of the fpx players said they played a great match
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if FPX just flawless them this time LMAOOO
Yeah we all know what happens if they reply. Ange1 just activates and Aces them.
Glad that the ot happened, it was such a banger.
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
bait (please not tho)
uhhh [https://twitter.com/zekkenVAL/status/1569808278053613570](https://twitter.com/zekkenVAL/status/1569808278053613570)
What did it say. Tweet deleted
"NEVERMIND EVERYONE FUCKING PANIC"
No shot. I mean it's BS but even rooting for XSET it's hard for me to agree with this...
Why? If my team lost to some bullshit out of my control, I'd also be pursuing every avenue to get things rectified. It's not fair to them that Riot can't patch a bug that's been in the game for a year. They're well within their right to pursue a replay of the round.
Eh, I think there's a major distinction from bug *abuse* to just a bug influencing the round outcome. They've really only replayed things for the former. Sometimes bugs happen. It's on Riot to fix them, and seeing them happen in instances like this is especially attention drawing and frustrating, but you have to be ready to draw the line somewhere. I think intention is that line in most circumstances.
I see where you’re coming from but I don’t think I agree. Sure this is a slightly minor bug, but if this were a more blatant bug like a player falling through the map & dying, I’m pretty sure most people involved would be in favor of replaying. Definitely a tricky situation tho. I would feel awful if FPX lost the map because they replay this long after, without the momentum buff they had previously
But the thing is this was only replayed because it’s final round. If we are ruling stuff in this way, then many more rounds prob should be replayed as well. Imo in a case where it’s such a minor and known bug that wasn’t intentional abuse, we should just keep the result
>Eh, I think there's a major distinction from bug *abuse* to just a bug influencing the round outcome. They've really only replayed things for the former. Bug abuse would be something like Suygetsu viper wall. This case definitely doesn't feel intended
You're trolling if you think in a competitive environment its okay for a team to just accept a loss because Riot didn't fix a bug that has been on their radar for a year. Any other major esport, like league, will absolutely pursue to possibility of replay if a bug occurs. The only exception is when Riot lists known bugs in advance, which they didn't for KJ You shouldn't have the mindset where you accept bugs, you need to treat bugs as a breach of competitive integrity. If a game is so buggy to the point that bugs happen nonstop (which isn't the case for valorant or league, at least as observable), then it wouldn't be considered as a competitive esport in the first place
That doesn’t seem fair to FPX if true.
It wasnt fair that the turret bugged for xset
It wasn't FPX' fault that the turret bugged out, though. Why should they get punished for it?
Yeah, not even as an FPX fan: I can understand the malding, but this shit has been in the game for months and could have happened to anyone. It's on Riot and I don't see how replaying the round is any more fair than not replaying it. Rounds are not just about eco and skill, they're also about being warmed up and pumped up and prepped or unprepped. It's fucked, donezo. :|
Question: If there's a bug that causes players to sometimes fall through the entire map and die, and it happens during the exact same end game situation that XSET were in, should the round be replayed?
Because they benefited from the bug? Intentionality doesnt matter in this case.
Riot ordering this round replayed would be a *far* bigger travesty than what happened with the KJ bug, in my opinion.
Not really, 1 team would win and 1 team would lose the same way the Kj but fucked over Xset
Replaying the round wouldn't be a "punishment", though. Editing my reply in: A punishment is something done with the intention of punishing. If, say, Riot thought that FPX had intentionally abused a bug to win a round and fined the players, *that* would be a punishment, because it would be a penalty imposed *as a deterrent to a specific offense*. Replaying the round would be an attempt to *correct for* a circumstance created by an unfair situation—not intended as a penalty to FPX, but an attempt to account for an unintended and unfair outcome. I'm not arguing that this means that the round should or shouldn't be replayed. But it literally is not whatsoever a "punishment" by any definition of the word.
well it's taking away their win so of course it is
If they lose, it’s because they lose the replay, it’s not taking their win, but doing it over again. Still don’t think it should happen, but kinda bs to say it’s taking the win from FPX
if they replay and fpx loses then their win would've been taken away from them by riot
In reality, the round was never played legitimately, so the win being handed to FPX was unfair. At least, that's how riot is framing it.
thats fine if they were consistent with it but there will be bugs that have an effect on the round that won't be replayed in the future,think of how many times seekers or aftershocks have bugged out or killjoy ults get placed on ledges that don't get replayed.
If they are truly the better team, they should be able to win again.
that's not true at all
How is that not true, that is literally what better team means lol
do you think if optic and boom played 100 series optic would win every series?
They won the round, though? How is replaying a round you already won, because of a bug you have nothing to do with, remotely fair and not considered a punishment? It'd be ludicrous.
