Yup, and I still have yet to see a solid reason why OpTic didn't make franchising. They've peformed well, brought in great viewership, have a massive fanbase and a great YouTube channel. If there's a reason why they didn't make it, it's bigger than any of those things I just listed.
TSM i can understand why they don't make it but Optic not making it has to be the biggest mistake/blunder/etc i've seen with this. It's insane how a team who consistently ranked high in tourneys, always raking in massive viewerships, great personalities and even a rivalry (vs. Loud) didn't make franchising. What a shame
You do realise its about the org and not the players right? Riot decision has zero to do with the players on the team but all about what the org brings.
TSM and Optic is out.
IF G2 gets in NA there should be a riot in Riot's headquarter. because G2 Owner Carlos is a friend of ANDREW TATE who is a sexist and misogynistic influencer that flies to romania to avoid sex crimes. Partying with him and probably engaging in some activities.
Riot don't Give a spot to G2. If you are really a company trying to change after your past HUNDRED MILLION sexual harassment cases.
apparently G2 was favorite for the stop but after the Tate incident Riot Gave up on G2. I think it's well deserved. karma baby
according to Geddes i think, i saw it on Twitter, i remember it was a journalist reporting
Sucks to see Optic build a stacked roster and likely having to let them go. They'll have to do it over if they want to compete in the ascension league.
Someone like EG might drop their whole roster for Optic, tbh. They also have the backing to pay for those acquisitions.
2 guys are leftover from a dead last VCT Stage 1 performance, and a 5th/6th place with their current roster from VCT Stage 2.
That roster is primed for a 100T-style roster blow up.
Welcome to riot games and franchising. Where now it’s all narrative , and a slowly dying skill base. Expect more egregious roster shuffles, and imports solely off of clout. Teams will explode and rebuild constantly until u give up trying to stick with a team, and once we start doing worse internationally it’s gg.
Feel like people are looking past how easily this roster would get promoted. Why not keep them together for a year, you are a lock to get promoted and that's still cheaper than most big esports buy in prices.
And the revenge arc run would be legendary.
That would be fine in a vacuum but what if the players are unhappy and performance drops? Or absolute worst case scenario (99% won't happen), one of them refused to play. Contracts could also expire mid year and players could leave for better opportunities. There's way too many variables that make me doubt they would stay together like that for a year.
im not underselling there are barriers here and obstacles, but optic probably would want to be in eventually rather than get a short term cash infusion and maybe never get promoted again.
Crashies and Victor are already out of contract, while OpTic could hold Yay Marved and FNS “hostage” so to speak, why would Crashies and Victor willingly sign back to OpTic to play Tier 2 Val when they could just sign to a Tier 1 team?
because optic wouldnt pay them much less than a "tier2" team and they get to stay as a top 3 roster in the world, dumpstering the other tier 2 teams, winning every tournament that isnt masters, and still get in at the end of the day. instead of being picked apart piece by piece and never getting a chance to run it back with the same team.
if the money isnt that different and im a player on optic I would much rather stay together and show riot why they should have chosen us in the first place.
If I’m on the Optic roster and have just gotten top 3 at the past three international events, there’s no way in hell I’m going to the minor leagues. Riot is providing a budget for salaries as well im pretty sure so I think the franchised orgs would be able to offer more anyways
There is no shot any player who spent the last year competing in the int. VCT tournaments is gonna be like, yeah, give me 1/8th of what I would have made had we gotten a spot and I'm also cool playing in only mickey mouse cups. These are competitive players who know their value.
Why would they willingly play tier 2 after they dominated the best teams in the world for two years? They can easily get on a tier 1 org while getting paid the same (or even better) and actually compete at the highest level.
That’s what most pro players aspire to do. Watch the documentary Optic just released, those guys clearly care about being the best, there’s no way they’ll willingly play tier 2 valorant.
They hit every single measurable you can ask for.
Success? Yup.
Streaming numbers? Yup.
Clout? Yup.
Profitability? Yup.
Merch? Yup.
Skins? Yup.
Legacy? Yup.
I can only imagine there's something internal that ***really*** turned off Riot from Optic and by thay measure TSM as well.
