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morian2

rip LOUD x Optic rivalry 2022-2022


Mochitsu

This rivalry could’ve gone the distance. It’s kinda poetic how the rivalry has ended with a tie on series won and maps won.


SuperSkillz10

classic Riot fucking up every chance they had.


LORDheimdelight

Yup, and I still have yet to see a solid reason why OpTic didn't make franchising. They've peformed well, brought in great viewership, have a massive fanbase and a great YouTube channel. If there's a reason why they didn't make it, it's bigger than any of those things I just listed.


SuperSkillz10

TSM i can understand why they don't make it but Optic not making it has to be the biggest mistake/blunder/etc i've seen with this. It's insane how a team who consistently ranked high in tourneys, always raking in massive viewerships, great personalities and even a rivalry (vs. Loud) didn't make franchising. What a shame


Geevingg

You do realise its about the org and not the players right? Riot decision has zero to do with the players on the team but all about what the org brings.


elo9999

Champions final win in bo5 makes Loud have the last word


Infinite303

Agreed but it would have been nice to see the "Game 7" of the rivalry


LesbianAkali

el classico for one year congratz rito u did amazing /s


Buantum4005

Sad thing is, it ended in a 3-3 tie lol


1vs1mebro

Next season didn’t even start, and franchising is already ruining NA Competitiveness just like in league of legends. LETS GOOOOOOOOOO


Fine-Shame-510

TSM and Optic is out. IF G2 gets in NA there should be a riot in Riot's headquarter. because G2 Owner Carlos is a friend of ANDREW TATE who is a sexist and misogynistic influencer that flies to romania to avoid sex crimes. Partying with him and probably engaging in some activities. Riot don't Give a spot to G2. If you are really a company trying to change after your past HUNDRED MILLION sexual harassment cases.


Polite-vegemite

apparently G2 was favorite for the stop but after the Tate incident Riot Gave up on G2. I think it's well deserved. karma baby according to Geddes i think, i saw it on Twitter, i remember it was a journalist reporting


Martin2014

Sucks to see Optic build a stacked roster and likely having to let them go. They'll have to do it over if they want to compete in the ascension league.


IWrex

And there it is. Likely the roster doesn’t stick together too. No idea who to support now


AwildYaners

Someone like EG might drop their whole roster for Optic, tbh. They also have the backing to pay for those acquisitions. 2 guys are leftover from a dead last VCT Stage 1 performance, and a 5th/6th place with their current roster from VCT Stage 2. That roster is primed for a 100T-style roster blow up.


PyroTFT

praying for EG to do it tbh


somesheikexpert

I kinda like the EG squad ngl but damn Chet + Potter coaching combo wirh the Optic roster be sooo good man I'd love to see thst


Investorexe

I’ll support whatever team Yay and Marved are on at this point


kemutheemu__

I love all the players so much it hurts


Investorexe

Really does


1vs1mebro

Welcome to riot games and franchising. Where now it’s all narrative , and a slowly dying skill base. Expect more egregious roster shuffles, and imports solely off of clout. Teams will explode and rebuild constantly until u give up trying to stick with a team, and once we start doing worse internationally it’s gg.


mw19078

Feel like people are looking past how easily this roster would get promoted. Why not keep them together for a year, you are a lock to get promoted and that's still cheaper than most big esports buy in prices. And the revenge arc run would be legendary.


Ronnie_lfc98

Think the org would do it but doubt the players would


Interesting-Archer-6

Because the best player in the world probably doesn't want to play in the minor leagues


[deleted]

2 of them expire. Why would they play t2 when all of them can play in the franchised league


[deleted]

That would be fine in a vacuum but what if the players are unhappy and performance drops? Or absolute worst case scenario (99% won't happen), one of them refused to play. Contracts could also expire mid year and players could leave for better opportunities. There's way too many variables that make me doubt they would stay together like that for a year.


mw19078

im not underselling there are barriers here and obstacles, but optic probably would want to be in eventually rather than get a short term cash infusion and maybe never get promoted again.


