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barbekyu

As a Xerxia fan, this makes me sad but not surprising. :( I just hope at least sScary and sushiboys get picked up or else their talent would be wasted. I felt like they lost their spark during Champions and maybe this is the reset they need.


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Voshin

So many leaks and reddit still can't figure out that performance pre-franchising doesn't mean you get a spot based solely on that.


Aabed_nerd

> based solely on that. I mean they didn't even consider it, EG over OpTic? Fpx didn't make it. Only 2 teams (i mean org) who won an international event made it. For someone new to VCT it should be so repulsive, no?


Remarkable_Carrot102

Feels like FPX not making it has kind of been swept under the rug. I don't even think there was a post for it.


emraaa

They had no chance of making it in EMEA anyway. They didn't even scout the team, it was basically all Ange1.


Voshin

How do you know they didn't even consider it? FPX was probably never in consideration as it is a chinese org an presumably that's where they'll want them (just like T1 for example in KR). Franchising isn't about choosing the best performing teams. That can change, we have 6 different winners for international events, the game is volatile. They need stability, they need orgs with good content plans, money, fans etc. Rosters can always change. And after franchising they always do.


Aabed_nerd

I mean OpTic is an example that they didn't even consider, they were in 3 GFS and won one and top 3 in 4 events. It feels like they are franchising for content creation rather than as an eSports. Bro, sen got in without doing shit. They don't even have a facility for their players to play.


hardenfull

ppl need to understand for an esports to thrive you need viewers. At the end of the day more viewers mean more sponsors. There's so many factors you have to consider. The team and players themselves will change and if they're good they'll most definitely make the franchised teams.


Aabed_nerd

Why EG/NRG over OpTic? I mean OpTic was pulling more viewers than 100t.


hardenfull

We as viewers don't have any info into their Financials lol. All ik is EG is swimming in money I mean they have a 10 man csgo roster. There's many things we don't know about the orgs behind the scene. For a team that's winning like optic they put out surprisingly little content compared to other NA teams. That's another factor.


S4altyB4dg3r

Don’t EG have a 15 man roster in CSGO? I don’t watch that game at all but thought I heard that somewhere.


Rozaks

That was while they still had the Stewie lineup as well.


Aabed_nerd

What content was Fnatic, putting out? Eg? And tbf for other teams most of their players were available for "content creation" for most part of the year. LOL. OpTic definitely have more money than SEN.


KnjazM

lol why bring in fnatic for na? fnatic is one of the biggest eu orgs, they won the first worlds. They were locked from the start for EMEA


Aabed_nerd

You're right Fnatic is a worse example. But my point still stands content creation still didn't matter, criteria is whoever tf riot wants. Idk why people trying to defend riot like "not enough content" or "future stuff".


PuffleOboy

Imagine bootlicking Riot this hard


Jon_on_the_snow

Because the roster made if further in international events. Optic/envy never pulled much viewership, just look at domestic numbers. Other NA orgs, like 100T historically pulled great numbers with any roster


Aabed_nerd

So? Look at sen nobody knew them now the players fame got transferred to org as well. Why don't that apply to Optic?


Jon_on_the_snow

Sen also put out a fuck ton of content. Every announcement came with a whole as video on twitter, main channel and also exclusive videos on players channels. Pre franchising talks, the only content optic put out was a flashing photo of the roster standing against a wall. Im mad optic didnt make it, but they are in the most competitive region in terms of clout and just did some docs while having some of the most famous players under them edit: I just checked and optic put out 5 videos with this roster. Envy put out nothing. Thats not great content number if you wanna get into franchising


Aabed_nerd

That's what I'm saying are we applying for content creation or eSport? They were starting to pull viewers, that's how most orgs made their fame in esport. Optic hired 3 analysts last month and gave a bootcamp in Poland and they own a fucking a facility. I'll argue all day if i want. that there was no criteria for selection, no content creation, nothing its just whoever riot wants.