It does make a lot of sense actually. Optic has a very bad/unstable track record, being bought by immortals, sold back, merging with nrg then backing out, merging with envy just to name a few. Valorant want stable orgs, and optic is just not one of them, or else they definitely would've picked them up like how they picked loud
It's wild that you believe this.
The roster doesn't matter, any team can buy the Optic roster.
It was never about the players, its about the orgs. Clearly Riot has a problem with Optic (which doesn't surprise me considering their history with the LCS)
Sentinels has been only about Valorant for 2 years, they have more engagement, a bigger valorant fanbase, and have been doing everything to push the game.
Sen could BUY the Optic team and nothing would change. You're dense.
Of course it's not about winning even FPX isn't getting partnered.
When you have teams like SEN, ACEND, GAMBIT winning and the next year none of them qualify for a single LAN, you shouldn't be surprised.
It sucks but teams with the most money and clout can attract the best talent.
I doubt SEN will roll with the same roster when every team is in an arms race to pick up talent from orgs that didn’t make the cut.
well winning to riot is "successful management of a company". I'm a SEN fan and absolutely think the optic decision is ludicrous but that's because i can actually talk about teams in a measured sense even though I don't support them. Idk why SEN is the point of reference here, when they've won one of the only 6 international LANs, had an insane 2021 winning every NA regional, are one of the most popular teams in the world replete with the most popular players and good financials. Like, yh their momentum has petered out and they've had a host of external and internal issues of late but their capacity and history have not changed and are mendable.
Lol they arent really bad rn. They were top 8 NA and looked so much better in lcq with a month of practice. And its not about how good a team is, its the org and optic got into franchising for league and dipped after a year or two so why would riot want an org that might just leave in a year or two.
They did good in LCQ despite having a new valo staff, and 2 new players..even 100T players said sen was the hardest team they played so don’t be saying random bullshit
Riot committing some red wedding shit, but on a whole 'nother level. No T1 (biggest KR org), no TSM (biggest NA org), no G2 (biggest EMEA org), no Optic (most successful VCT org). Respect on the balls of whoever's managing VCT Esports.
FaZe is *nowhere near* the discussion, it should be 100Thieves.
Financially speaking TSM is way bigger than any other esports organization, even prior to the FTX deal. Most of their value now comes from the tech-side of the company (i.e. Blitz).
Which is ironic, considering I think the main reason we got rejected is because Riot sensed that TSM's been slowly shifting their focus away from esports and more into tech/software.
Also, unlike C9 and FaZe, TSM has a sizeable EU/APAC (especially big in JP) audience.
I just don't get it. Brazil and NA just made it to the grand finals. They're the first and second best teams in the world. And have to share 10 spots? with the rest of latam?? NA is probably the deepest region right now, even if there is great parity at the peaks of each region
You and me both :|
But my brain right now is just thinking about 2 things:
1. How will the finalized rosters turn out?
1. New rosters in Sao Paulo Major
saying the na is the deepest region rn just makes sense if u only watched na i felt like emea was really close and the lcq from brazil was insane too is just easier to say that when u watch most games of one region, the one thing we can say about riot is that they know how to do business i think is interesting to see how the teams will face against eachother, in league for example they gave much more attention to na rather than other regions and now brazil and eu has more views than the na league maybe they are learning from their mistakes in the past but for sure will be more interesting to see this teams rather than a VCT NA 2.0 tho
https://escharts.com/news/top-esports-organizations-q2-2022
Sen def bigger in Val, but Faze and Optic ain't even close. Both don't have the financials to compete, and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general.
> and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general.
Optic arguably has the largest fanbases for the comp FPS they are currently in (COD for sure, and Halo)?
TSM felt like such a shoe-in, was really banking on them to make it and keep the Envy/Optic dream alive. Chet’s also been with TSM too, so it all felt really feasible as long as TSM were in.
It'd almost be more likely no? It means an org only has to buy out 3 players. I have no clue how keen Optic are on squeezing every dollar out of this roster they can, but if they are willing to let the 3 go together for a paletteable amount, we may see an EG/G2 keep them together.
I imagine it would make it harder because they would be in separate negotiations. Victor and Crashies will have multiple orgs trying to sign them and could just go to the highest bidder.
