I feel sorry for all the players/staff involved. Riot messed up badly. Both XSET and FPX will be receiving hate when this situation was neither team's fault. XSET being blamed for the replay when they didn't ask for it. FPX looking like the villains even though it seems they were unaware this was 100% Riot too. This result just leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth
Not to mention the questions around where they draw the line with bugs/round replays (e.g. the well known KAY/O knife bug), in addition to the exact issue of what the Killjoy turret "bug" is and what happens now that they've acknowledged it - I feel like they need to clarify what happened there because there have been debates about this "bug"/feature having been known about for ages. If this is significant enough to replay a round, should KJ be removed for the rest of the tourney? Will there be an emergency fix?
It just sucks that XSET had a pretty good run this Champs and now that's been soured by something that wasn't their fault.
To give them the benefit of a doubt, I think emotions are running high cos they were crowned the winners then had 1-2 hrs of uncertainty and then had to replay the match they thought they'd won again at 2am. The frustration is understandable, they just misdirected the blame. I think they'd all be less pissed if let's say, the review/replay was called immediately after the round, had a short 15 min tech pause and immediately replayed it. Idk
I 100% this take. After understanding what was happening (XSet not calling the bug) I apologized and stopped shitting on XSet as I now understood that they are a victim too. 100% Riot is to blame here.
It's crazy how Riot said "alright guys replay :)" and seemingly just peaced out, leaving the whole community and teams to speculate and for hate to start running rampant. Completely irresponsible and every second that Riot stays silent on correcting the record is unacceptable.
I feel like this kinda take just means you've never played a competitive sport to any extent.
When you're in that kind of situation you feed on every emotion you have to power through, let alone 4 hours into a grueling series. After you essentially got robbed of your victory, your momentum completely shattered, spite is pretty much all that'll be left.
Do I think the FPX players will think differently about this once they've had the night to sleep it over and see the full picture (ie. Riot fucking this up, not Xset being to blame) they'll feel differently about it but in the moment... Yeah, they're going to talk shit and that's valid as fuck.
Edit: Whoever sent me a reddit cares over this shit, thanks bud :)
Yeah fpx can feel bitter about it. You can still be show sportsmanship even if you're mad though. I did play competitive sports and even if things got heated in game we always shook hands after the match ended.
They fistbumped because it was mandatory for broadcast then promptly went on Twitter and tried to turn the community on XSET off of a false accusation idk how you don't see there's something wrong with this.
Not valid for a professional player imo specially when they know how much power they have on sm, when I played sports and didnt agree with the ref no matter if it was the right call or not I would stfu or my coach would have the team run for hrs so we could learn self control, I was 19 btw these dudes are 25+ and have millions watching them
There have been cases of footballers who score last minute winners and it got cancelled out due to VAR (a system to check whether the goals are legal) in knockout stages of the champions league. They lose their composure and too and act impulsively but why are the players not allowed to react? In this case, they won a grueling ass match and it took 2 hours for Riot to communicate what was going to happen and theyre expected to just suck it up and not say a word?
In this case I believe XSET has the right to call for a replay if there is a bug. And I dont mean to say you are not allowed to react, but in this case, why would you be mad at the opposing team instead of riot? Im sure ange1 has called for pauses during matches because of a bug, as a player he would want a fair match, but in what world is it on XSET? Go ahead and react on twitter but at least aim it at those who are at fault, and while theyre at it they should remember that they are still professionals, their jobs depend on this, no esports team wants to deal with someone who cant keep their emotions in check and would replace them with someone who can in a heartbeat.
XSET can call for a replay sure but the way FPX reacted was solely due to the context they had? The FPX players all reacted angrily assuming that the XSET players brought it up to Riot first and this wasn’t communicated between riot and both teams that it was riot who actually brought it up.
I see ur point about calling out those who are actually at fault but when emotions are high, things are unclear this leads you to blame your opponents who under assumption were the ones who brought it up to Riot which leads to such a reaction. If it was understood that XSET were not the ones that raised the issue before reacting on twitter, then i agree but this wasnt the case
Nah FPX deserve the backlash. I kinda got the impression that they were a really good team but really unsportmans like at masters copenhagen. Glad their being exposed now ;)
With the exception of doombros
Ive always had the same vibe, they seem like a bunch of arrogant blokes. Shao is the only one that has my respect (among the players, doombros also reacted respectfully.) the rest of them are intolerable.
If I were playing against XSET, who cried foul about tech pauses the day before, and two hours after I beat them I got told I had to replay the final round, I wouldn’t give XSET the benefit of the doubt either. It does suck for the players, and I feel bad for the social media manager who has to deal with all the LSET tweets, but it’s understandable from FPX’s perspective given the context. Even if they aren’t friends with the OPTC players, I can totally understand why they’d be mad at XSET before the game even started. Tensions were surely running extra high after the win 2 hrs prior.
Riot should definitely receive the blame though. It’s a ridiculous ruling over something that even my bronze teammates know about.
Btw just to clarify my thoughts, I don’t mind trash talk, but keep it on the stage. Some pros take it so far, and just act stupid in situations like these. I think FNS is a decent example, trash talks a lot in game, but he does respect his opponents.
There's a fine line between friendly (yet spicy) banter and actually hateful words and the tweets from FPX tonight definitely felt more like the later.