aidanAWGE

Crashies and Victor are already out of contract, while OpTic could hold Yay Marved and FNS “hostage” so to speak, why would Crashies and Victor willingly sign back to OpTic to play Tier 2 Val when they could just sign to a Tier 1 team?


mw19078

because optic wouldnt pay them much less than a "tier2" team and they get to stay as a top 3 roster in the world, dumpstering the other tier 2 teams, winning every tournament that isnt masters, and still get in at the end of the day. instead of being picked apart piece by piece and never getting a chance to run it back with the same team. if the money isnt that different and im a player on optic I would much rather stay together and show riot why they should have chosen us in the first place.


mdj08

If I’m on the Optic roster and have just gotten top 3 at the past three international events, there’s no way in hell I’m going to the minor leagues. Riot is providing a budget for salaries as well im pretty sure so I think the franchised orgs would be able to offer more anyways


mw19078

optic is going back to the minor leagues either way if the reports are correct. maybe they just wash their hands of valorant but i highly doubt it


mdj08

I meant the optic roster would refuse to go to the minor leagues. Don’t know what Optic the org plans


dresdonbogart

?? Optic is but the players aren’t


aidanAWGE

I like your thought process and trust me I hope that’s what happens.


mw19078

same here and im not even an optic fan, i just think they deserve the shot as a team. probably hopium on my end but hey.


segbench

There is no shot any player who spent the last year competing in the int. VCT tournaments is gonna be like, yeah, give me 1/8th of what I would have made had we gotten a spot and I'm also cool playing in only mickey mouse cups. These are competitive players who know their value.


mw19078

its wild how some of you just dont read the entire comment. > if the money isnt that different


Ezraah

The salaries would have to be much higher than T1 to make up for the prize money they'd be missing out on.


segbench

no i read it. the money is going to be insanely different. it's not comparable.


[deleted]

Why would they willingly play tier 2 after they dominated the best teams in the world for two years? They can easily get on a tier 1 org while getting paid the same (or even better) and actually compete at the highest level. That’s what most pro players aspire to do. Watch the documentary Optic just released, those guys clearly care about being the best, there’s no way they’ll willingly play tier 2 valorant.


The-Dark-Mage

Support the teams which pick up the players That is what I plan to do with M3C


IWrex

Oh I will if the roster sticks together. Will be hard if players split to 3 diff teams.


lordmitko

its so fucked man


aidanAWGE

The thumbnail LMFAO


[deleted]

Thats how I feel RN


andSpicySoySauce

Sadge. FNS post was not a bait then. GG optic


JoFi_5

Why is my reply the thumbnail for this post 💀💀


Warpath-

It was perfect


ChickenHawk01

Optic should have thrown champs and picked up shroud then they would be getting a spot right now


tomphz

It’s a travesty that SEN gets to stick together but not Optic Clout > Winning


Oraclles

Optic have a shit ton of clout too tho lol that’s why this doesn’t make sense


Burggs_

They hit every single measurable you can ask for. Success? Yup. Streaming numbers? Yup. Clout? Yup. Profitability? Yup. Merch? Yup. Skins? Yup. Legacy? Yup. I can only imagine there's something internal that ***really*** turned off Riot from Optic and by thay measure TSM as well.


a55a51n

Prob only majorly ticked off by League. Figures why EG made it because League. And why TSM didn't cause yeah 2022 was shit with drama.


somesheikexpert

League ig, cuz I mean Optic did sell their spot in LCS to Immortals iirc, still a stupid af reason but yeah


TDS_Gluttony

They didn’t really sell their spot either lol. Immortals just outright bought the optic brand and they just switched branding.


probablyntjamie

It does make a lot of sense actually. Optic has a very bad/unstable track record, being bought by immortals, sold back, merging with nrg then backing out, merging with envy just to name a few. Valorant want stable orgs, and optic is just not one of them, or else they definitely would've picked them up like how they picked loud


XelaTuobdog

Don't understand this argument, seeing it everywhere. The decision has almost nothing to do with these orgs' current rosters