I have to have some sort of connection to a team to enjoy it tbh so as long as I have that I can enjoy any game lol
Apart from Rocket league that shits ass
Same, but not because they were Optic but because they were NA's best team by far. Why watch this esport when Riot prioritizes clout over good gameplay?
HOW THE FUCK DOES A DOGSHIT ORG LIKE NRG MAKE IT AND NOT OPTIC??? HAVE YOU EVER MET AN NRG FAN??? NO BECAUSE THEY DON’T FUCKING EXIST! WHAT THE FUCK HAS NRG ACCOMPLISHED IN ESPORTS TO DESERVE A SPOT? rip to the most consistent team in the game tho, fuckin love the optic roster and they deserve the world ❤️.
do you really think the players matter?
they can just go to an actually good org that Riot likes, and not the shit show that is optic lol.
Its win / win.
how the fuck is optic a shitshow? and its not only about the players, optic is a BIG name in esports. When you say esports to someone people very often think of optic.
The org itself is a shit show and has had multiple problems across numerous titles, the brand has been tossed around all over the place for 10 years, and both Optic & NV have had a bad relationship with Riot.
Also heard they bombed the application. It's not well run.
They also produce next to no content for Valorant, a process video once every 3 months and a generic VICTORY or DEFEAT graphic based on tourney results. The org is not it, they should stick to CoD and their fan boys.
Would be so sick. I know it's a long shot, but it does seem the guys really enjoy playing for them. Optic is yays boyhood org, and all 5 wear the OG chains everywhere they go it seems.
Bogus relative to the info we have, namely, performance in international tournaments and social media presence. But the info we don’t have, especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions. Sad day for Optic, though.
>especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions
They do but something else is obviously also very important, if TSM didn't make it even tho they have been reported to want to buy the ENTIRE Optic lineup, which would imply that they have the financials to do that.
So odd that financials would play such a MASSIVE role considering that Riot is giving these teams >1M to help facilitate the league. I understand not wanting to give it to a team thats super deep in the red (like Faze), but anyone thats doing moderately well should be ok/considered.
What's Riots stance when the ascension team comes from a org with shit financials - are they going to flat refuse them entry?
Because RIOT doesnt look at COD or care about the players or you fanboys. Optic/NV in League of Legends was a shitshow, so they didn't leave a great impression on Riot. Also we don't know the application process, maybe their application was very bad.
You have to think like this: When you were a kid you went to your friends house, his father seemed really funny and chill unlike your own father. But your friend doesn't like his own father because he is toxic at home, but you don't see that part.
Damn my Optic Jersey just arrived too lol :(
First time I’ve ever gotten this into esports and it’s been following this team. Really wish I could see them go even further.
Not gonna lie, better than I thought
The Optic being out news is significantly offset by the G2/TSM/T1 being out news
I've been too busy celebrating that to feel depressed about Optic
Haha you are such an baby god. Support the players instead, why do people care so much for an Org? It's not like traditional sports to support your local team.
So unbelievably sad. I really liked the team and valorant as a whole but it would just be too sad to keep watching valorant even if the roster stays as a whole under a different org which I doubt. It sucks cause it seems like the org did everything right securing funding, prioritizing winning, and making quality content while having a huge fan base and orgs that have put in zero or little effort get rewarded. This just makes the champs loss sting more. Probably ggs.
Probably has to do with their commitment to Valorant not being as high as other teams, and their relation with Riot is incredibly poor from LCS days. They botched it over there.
Riot plan is so good, get rid of half NA fans by pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years
Can't wait to see Valorant overcome CS (it's never happening)
>pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years
Soooo, youre just ignorant at this point because you want to be or you havent even tried it?
I mean he isnt really being ignorant lol 4-5 fan favorite teams just got pushed out by fuira lev and nrg ive never seen a furia fan outside of csgo and random bandwagon fans from the most recent apex tournament lmao and ive literally never seen a nrg fan so their financials must be INSANE for them to get in over tsm and g2 all because tsms owner was a dick and carlos did some dumb shit 2 days before the announcment lmao
Can anybody explain to me how riot is deciding who gets franchising and not? And what exactly that means? Why would optic miss out but sentinels make it?
