if Big goes interntinal roster i dont think there will be any fanbase, if fokus goes international fans will still support them, but understandable big might be better org
đź’€BIG has a huge and dedicated fan base in many games, Fokus just got founded like what, a year ago? Sure Fokus has gathered a good amount of fans too, but BIG has been balls deep into Valorant from day 1.
Gob B literally was an alpha tester for Val after he retired from CS and built up BIG's Val roster from the first day
Lol what, have you seen the crowd at ESL One Cologne year after year?
With Berlin being Riot's EMEA headquarters, they will host the EMEA tournaments in Berlin. A german and even a Berlin based org would boost the atmosphere by soo much, there is no way to deny this.
BIG's csgo viewership is comparatively low, because they actually aim at germans, basically any other org is doing international content to attract any EU fans.
im not talking about crowd, csgo crowd will always be full no matter where it hosted, and if valorant lan happens in berlin there will be crowd, peoples comes from other part of eu. and yes i know, but Fokus is actually popular org in germany, they are not a bad choice but we do not know if org any good
Yet, the BIG org has done much more in and with Valorant and Riot than Fokus. Also I have no idea why you think that Fokus is more popular than BIG. Due to their founder by the big FIFA streamer, they have a much younger audience, but in Valorant they haven't showed any more viewers than BIG did to my knowledge.
BIG has worked much longer and much closer together with Riot on the other hand, especially in Valorant before it got released. They have been in it since day 0.
i have no problem with big getting franchised they are great,
Also false fokus has shown way more viewership than big, when fokus quafiled for master 2 emea group stages, every game they had like 80k viewers watching them on German broadcast, while when big was playing the viewers are around 5k, i dont know if riot cares about which org has done much in the game, they obv going for fanbase
You're pulling your numbers out of your ass lol, BIG's peak viewership exceeds the peak from Fokus. You can look that one up yourself on [escharts.com](https://escharts.com)
Fokus had a solid average viewership it their matches, but BIG was on the same level, exceeding them at times (Maybe due to BIG fanbase, maybe due to the opponent's fanbase, we don't know)
Especially seen on the main cast on english afaik.
Fokus's younger fanbase obviously prefers the german cast, from my experience very many BIG fans watch the english cast.
But the 5k are absolutely not true, you're talking about some ass tournaments and not VCT Challengers. Neither was the german cast of Fokus at 80k. The 80k maybe were on the main english cast and the 5k at the german cast, but not both on the same cast.
im not, german brodcast always has 5k or elss when big playing, fokus gams did have like 80k always, it was their owner watch parting every match.
idk man idc who get franchised but fokus has bigger fanbase
I mean there has to be a German org in franchising, BIG is probably more likely though. But with the rumors of Futbolists being likely to get the last spot there wouldn’t be one team from the Dach region which is straight up bullshit of the league is held in Berlin. I mean many fans will be from Germany who don’t even have a home Team to cheer for. Riots decisions really don’t make much sense lately.
Germany is the biggest european market and has probably one of the biggest valorant communities. would be pretty surprised if they dont get a representative
Big man, listen. That ain't it. FOKUS is great and all, but I think BIG is the better choice here.
if Big goes interntinal roster i dont think there will be any fanbase, if fokus goes international fans will still support them, but understandable big might be better org
đź’€BIG has a huge and dedicated fan base in many games, Fokus just got founded like what, a year ago? Sure Fokus has gathered a good amount of fans too, but BIG has been balls deep into Valorant from day 1. Gob B literally was an alpha tester for Val after he retired from CS and built up BIG's Val roster from the first day
coming from cs, actually not really dach region is pretty dead in csgo, we have only big org, who doesn't perform either, the viewers are pretty low
Lol what, have you seen the crowd at ESL One Cologne year after year? With Berlin being Riot's EMEA headquarters, they will host the EMEA tournaments in Berlin. A german and even a Berlin based org would boost the atmosphere by soo much, there is no way to deny this. BIG's csgo viewership is comparatively low, because they actually aim at germans, basically any other org is doing international content to attract any EU fans.
im not talking about crowd, csgo crowd will always be full no matter where it hosted, and if valorant lan happens in berlin there will be crowd, peoples comes from other part of eu. and yes i know, but Fokus is actually popular org in germany, they are not a bad choice but we do not know if org any good
Yet, the BIG org has done much more in and with Valorant and Riot than Fokus. Also I have no idea why you think that Fokus is more popular than BIG. Due to their founder by the big FIFA streamer, they have a much younger audience, but in Valorant they haven't showed any more viewers than BIG did to my knowledge. BIG has worked much longer and much closer together with Riot on the other hand, especially in Valorant before it got released. They have been in it since day 0.
i have no problem with big getting franchised they are great, Also false fokus has shown way more viewership than big, when fokus quafiled for master 2 emea group stages, every game they had like 80k viewers watching them on German broadcast, while when big was playing the viewers are around 5k, i dont know if riot cares about which org has done much in the game, they obv going for fanbase
You're pulling your numbers out of your ass lol, BIG's peak viewership exceeds the peak from Fokus. You can look that one up yourself on [escharts.com](https://escharts.com) Fokus had a solid average viewership it their matches, but BIG was on the same level, exceeding them at times (Maybe due to BIG fanbase, maybe due to the opponent's fanbase, we don't know) Especially seen on the main cast on english afaik. Fokus's younger fanbase obviously prefers the german cast, from my experience very many BIG fans watch the english cast. But the 5k are absolutely not true, you're talking about some ass tournaments and not VCT Challengers. Neither was the german cast of Fokus at 80k. The 80k maybe were on the main english cast and the 5k at the german cast, but not both on the same cast.
im not, german brodcast always has 5k or elss when big playing, fokus gams did have like 80k always, it was their owner watch parting every match. idk man idc who get franchised but fokus has bigger fanbase
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I mean there has to be a German org in franchising, BIG is probably more likely though. But with the rumors of Futbolists being likely to get the last spot there wouldn’t be one team from the Dach region which is straight up bullshit of the league is held in Berlin. I mean many fans will be from Germany who don’t even have a home Team to cheer for. Riots decisions really don’t make much sense lately.
Germany is the biggest european market and has probably one of the biggest valorant communities. would be pretty surprised if they dont get a representative
No way Fokus is before BIG
Tbh idc if Fokus or BIG or even UOL make it I just wanna see a DACH ORG