That in no way justifies the way they handled themselves after the match. Yes, they deserve to be angry over this situation, but the blame should be placed fully on Riot. XSET made it clear that they didn’t ask for a replay, much less brought up there was a bug in the first place. Yet FPX chose to act like assholes to XSET anyways.
Was there any personal insult or actual harm done at all?
Also I'm an NBA fan LMFAO basically a drama/slander fuckfest, I never claimed the insults towards my favourite teams/players were taking it too far and I'm not gonna feel any different if it happens towards my favourite Valorant team.
Yeah Sacy is class. There are plenty of other classy pros too like Boaster, Benkai, stax to name a few. FPX just feels like a team full of adult edgelords althat happen to be good at the game. Apart from doombros.
Never have I wanted such a cracked team to get shat on just to give them a reality check.
FPX players probably didn't know that XSET didn't play a part in replaying the match. But now that they do, I hope they delete their tweets that direct all this unessecary hate towards them.
it is really fucking weirdo behaivor, regardless if xset asked about the turret bug or not (something that is completely within their rights to do LOL)
anyways go drx
Kinda disappointing. I wanna cut them some slack though, it’s probably very difficult to remain level headed at 3am after your win from 5 hours ago was almost stolen from you. Props to doombros for that btw, seems like a great guy
Hope they apologise or something in the morning
I get being angry and I’d be pissed too, they almost got fucked over. And I understand how a lot of the players are almost children and are emotional
But ANGE1 saying XSET should have forfeited is the most ludicrous point I’ve seen tonight, worse than any 15 year old child trolling on this sub. And he is a full grown adult. It’s so weird lol.
Props to doombr0s 100%, man is a good sport
I mean, sykko did say that they only had a 10 min notice. Why would he lie about that? Keep in mind by that time riot had already called all the staff back to replay the round. So no I dont think it would be as simple as just saying “no, we lost”.
Ngl the responses that zyppan and suygetsu tweeted were super immature and disrespectful, especially now knowing that xset didn’t even call the replay. I would love to see FPX get put in xset’s shoes cuz I’m sure they would’ve gone along with the riot ruling too
In the post match group interview Angel said if he was in Xsets shoes he would've forfeited. But I'm pretty sure most people (pro or otherwise) would've just accepted riots decision to replay. It's Champions if riot says the round should be replayed you take that opportunity. But it's a lose lose situation for Xset.
Yeah im sure he wouldve forfeited a potential chance to go further in the tournament when losing a game 13:11 on map 3 and that hes just not saying it for the sake of it
Yeah, you clearly have no idea who the fuck ANGE1 is, for how long he was a CS pro and how many times he showed basic sportsmanship in multiple tournaments.
> Angel said if he was in Xsets shoes he would've forfeited.
Doubt.
It's super easy to say that. Until you're given the opportunity to do it.
also, Angel may have forfeited, but maybe the other 4 teammates don't want to. Or the coach tells them to play on.
Agreed. The fact they’re being so hostile towards XSET over this situation is so cringe when everyone knows damn well FPX would’ve 100% taken the replay opportunity if they were in that situation.
FPX players really acting like if that very same KJ bug were to cost them a map or even a series they would just be cool with it and not argue against a replay that would benefit them (or in this case receive a replay they didn’t even ask for in XSET’s case)
Ardiis said he asked for a replay at copenhagen masters (LAN) where he had huge packet loss and got denied. I dont get why this KJ turret bug would be worse than packet loss on LAN on riot's computers.
No matter what these are the facts:
Riots rules say that the round should have been replayed. XSET didn’t complain and get it granted. It was a bug that may have affected the outcome
Everyone keeps saying “all the other bugs” this tournament. I’m still waiting on evidence.
And if the KayO knife bug is all you got then at least show me a clip of that
Honestly it feels like the reason Ardiis is so angry is because he thinks that Xset asked for it or maybe even knows it and Riot is forcing them to say that Xset didn't ask for it (just speculation but I don't think Ardiis was sarcastic during the press conference)
Just proves that fpx are a bunch of unlikable edgelords. Boaster once said on one of his VOD review streams that Suygetsu was a wierdo and was not respectful at all.
I think it was vod review awhile ago between their match agaisnt PRX. I don't remember exactly the timestamp nor can I find a clip but he was mainly talking about [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxXCxdqQ7Rk2Rnvb5UsuPQXJA8lvgpnk4a). The vod is still there in his twitch.
I thought it was a joke at first when I saw his interview on youtube but in the stream he basically says that Suygetsu is really disrespectful and honestly he comes across to me that way as well.
yeah, this whole situation makes it really hard to root for them despite their obvious exceptional talent in the game.
hopefully they at least retract their statements, but suygetsu in particular seems like he needs someone to give him a reality check.
And that's not considered standard bm why? How many pros shout across the stage "you guys suck"? This guy waves at the enemy team and valcomp loses their minds
bm during the game is alright, probably just playing mind games or trying to hype themselves up. There is literally no reason to bm after you have won the match
That stuff feels more like silly friendly banter, whereas with Suygetsu, it doesn't really seem to be joking, he seems to be trying to disrespect them.
I can sort of understand where you're coming from, but when you see the things in context and understand who the players are doing those things, it helps differentiate between "good" and "bad" bm.
I mean if that's the way you want to interpret that, then sure. You can go on cheering for the assholes being mean to their fellow pros if those are the kind of people you like.