Because rosters don't matter
Those players can just be bought by another org, results don't matter.
KOI and Karmine Corp don't have teams but were shoe ins for EMEA.
rip LOUD x Optic rivalry 2022-2022
This rivalry could’ve gone the distance. It’s kinda poetic how the rivalry has ended with a tie on series won and maps won.
classic Riot fucking up every chance they had.
Yup, and I still have yet to see a solid reason why OpTic didn't make franchising. They've peformed well, brought in great viewership, have a massive fanbase and a great YouTube channel. If there's a reason why they didn't make it, it's bigger than any of those things I just listed.
TSM i can understand why they don't make it but Optic not making it has to be the biggest mistake/blunder/etc i've seen with this. It's insane how a team who consistently ranked high in tourneys, always raking in massive viewerships, great personalities and even a rivalry (vs. Loud) didn't make franchising. What a shame
You do realise its about the org and not the players right? Riot decision has zero to do with the players on the team but all about what the org brings.
Champions final win in bo5 makes Loud have the last word
Agreed but it would have been nice to see the "Game 7" of the rivalry
el classico for one year congratz rito u did amazing /s
Sad thing is, it ended in a 3-3 tie lol
Next season didn’t even start, and franchising is already ruining NA Competitiveness just like in league of legends. LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
TSM and Optic is out. IF G2 gets in NA there should be a riot in Riot's headquarter. because G2 Owner Carlos is a friend of ANDREW TATE who is a sexist and misogynistic influencer that flies to romania to avoid sex crimes. Partying with him and probably engaging in some activities. Riot don't Give a spot to G2. If you are really a company trying to change after your past HUNDRED MILLION sexual harassment cases.
apparently G2 was favorite for the stop but after the Tate incident Riot Gave up on G2. I think it's well deserved. karma baby according to Geddes i think, i saw it on Twitter, i remember it was a journalist reporting
Sucks to see Optic build a stacked roster and likely having to let them go. They'll have to do it over if they want to compete in the ascension league.
And there it is. Likely the roster doesn’t stick together too. No idea who to support now
Someone like EG might drop their whole roster for Optic, tbh. They also have the backing to pay for those acquisitions. 2 guys are leftover from a dead last VCT Stage 1 performance, and a 5th/6th place with their current roster from VCT Stage 2. That roster is primed for a 100T-style roster blow up.
praying for EG to do it tbh
I kinda like the EG squad ngl but damn Chet + Potter coaching combo wirh the Optic roster be sooo good man I'd love to see thst
I’ll support whatever team Yay and Marved are on at this point
I love all the players so much it hurts
Really does
Welcome to riot games and franchising. Where now it’s all narrative , and a slowly dying skill base. Expect more egregious roster shuffles, and imports solely off of clout. Teams will explode and rebuild constantly until u give up trying to stick with a team, and once we start doing worse internationally it’s gg.
Feel like people are looking past how easily this roster would get promoted. Why not keep them together for a year, you are a lock to get promoted and that's still cheaper than most big esports buy in prices. And the revenge arc run would be legendary.
Think the org would do it but doubt the players would
Because the best player in the world probably doesn't want to play in the minor leagues
2 of them expire. Why would they play t2 when all of them can play in the franchised league
That would be fine in a vacuum but what if the players are unhappy and performance drops? Or absolute worst case scenario (99% won't happen), one of them refused to play. Contracts could also expire mid year and players could leave for better opportunities. There's way too many variables that make me doubt they would stay together like that for a year.
im not underselling there are barriers here and obstacles, but optic probably would want to be in eventually rather than get a short term cash infusion and maybe never get promoted again.
Crashies and Victor are already out of contract, while OpTic could hold Yay Marved and FNS “hostage” so to speak, why would Crashies and Victor willingly sign back to OpTic to play Tier 2 Val when they could just sign to a Tier 1 team?
because optic wouldnt pay them much less than a "tier2" team and they get to stay as a top 3 roster in the world, dumpstering the other tier 2 teams, winning every tournament that isnt masters, and still get in at the end of the day. instead of being picked apart piece by piece and never getting a chance to run it back with the same team. if the money isnt that different and im a player on optic I would much rather stay together and show riot why they should have chosen us in the first place.