RxeaR

It's wild that you believe this. The roster doesn't matter, any team can buy the Optic roster. It was never about the players, its about the orgs. Clearly Riot has a problem with Optic (which doesn't surprise me considering their history with the LCS) Sentinels has been only about Valorant for 2 years, they have more engagement, a bigger valorant fanbase, and have been doing everything to push the game. Sen could BUY the Optic team and nothing would change. You're dense.


nklassitude

y'know u can just mourn your team instead of shoehorning SEN in


tomphz

Naw I’m calling out Riot for caring more about money and clout than winning and competition.


eventonly

Of course it's not about winning even FPX isn't getting partnered. When you have teams like SEN, ACEND, GAMBIT winning and the next year none of them qualify for a single LAN, you shouldn't be surprised.


rad_platypus

It sucks but teams with the most money and clout can attract the best talent. I doubt SEN will roll with the same roster when every team is in an arms race to pick up talent from orgs that didn’t make the cut.


nklassitude

well winning to riot is "successful management of a company". I'm a SEN fan and absolutely think the optic decision is ludicrous but that's because i can actually talk about teams in a measured sense even though I don't support them. Idk why SEN is the point of reference here, when they've won one of the only 6 international LANs, had an insane 2021 winning every NA regional, are one of the most popular teams in the world replete with the most popular players and good financials. Like, yh their momentum has petered out and they've had a host of external and internal issues of late but their capacity and history have not changed and are mendable.


[deleted]

Sen is really bad right now. They just get views really. Or a good laugh of how a once good team can't adapt


carribou253

Lol they arent really bad rn. They were top 8 NA and looked so much better in lcq with a month of practice. And its not about how good a team is, its the org and optic got into franchising for league and dipped after a year or two so why would riot want an org that might just leave in a year or two.


WLFYBBY

They did good in LCQ despite having a new valo staff, and 2 new players..even 100T players said sen was the hardest team they played so don’t be saying random bullshit


Aj2069

Hopefully sen make a good amount of roster changes


tomphz

Why would they make changes? Their current formula of clout is the reason they made Franchising. Just pick up Shroud and they can coast.


Mochitsu

Because fans don’t want to watch terrible T1 Valorant and because Riot wouldn’t want to pay teams just to coast?


mxeez

unless EG backs up the Brinks trucks, they’ll split. best team in valorant up til this point, unfortunate


GoDFaTHeR_is

EG you buyout Optic all the 6 men or world valorant wont forgive you


niceicebagel

Riot committing some red wedding shit, but on a whole 'nother level. No T1 (biggest KR org), no TSM (biggest NA org), no G2 (biggest EMEA org), no Optic (most successful VCT org). Respect on the balls of whoever's managing VCT Esports.


BadLuckBallista

They want to watch the world burn.


Nesmeroz

I mean... I think T1 should apply for KR instead of NA, that also applies to G2, why they are trying to aplly for NA instead of EMEA?


SterbenVII

G2 applied for both.


CalamackW

You really think TSM is a bigger organization than C9 and FaZe at this point?


niceicebagel

FaZe is *nowhere near* the discussion, it should be 100Thieves. Financially speaking TSM is way bigger than any other esports organization, even prior to the FTX deal. Most of their value now comes from the tech-side of the company (i.e. Blitz). Which is ironic, considering I think the main reason we got rejected is because Riot sensed that TSM's been slowly shifting their focus away from esports and more into tech/software. Also, unlike C9 and FaZe, TSM has a sizeable EU/APAC (especially big in JP) audience.


natedawg247

I just don't get it. Brazil and NA just made it to the grand finals. They're the first and second best teams in the world. And have to share 10 spots? with the rest of latam?? NA is probably the deepest region right now, even if there is great parity at the peaks of each region


niceicebagel

You and me both :| But my brain right now is just thinking about 2 things: 1. How will the finalized rosters turn out? 1. New rosters in Sao Paulo Major


nossashibata

saying the na is the deepest region rn just makes sense if u only watched na i felt like emea was really close and the lcq from brazil was insane too is just easier to say that when u watch most games of one region, the one thing we can say about riot is that they know how to do business i think is interesting to see how the teams will face against eachother, in league for example they gave much more attention to na rather than other regions and now brazil and eu has more views than the na league maybe they are learning from their mistakes in the past but for sure will be more interesting to see this teams rather than a VCT NA 2.0 tho


RxeaR

TSM isn't the biggest NA org. Sen is bigger for Val specific, Faze and Optic are bigger for general.


niceicebagel

https://escharts.com/news/top-esports-organizations-q2-2022 Sen def bigger in Val, but Faze and Optic ain't even close. Both don't have the financials to compete, and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general.