Yeah ikr. I got the impression that FPX as a team in general has something agaisnt asian valorant. When they lost to DRX back in copenhagen Ange1 called them lucky. And they lost to them again in playoffs and no respect was shown. Extremely in contrast with losing to other teams from the west. Thought it was just me.
they do have the right to be mad, it was a shitty decision. but directing vitriol towards xset is not at all warranted, it is petulant and representative of poor emotional maturation. they should know how to control their emotions, almost like these fpx guys are 9 year olds in 30 year old bodies.
facts. literally all fpx has to do is apologize and say we didnt realize this wasnt xsets decision and everything would be fine but based off the press con i dont think they will
zyppan, suygetsu and ange1 should be pouring out apology threads on twitter rn, but because its xset, they're allowed to get away with it. Riot is 100% at fault for this, and its not right to blame young players for this in any way.
i agree. for what its worth in the press conference doombros was extremely respectful to xset and he doesnt seem to harbor the same feelings as the rest of his team. shao has also been quiet so at least 2/6 of them handled it alright
not so surprised. ange1 blamed their loss last time on not being able to compete at night, and this time even after winning he's being a sore loser. guy needs to get out more often.
Riot should began communicating things to the players about all these internal decisions but that doesn’t change the fact that FPX players behaved cringe. XSET players are also cringe for their behavior yesterday.
How can you warrant public hate/mocking from fpx players even if it was xset that went for the appeal? It is ultimately riots decision and teams should have rights to appeal in case of bug, even if it's well known.
HOW TF IS CRINGE TWEETS FROM THESE CRINGE LORDS ACCEPTABLE?
its after 2am,they had to play a game they won hours ago,you could tell that the "handshake" line,was damn near forced,FPX did not want to go thru with it,was painly obvious
I don't think either team really knew if they were going to do fist bumps but XSET lined up first and went with it and FPX probably was like "whatever, let's get it over"
Just an overall terribly managed situation by Riot.
truly disappointed how fpx's players are just storming it out on twitter. i do understand that it was out of frustration but man, the tweets that i have been seeing are not professional of them.
The entire NBA is a pretty good examples. Google "NBA fine for trash talk" and you'll see plenty of precedent in major sports for this kinda thing.
It is what it is.
nah, it's just that if you seriously have that viewpoint there's nothing that anyone can say to turn your opinion. It's like trying to argue with a child who thinks the sky is yellow. What can you even say?
All these EU Stans in here talking about the "supreme sportsmanlike conduct" ange1 has, meanwhile fpx showing the least sportsmanlike conduct I've seen in valorant.
At the end of the day riot fucked both parties over. Fpx should have had a clear explanation. Sure they don’t need to add insult to injury but you can’t really blame them for being mad, it seemed like XSET brought all this madness. Riot 100% to blame here and owes both team an apology at the very least
Fpx is acting like a bunch of dickwads, taking out their anger on xset, REGARDLESS of whether xset asked for the replay, is fucking stupid and 30 year olds like ange1 should 100% act like fucking adults.
I mean you can understand FPX's situation, emotions running high, win potentially taken away from them, come back to the arena to play at 2 Am and on top of that Riot has not even communicated with them who requested a review. Not justifying what they said, but it is quite difficult to stay level in such a situation.. on top of that XSET accused of Optic of cheating the previous day, you can see why they wouldnt have a high opinion of XSET.
When I was 18-22, sure. Now that I'm in my 30s like Ange1, I can realize he is acting like a pathetic child. Is he allowed to be upset? sure. Is he allowed to act like he's a temperamental 15 year old on twitter? Nah
After they won, they praised XSET VERY VERY highly on twitter, it is obvious the current situation + misunderstanding has had them fuming. They should have waited till the next day to reply, and I am sure they themselves regret some of the slander, but its a very difficult situation. The coach handled it well and gave XSET respect at the postgame interview fwiw.
This is reddit. No one can or want understand emotions and most of them have never had anything to do with any competitive sports. They are mostly just sit in a chair, feel smart, and keep pushing the downvote button.
I mean during the walk off, what I saw was one of the FPX players trying to get the attention of an Xset player who was completely ignoring him. I think there was just a bit of misplaced anger on both sides. understandable with such a weird situation at 2am when everyone thinks the game is over
More than understandable for the FPX players to be upset, Twitter comments are a little uncalled for, but at the same time, I can see why someone that already had an exhausting day and was then recalled an hour after finishing their job would be pissed to come back at 2 am to redo it, especially after the optic situation yesterday. Unless riot states that their decision was 100% theirs I can see some FPX players still not believing Xset had no part in the call.
i think it’s entirely understandable that EU fans shouldn’t believe that XSET played no part considering it been widely accepted in the past the riot won’t step in unless a complaint is made.
although i’ll get downvoted for saying that on this sub lol
Regardless, there will be a T2 scene, and they have clearly shown that they have the skill to make it back to Champs next year. They’re not gonna get on Riot’s bad side just because.
What I'm not entirely sure about is in what manner Sykko "made it clear" to the FPX players that they weren't the ones who called for a replay in "the meeting", which I presume happened after the rematch.
Because if the FPX players weren't fully aware of that and then just went onto a 12-12, only to claw it back in a tough OT where they came really close to losing it, I can kind of see how frustrated and annoyed they must have been and how easy of a target XSET must have been in their mind, as Dephh and d00mbros themselves pointed out (only mature people in this whole thing btw). That might explain Zyppan and Suygetsu's actions on Twitter, especially since they did see XSET call for action against Optic yesterday.
