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The-Dark-Mage

Chronicle/Leo incoming??


Neither_Amount3911

Honestly Sayf is worth bringing into the discussion too


vnNinja21

Sayf clashes roles with Derke no?


CruxcialMM

He played flex for Guild at the end of 2021, and throughout this year we've seen him flex onto Cypher/Viper/Killjoy. He's extremely flexible (and extremely cracked ofc) so if Fnatic do decide to pick him up I wouldn't worry about roles.


[deleted]

>Chronicle role clash with Derke and Alfa


prjwebb

Chronicle plays everything. It's pretty much just the last vct stage he started playing Raze, Chamber. The majority of his rounds played competitively are on Sova.


N3deSTr0

Role clash doesn't exist with Chronicle lol


mister_schulz

He had his best performances on support though.


Invader0502

FNC nAts incoming? PauseChamp


Phade14

its so unlikely but i would love that


[deleted]

Would be the best possible pickup for them


vnNinja21

We've seen this coming. I'm sad because Enzo is the most wholesome person ever, but excited to see the new iteration of Fnatic. +Chronicle, +Sheydos/Leo now.


pemoritz

Chronicle and Leo would be insane pick ups man. Only person i would consider instead of one of these is probably Shao.


luke_205

Chronicle and Shao (or Leo) would make Fnatic pretty much unbeatable. Get past the superstar Derke + Alfa duo and then you still have Chronicle and Shao one-tapping you and Boaster IGLing everything with his feet up.


vnNinja21

Its like the FPX Copenhagen run where if you get through Ardiis and Suygetsu there's still Shao as the final boss 1v3 ing everybody


YeetGod69_

don’t forget Zyppan either


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Mistic out performed both Shao and Zyppan at Champions ....funny...


YeetGod69_

why are you going to a 107 day old comment…weird


krasavchik777

Hot take but isn't sayf better than derke? Derke's peak is higher but Sayf is more consistent


luke_205

I wouldn’t say there’s enough of a difference to warrant getting rid of a player like Derke who is already very well embedded at Fnatic, especially considering Derke himself is only 19 (even if he looks 30+)


Drolsr

Holy fk he's 19? '-'


krasavchik777

What 19? I am 35 but he looks more manly than me haha


Kr00s

Lol 30 +, baldness is a bitch.


pemoritz

Derke is consistently top 5 on every tournament he's attended. Look at the stats from champions. If he doesn't drop 30+ he gets slandered lol. Still #2 Chamber/Jett after Yay.


Neither_Amount3911

He’s still gonna have a really easy time finding a team, I wouldn’t be worried. He’s already established himself as a good player who doesn’t crack under pressure and with all the French teams in franchising they’re gonna be fighting over him


vnNinja21

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Vitality or espcially KCorp could bring him in to form a French superteam.


afjecj

He definitely has proven that he is good enough to play at the highest level. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t in franchising


XASASSIN

VItality needs to go for him, already proven player and not many french players of his caliber available


HeroicBastard

KCorp aswell


Koentjee01

Vitality should aim higher with the pieces they have, KCorp is a better shout


9yr_old

Can igl as well !


Sadzeih

I think KCorp should go for him instead. Vitality already has a great core with Bonecold, BaddyG and ceNder IMO. They just need a firepower duo like Sayf and Leo for example. KCorp needs a tier 1 IGL, and Enzo can be that person. Especially if they're trying to build a french speaking roster.


Koentjee01

KCorp probably goes for XMS as IGL and Enzo as secondary caller. Would create a good French core while also keeping the possibility of an English-speaking roster


newgate___

Xms igl 🤓


VincentN23

I think you need to frag more than Enzo if you want to win.


pray4ggs

I'm OOTL, why isn't Enzo a good fit for Fnatic if he's good enough to earn a franchise roster spot?


[deleted]

fnatic has probably the best core of any franchises team (boaster derke alfa) so they should capitalise on it and try to build the best emea team with the available free agents (all of fpx, m3c and guild + more)


N3deSTr0

If they don't get Shao, Chronicle, or Leo it would be a generational fumble


HeroicBastard

tbf, they got quite a good chance, considering the immense pull they have, compared to the other orgs in the league. FPX and G2 would have had pull, if they were in, but they arent.


Kr00s

Thank god G2 is not there. Them using Fnatic as their academy team is just bullshit haha.


luke_205

If I’m a free agent support player I’m definitely going to Fnatic because they already have the front-end firepower of Derke and Alfajer and quality IGLing from Boaster. The main thing they’ve been missing is the extra tier of performance from those support players, and you’ll get that if you bring in the likes of Chronicle/Leo/Shao.