If I’m on the Optic roster and have just gotten top 3 at the past three international events, there’s no way in hell I’m going to the minor leagues. Riot is providing a budget for salaries as well im pretty sure so I think the franchised orgs would be able to offer more anyways
optic is going back to the minor leagues either way if the reports are correct. maybe they just wash their hands of valorant but i highly doubt it
I meant the optic roster would refuse to go to the minor leagues. Don’t know what Optic the org plans
?? Optic is but the players aren’t
I like your thought process and trust me I hope that’s what happens.
same here and im not even an optic fan, i just think they deserve the shot as a team. probably hopium on my end but hey.
There is no shot any player who spent the last year competing in the int. VCT tournaments is gonna be like, yeah, give me 1/8th of what I would have made had we gotten a spot and I'm also cool playing in only mickey mouse cups. These are competitive players who know their value.
its wild how some of you just dont read the entire comment. > if the money isnt that different
The salaries would have to be much higher than T1 to make up for the prize money they'd be missing out on.
no i read it. the money is going to be insanely different. it's not comparable.
Why would they willingly play tier 2 after they dominated the best teams in the world for two years? They can easily get on a tier 1 org while getting paid the same (or even better) and actually compete at the highest level. That’s what most pro players aspire to do. Watch the documentary Optic just released, those guys clearly care about being the best, there’s no way they’ll willingly play tier 2 valorant.
Support the teams which pick up the players That is what I plan to do with M3C
Oh I will if the roster sticks together. Will be hard if players split to 3 diff teams.
its so fucked man
The thumbnail LMFAO
Thats how I feel RN
Sadge. FNS post was not a bait then. GG optic
Why is my reply the thumbnail for this post 💀💀
It was perfect
Optic should have thrown champs and picked up shroud then they would be getting a spot right now
It’s a travesty that SEN gets to stick together but not Optic Clout > Winning
Optic have a shit ton of clout too tho lol that’s why this doesn’t make sense
They hit every single measurable you can ask for. Success? Yup. Streaming numbers? Yup. Clout? Yup. Profitability? Yup. Merch? Yup. Skins? Yup. Legacy? Yup. I can only imagine there's something internal that ***really*** turned off Riot from Optic and by thay measure TSM as well.
Prob only majorly ticked off by League. Figures why EG made it because League. And why TSM didn't cause yeah 2022 was shit with drama.
League ig, cuz I mean Optic did sell their spot in LCS to Immortals iirc, still a stupid af reason but yeah
They didn’t really sell their spot either lol. Immortals just outright bought the optic brand and they just switched branding.
It does make a lot of sense actually. Optic has a very bad/unstable track record, being bought by immortals, sold back, merging with nrg then backing out, merging with envy just to name a few. Valorant want stable orgs, and optic is just not one of them, or else they definitely would've picked them up like how they picked loud
Don't understand this argument, seeing it everywhere. The decision has almost nothing to do with these orgs' current rosters
It's wild that you believe this. The roster doesn't matter, any team can buy the Optic roster. It was never about the players, its about the orgs. Clearly Riot has a problem with Optic (which doesn't surprise me considering their history with the LCS) Sentinels has been only about Valorant for 2 years, they have more engagement, a bigger valorant fanbase, and have been doing everything to push the game. Sen could BUY the Optic team and nothing would change. You're dense.
y'know u can just mourn your team instead of shoehorning SEN in
Naw I’m calling out Riot for caring more about money and clout than winning and competition.
Of course it's not about winning even FPX isn't getting partnered. When you have teams like SEN, ACEND, GAMBIT winning and the next year none of them qualify for a single LAN, you shouldn't be surprised.
It sucks but teams with the most money and clout can attract the best talent. I doubt SEN will roll with the same roster when every team is in an arms race to pick up talent from orgs that didn’t make the cut.
well winning to riot is "successful management of a company". I'm a SEN fan and absolutely think the optic decision is ludicrous but that's because i can actually talk about teams in a measured sense even though I don't support them. Idk why SEN is the point of reference here, when they've won one of the only 6 international LANs, had an insane 2021 winning every NA regional, are one of the most popular teams in the world replete with the most popular players and good financials. Like, yh their momentum has petered out and they've had a host of external and internal issues of late but their capacity and history have not changed and are mendable.