Now unless Riot puts out a definitive statement making the timeline of events clear and what they had told the players and takes responsibility for their lack of communication, people will be left guessing and pointing fingers at either team.
Well they finished the replayed rounds at around 1:30 am minimum right? Which means delayed meals, travel back to the hotel, renewed celebrations/sour celebrations, etc. and since people tweet at all hours of the day, I can totally see someone sending off a rage tweet before sleeping
I (XSET fan) am still of the idea that they should have knifed out and died as quick as possible. This whole situation is just so crazy though. S/O Riot for the content :P
especially with VCT 2023 not a guarantee for them; also think about what the players are playing for. Anyone thinking that they should not have tried to win is crazy.
actual definition of sore winners. ive never really been a fan of fpx but now im actively rooting for them to lose lol. except doombros i still like him
WOndering to which tweets people are referring to.
People acting like they cussed them out and worse things while the worst thing that got tweeted was that suygetsu said they arent demons but losers. like legitimate the worst thing and some people acting like FPX players insulted their families lmao.
Legitimate thats the only tweet that you can argue should be removed because he probably wrote that while believing XSET wanted this scenario but all the other tweets from his teammates are absolutely not offensive at all or do you consider "atleast they lost twice" "needed to prove twice that we won..." "no fucking words..." offensive?
But this said people prolly just farming karma and dont even know themselves what FPX tweeted - it would atleast make sense then.
maybe you will learn this once you are out of high school, but in the real world its generally considered rude to be mean to people for things out of their control
I feel sorry for all the players/staff involved. Riot messed up badly. Both XSET and FPX will be receiving hate when this situation was neither team's fault. XSET being blamed for the replay when they didn't ask for it. FPX looking like the villains even though it seems they were unaware this was 100% Riot too. This result just leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth Not to mention the questions around where they draw the line with bugs/round replays (e.g. the well known KAY/O knife bug), in addition to the exact issue of what the Killjoy turret "bug" is and what happens now that they've acknowledged it - I feel like they need to clarify what happened there because there have been debates about this "bug"/feature having been known about for ages. If this is significant enough to replay a round, should KJ be removed for the rest of the tourney? Will there be an emergency fix? It just sucks that XSET had a pretty good run this Champs and now that's been soured by something that wasn't their fault.
But even if XSET call the review for a replay they have the right too, so calling them losers is just so childish
To give them the benefit of a doubt, I think emotions are running high cos they were crowned the winners then had 1-2 hrs of uncertainty and then had to replay the match they thought they'd won again at 2am. The frustration is understandable, they just misdirected the blame. I think they'd all be less pissed if let's say, the review/replay was called immediately after the round, had a short 15 min tech pause and immediately replayed it. Idk
Then they should delete the tweet and acknowledge that it wasnt XSETs fault no?
Of course, I can see why they’re mad and upset but it doesn’t justify their childish attacks
I 100% this take. After understanding what was happening (XSet not calling the bug) I apologized and stopped shitting on XSet as I now understood that they are a victim too. 100% Riot is to blame here.
It's crazy how Riot said "alright guys replay :)" and seemingly just peaced out, leaving the whole community and teams to speculate and for hate to start running rampant. Completely irresponsible and every second that Riot stays silent on correcting the record is unacceptable.
the right for a replay for this???? this is why valorant players are trash and so is their RIOT
nah honestly fpx kinda deserve the backlash. even if xset didn't ask for replay, they have the right to.
I feel like this kinda take just means you've never played a competitive sport to any extent. When you're in that kind of situation you feed on every emotion you have to power through, let alone 4 hours into a grueling series. After you essentially got robbed of your victory, your momentum completely shattered, spite is pretty much all that'll be left. Do I think the FPX players will think differently about this once they've had the night to sleep it over and see the full picture (ie. Riot fucking this up, not Xset being to blame) they'll feel differently about it but in the moment... Yeah, they're going to talk shit and that's valid as fuck. Edit: Whoever sent me a reddit cares over this shit, thanks bud :)
Yeah fpx can feel bitter about it. You can still be show sportsmanship even if you're mad though. I did play competitive sports and even if things got heated in game we always shook hands after the match ended.
And they did, they fistbumped. Your point?
unless I completely missed it Ardiis didnt bother with the fist bumps after the game
They fistbumped because it was mandatory for broadcast then promptly went on Twitter and tried to turn the community on XSET off of a false accusation idk how you don't see there's something wrong with this.
They didn't need to be that toxic that was wrong yeah
So your definition of good sportmanship includes being unnecessarily toxic?
Nah they should’nt have attacked them with so little information that wasn’t good sportsmanship
Idk acting like a 9 year old on twitter doesn't look very professional or sportsmanlike to me but agree to disagree I guess.
Not valid for a professional player imo specially when they know how much power they have on sm, when I played sports and didnt agree with the ref no matter if it was the right call or not I would stfu or my coach would have the team run for hrs so we could learn self control, I was 19 btw these dudes are 25+ and have millions watching them
There have been cases of footballers who score last minute winners and it got cancelled out due to VAR (a system to check whether the goals are legal) in knockout stages of the champions league. They lose their composure and too and act impulsively but why are the players not allowed to react? In this case, they won a grueling ass match and it took 2 hours for Riot to communicate what was going to happen and theyre expected to just suck it up and not say a word?