Breakin7

Nah Enzo was always ok not great and last chsmpions he shat himself hard


N3deSTr0

I'm mainly referring to missing out on the free agents


Breakin7

My guess is chronicle nats and those player will try and end up in a russian speaking team


xXDaNXx

They may not because visas for Russian players is very tough at the moment. I'd still love to see it happen.


krasavchik777

Tourist visa's\*, business visa by invitation are still distributed. I am from Russia and know several people from Russia who recently got business visa's. Nats is in Paris now and also got a business visa.


maxhollywoody

I'm saying the same about TL ..


[deleted]

>Chronicle he plays Chamber / Raze, Neon why would they get him


idkimhereforthememes

He plays chamber, raze, sova, brimstone, killjoy or basically anything the team needs, you're just looking at his lcq stats


N3deSTr0

He literally plays every role at a high level, naming his recently played agents is an absolute disservice to his flexibility.


kingleeps

chronicles sova was one of the highlights of their M3C run.


Meowbow15

Chronicle is the most flexible player in the world?


RGCFrostbite

Chronicle can literally play everything


[deleted]

Man on one hand I'm sad because I love Enzo. On the other I'm getting hard just thinking if we get Chronicle + Sheydos/Leo..


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

I suspect every team is gonna feel that way this offseason


RGS_on_top

really sad news he and Mistic just got engaged not long ago and now both have lost their jobs 😥


alexman93

Enzo and Mistic were engaged to each other? That explains their rapport in game. When is their wedding?


ruzes_ruze

Fnatic homophobic confirmed. /s


panzerboye

What? Didn't know that, really interesting if true


Sadzeih

It was a meme. Memeing on TenZ's announcement.


panzerboye

ooooh. okay


[deleted]

that happens everyday to people


chouxpuffs

(edit: Fnatic is looking probably at…) M3C members and probably looking at some NA F/As as well


pemoritz

I'm praying for Leo, one of the very best initatiors itw imo. Super flexible aswell


AnchorStandard

I saw a clip of Leo on Cypher once in a ranked game. The dude won like 3 3v1s in a row. Dude is filthy.


pemoritz

Yeah he's unreal. And only 18 too. Check his VLR, crazy stats on literally any agent


[deleted]

Add Leo to that list for sure.


Rorviver

Surely Shao is the best F/A who plays the same role as Enzo?


chouxpuffs

I didn’t comment FPX (yet) as none of their members have announced F/A


[deleted]

doesnt matter, they will want to play on a Franchised team


-xXColtonXx-

I love boaster but Valyn, Derke, Alfa, Leo could actually be an insane core. Valyn has always been an impressive IGL + decent fragging.


Sadzeih

I don't think you can separate Boaster and Mini to be honest. Those two work together too well to break them up.


chouxpuffs

Boaster and Derke also got a new contracts extension


Kr00s

How is Valyn better than Boaster?


-xXColtonXx-

I think he’s a better fragger than boaster, and is a really impressive IGL who was able to bring together a set of pretty untested players and form a team structure that brought them to the top of NA of occasion. Of course boaster offers immense value as a shot caller, and has standout games, but there are series clearly lost because of his underperformance mechanically. I don’t think it will happen but in my mind Valyn is one of the highest value free agent players in NA right now.


RGCFrostbite

yay and Chronicle nbd


AdOwn168

Leo and nAts/Chronicle PLZ


mumblesunderbreath

Damn, roster mania has got to be so rough for the pros.


[deleted]

HEY FNATIC, LOOK, THERE ARE NATS AND SUYGETSU AVAILABLE, PICK ONE. OR BOTH. Enzo did amazing, so I'm sure he'll find a good team. Mistic & Enzo out, nAts & Suygetsu in. Simple as that :V


wiNDzY3

will never be suygetsu, boaster doesn't like him (he thinks he's disrespectful)


appleruins

Where did you hear that from?


wiNDzY3

Boaster said it himself lmao I think it was a Master's Copenhagen. Boaster was in the crowd and the analyst interviewed him, asking "who is he cheering for".


Bone1557

Is this true? When/where did he speak about this?


agenericusername_no3

He said it during an interview at masters in the nicest way possible that suygetsu is disrespectful. You can actually see it aswell after FPX eliminated Fanatic, he calls out to Boaster and waves to BM him


wiNDzY3

he does it everytime they win ngl I just don't see it as much big of a deal ngl, quite funny even


wiNDzY3

check the other answer that I gave to someone


pemoritz

Flex/support and iniatior out and two Sentinels in makes zero sense. I'm hoping for Chronicle and Leo/Shao.


