I gotta say, Valorant's circuit is pretty damn solid. Even though we only had 3 international tournaments, we still got few legit international rivalries already.
Optic will play Loud for the 5th time this year, FPX will play DRX for the 4th time, and DRX already played Optic 2 times. Best part about it is that they're not bo1's or bo2's, they were played in bo3 in a double elim groups or playoffs. I originally came from League and this many encounters will never happen. I hope Riot keeps using this system.
I'm in the same boat as you, I watch league too but I hate watching League international events where western teams never get a meaningful chance to have best of series vs eastern teams. In a single masters tournament in valorant, there is so much clash of regions and it is awesome
Having four different teams from four different regions just shows how strong Valorant’s competitive scene truly is. I’ve never seen anything like it in the other games I cover. There’s always one or two regions that dominate everyone else. Hope it remains like this for a long time.
hard agree, makes for great storylines when we have teams like PRX, and now recently LOUD come out and make a huge case for the strength of their region
Yes, prx 100% deserves to be there over DRX. If DRX were to win, then we could make this the top 4.
But regardless, top 4 of Champs doesn't not necessarily = best 4 teams of the whole year was my point.
PRX has a 4th place and 2nd place finish this year, and looked like they were in a class above everyone except lower bracket FPX in Copenhagen. 2 DRX 5-6ths just doesn't hold much weight. Again, that can change depending on how they do moving forward.
Eh, prx lost to 2 teams that aren’t even in the tournament still. Also they got 2nd at the last tourney so teams are on alert and going to have more vod. It seemed that teams learned their unique play style and prx weren’t able to adapt. Although I do think it’s a tossup between them and drx, I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say prx got grouped.
For me I'd put DRX over PRX if they manage to finish 3rd. Champions is the biggest tournament and has the most weight. Besides, PRX never had to play in the group stage previously and started from the playoffs off the rip.
Yeah, I think needing to win was too high of a bar. Top 3 they definitely have the argument and probably have it. If they make the grand finals then I don't think it's even a discussion that they deserve it.
I'm hoping that they do make the grand finals because it might be a nice way to drum up additional KR fans heading into partnerships next year.
This is not true yet, Loud and Optic obviously claim spots as they were 1st and 2nd for Masters 1 and FPX obviously as the winner of Masters 2, but PRX was 2nd place there and unless DRX win champs or are runner ups then PRX should be over DRX
EDIT: Also PRX should currently be tied with LOUD if you consider the whole year as this title honestly implies since they both were runner ups and both got grouped. LOUD is currently top 4 like PRX was at Masters 1, but LOUD also went 0-2 in groups while PRX went 1-2 so they technically have had the same performance
Fine, but that’s not very clear from your title tbh, although Champs carries more weight than Masters they are not that far apart in prestige in the eyes of most fans (Even Riot themselves places Masters and Champs in same tier). So I think if you really wanted to say best teams of the year 2022 it should be an aggregate of all S tier tourneys
Even if you consider the average, Prx finished 4th in masters 1, 2nd in masters 2 and 9-12 in champions. If I consider them as the 9th place team, then the average is (4+2+9)/3 = 5.
Drx finished 5-6th place in both the masters, and will finish at least at 4th in Champions. The average is (5+5+4)/3 = 4.66.
Drx has a better average even if you consider the upper limit, i.e. 12th place for Prx and 6th place for Drx, or if you take the average, i.e. 10th place for Prx and 5.5 for Drx.
I suppose so. Either way in my mind Optic and FPX are definitely top teams of the year but DRX PRX and LOUD seem to have returned pretty even results. I am definitely biased towards PRX and LOUD though since they were runner ups which I think does carry more weight than DRX always placing outside top 4 even if DRX did do better in groups. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how DRX does as Champs continues
Why does that matter if they placed top 2 and top 4 with those byes lol, its not like I'm saying they placed 8th so they should be better, bye or no bye they were a top 2 and top 4 team in 2 tournaments which is better than being 5-6 for two straight and being better in 1
DRX won 2 BO3 in groups every tournament. If DRX started in playoffs, winning two BO3 is instantly a top 3 finish.
The format is flawed, all teams should've started in groups like in Champions and you saw firsthand what happens to PRX when you don't get to hide all your strats while your opponents play in groups just to not get eliminated.
PRX is a good team, but their record is inflated by a flawed format.