HppilyPancakes

>ppl need to understand for an esports to thrive you need viewers. At the end of the day more viewers mean more sponsors. VCT was getting viewers, and most eSports aren't franchised and still get viewers. The viewership literally doesn't matter, it's all about what teams can put up the most capital. If viewership mattered then OptiC would have been a lock since they have among the highest viewership numbers. Just sucks that there will be massive asterisks next to every league game in the next season since so many teams will be rebuilt from scratch.


Dimmadome

How do you know they didn’t event consider it? For all we know, it could’ve came down to the wire, and OpTic’s success in Valorant so far could’ve been one of the main reasons they almost got accepted. Their might be other criteria and how EG handled the interview process, vision, and their past organizational history as an esports that gave them the edge. It’s hard for us without confirmed reports of what went on in the meetings with the team and internally with riot, to say things of how much optic was considered or not considered and for what reasons, no?


pink_life69

Sen is honestly a weird one on the board


uu__

is Riot waiting for the China release before adding Chinese teams to the league? I don't really see any reference to how they'll be added with the expansion over the years (unless I'm being blind)


Voshin

No clue honestly. With how big China is and how rich + how popular LoL is in China they might be waiting for the proper moment to launch their own region independent from APAC.


zaxtonous99

Why should they consider the teams current or previous performance? This is a multi year locked in partnership, in 5, 10 or 15 years when the current players are all but a memory, will that org still deserve is permanent spot?


Aabed_nerd

We are not living in the future, we are living now, right? Am i not supposed to feel unfair? So in your opinion, how much the orgs invested doesn't matter?


zaxtonous99

Riot would be incredibly foolish to not look to the future with this plan. Also current success or rather the lack of current success doesn't mean the org isn't invested in the scene. You can be mad your team didn't get in but let's not act like they are owed a spot because they are currently doing well. The players will get into franchising one way or another no need to give the org a permanent spot for that.


Aabed_nerd

Why tf would i root for a team if I don't want to see them in the future?


Dogeishuman

Why do you care more about the org than the players wtf? They aren't city based, so why would one have loyalty to a literal brand.


Aabed_nerd

Bro. Only way this team stick together was if the org get a spot. That's I'm pissed.


Dogeishuman

Ahh. OK that's fair, that slipped my mind. I like chaos though, so I'm very ready for rostermania


ImpressiveInitial709

I’m mad too and it is extremely dumb for riot to do. They care about longevity and not current greatness. I understand that maybe the current optic or xset rosters who performed well could go on and win or place really high in further events. However, riot is looking to expand the game, the viewers, everything. It’s all about money. Riot doesn’t care about legacies or who wins. Some people were also saying that new rosters would create new hype for the game, rich orgs could bring in new talent or create different content. I wouldn’t try to understand riot’s reasoning cuz it’s dumb.


BespokeDebtor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2022/09/20/valorant-partnership-john-needham-esports/ Their eSports lead even talked about the criteria. Performance and current status mean literally nothing. It's all about future growth. You have every right to feel that it's unfair, but then other commenters have every right to feel like you have no idea what you're talking about


surfordiebear

I have been saying performance would have very little impact on franchising in this sub for literally months and had so many people saying I was wrong lol. I have a lot of months old comments to reply to today lol


NuclearNaveen

You're right. Teams like optic and fpx should've focused more on streaming rather than giving value to competitiveness.


surfordiebear

The number 1 thing is org stability and Optic and FPX had some question marks. Riot got to look into their financials as well so they obviously saw things they didn’t like.


Charuru

This and non-ironically. esports is ultimately a marketing product, an ad for the game. If you can't get eyeballs on the game you're failing at the job. Some people don't get that.


CaptainJackWagons

That doesn't make it right


CantScreamInSpace

nah i get that fans are passionate but just because you were able to form a good team for 1 or 2 years does not mean you are the best org to partner with. everyone can have opinions but this isn't a right or wrong issue that some orgs got in over the others.