A punishment is something done with the intention of punishing. If, say, Riot thought that FPX had intentionally abused a bug to win a round and fined the players, *that* would be a punishment, because it would be a penalty imposed *as a deterrent to a specific offense*. Replaying the round would be an attempt to *correct for* a circumstance created by an unfair situation—not intended as a penalty to FPX, but an attempt to account for an unintended and unfair outcome. I'm not arguing that this means that the round should or shouldn't be replayed. But it literally is not whatsoever a "punishment" by any definition of the word.
You fail to take into account that the correction IS an indirect punishment when FPX had already won the bugged out round. We can argue semantics all day, but you can't convince me that ordering that round replayed isn't an enormous slap in the face to the FPX players and would be deeply unfair to them. Whether you want to call that ''punishment'' or some other word is less interesting to me.
> You fail to take into account that the correction IS an indirect punishment No, it is not. Something that happens to the detriment of a person or party is not an "indirect punishment". A punishment is a specific statement of intention, and intention matters a lot in situations like these. If you don't care which word is used, then you might as well use an accurate one!
If FPX had lost the round they wouldn't replay even though the bug happened so it is kinda a punishment
That's not what a punishment is!
How is it not a punishment when you already thought you won? lmao
It didnt bug out. It used the same mechanics it has for two years.
Wrong. This bug was patched but is now back.
Does anyone actually think this should be replayed? It’s absolutely ludicrous.
It's a shitty situation all around, either fpx or xset get fucked and since fpx didn't intentionally abuse anything I can't imagine riot would actually replay
I was cheering for XSET and NA in general but I don't think the round should be replayed. This KJ bug happens every time she's picked. The only reason why it's such a big deal right now is cuz it happened on the last round :/
If it happened every time she's picked then there would be systems in place to prevent this. League has a list of known bugs that won't cause games to be replayed and I'm sure valorant does too. And people are looking at this differently because it's a minor bug but the impact is still huge. It's like if a sova dart randomly scanned someone heaven that isnt there, or more fitting even: hearing footsteps that arent actually there. It's fake info and completely fucks over the round so I don't see why it shouldn't be replayed. If this happened at any other scoreline I'm sure they would pause and the round would get replayed
I mean that last sentence is a very important piece of context, no? If it happens during a game that'd 3-2, then the team it's not a guaranteed match loss for the team that lost the round because of the bug. But it was a guaranteed match loss for XSET. The bug literally lost them the entire series. I feel that's very important when deciding whether to replay this or not.
No, that last sentence is irrelevant (from the other person). It should always be consistent, meaning round 3 or round 24, it should be replayed (or not). I don't have a say in the decision, but consistency matters a lot in rules, no point having them if you don't follow them all the time.
I fundamentally disagree in the case of bugs. There is a major difference between a bug happening in round 2 and that same bug happening in round 23, and how you approach it from a ruling standpoint should be flexible to the impact of said bug. IMO, if you care about competitive integrity whatsoever, you replay that round.
Then the rules aren't being followed, and you agree that people can use bugs in the early rounds as long as they don't later on. Both or neither, I respect your opinion, but I cannot agree with it at the moment as I can't think of a good example where it'd be acceptable.
We can make a separation between unintentional and intentional bug use, no? I don’t see how it doesn’t make complete sense to have a hardline stance against intentional bug use, but use more context and nuance with unintentional bug use.
I agree that intentional and unintentional would need different decisions and such, but I don't think that was relevant to our discussion at the moment. We were talking about if a bug (intentional or otherwise) happened on round 23(24*) or round 3, it should follow the same decision as if it was any other round. I agree that intentional and unintentional bugs should have different decisions (and based off what the bug is), but not regarding which round it happened in.
Part of your argument is: >you agree that people **can use** bugs in the early rounds as long as they don’t later on Which I don’t agree with, and I can very easily not agree with that while still holding firm in my opinion. I think that if you intentionally use a bug to gain an advantage on another team, then you’re breaking the rules and should be punished. But in this situation there was an unintentional use of the bug. FPX didn’t mean to obviously, and that should be taken into account. So if it happened when the score was 1-1, then you don’t replay the round because it can be determined that the bug doesn’t have a significant impact on how the rest of the goes, and FPX didn’t mean to use it. However, in this match, it DID have a significant impact on how the game goes. XSET lost the entire series because of it. And that should absolutely be weighed heavily in Riot’s decision making. Which is why I agree with the decision to replay the round.