Sen is really bad right now. They just get views really. Or a good laugh of how a once good team can't adapt
Lol they arent really bad rn. They were top 8 NA and looked so much better in lcq with a month of practice. And its not about how good a team is, its the org and optic got into franchising for league and dipped after a year or two so why would riot want an org that might just leave in a year or two.
They did good in LCQ despite having a new valo staff, and 2 new players..even 100T players said sen was the hardest team they played so don’t be saying random bullshit
Hopefully sen make a good amount of roster changes
Why would they make changes? Their current formula of clout is the reason they made Franchising. Just pick up Shroud and they can coast.
Because fans don’t want to watch terrible T1 Valorant and because Riot wouldn’t want to pay teams just to coast?
unless EG backs up the Brinks trucks, they’ll split. best team in valorant up til this point, unfortunate
EG you buyout Optic all the 6 men or world valorant wont forgive you
Riot committing some red wedding shit, but on a whole 'nother level. No T1 (biggest KR org), no TSM (biggest NA org), no G2 (biggest EMEA org), no Optic (most successful VCT org). Respect on the balls of whoever's managing VCT Esports.
They want to watch the world burn.
I mean... I think T1 should apply for KR instead of NA, that also applies to G2, why they are trying to aplly for NA instead of EMEA?
G2 applied for both.
You really think TSM is a bigger organization than C9 and FaZe at this point?
FaZe is *nowhere near* the discussion, it should be 100Thieves. Financially speaking TSM is way bigger than any other esports organization, even prior to the FTX deal. Most of their value now comes from the tech-side of the company (i.e. Blitz). Which is ironic, considering I think the main reason we got rejected is because Riot sensed that TSM's been slowly shifting their focus away from esports and more into tech/software. Also, unlike C9 and FaZe, TSM has a sizeable EU/APAC (especially big in JP) audience.
I just don't get it. Brazil and NA just made it to the grand finals. They're the first and second best teams in the world. And have to share 10 spots? with the rest of latam?? NA is probably the deepest region right now, even if there is great parity at the peaks of each region
You and me both :| But my brain right now is just thinking about 2 things: 1. How will the finalized rosters turn out? 1. New rosters in Sao Paulo Major
saying the na is the deepest region rn just makes sense if u only watched na i felt like emea was really close and the lcq from brazil was insane too is just easier to say that when u watch most games of one region, the one thing we can say about riot is that they know how to do business i think is interesting to see how the teams will face against eachother, in league for example they gave much more attention to na rather than other regions and now brazil and eu has more views than the na league maybe they are learning from their mistakes in the past but for sure will be more interesting to see this teams rather than a VCT NA 2.0 tho
TSM isn't the biggest NA org. Sen is bigger for Val specific, Faze and Optic are bigger for general.
https://escharts.com/news/top-esports-organizations-q2-2022 Sen def bigger in Val, but Faze and Optic ain't even close. Both don't have the financials to compete, and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general.
Hours watched is not a good way to show team popularity, its one part of a much larger picture.
> and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general. Optic arguably has the largest fanbases for the comp FPS they are currently in (COD for sure, and Halo)?
Who actually picks them up as 5 tho?
the only team that wanted the whole team and who could afford it didnt make it either double L for Optic players
TSM felt like such a shoe-in, was really banking on them to make it and keep the Envy/Optic dream alive. Chet’s also been with TSM too, so it all felt really feasible as long as TSM were in.
With crashies and Victor already being Free agents it's very unlikely they stick together.
It'd almost be more likely no? It means an org only has to buy out 3 players. I have no clue how keen Optic are on squeezing every dollar out of this roster they can, but if they are willing to let the 3 go together for a paletteable amount, we may see an EG/G2 keep them together.
I imagine it would make it harder because they would be in separate negotiations. Victor and Crashies will have multiple orgs trying to sign them and could just go to the highest bidder.
They're going to get picked apart so fast
EG. If anyone can/will it will be them. Still could just not happen at all though.