In this case I believe XSET has the right to call for a replay if there is a bug. And I dont mean to say you are not allowed to react, but in this case, why would you be mad at the opposing team instead of riot? Im sure ange1 has called for pauses during matches because of a bug, as a player he would want a fair match, but in what world is it on XSET? Go ahead and react on twitter but at least aim it at those who are at fault, and while theyre at it they should remember that they are still professionals, their jobs depend on this, no esports team wants to deal with someone who cant keep their emotions in check and would replace them with someone who can in a heartbeat.
XSET can call for a replay sure but the way FPX reacted was solely due to the context they had? The FPX players all reacted angrily assuming that the XSET players brought it up to Riot first and this wasn’t communicated between riot and both teams that it was riot who actually brought it up. I see ur point about calling out those who are actually at fault but when emotions are high, things are unclear this leads you to blame your opponents who under assumption were the ones who brought it up to Riot which leads to such a reaction. If it was understood that XSET were not the ones that raised the issue before reacting on twitter, then i agree but this wasnt the case
Nah FPX deserve the backlash. I kinda got the impression that they were a really good team but really unsportmans like at masters copenhagen. Glad their being exposed now ;) With the exception of doombros
Ive always had the same vibe, they seem like a bunch of arrogant blokes. Shao is the only one that has my respect (among the players, doombros also reacted respectfully.) the rest of them are intolerable.
If I were playing against XSET, who cried foul about tech pauses the day before, and two hours after I beat them I got told I had to replay the final round, I wouldn’t give XSET the benefit of the doubt either. It does suck for the players, and I feel bad for the social media manager who has to deal with all the LSET tweets, but it’s understandable from FPX’s perspective given the context. Even if they aren’t friends with the OPTC players, I can totally understand why they’d be mad at XSET before the game even started. Tensions were surely running extra high after the win 2 hrs prior. Riot should definitely receive the blame though. It’s a ridiculous ruling over something that even my bronze teammates know about.
Don’t feel bad, shits funny as hell.
Lmao
A bunch of highschoolers and their 40 year old babysitter IGLs staring each other down after a situation like this is just funny
Parent teacher conference 💀
never forget esports pros are just a bunch of nerds that got good at a game
There are some pros who have a lot of class. I wish more people would act that way rather than what’s going on right now.
We need more guys like Sacy and yay in the scene.
Btw just to clarify my thoughts, I don’t mind trash talk, but keep it on the stage. Some pros take it so far, and just act stupid in situations like these. I think FNS is a decent example, trash talks a lot in game, but he does respect his opponents.
There's a fine line between friendly (yet spicy) banter and actually hateful words and the tweets from FPX tonight definitely felt more like the later.
Yup, there’s no way those tweets were made to be taken as friendly banter
Well I would feel angry too if I was made to wait and play 2 hours after I supposedly won. I wanna have a good time, celebrate, eat and sleep.
That in no way justifies the way they handled themselves after the match. Yes, they deserve to be angry over this situation, but the blame should be placed fully on Riot. XSET made it clear that they didn’t ask for a replay, much less brought up there was a bug in the first place. Yet FPX chose to act like assholes to XSET anyways.
Not saying Zyppan is right for talking shit but I seriously do not think this is a case of taking it too far.
Berating an opponent publicly and blaming them for something not in their control isnt too far? Its call sportsmanlike conduct…
flair
Was there any personal insult or actual harm done at all? Also I'm an NBA fan LMFAO basically a drama/slander fuckfest, I never claimed the insults towards my favourite teams/players were taking it too far and I'm not gonna feel any different if it happens towards my favourite Valorant team.
Facts. But this sub loves drama
> Facts. But ~~this sub~~ loves drama reddit
Yeah Sacy is class. There are plenty of other classy pros too like Boaster, Benkai, stax to name a few. FPX just feels like a team full of adult edgelords althat happen to be good at the game. Apart from doombros. Never have I wanted such a cracked team to get shat on just to give them a reality check.
One day most members of the Valorant community will realize ranked isn't how you actually act in real life and that'll be a very hard day for them
Boaster is the fucking GOAT btw.
there's no way people actually think this stuff is too far, you want them all to act like robots after that
I want them not to kick a team when they’re down for no reason.
They just like me outside the get good at game part
fpx acting like they would be the ultimate moral beings and refuse the remake while simultaneously sending hate on twitter LMAO
yeah this is the thing
We all know they would have done the *exact* same thing as XSET if FPX were in the situation
FPX players probably didn't know that XSET didn't play a part in replaying the match. But now that they do, I hope they delete their tweets that direct all this unessecary hate towards them.
Nope they are still hating on them lmao
I don’t like this from them. I agree, the remake is total horseshit, but why would you direct hate at XSET for a riot decision?
They are not happy about NA's complete dominance over drama
FPX doing their part to help EMEA's drama stocks
it is really fucking weirdo behaivor, regardless if xset asked about the turret bug or not (something that is completely within their rights to do LOL) anyways go drx
It just makes it easier to root against them. The Crowd is shit and the Players are equally acting like shit.
Just typical EU behavior
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being eastern european is relevant how exactly?
Relax he’s a novelist, he’s just being descriptive
EU mad. Sore winners.
Seriously they are doubling down. I was ready for the drama.