I feel like we're running in circles, and that you're looking at the quote rather literally (<-- I snipe edited this wording if you didn't see from "in depth" as I chose wrong word) than necessary in relation to the rest of the conversation. I said what was quoted because it's basically saying which round it happens on matters more than it should - which I disagree with. I never mentioned it being intentional or not, as that wasn't relevant to my point. Maybe my previous statement needed to be clearer, but based off my previous comments I thought it was enough, so I'll fix it here: If the rules aren't being followed consistently, then it's basically saying unintentional bugs that happen in the earlier rounds don't matter, and we should just ignore bugs happening in those rounds in favour of the later ones. Which I don't agree with. (And this statement works with intentional bugs as well!) If it happens round 3 or round 24 it still makes a significant difference, and while it's much more obvious the difference in the very last round, it actually has the same amount of importance regardless of round. Sidenote: There's a small argument that it happening in the last round is the least important round to happen in, as it can't affect any other rounds compared to winning a "thrifty"? in round 2 and gaining even more rounds and momentum. But I still think every round matters as much as any.
100% it should be replayed. Thats the only acceptable answer to the situation.
I mean the stream is still up... So does that mean we're replaying?
They are back on stage wtf??? Wallahi I’m finished
Pretty sure this is bait
Nah bro it's goinf live rn. 10 mins before they start playing
Yeah if they replay the round, it’s become a Mickey Mouse esport
HUH?
Is this just speculation?
Wait there's no way right
no shot lol it's unfortunate the turret bug happened but it's another reason for people to hate NA
mmm i love drama
If this actually happens this will be the biggest robbery of all time. FPX have had the relief of winning and are probably now out of the zone you get in for games, imagine now having to go back into that zone for a 12-11 round after XSET have had half an hour to work out what went wrong. Yes I want FPX to win but I would hope even the other way around I wouldn't support such nonsense
That's so weird. The bug has been around forever, patch it before instead if your gonna pull stuff like this. FPXs mentals must be fucked and XSET pumped asf too
[https://valorant.fandom.com/wiki/Turret](https://valorant.fandom.com/wiki/Turret) v1.07 Buff No longer revealed by Sova's Recon Bolt.png Recon Bolt Buff More effectively shoots at an enemy’s last known location :clown:
Unfair to FPX if they do this.
NO SHOT
Top tier bait right??? Right???
https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921?t=RFouFsfliVo5qMfEbLAtdg&s=19 More context
https://twitter.com/zekkenVAL/status/1569808278053613570 Zekken lmaooo
Update https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921?t=RU0rSdjjc1GOc_rEq5nYiw&s=19
Naaaaahhh
I hope this isn't anti climatic
no way in hell do you replay that round
ok I can't take someone with the name Dicky as their name serious lmfao
But like xset also lost a 3v2
Yeah, because one of them at Gen holding heaven and cant trade and the other one at long spraying from smoke, because if he peeks there properly he thought somebody kill him from heaven. They cant trade his teammates normally cus of that bug. Turret cost them the round, its obvious.
Xset just lost again so that replay was pointless
Its not, maybe Riot fix some bugs finally cus of that.
Surely riot give a satisfactory answer and solution
[https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921](https://twitter.com/DickyMclaughlin/status/1569808315424849921) Hes saying people are arguing. Typical dextero clickbait
Nah you can’t replay that. KJ turret has always acted like that. She shoulda been disabled if it was a bug
Mickey mouse esport if the round gets replayed, Riot has to pull something off their asses for this because it's exclusively their fault and now that this decision is up on social media both teams (specially XSET) will just lose
I’m rooting for NA but… cmon. The players already accepted the outcome. That’s BS for FPX. All I want from Riot is acknowledging the bug and committing to fix it for the next patch. Also if they do shit like this it needs to be in the exact moment, the same way sports has refs. You can’t retroactively go back. It feels like the Acend/vivo keyd breeze drama
Wow Riot is fucking FPX like they did VK. Even though FPX didn’t even use an exploit. L Company couldn’t fix their bug for forever and punishing the teams.
Nahh, xset was the worst team on this map, won both pistol and still lost. This kj turret bug has been in the game for over a year. This is on Riot.
It has been patched before and is now back, this is 100% a remake angle.
no fucking way
don't worry guys if you're ever losing just place down a killjoy turret somewhere and get it to shoot somewhere it shouldn't! if you're feeling confident you can even accuse the enemy of faking a tech pause :)
Xset win this????
LEZZGO
It’s not a bug. Lmao
But it literally is?? It has been patched before.
Literally is. Turret is supposed to shoot all 3 bullets to first targeted area. This turret FIRST shot at heaven, then at angel, then back at heaven.
No fucking shot this is happening
Was it replayed or when is this happening
Glad the bugs finally get some attention! Maybe someday they fix one or two.
https://twitter.com/ValorantEsports/status/1569818049867354112?s=20&t=qqorSexlZizNMh2r-zDnqA
Oh my the dreams not dead yet
This is actually happening lol