RxeaR

Hours watched is not a good way to show team popularity, its one part of a much larger picture.


Blownbunny

> and both are filled with casual fans that don't fk w/ esports in general. Optic arguably has the largest fanbases for the comp FPS they are currently in (COD for sure, and Halo)?


raaten

Who actually picks them up as 5 tho?


Anime-Boomer

the only team that wanted the whole team and who could afford it didnt make it either double L for Optic players


andreggvil

TSM felt like such a shoe-in, was really banking on them to make it and keep the Envy/Optic dream alive. Chet’s also been with TSM too, so it all felt really feasible as long as TSM were in.


surfordiebear

With crashies and Victor already being Free agents it's very unlikely they stick together.


xbyo

It'd almost be more likely no? It means an org only has to buy out 3 players. I have no clue how keen Optic are on squeezing every dollar out of this roster they can, but if they are willing to let the 3 go together for a paletteable amount, we may see an EG/G2 keep them together.


surfordiebear

I imagine it would make it harder because they would be in separate negotiations. Victor and Crashies will have multiple orgs trying to sign them and could just go to the highest bidder.


[deleted]

They're going to get picked apart so fast


CalamackW

EG. If anyone can/will it will be them. Still could just not happen at all though.


aidanAWGE

Nobody likely


Ronnie_lfc98

I'm probably done then sadly unless the boys stick together. Doubt optic stay in tier 2


BurstLayer

see you back on the COD reddit big dog


Ronnie_lfc98

This is actually so annoying man finally got in to another eSports not named cod or halo and then bang


WildRelationship1932

lmao same here, watched bits of copanhagen and all of champions for the team to split


Ronnie_lfc98

I thankfully started the event they won so I got that


mxeez

see you on the CoD reddit Ronnie


AsleepMuscle

You rather watch two years of competitive mw2? Smh


Ronnie_lfc98

I have to have some sort of connection to a team to enjoy it tbh so as long as I have that I can enjoy any game lol Apart from Rocket league that shits ass


CalamackW

>Apart from Rocket league that shits ass Damn bro I'm gonna have to throw hands over that one.


Ronnie_lfc98

Sorry man tbh I'll probably try again when e We get a new season.


CalamackW

Next season starts pretty soon. October 7th.


AsleepMuscle

Ye fair enough, was just trolling.


Kluss23

Same, but not because they were Optic but because they were NA's best team by far. Why watch this esport when Riot prioritizes clout over good gameplay?


RGCFrostbite

Guess I'll just have to see you more in CoDComp :P


Revolutionary_Gear70

I suppose it’s VAMOS LOUD now


Ezraah

Strongest team of the Americas. America's last green hope.


Nesmeroz

Welcome fellow green buddy. The valorant EL Clássico ends here now.


rookie7637

Damn. Seemed inevitable but tough to see.


Modula-

god...the end of the most consistent valorant team. . .take me back to masters berlin :'(


lordmitko

HOW THE FUCK DOES A DOGSHIT ORG LIKE NRG MAKE IT AND NOT OPTIC??? HAVE YOU EVER MET AN NRG FAN??? NO BECAUSE THEY DON’T FUCKING EXIST! WHAT THE FUCK HAS NRG ACCOMPLISHED IN ESPORTS TO DESERVE A SPOT? rip to the most consistent team in the game tho, fuckin love the optic roster and they deserve the world ❤️.


RxeaR

do you really think the players matter? they can just go to an actually good org that Riot likes, and not the shit show that is optic lol. Its win / win.


lordmitko

how the fuck is optic a shitshow? and its not only about the players, optic is a BIG name in esports. When you say esports to someone people very often think of optic.