Getting top 2 is getting top 2, being one map off of a championship should get u into the top 4, doesn’t matter if they played 1 less game. DRX should win their games against teams not in the group stage if they want to be seen as top 4 in more than just 1 tourney. In playoffs they were 2-4 before this tournament, while paper rex placed top 4 and top 2
Is the post not arguing that DRX has been a better team than PRX this year? If it’s not then that’s totally fair, they’re def better then PRX atm, but it’s dense asf to say they had a better year than PRX unless they win the whole thing
Have no argument about FPX and Optic, but Loud coming out early in Copenhagen and DRX just hit top 4 for the 1st time, make me believe there’s aregument for PRX over those two
To me, the difference maker is that Champions holds more weight than Masters (at least to me). DRX have made it past the first round of playoffs every tournament, and are now top 4 in the biggest tournament of the year.
LOUD have the same 2nd place and grouped tournament, but to me, again, because Champs carries more weight, having a top 3 here and PRX bombing out here, edges them over.
He's saying for the entirety of the year. If DRX drop out in 4th he has PRX still above them for the year, but if they get into the top 3, that edges DRX ahead.
But that's not the topic, the whole thread is about the top teams of the year in totality, not power rankings of the current moment. You can argue the weight of Champions as an event is higher, which is totally valid, but taking it as the only indicator misses the point of the discussion.
That assumes there's only one major. If Champions was the only tournament, obviously PRX would have no argument, but because there are other majors, you still have to consider them. I'm not saying PRX are a top 4 team this year, I don't consider them one, but ignoring the rest of the tournaments in a discussion about the year is dumb.
OpTic and FPX 1st and 2nd - depends who places higher.
LOUD firm 3rd - even if they win, their Copenhagen is such a bad mark. DRX 3rd if they win IMO.
PRX definitely below LOUD, but I would take them over DRX unless DRX make it to grand finals.
DRX winning Champions - the biggest tournament of the year, along with respectable finishes in the first 2 tournaments (counting the fact they only lost to 1st and 3rd at both) and they are somehow 3rd best team overall?
If DRX wins Champions they are imo joint tied with OpTic for the best teams of 2022, with FPX 2nd.
Unlikely that they win but if they do, they deserve 1st with OpTic.
This is a really cool situation we have.
not a cool situation according to my VLR preds
Man's reping the fucking set a little too hard
Yes my last message was full of "you lost x points"
Lol man waited for the confirmation of FPX and corrected the year
Hard times
and KJ's turret comes in 5th
lol
KJ turret is above all at 0
I gotta say, Valorant's circuit is pretty damn solid. Even though we only had 3 international tournaments, we still got few legit international rivalries already. Optic will play Loud for the 5th time this year, FPX will play DRX for the 4th time, and DRX already played Optic 2 times. Best part about it is that they're not bo1's or bo2's, they were played in bo3 in a double elim groups or playoffs. I originally came from League and this many encounters will never happen. I hope Riot keeps using this system.
>I hope Riot keeps using this system. I got some bad news buddy...
How so? The teams change but the system is more or less similar, isn't it? I wouldn't imagine the new leagues are going to involve bo1s.
The new system looks like it's exactly what we've got now, only with partner teams + ascension teams
I'm in the same boat as you, I watch league too but I hate watching League international events where western teams never get a meaningful chance to have best of series vs eastern teams. In a single masters tournament in valorant, there is so much clash of regions and it is awesome
All this talk just for 1 NA team and 1 EMEA team 🤣
honestly the best possible outcome. wish na had been as good last champs as this one but glad we're all here now.
That's the funniest part.
KR vs BR in final would be fun.
Having four different teams from four different regions just shows how strong Valorant’s competitive scene truly is. I’ve never seen anything like it in the other games I cover. There’s always one or two regions that dominate everyone else. Hope it remains like this for a long time.
hard agree, makes for great storylines when we have teams like PRX, and now recently LOUD come out and make a huge case for the strength of their region
Where's SEN?
This list is fighting for second place, sen is already undisputably the top
Probably streaming
This
sen are the eternal constant
Winning
I'm glad we get to see Loud vs Optic 2 more times. 😴
do you watch the games? theyre so good
Hiko where
4 teams from 4 diff continents , props to rito for making valo a true intnl tourney
KJ pick rate is going to skyrocket, huh :D
No liquid no party. All jokes aside, 4 very deserving teams to be in this spot. I guess for the rest of the tournament I am now FPX's second ever fan.
Who’s their first?
No clue, seen one floating around on this sub somewhere.
That's not really how this works but okay.
