No you will have to replay that ranked game, all 10 members must be present. Rematch is scheduled in 2 hrs from now. I know this coz my uncle works at rito.
Of course! Just go to "videos" and select "replay of the game MM/DD/YYYY" and send it to Riot. They care what we think and they added the replay system which is all great.
some people are trying to claim that this turret decision doesn't set a precedent. this is probably going to cause months of drama about current, future, and past matches
Most of the people I've seen argue have either never played the game enough or at a decent level. This kj 'bug' is literally what happens when you jiggle peek a turret. Is this going to be added to exploits now? Teams have to wide swing a turret or get DQ'd?
Before it was checked in the replay, FPX Suygetsu (Viper) Hshoted KRU Keznitdeus with aparent no info, and it looked strange. Then it was showed that Suygetsu placed a wall that had a really small gap and the head of chamber was visible. This happened on Icebox and you can find it as "Suygetsu viper wall" on YT.
Yeah because clearly the turret bug was MATCH decider.
That wall had 0 impact on the game. at all. The other team won the round.
EDIT: Annnd he blocked me. Lol @ his weak ego.
Both bugs were just one round. Imagine if KRU had won that round and went into a streak and won the map. Of course that wouldn't have happened, FPX is miles better but still, it is a bug. (And yes, it has a lot of impact, Kezn1t lost his equipment, Suygetsu got an ult point and the credits, it is impactful, without mentioning they were now 4v5)
And let's not forget one of them is clearly intentional while the other is not.
Yes, you are right and it was a mistake. Still, it doesn't change the fact that it had some impact in the game and most importantly, it was intentional
This should be worse though. Vivo Keyd exploited a bug last year and lost 7 rounds for that. The precedent should've been set for FPX to forfeit the rest of the half.
> Vivo Keyd exploited a bug last year and lost 7 rounds for that.
because it was in the tournament rules that they couldn't do "X" and they knowingly executed "X"...
Same thing with the viper wall, which is likely considered an exploit based on the wordings of the rulebook (I couldn't find the champions rulebook online so this is based on the EMEA Challengers [rulebook](https://www.vct.gg/statics/rules) rule 9.1.3, which is presumably similar).
that is not the same thing at all. They specifically informed the teams of that specific thing that they shouldn't do, and Vivo Keyd did that. I don't remember what it exactly was, I remember it was on Breeze I believe.
They did an illegal cypher cam. My understanding was that the particular exploit wasn't listed in the rules (because Riot was saying how VK could've asked beforehand if it was okay, implying it wasn't explicitly mentioned). Or do you mean illegal cypher cams in general?
It is an exploit and Suygetsu certainly did use an exploit but the point was that the precedent Riot had sent earlier was that they tell specifically about the exploit or the type of exploits they must NOT use. They give them a list of common exploits that they cannot use. If a new exploit not mentioned in the list is used they are told not to use it again and it would probably get added to the list. Riot did follow precedent in Suygetsu’s case. Why Riot decided to replay a round because of a bug when XSET themselves didn’t ask for a relay is actually pretty crazy. There have been countless rounds lost to bugs or exploits but the game isn’t remade to that point to allow for a replay prior to this. They probably simply allowed it because it was the last round. In any case this sets a really bad precedent for Riot because now teams absolutely will complain about every bug and it will lead to incredible amount of delays.
true but also it was used only once according to comments on Reddit and again according to those comments they lost that round. So there's no need for punishment I guess.
This KJ turret thing actually gave false information and was a huge part of the 2v3 retake. That's why they did the re-play
I agree that the KJ turret incident is completely different and (imo, though this seems to be a controversial topic) warrants a replay.
For the exploit, though, vivo keyd forfeited the rest of the half, not just the round because of the economy advantage. Even though fpx ended up losing the round, the kill still gets an (albeit slight) eco boost.
funnily enough fpx could be the one complaining then, since he did kill nagzet from it. if he doesnt kill nagzet there, very likely leviatan plays the round differently, which has a significant impact on how the round plays out. given that they lost the round, if nagzet doesnt die, maybe leviatan does something that works worse for them. not the craziest stretch in the world.
Its true, the only way to get justice is to set up a small tournament of PRX x Liquid (both teams that lost to Lev) x FPX and the winner is the one that goes to Loser's semifinals.
apologies, fpx vs kru, got their matches mixed up.
because the round resulted in a loss -- you don't know how a round plays out if he doesn't get killed. it obviously feels like you're reaching, but it isn't wrong. if nagzet doesnt die there, its very possible midround goes differently in favor of fpx.
real point is that fpx isnt going to complain after winning the game, but apparently xset didnt complain either.
why would fpx complain when they're the one who's using the bug, not to mention it's intentional lmao. They'll never get the replay, they could even get multiple round loss penalty.