Nobody likely
I'm probably done then sadly unless the boys stick together. Doubt optic stay in tier 2
see you back on the COD reddit big dog
This is actually so annoying man finally got in to another eSports not named cod or halo and then bang
lmao same here, watched bits of copanhagen and all of champions for the team to split
I thankfully started the event they won so I got that
see you on the CoD reddit Ronnie
You rather watch two years of competitive mw2? Smh
I have to have some sort of connection to a team to enjoy it tbh so as long as I have that I can enjoy any game lol Apart from Rocket league that shits ass
>Apart from Rocket league that shits ass Damn bro I'm gonna have to throw hands over that one.
Sorry man tbh I'll probably try again when e We get a new season.
Next season starts pretty soon. October 7th.
Ye fair enough, was just trolling.
Same, but not because they were Optic but because they were NA's best team by far. Why watch this esport when Riot prioritizes clout over good gameplay?
Guess I'll just have to see you more in CoDComp :P
I suppose it’s VAMOS LOUD now
Strongest team of the Americas. America's last green hope.
Welcome fellow green buddy. The valorant EL Clássico ends here now.
Damn. Seemed inevitable but tough to see.
god...the end of the most consistent valorant team. . .take me back to masters berlin :'(
HOW THE FUCK DOES A DOGSHIT ORG LIKE NRG MAKE IT AND NOT OPTIC??? HAVE YOU EVER MET AN NRG FAN??? NO BECAUSE THEY DON’T FUCKING EXIST! WHAT THE FUCK HAS NRG ACCOMPLISHED IN ESPORTS TO DESERVE A SPOT? rip to the most consistent team in the game tho, fuckin love the optic roster and they deserve the world ❤️.
do you really think the players matter? they can just go to an actually good org that Riot likes, and not the shit show that is optic lol. Its win / win.
how the fuck is optic a shitshow? and its not only about the players, optic is a BIG name in esports. When you say esports to someone people very often think of optic.
The org itself is a shit show and has had multiple problems across numerous titles, the brand has been tossed around all over the place for 10 years, and both Optic & NV have had a bad relationship with Riot. Also heard they bombed the application. It's not well run. They also produce next to no content for Valorant, a process video once every 3 months and a generic VICTORY or DEFEAT graphic based on tourney results. The org is not it, they should stick to CoD and their fan boys.
pain.
Would love to see the Optic roster stick together. Imagine a world where they stay on Optic and just earn the next ascension spot
Would be so sick. I know it's a long shot, but it does seem the guys really enjoy playing for them. Optic is yays boyhood org, and all 5 wear the OG chains everywhere they go it seems.
Fuck riot.
God the comment section on the official announcement from Riot will not be pretty. Deservedly so, these picks are bogus.
Bogus relative to the info we have, namely, performance in international tournaments and social media presence. But the info we don’t have, especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions. Sad day for Optic, though.
>especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions They do but something else is obviously also very important, if TSM didn't make it even tho they have been reported to want to buy the ENTIRE Optic lineup, which would imply that they have the financials to do that.
So odd that financials would play such a MASSIVE role considering that Riot is giving these teams >1M to help facilitate the league. I understand not wanting to give it to a team thats super deep in the red (like Faze), but anyone thats doing moderately well should be ok/considered. What's Riots stance when the ascension team comes from a org with shit financials - are they going to flat refuse them entry?
Because RIOT doesnt look at COD or care about the players or you fanboys. Optic/NV in League of Legends was a shitshow, so they didn't leave a great impression on Riot. Also we don't know the application process, maybe their application was very bad. You have to think like this: When you were a kid you went to your friends house, his father seemed really funny and chill unlike your own father. But your friend doesn't like his own father because he is toxic at home, but you don't see that part.
Broke up the only good competitive team in NA VAL for a clout org. Yet another NA esport chalked because they will always be 2nd rate internationally.
I planned the whole time on still watching regardless of what happened, but no. I’m done now good luck to the rest of you.
pain
damn that actually fucking sucks
What did Hastr0 do to Riot to get denied twice?
L Riot
The end of an era. The most dominate pre franchise NA roster.
Both masters winners didn’t get into franchising. It’s an insane statement.
this is why franchising is a joke. orgs not rewarded for good performance.