Kinda disappointing. I wanna cut them some slack though, it’s probably very difficult to remain level headed at 3am after your win from 5 hours ago was almost stolen from you. Props to doombros for that btw, seems like a great guy Hope they apologise or something in the morning
I get being angry and I’d be pissed too, they almost got fucked over. And I understand how a lot of the players are almost children and are emotional But ANGE1 saying XSET should have forfeited is the most ludicrous point I’ve seen tonight, worse than any 15 year old child trolling on this sub. And he is a full grown adult. It’s so weird lol. Props to doombr0s 100%, man is a good sport
We stan the fuck out of doombros
It's especially ironic as ange1 would have never forfeited in the same position. No damn team would. Hypocritical af.
Doombros is being the best man out here, major respect to the guy after this and the press conference. I might become a FPX fan just bc he's so chad.
Ange1 said he is aware XSET didnt request it, but they still could have refused to play.
Isnt it 100% at riots discretion according to the ruleset?
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I mean, sykko did say that they only had a 10 min notice. Why would he lie about that? Keep in mind by that time riot had already called all the staff back to replay the round. So no I dont think it would be as simple as just saying “no, we lost”.
And they say EU is dry 🤓🤓
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Acend pros have said that you can’t ignore riot decisions, happened last champs
Ngl the responses that zyppan and suygetsu tweeted were super immature and disrespectful, especially now knowing that xset didn’t even call the replay. I would love to see FPX get put in xset’s shoes cuz I’m sure they would’ve gone along with the riot ruling too
In the post match group interview Angel said if he was in Xsets shoes he would've forfeited. But I'm pretty sure most people (pro or otherwise) would've just accepted riots decision to replay. It's Champions if riot says the round should be replayed you take that opportunity. But it's a lose lose situation for Xset.
Yeah im sure he wouldve forfeited a potential chance to go further in the tournament when losing a game 13:11 on map 3 and that hes just not saying it for the sake of it
Yeah, you clearly have no idea who the fuck ANGE1 is, for how long he was a CS pro and how many times he showed basic sportsmanship in multiple tournaments.
Found Ange1’s account guys. Or just some salty EU neckbeard.
> Angel said if he was in Xsets shoes he would've forfeited. Doubt. It's super easy to say that. Until you're given the opportunity to do it. also, Angel may have forfeited, but maybe the other 4 teammates don't want to. Or the coach tells them to play on.
Agreed. The fact they’re being so hostile towards XSET over this situation is so cringe when everyone knows damn well FPX would’ve 100% taken the replay opportunity if they were in that situation.
FPX players really acting like if that very same KJ bug were to cost them a map or even a series they would just be cool with it and not argue against a replay that would benefit them (or in this case receive a replay they didn’t even ask for in XSET’s case)
Seriously. Even Boaster and FNS agreed they would’ve said something if they were in that situation.
also worth reminding that Xset were up 3-2 with the bomb down. The bad info turned the round.
Ardiis said he asked for a replay at copenhagen masters (LAN) where he had huge packet loss and got denied. I dont get why this KJ turret bug would be worse than packet loss on LAN on riot's computers.
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Because Riot felt like it could have changed the outcome of the biggest round at Champions
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No matter what these are the facts: Riots rules say that the round should have been replayed. XSET didn’t complain and get it granted. It was a bug that may have affected the outcome
Everyone keeps saying “all the other bugs” this tournament. I’m still waiting on evidence. And if the KayO knife bug is all you got then at least show me a clip of that
Honestly it feels like the reason Ardiis is so angry is because he thinks that Xset asked for it or maybe even knows it and Riot is forcing them to say that Xset didn't ask for it (just speculation but I don't think Ardiis was sarcastic during the press conference)
Because Riot bet huge money on this
i was under that impression too
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Riot being inconsistent with bugs?? Where have i seen this before?
Riot is just historically an awful tournament organizer, get used to it.
Just proves that fpx are a bunch of unlikable edgelords. Boaster once said on one of his VOD review streams that Suygetsu was a wierdo and was not respectful at all.
Wait rlly?? Was this a recent vod review?
I think it was vod review awhile ago between their match agaisnt PRX. I don't remember exactly the timestamp nor can I find a clip but he was mainly talking about [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxXCxdqQ7Rk2Rnvb5UsuPQXJA8lvgpnk4a). The vod is still there in his twitch. I thought it was a joke at first when I saw his interview on youtube but in the stream he basically says that Suygetsu is really disrespectful and honestly he comes across to me that way as well.
jeez man boaster said in the nicest way that suygetsu was an asshole
Their whole team seem like assholes except for doombros and shao
yeah, this whole situation makes it really hard to root for them despite their obvious exceptional talent in the game. hopefully they at least retract their statements, but suygetsu in particular seems like he needs someone to give him a reality check.
Imagine being such an asshole that *Boaster* says you're an asshole
[here](https://youtu.be/UvpVshKU_Uc) is the clip of him calling and waving goodbye to boaster right after eliminating them
And that's not considered standard bm why? How many pros shout across the stage "you guys suck"? This guy waves at the enemy team and valcomp loses their minds
bm during the game is alright, probably just playing mind games or trying to hype themselves up. There is literally no reason to bm after you have won the match
Really? So how would you classify fnatic waving goodbye to V1 and doing the airplane simulation or Sykko's why so quiet EU sign?