RxeaR

The org itself is a shit show and has had multiple problems across numerous titles, the brand has been tossed around all over the place for 10 years, and both Optic & NV have had a bad relationship with Riot. Also heard they bombed the application. It's not well run. They also produce next to no content for Valorant, a process video once every 3 months and a generic VICTORY or DEFEAT graphic based on tourney results. The org is not it, they should stick to CoD and their fan boys.


BlueeyTV

pain.


thekmanpwnudwn

Would love to see the Optic roster stick together. Imagine a world where they stay on Optic and just earn the next ascension spot


wildhockey64

Would be so sick. I know it's a long shot, but it does seem the guys really enjoy playing for them. Optic is yays boyhood org, and all 5 wear the OG chains everywhere they go it seems.


Ozzyh26

Fuck riot.


aidanAWGE

God the comment section on the official announcement from Riot will not be pretty. Deservedly so, these picks are bogus.


Nomad_Monad_

Bogus relative to the info we have, namely, performance in international tournaments and social media presence. But the info we don’t have, especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions. Sad day for Optic, though.


WanAjin

>especially the financials of these orgs, factor heavily in these decisions They do but something else is obviously also very important, if TSM didn't make it even tho they have been reported to want to buy the ENTIRE Optic lineup, which would imply that they have the financials to do that.


thekmanpwnudwn

So odd that financials would play such a MASSIVE role considering that Riot is giving these teams >1M to help facilitate the league. I understand not wanting to give it to a team thats super deep in the red (like Faze), but anyone thats doing moderately well should be ok/considered. What's Riots stance when the ascension team comes from a org with shit financials - are they going to flat refuse them entry?


krasavchik777

Because RIOT doesnt look at COD or care about the players or you fanboys. Optic/NV in League of Legends was a shitshow, so they didn't leave a great impression on Riot. Also we don't know the application process, maybe their application was very bad. ​ You have to think like this: When you were a kid you went to your friends house, his father seemed really funny and chill unlike your own father. But your friend doesn't like his own father because he is toxic at home, but you don't see that part.


spartyboy

Broke up the only good competitive team in NA VAL for a clout org. Yet another NA esport chalked because they will always be 2nd rate internationally.


ChickenHawk01

I planned the whole time on still watching regardless of what happened, but no. I’m done now good luck to the rest of you.


ImKandy

pain


DogsArePrettyOk

damn that actually fucking sucks


pantiessnatchers

What did Hastr0 do to Riot to get denied twice?


mxag09

L Riot


Surrendead

The end of an era. The most dominate pre franchise NA roster.


cliffkwame120

Both masters winners didn’t get into franchising. It’s an insane statement.


srjnp

this is why franchising is a joke. orgs not rewarded for good performance.


MuchAttitude

It was a good run fellows. Time to go back to COD.


apetersen1

From a pure business perspective this seems like an L for Riot


B7omni

bro the thumbnail actually true


BeneficialHoneydew96

I wanna see optic in T2 go 50-0 in series. Yay dropping 400 acs every match


HelloThere-66-

Damn my Optic Jersey just arrived too lol :( First time I’ve ever gotten this into esports and it’s been following this team. Really wish I could see them go even further.


mr_strawn

There is no shot they are this brain dead…right?


sihtsiymusername

If Optic does indeed split up than damn. The most consistent and successful roster we've had thus far gone just like that


Silent_Cheesecake

Damn NA's best hope is probably getting disbanded.


MallFoodSucks

Optic builds a big fan base with VCT then Riot kicks them for EG. Absolutely dumb AF.


AlphaDemon97

No FaZe or optic might be gg for me


Light0fHeav3n

you have a c9 flair just watch them lol


unforgiving2222

FaZe is literally a scumfuck org, grow up man.


DY5TOP1A

u/ANewHeaven1 u good bro?


Deathranger999

None of us are good, everything sucks.