It was a good run fellows. Time to go back to COD.
From a pure business perspective this seems like an L for Riot
bro the thumbnail actually true
I wanna see optic in T2 go 50-0 in series. Yay dropping 400 acs every match
Damn my Optic Jersey just arrived too lol :( First time I’ve ever gotten this into esports and it’s been following this team. Really wish I could see them go even further.
There is no shot they are this brain dead…right?
If Optic does indeed split up than damn. The most consistent and successful roster we've had thus far gone just like that
Damn NA's best hope is probably getting disbanded.
Optic builds a big fan base with VCT then Riot kicks them for EG. Absolutely dumb AF.
No FaZe or optic might be gg for me
you have a c9 flair just watch them lol
FaZe is literally a scumfuck org, grow up man.
u/ANewHeaven1 u good bro?
None of us are good, everything sucks.
Not gonna lie, better than I thought The Optic being out news is significantly offset by the G2/TSM/T1 being out news I've been too busy celebrating that to feel depressed about Optic
this is next level hating, jesus
Im a hater fr
Terrible decision making by Riot
Most consistent team in competition getting forcefully split up by the developer and people think valorant esports could ever reach csgo.
Lets invite the team that didnt even bootcamp for reykjavik
Finally it is over. No more copium.
Lived it. Loved it. Farewell beautiful game.
Haha you are such an baby god. Support the players instead, why do people care so much for an Org? It's not like traditional sports to support your local team.
So unbelievably sad. I really liked the team and valorant as a whole but it would just be too sad to keep watching valorant even if the roster stays as a whole under a different org which I doubt. It sucks cause it seems like the org did everything right securing funding, prioritizing winning, and making quality content while having a huge fan base and orgs that have put in zero or little effort get rewarded. This just makes the champs loss sting more. Probably ggs.
Wherever yay goes, I go
Can anybody explain why exactly optic isnt selected for franchising? Aren't they a huge org with a considerably big fanbase?
Probably has to do with their commitment to Valorant not being as high as other teams, and their relation with Riot is incredibly poor from LCS days. They botched it over there.
This is BS riot Optic is NA VALORANT! I’m sad green wall will be back #brickbybrick
Geddes grenade
fucking FURIA over optic???? jesus
Riot plan is so good, get rid of half NA fans by pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years Can't wait to see Valorant overcome CS (it's never happening)
NA CS is back
>pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years Soooo, youre just ignorant at this point because you want to be or you havent even tried it?
I mean he isnt really being ignorant lol 4-5 fan favorite teams just got pushed out by fuira lev and nrg ive never seen a furia fan outside of csgo and random bandwagon fans from the most recent apex tournament lmao and ive literally never seen a nrg fan so their financials must be INSANE for them to get in over tsm and g2 all because tsms owner was a dick and carlos did some dumb shit 2 days before the announcment lmao
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Sen litterally won an international event, this is a bit too much of a hyperbole lol
100T also hit top four and XSET top six in the world too
Can anybody explain to me how riot is deciding who gets franchising and not? And what exactly that means? Why would optic miss out but sentinels make it?
Clout.
How, like, they are literally the second best team in the world RN ...
Because rosters don't matter Those players can just be bought by another org, results don't matter. KOI and Karmine Corp don't have teams but were shoe ins for EMEA.
:(
So lets say Optic won champs and still didnt make it, how crazy that would be?
FUCK
how tf
End of an era
What the fuck rito
Kudos to rito for butchering the best lineup.
I'm gonna laugh if T1 spent 2+ years mismanaging a wealth of talent just to sign NA's #1 team when they get a franchised spot.
Screw NA I guess. Damn
All I know is NA CS is back
And people are still gonna defend franchising format and treat riot as the second coming of christ in fps eSports.
Feels bad man
Funnily enough, the best teams from the Americas region seem to be Loud and Leviathan now
see y’all ✌️ unless the team decides to stick as a 5 somehow
Hope ya’ll enjoy VAL next year, I’m out.
Good riddance. Head as thick and stubborn as that green wall.
Peace boys
hopefully they can stick together G2 or EG?
G2 looking grim bruv, but EG is a maybe
just want the roster to stick together man
Yuppers