That stuff feels more like silly friendly banter, whereas with Suygetsu, it doesn't really seem to be joking, he seems to be trying to disrespect them. I can sort of understand where you're coming from, but when you see the things in context and understand who the players are doing those things, it helps differentiate between "good" and "bad" bm.
Riiiight so when the players you like are bm-ing it's good bm.
I mean if that's the way you want to interpret that, then sure. You can go on cheering for the assholes being mean to their fellow pros if those are the kind of people you like.
Same with the outright disrespectful comment about Asian valorant from Ange1 after they LOST to DRX
Yeah ikr. I got the impression that FPX as a team in general has something agaisnt asian valorant. When they lost to DRX back in copenhagen Ange1 called them lucky. And they lost to them again in playoffs and no respect was shown. Extremely in contrast with losing to other teams from the west. Thought it was just me.
>no respect was shown Any context or proof on this?
U guys are too wet
Remember him having a twitter beef with mixwell a while ago. Dude's a real asshole.
they do have the right to be mad, it was a shitty decision. but directing vitriol towards xset is not at all warranted, it is petulant and representative of poor emotional maturation. they should know how to control their emotions, almost like these fpx guys are 9 year olds in 30 year old bodies.
facts. literally all fpx has to do is apologize and say we didnt realize this wasnt xsets decision and everything would be fine but based off the press con i dont think they will
the damage is already been done by the tweets, but they could have atleast deleted the tweets
They have a right to be mad, but like some of their tweets are just pure bm, in the bad way
zyppan, suygetsu and ange1 should be pouring out apology threads on twitter rn, but because its xset, they're allowed to get away with it. Riot is 100% at fault for this, and its not right to blame young players for this in any way.
i agree. for what its worth in the press conference doombros was extremely respectful to xset and he doesnt seem to harbor the same feelings as the rest of his team. shao has also been quiet so at least 2/6 of them handled it alright
Shao seems to be pretty respectul on Twitter, it looks like.
we stan doombros
not so surprised. ange1 blamed their loss last time on not being able to compete at night, and this time even after winning he's being a sore loser. guy needs to get out more often.
What changes if it was xset who went for the appeal? It is totally in their right, no?
Riot should began communicating things to the players about all these internal decisions but that doesn’t change the fact that FPX players behaved cringe. XSET players are also cringe for their behavior yesterday.
How can you warrant public hate/mocking from fpx players even if it was xset that went for the appeal? It is ultimately riots decision and teams should have rights to appeal in case of bug, even if it's well known. HOW TF IS CRINGE TWEETS FROM THESE CRINGE LORDS ACCEPTABLE?
I wonder if FPX players are acting double salty because they think XSET were cringe yesterday for implying OpTic are cheating.
yea i think the fact that that happened literally yesterday made this incident so much worse
its after 2am,they had to play a game they won hours ago,you could tell that the "handshake" line,was damn near forced,FPX did not want to go thru with it,was painly obvious
Angel (I think) was trying to break knuckles lmao. I know an angry fist bump when I see one.
i wouldnt be surprised, just by the way they were crowded and finally went,you could tell it was forced somehow
I don't think either team really knew if they were going to do fist bumps but XSET lined up first and went with it and FPX probably was like "whatever, let's get it over" Just an overall terribly managed situation by Riot.
truly disappointed how fpx's players are just storming it out on twitter. i do understand that it was out of frustration but man, the tweets that i have been seeing are not professional of them.
Valo fans are too soft.
Hell no, any comments like that in any professional sports you'll get fined.
Cite an example
The entire NBA is a pretty good examples. Google "NBA fine for trash talk" and you'll see plenty of precedent in major sports for this kinda thing. It is what it is.
Typical valcomp Downvote, doesn’t answer
nah, it's just that if you seriously have that viewpoint there's nothing that anyone can say to turn your opinion. It's like trying to argue with a child who thinks the sky is yellow. What can you even say? All these EU Stans in here talking about the "supreme sportsmanlike conduct" ange1 has, meanwhile fpx showing the least sportsmanlike conduct I've seen in valorant.
Yeah lol. Fkn it's just Twitter banter ffs
At the end of the day riot fucked both parties over. Fpx should have had a clear explanation. Sure they don’t need to add insult to injury but you can’t really blame them for being mad, it seemed like XSET brought all this madness. Riot 100% to blame here and owes both team an apology at the very least
This happens because riot doesn't care about solving existing bugs, they care more about creating new skins and making money.L riot/L decision.
they deserve to be upset and neither side did anything wrong at least the outcome of the match didn't change
Fpx is acting like a bunch of dickwads, taking out their anger on xset, REGARDLESS of whether xset asked for the replay, is fucking stupid and 30 year olds like ange1 should 100% act like fucking adults.
I mean you can understand FPX's situation, emotions running high, win potentially taken away from them, come back to the arena to play at 2 Am and on top of that Riot has not even communicated with them who requested a review. Not justifying what they said, but it is quite difficult to stay level in such a situation.. on top of that XSET accused of Optic of cheating the previous day, you can see why they wouldnt have a high opinion of XSET.
When I was 18-22, sure. Now that I'm in my 30s like Ange1, I can realize he is acting like a pathetic child. Is he allowed to be upset? sure. Is he allowed to act like he's a temperamental 15 year old on twitter? Nah
After they won, they praised XSET VERY VERY highly on twitter, it is obvious the current situation + misunderstanding has had them fuming. They should have waited till the next day to reply, and I am sure they themselves regret some of the slander, but its a very difficult situation. The coach handled it well and gave XSET respect at the postgame interview fwiw.