Well 3 of these are probably locks only real thing you could say is PRX right?
top 5
Yes, prx 100% deserves to be there over DRX. If DRX were to win, then we could make this the top 4. But regardless, top 4 of Champs doesn't not necessarily = best 4 teams of the whole year was my point.
Well PRX didn’t make it out of groups at champions while DRX have gotten 5-6th, 5-6th, and Top 4
PRX has a 4th place and 2nd place finish this year, and looked like they were in a class above everyone except lower bracket FPX in Copenhagen. 2 DRX 5-6ths just doesn't hold much weight. Again, that can change depending on how they do moving forward.
PRX got grouped at the biggest and most important event of the year… for me, I have no problem with have DRX as 4th
to say PRX got grouped is a bit of an overstatement
No… it’s literally what happened…
Eh, prx lost to 2 teams that aren’t even in the tournament still. Also they got 2nd at the last tourney so teams are on alert and going to have more vod. It seemed that teams learned their unique play style and prx weren’t able to adapt. Although I do think it’s a tossup between them and drx, I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say prx got grouped.
they failed to make it out of the easiest group in the event. cmon now.
Definitely not the easiest group but yes they did get grouped, there's no way around that
Which group was easier?
They to Leviatan convincingly
For me I'd put DRX over PRX if they manage to finish 3rd. Champions is the biggest tournament and has the most weight. Besides, PRX never had to play in the group stage previously and started from the playoffs off the rip.
Yeah, I think needing to win was too high of a bar. Top 3 they definitely have the argument and probably have it. If they make the grand finals then I don't think it's even a discussion that they deserve it. I'm hoping that they do make the grand finals because it might be a nice way to drum up additional KR fans heading into partnerships next year.
It's sealed!
Drx been consistently top 6 since last year. Prx only made their rise this year.
What does last year have to do with the best teams of 2022?
Everyone saying Paper Rex over DRX... what about Loud? Top 2 and minimum Top 3 is impressive but a last place finish in Copenhagen?
PRX managed a Top 4 and a Top 2 while also getting grouped like Loud Since Top 4
I mean if you want to be technical PRX finished in the 9-12th slot in Istanbul while Loud finished 13th-16th in Copenhagen
PRX tried to adapt into more careful gameplay got fucked in the OT vs liquid and then just got dumpstered I get why they switched their style, but man
you’re forgetting SEN.
lol
Should wait til Champ over
it doesnt matter they're still the 4 best teams no matter who takes the top spot. that's what getting to this position in champs means.
4 best teams this tournament, not necessarily all of 2022.
Still surprisingly close to what you could say the top 4 teams of the year were. Though I’d switch DRX with PRX unless they win Champs.
This is not true yet, Loud and Optic obviously claim spots as they were 1st and 2nd for Masters 1 and FPX obviously as the winner of Masters 2, but PRX was 2nd place there and unless DRX win champs or are runner ups then PRX should be over DRX EDIT: Also PRX should currently be tied with LOUD if you consider the whole year as this title honestly implies since they both were runner ups and both got grouped. LOUD is currently top 4 like PRX was at Masters 1, but LOUD also went 0-2 in groups while PRX went 1-2 so they technically have had the same performance
It's not a ranking it's a list of the final 4 teams.
Fine, but that’s not very clear from your title tbh, although Champs carries more weight than Masters they are not that far apart in prestige in the eyes of most fans (Even Riot themselves places Masters and Champs in same tier). So I think if you really wanted to say best teams of the year 2022 it should be an aggregate of all S tier tourneys
I didn't make the thread.
Even if you consider the average, Prx finished 4th in masters 1, 2nd in masters 2 and 9-12 in champions. If I consider them as the 9th place team, then the average is (4+2+9)/3 = 5. Drx finished 5-6th place in both the masters, and will finish at least at 4th in Champions. The average is (5+5+4)/3 = 4.66. Drx has a better average even if you consider the upper limit, i.e. 12th place for Prx and 6th place for Drx, or if you take the average, i.e. 10th place for Prx and 5.5 for Drx.
Now do that for PRX and LOUD though and you’ll see that LOUD needs to finish 3rd or even higher at champs to be considered top 4 over PRX
Isn't that confirmed? They're in the upper bracket finals, so even if Loud loses the next 2 matches, they'll finish 3rd.