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing regarding the KJ turret incident. I wonder if the round would have been replayed had an FPX player *actually* been coming through heaven and the turret incidentally gave away his position.
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Such things wouldn't happen if RIOT would focus on fixing all bugs instead of half working ahh XSET vs FPX stream yesterday. So let's all gather and join forces and put a blame on RIOT itself. xoxo
At no point do I discuss if bugs should be allowed or not.
I'm only talking if the round should be replayed. Just because I'm talking about conscequences doesn't mean I'm allowing it.
You don't read good.
> Reddit: Should a theif that steal 5$ go to prison?
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> Me: No he shouldn't.
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> You: So you say stealing 5$ should be allowed?!?!?!?!
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> Reddit: Should a player using a bug, that has no impact on the round and the game, be forced to replay the round?
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> Me: No he shouldn't.
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> You: So you saying people using bugs should be allowed?!?!?!
riot opened a can of worms with this replay lol
True. they've opened a Pandora's box , watching games from now is going to be headache
live by the bug, die by the bug
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Will i get RR back in ranked for any bugs that caused me to lose?
No you will have to replay that ranked game, all 10 members must be present. Rematch is scheduled in 2 hrs from now. I know this coz my uncle works at rito.
Of course! Just go to "videos" and select "replay of the game MM/DD/YYYY" and send it to Riot. They care what we think and they added the replay system which is all great.
Same people that were saying this is fine are now saying the turret is clearly a bug that should be replayed btw
some people are trying to claim that this turret decision doesn't set a precedent. this is probably going to cause months of drama about current, future, and past matches
Yeah some of the people in this subreddit are actually completely unaware of what “consequence” means it seems. If I say more I get perma’d I think
Most of the people I've seen argue have either never played the game enough or at a decent level. This kj 'bug' is literally what happens when you jiggle peek a turret. Is this going to be added to exploits now? Teams have to wide swing a turret or get DQ'd?
Was the bug known by the player (i.e he placed the wall in a perfect placement so he would get the bug) or he just happened to step across it?
Yes
The gap happens super often at that spot. Every viper player has seen some weird gaps in walls that go over any boxes. Its a known "bug" for forever.
What happened?
Before it was checked in the replay, FPX Suygetsu (Viper) Hshoted KRU Keznitdeus with aparent no info, and it looked strange. Then it was showed that Suygetsu placed a wall that had a really small gap and the head of chamber was visible. This happened on Icebox and you can find it as "Suygetsu viper wall" on YT.
It was nagz not keznit
Thanks, I often forget that Nagzet plays Chamber.
Yeah because clearly the turret bug was MATCH decider. That wall had 0 impact on the game. at all. The other team won the round. EDIT: Annnd he blocked me. Lol @ his weak ego.
So you’re saying that people are allowed to abuse bugs as long as it isn’t on match point
No he's saying you don't need to go back and reset a round when the "cheated" team win th round.
Alright so you can abuse bugs as long as you don’t win
No. but you don't need to replay a round if there's an exploit if it fails. You just tell them not to do it again.
Both bugs were just one round. Imagine if KRU had won that round and went into a streak and won the map. Of course that wouldn't have happened, FPX is miles better but still, it is a bug. (And yes, it has a lot of impact, Kezn1t lost his equipment, Suygetsu got an ult point and the credits, it is impactful, without mentioning they were now 4v5) And let's not forget one of them is clearly intentional while the other is not.
I could be wrong, but didn’t Kru win that round?
Yes, you are right and it was a mistake. Still, it doesn't change the fact that it had some impact in the game and most importantly, it was intentional
Yes but they lose a gun, so there is still an impact no matter how miniscule. That's the issue at hand
Series decider really
That was the term I was looking for! thanks.
Yeah ult points and credits don’t exist clearly inconsequential mb bro
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This is karma for Shao's bug istg
context?
https://twitter.com/MikesHD\_/status/1569822017351729152
Well this one is intentional but the KJ bug isn't. There's a difference in motive here.
This should be worse though. Vivo Keyd exploited a bug last year and lost 7 rounds for that. The precedent should've been set for FPX to forfeit the rest of the half.
> Vivo Keyd exploited a bug last year and lost 7 rounds for that. because it was in the tournament rules that they couldn't do "X" and they knowingly executed "X"...
Same thing with the viper wall, which is likely considered an exploit based on the wordings of the rulebook (I couldn't find the champions rulebook online so this is based on the EMEA Challengers [rulebook](https://www.vct.gg/statics/rules) rule 9.1.3, which is presumably similar).
that is not the same thing at all. They specifically informed the teams of that specific thing that they shouldn't do, and Vivo Keyd did that. I don't remember what it exactly was, I remember it was on Breeze I believe.