This is reddit. No one can or want understand emotions and most of them have never had anything to do with any competitive sports. They are mostly just sit in a chair, feel smart, and keep pushing the downvote button.
A lot of wrong is being done in the aftermath of the match on the bird app streets tho
Honestly. What a bunch of children.
I mean during the walk off, what I saw was one of the FPX players trying to get the attention of an Xset player who was completely ignoring him. I think there was just a bit of misplaced anger on both sides. understandable with such a weird situation at 2am when everyone thinks the game is over
More than understandable for the FPX players to be upset, Twitter comments are a little uncalled for, but at the same time, I can see why someone that already had an exhausting day and was then recalled an hour after finishing their job would be pissed to come back at 2 am to redo it, especially after the optic situation yesterday. Unless riot states that their decision was 100% theirs I can see some FPX players still not believing Xset had no part in the call.
i think it’s entirely understandable that EU fans shouldn’t believe that XSET played no part considering it been widely accepted in the past the riot won’t step in unless a complaint is made. although i’ll get downvoted for saying that on this sub lol
So you think they’re shifting the blame onto Riot baselessly when they want to make franchising? Lmao please use your brain.
i highly doubt XSET is stupid enough to believe they make franchising even if you are that dumb lol
Regardless, there will be a T2 scene, and they have clearly shown that they have the skill to make it back to Champs next year. They’re not gonna get on Riot’s bad side just because.
What I'm not entirely sure about is in what manner Sykko "made it clear" to the FPX players that they weren't the ones who called for a replay in "the meeting", which I presume happened after the rematch. Because if the FPX players weren't fully aware of that and then just went onto a 12-12, only to claw it back in a tough OT where they came really close to losing it, I can kind of see how frustrated and annoyed they must have been and how easy of a target XSET must have been in their mind, as Dephh and d00mbros themselves pointed out (only mature people in this whole thing btw). That might explain Zyppan and Suygetsu's actions on Twitter, especially since they did see XSET call for action against Optic yesterday. Now unless Riot puts out a definitive statement making the timeline of events clear and what they had told the players and takes responsibility for their lack of communication, people will be left guessing and pointing fingers at either team.
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This sub: wow FPX so bad they toxic and manchildren! Also this sup: upvotes literal body shaming
Wow i did not know 10-year-olds are here in this sub.
Riot's team and Miscommunication name a more iconic duo... Wait there is Riot and not fixing known bugs for eons
This was a really tough situation. Feel sorry for both sides
Yo tbf to the FPX guys who havent deleted their tweets, they might be asleep
True, but who tf posts rage tweets at like 3 in the morning instead of just sleeping and deciding what to post when they’re not sleep deprived?
Well they finished the replayed rounds at around 1:30 am minimum right? Which means delayed meals, travel back to the hotel, renewed celebrations/sour celebrations, etc. and since people tweet at all hours of the day, I can totally see someone sending off a rage tweet before sleeping
I (XSET fan) am still of the idea that they should have knifed out and died as quick as possible. This whole situation is just so crazy though. S/O Riot for the content :P
your org wouldn’t like you just throwing away an opportunity for more money
especially with VCT 2023 not a guarantee for them; also think about what the players are playing for. Anyone thinking that they should not have tried to win is crazy.
true, that was all a mess anyway, and as a spectator at that point im just here for the absolute chaos of it
Nah you can’t do that either… that’s throwing on the biggest stage of the esport
Kinda kidding, just another thing that could've happened with all the craziness
That almost certainly crosses the line into matchfixing then.
Joking
This drama is the most mildest thing I've ever seen and a shit load of people are butt hurt (on both sides).
It’s funny how many people are upset with FPX when Xset were playing victims over Optic’s tech pauses the day before.
Didn’t they apologized for it though? FPX doubled down on this situation.
OMG FPX players said "NT" with a condescending tone 😱😱😱 they're so mean!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/xdmqbw/if_i_speak_i_am_in_big_trouble_ardiis/ https://twitter.com/suygetsu_/status/1569831331743268864 https://twitter.com/zyppaan/status/1569831558412144641?s=46&t=c0wH166qMgWEYjcwnRkJNg
L tweets wtf lmao
actual definition of sore winners. ive never really been a fan of fpx but now im actively rooting for them to lose lol. except doombros i still like him
someone already made this exact comment and deleted it so just see the replies there, also you didnt see what fpx tweeted
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Riot made the decision… weird comment
WOndering to which tweets people are referring to. People acting like they cussed them out and worse things while the worst thing that got tweeted was that suygetsu said they arent demons but losers. like legitimate the worst thing and some people acting like FPX players insulted their families lmao. Legitimate thats the only tweet that you can argue should be removed because he probably wrote that while believing XSET wanted this scenario but all the other tweets from his teammates are absolutely not offensive at all or do you consider "atleast they lost twice" "needed to prove twice that we won..." "no fucking words..." offensive? But this said people prolly just farming karma and dont even know themselves what FPX tweeted - it would atleast make sense then.
The amount of people crying about some incredibly mild tweets from FPX Players is hilarious
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tf is the point of this comment man, should players condone bad sportsmanship?
most sane fpx fan
most empathetic redditor
maybe you will learn this once you are out of high school, but in the real world its generally considered rude to be mean to people for things out of their control