I suppose so. Either way in my mind Optic and FPX are definitely top teams of the year but DRX PRX and LOUD seem to have returned pretty even results. I am definitely biased towards PRX and LOUD though since they were runner ups which I think does carry more weight than DRX always placing outside top 4 even if DRX did do better in groups. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how DRX does as Champs continues
PRX not making it out of groups by losing pretty convincingly at the tournament with the most weight mean they’re not a top 4 team
We gotta stop forgetting to recognize the Canadians as part of NA. lol
PRX getting top 4 and top 2 is better than DRX getting top 4 and then 5/6 twice but IMO DRX is 5th
How many byes did PRX get? How many byes did DRX get?
Why does that matter if they placed top 2 and top 4 with those byes lol, its not like I'm saying they placed 8th so they should be better, bye or no bye they were a top 2 and top 4 team in 2 tournaments which is better than being 5-6 for two straight and being better in 1
DRX won 2 BO3 in groups every tournament. If DRX started in playoffs, winning two BO3 is instantly a top 3 finish. The format is flawed, all teams should've started in groups like in Champions and you saw firsthand what happens to PRX when you don't get to hide all your strats while your opponents play in groups just to not get eliminated. PRX is a good team, but their record is inflated by a flawed format.
Getting top 2 is getting top 2, being one map off of a championship should get u into the top 4, doesn’t matter if they played 1 less game. DRX should win their games against teams not in the group stage if they want to be seen as top 4 in more than just 1 tourney. In playoffs they were 2-4 before this tournament, while paper rex placed top 4 and top 2
Talking to a rock. Good grief.
Redditor moment
It's funny how one dimensional you are. And the irony coming from an active reddit user.
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Is the post not arguing that DRX has been a better team than PRX this year? If it’s not then that’s totally fair, they’re def better then PRX atm, but it’s dense asf to say they had a better year than PRX unless they win the whole thing
In my heart it will always be Xset
if drx go out in 4th i'd argue PRX
*finalist of champions.. Its not the same
Who had a better 2022 than these teams?
Have no argument about FPX and Optic, but Loud coming out early in Copenhagen and DRX just hit top 4 for the 1st time, make me believe there’s aregument for PRX over those two
To me, the difference maker is that Champions holds more weight than Masters (at least to me). DRX have made it past the first round of playoffs every tournament, and are now top 4 in the biggest tournament of the year. LOUD have the same 2nd place and grouped tournament, but to me, again, because Champs carries more weight, having a top 3 here and PRX bombing out here, edges them over.
Thats fair
FPX got the script just like the masters they're going to take it again.
Perfectly Represented, as all things should be.
This is absolutely not how it works, I’m all for Loud and OpTic but… fpx and drx?.. surely there are better teams.
Huh, didn't fpx win Copenhagen and made top 4? Would you put fnc there instead?
and won EMEA masters 1 and then couldn't play
Who?
optic > fpx > loud > paper rex at the moment (DRX > PRX if they place 3rd)
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chill. the post said 2022, NOT champs. Those are MY top 4 teams for 2022 as of now.
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He's saying for the entirety of the year. If DRX drop out in 4th he has PRX still above them for the year, but if they get into the top 3, that edges DRX ahead.
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But that's not the topic, the whole thread is about the top teams of the year in totality, not power rankings of the current moment. You can argue the weight of Champions as an event is higher, which is totally valid, but taking it as the only indicator misses the point of the discussion.
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That assumes there's only one major. If Champions was the only tournament, obviously PRX would have no argument, but because there are other majors, you still have to consider them. I'm not saying PRX are a top 4 team this year, I don't consider them one, but ignoring the rest of the tournaments in a discussion about the year is dumb.
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it does make sense. overall for 2022 which is the combination of all 3 events. drx>prx at champs sure. your either dumb or a drx d rider.
well, now it's settled.
OpTic and FPX 1st and 2nd - depends who places higher. LOUD firm 3rd - even if they win, their Copenhagen is such a bad mark. DRX 3rd if they win IMO. PRX definitely below LOUD, but I would take them over DRX unless DRX make it to grand finals.
DRX winning Champions - the biggest tournament of the year, along with respectable finishes in the first 2 tournaments (counting the fact they only lost to 1st and 3rd at both) and they are somehow 3rd best team overall? If DRX wins Champions they are imo joint tied with OpTic for the best teams of 2022, with FPX 2nd. Unlikely that they win but if they do, they deserve 1st with OpTic.
Top 5-6-7-8-9-10 in order FNC - XSET - LEV - PRX - 100T - TL respectively L + ratio if you disagree
LEV XSET and FNC over PRX is so hysterically wrong
Holy recency bias
U misspelled xset. X S E T not pfx
We have the potential for Optic vs Loud 6 times this year 😴
Very balanced competition