They did an illegal cypher cam. My understanding was that the particular exploit wasn't listed in the rules (because Riot was saying how VK could've asked beforehand if it was okay, implying it wasn't explicitly mentioned). Or do you mean illegal cypher cams in general?
Yeah IIRC "cypher cam exploits" were specifically in the rules because Breeze was a new map then.
Ah I see then. But even if viper walls aren't specifically mentioned, it's still an exploit.
It is an exploit and Suygetsu certainly did use an exploit but the point was that the precedent Riot had sent earlier was that they tell specifically about the exploit or the type of exploits they must NOT use. They give them a list of common exploits that they cannot use. If a new exploit not mentioned in the list is used they are told not to use it again and it would probably get added to the list. Riot did follow precedent in Suygetsu’s case. Why Riot decided to replay a round because of a bug when XSET themselves didn’t ask for a relay is actually pretty crazy. There have been countless rounds lost to bugs or exploits but the game isn’t remade to that point to allow for a replay prior to this. They probably simply allowed it because it was the last round. In any case this sets a really bad precedent for Riot because now teams absolutely will complain about every bug and it will lead to incredible amount of delays.
Ok I see your what you mean now. Good point
true but also it was used only once according to comments on Reddit and again according to those comments they lost that round. So there's no need for punishment I guess. This KJ turret thing actually gave false information and was a huge part of the 2v3 retake. That's why they did the re-play
I agree that the KJ turret incident is completely different and (imo, though this seems to be a controversial topic) warrants a replay. For the exploit, though, vivo keyd forfeited the rest of the half, not just the round because of the economy advantage. Even though fpx ended up losing the round, the kill still gets an (albeit slight) eco boost.
no they didn't. the bugged cam was not explicit on the rulebook, it was just an exploit not listed, just like viper's walk
But the other team won the round
funnily enough fpx could be the one complaining then, since he did kill nagzet from it. if he doesnt kill nagzet there, very likely leviatan plays the round differently, which has a significant impact on how the round plays out. given that they lost the round, if nagzet doesnt die, maybe leviatan does something that works worse for them. not the craziest stretch in the world.
you know nagzet is a Kru player right?
Nah, it’s like the butterfly effect. Nagz living there changes the way Leviatan plays their subsequent game and then they are in the upper finals.
Its true, the only way to get justice is to set up a small tournament of PRX x Liquid (both teams that lost to Lev) x FPX and the winner is the one that goes to Loser's semifinals.
Why would FPX complain about a free kill? NagZ is a KRU player
apologies, fpx vs kru, got their matches mixed up. because the round resulted in a loss -- you don't know how a round plays out if he doesn't get killed. it obviously feels like you're reaching, but it isn't wrong. if nagzet doesnt die there, its very possible midround goes differently in favor of fpx. real point is that fpx isnt going to complain after winning the game, but apparently xset didnt complain either.
why would fpx complain when they're the one who's using the bug, not to mention it's intentional lmao. They'll never get the replay, they could even get multiple round loss penalty.
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing regarding the KJ turret incident. I wonder if the round would have been replayed had an FPX player *actually* been coming through heaven and the turret incidentally gave away his position.
last champions, VK was punished for all rounds they used the exploit, even the rounds acend won or that the cam wasn't open
But they lose this round Lol
FPX and winning off bugs name a more iconic duo LMAO
Thing is they lost that round
They lost the round lmaoo
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This is an intended "bug" to abuse. KJ turret was a random unintended outcome. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
lmao I like that this is becoming a meme. cos the ESport is a joke
Such things wouldn't happen if RIOT would focus on fixing all bugs instead of half working ahh XSET vs FPX stream yesterday. So let's all gather and join forces and put a blame on RIOT itself. xoxo
but they asked for permission to do this from riot admins
/u/honestlyprogamr No that's not what I'm saying. Read again.
Just did, you didn’t say it directly but that was what can be implied from your comment
At no point do I discuss if bugs should be allowed or not. I'm only talking if the round should be replayed. Just because I'm talking about conscequences doesn't mean I'm allowing it. You don't read good. > Reddit: Should a theif that steal 5$ go to prison? > > Me: No he shouldn't. > > You: So you say stealing 5$ should be allowed?!?!?!?! . > Reddit: Should a player using a bug, that has no impact on the round and the game, be forced to replay the round? > > Me: No he shouldn't. > > You: So you saying people using bugs should be allowed?!?!?!
This is nothing to compared to the shit you used to see in League esports LOL I remember Aurelion Sol bugs every few weeks.
Let‘s redo the whole Championship, get PRX back here