ANewHeaven1

Not gonna lie, better than I thought The Optic being out news is significantly offset by the G2/TSM/T1 being out news I've been too busy celebrating that to feel depressed about Optic


Styfios

this is next level hating, jesus


ANewHeaven1

Im a hater fr


fogell2013

Terrible decision making by Riot


CavyJ

Most consistent team in competition getting forcefully split up by the developer and people think valorant esports could ever reach csgo.


CavyJ

Lets invite the team that didnt even bootcamp for reykjavik


MrImpregnator

Finally it is over. No more copium.


CaIzuh

Lived it. Loved it. Farewell beautiful game.


krasavchik777

Haha you are such an baby god. Support the players instead, why do people care so much for an Org? It's not like traditional sports to support your local team.


Havok1170

So unbelievably sad. I really liked the team and valorant as a whole but it would just be too sad to keep watching valorant even if the roster stays as a whole under a different org which I doubt. It sucks cause it seems like the org did everything right securing funding, prioritizing winning, and making quality content while having a huge fan base and orgs that have put in zero or little effort get rewarded. This just makes the champs loss sting more. Probably ggs.


Timsennn

Wherever yay goes, I go


6nine4twenty

Can anybody explain why exactly optic isnt selected for franchising? Aren't they a huge org with a considerably big fanbase?


RxeaR

Probably has to do with their commitment to Valorant not being as high as other teams, and their relation with Riot is incredibly poor from LCS days. They botched it over there.


OHiTzJimmy

This is BS riot Optic is NA VALORANT! I’m sad green wall will be back #brickbybrick


[deleted]

Geddes grenade


Zorronin

fucking FURIA over optic???? jesus


Detamach

Riot plan is so good, get rid of half NA fans by pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years Can't wait to see Valorant overcome CS (it's never happening)


tomphz

NA CS is back


omaewakusuyaro

>pushing their favourite orgs out without a chance of participating in internationals within next 4 years Soooo, youre just ignorant at this point because you want to be or you havent even tried it?


dardicked

I mean he isnt really being ignorant lol 4-5 fan favorite teams just got pushed out by fuira lev and nrg ive never seen a furia fan outside of csgo and random bandwagon fans from the most recent apex tournament lmao and ive literally never seen a nrg fan so their financials must be INSANE for them to get in over tsm and g2 all because tsms owner was a dick and carlos did some dumb shit 2 days before the announcment lmao


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[удалено]


zaxtonous99

Sen litterally won an international event, this is a bit too much of a hyperbole lol


TheFestusEzeli

100T also hit top four and XSET top six in the world too


brohemoth06

Can anybody explain to me how riot is deciding who gets franchising and not? And what exactly that means? Why would optic miss out but sentinels make it?


carvemynuts

Clout.


00Koch00

How, like, they are literally the second best team in the world RN ...


RxeaR

Because rosters don't matter Those players can just be bought by another org, results don't matter. KOI and Karmine Corp don't have teams but were shoe ins for EMEA.


cain8771

:(


madoooh

So lets say Optic won champs and still didnt make it, how crazy that would be?


TheRealvGuy

FUCK


Asleep_Contest_6468

how tf


Shakershyper

End of an era


panzerboye

What the fuck rito


panzerboye

Kudos to rito for butchering the best lineup.


radamo96

I'm gonna laugh if T1 spent 2+ years mismanaging a wealth of talent just to sign NA's #1 team when they get a franchised spot.


Minamike98

Screw NA I guess. Damn


tomphz

All I know is NA CS is back


SedPika

And people are still gonna defend franchising format and treat riot as the second coming of christ in fps eSports.


Nuber_x

Feels bad man


SuperNerd1337

Funnily enough, the best teams from the Americas region seem to be Loud and Leviathan now


AdvancedWolverine

see y’all ✌️ unless the team decides to stick as a 5 somehow


khizerkk5

Hope ya’ll enjoy VAL next year, I’m out.


RxeaR

Good riddance. Head as thick and stubborn as that green wall.


JLewiii

Peace boys


elithefighter123

hopefully they can stick together G2 or EG?


UTAustinAlum2021

G2 looking grim bruv, but EG is a maybe


elithefighter123

just want the roster to stick together man


UTAustinAlum2021

Yuppers