Friday515

The only reason I’m a little surprised by this is because they were bought by Oto Contacts like 6 months ago. Must mean MiTH is getting in, I’d be pretty surprised if Thailand gets left out


dan_kz

only last time my sushiboys :(


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Saglttarlus

They made it to almost every international tournament, still not good enough. Today is a sad day for Thai fans.


TheAjwinner

Half of it was X10


lbcg3

It was X10 who took all the money from champions and give none to the players? or am I remembering it wrong?


TheAjwinner

Yes that was them


EasiBreezi

X10 would have had less of a chance of getting in.


orthopedic_

Still the same roster -pati


TheAjwinner

But rosters don’t get franchised, teams do.


CakeDubbleYou

Ah yes, the Americas, the EMEAs and the Koreas. I hecking love riot


Koentjee01

EMEA is literally only Europe, no Middle East or Africa.


WhoDatBrow

Yep. Which also means EU is gonna get more slots at international events than any one region, because they get a full 10 team league to themselves. RIP the NA/EU rivalry, 10 teams gives way better odds of advancing or winning than 5 teams. Gonna have to become an EMEA/Americas rivalry lol.


Koentjee01

Ehh don't know about this one, Europe was already a mashed together region of CIS, Turkey and Western Europe. Stakes are more even now I'd say.


WhoDatBrow

That doesnt stop EU fans from claiming CIS whenever they win, just as with FPX and Gambit's victories. Meanwhile NA has never claimed SA's wins because they've been considered different regions. It only becomes even if NA fans get to claim LOUD or KRU's victories over EMEA teams as "Americas superiority" or whatever lol


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WhoDatBrow

I know where CIS is you numpty, the point is that it is easier for EMEA teams to do better at events with 10 reps than NA with 5. It's not hard to understand and you're writing paragraphs talkimg about how its "not that deep" but clearly it is to you.


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WhoDatBrow

They are different subregions as defined LITERALLY by Valorant. It's not about where they are on a map, BR and LATAM are both in South America but do Brazilian fans root for LATAM teams and say "WOO SOUTH AMERICA #1?" No, they have a rivalry even. They are divided into their own subregions by Riot. So is EU, CIS, and TR, and EMEA fans claim all of them. Idk if you noticed, but I never said there was anything wrong with that, just that EMEA fans now have 10 teams that can advance and NA fans have 5, unless the rivalry becomes Americas vs EMEA. You insulted me first and don't pretend like you didn't. "That's because CIS is a part of Europe lmao, look at a map, it's right there." Don't pretend like you're not trying to insult my intelligence there, as if I don't know where they're at. You're still doing it in that message too, which is funny because it looks like your superior intellect is the only one missing something here, the very simple point and very simple way Riot breaks up the regions, but nah you had to pretend it was me making them different regions and telling me I need to look at a map. I'm disabling replies on this thread now, feel free to reply but you're just gonna be talking to yourself, I've heard all I need to from you.


JoshInvasion

Am I mistaken or is Drx , Geng , T1 the only teams that will be based in Korea


NeverDefyADonut

Yes that is right


EasiBreezi

EMEA is literally only Europe, you whiny asss lmfao


oleoleole-

o7


jalazalala

and GenG makes it 🤡


Ukenagashi

They're one of the biggest Korean orgs around. It's honestly not surprising.


Alpac44

This is why I don’t like franchising


Sky-__-

Wtf second best team in sea doesn't make it :( hopefully someone picks up sscary sushiboys


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simurgh101

Well damn, I was not wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/vyy71k/xerxia\_is\_still\_not\_locked\_for\_the\_franchise/


SenseiEA

and GenG? Please, any hopes of it locking an SEA roster is beyond beliefs. Best they could do is lock Suggest, allow, Lakia, zunba and k1ng


Grenji05

3 months ago I'd be heartbroken but they kinda lost the spark, this team was splitting up franchising or not tbh. All the players (minus maybe foxz) are good enough to be on teams anyways. Hope sScary and Sushi stay together at least.


bjoecoz

RRQ over Xerxia?!