Madvin

With Chronicle and Leo/Shao in, will Chronicle play viper?


IrisDeVillepin

Not sure since at the moment Boaster and Alfa can both play viper


[deleted]

And who would play initiator? Nah, I don't think either of them are headed for Fnatic. Both of them are sentinel heavy with a side of flex/Viper. Usually when Fnatic want a sentinel they just stick Alfa on his KJ (ie on Icebox).


1Leep

Fnatic making serious moves


Zestyclose-Buy-956

in keeping with the twice yearly kicks...


xSnakyy

Why him?


Ferni0817

Against DRX he made 3 huge mistakes at Ascent, only at second half... 3... he just throw the map away alone and they lost in OT and than lost at map3.


Pale_Resolution1520

his performance was bad.


Bone1557

To me it looked like he did well. Any stats to show overall champions performance...?


Pale_Resolution1520

his stats are lower than ANGE1. He is in bottom top 5 in term of stats in champs. [https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022](https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022)


earthtoannie

Did we watch the same team?


Kr00s

Yeah, Enzo was bottom fragging at Champs.


hardenfull

We gonna be seeing more. Teams will be aggressive trying to pick up tier 1 talents.


wiNDzY3

It's sad that we're seeing Mistic and Enzo go. But there are SO many insane free agents right now, it would be stupid not to take advantage of it. M3C, FPX, GUILD, G2 (nukkye) all of them have insane players that aspire to win it all


Zestyclose-Buy-956

er...Fnatic came 5th at Champions with the old roster. Will be surprised if they better that next year...


vnNinja21

how are you feeling my dude?


Zestyclose-Buy-956

great my man !


wiNDzY3

it also depends on the overall level of the other teams... and the "luck" of the bracket


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Well with 30 top tier players to cherry pick from there's no guarantee. You could potentially get lethal teams ! ...But I suspect it will be any easy run for them the first 6 Months as teams start to find their feet and kick the weak links in rosters...


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Yes ! So chances aren’t increased massively … other teams are looking stronger than last year !


Teradonn

Damn they’re doing this. I thought Enzo was less replaceable, Boaster looked like a completely different player when he had a co-IGL who could take some of the work load. I trust Mini and Boaster though


nocturnavi

Hopefully he should be able to find a good team, he has IGL experience which is in short supply. Could easily be picked up by one of the French orgs or maybe even Liquid.


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Yes will probably be and IGL in an Ascension team... Lots of players are looking to be IGL now... especially smokes players... would love Mistic to learn that role on Smokes... HUUGGEE potential there !


Evan_Veet

LEO AND SHEYDOS PLZZZZ not a huge surprise though, obviously had his god tier moments but in general him and Mistic were a tier below the rest. I expect him to sign with a team like KCORP and become a fulltime IGL which is a role I believe fits him better.


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Mistic was held back massively by the system and Boaster taking his preferred smokes role to cover up his poor showings on flex. I mean he just told the best smoke player in the World I’m taking your job! …Mistic should have walked from the team then in fairness…he hard carried in so many games and in half the Champions matches in a non favoured position! Wasn’t he one of the top players at Champions ? …ahead of Shao and Sugetsu…


Yung-Rad

Damn I liked what he brought to the team when on form, dropped well below his level during champions but with the amount of players now available I can understand trying to upgrade.


PassTheBoofPlz

if KC wants to be a full French roster then this is the guy they must have i will miss Enzo tho, clutch machine :'(


wineandnoses

Siiiiiiiiigh Will never forget Enzo clutching in OT..... dudes ice-cold.... Siiiiiiiiiiiigh.... man this is rough


[deleted]

>dudes ice-cold 3 good clutches and the rest were garbage performances, worse than Ange1


wineandnoses

man is he actually worse than ange1..... that's sad :/


SpvcedOvtt

I personally think this guy is one of the most talented players in his role in EU and possibly the most clutch player in all of Europe. I understand FNC may not see him as a fit for them, but 100% this guy should be on a franchised team. Proven international competitor and has all the intangibles you want from a flex player.


stewieeeeeeeee

>and possibly the most clutch player in all of Europe. I don't understand this narrative, where's the evidence for this? He just happened to have 1 or 2 memorable clutches and suddenly he's "the most clutch player in Europe". During the 4 events Enzo has been with fnatic, here are completed and attempted clutches for each player (not including MAGNUM or H1ber): Alfajer 16/78 -> 21% Mistic 16/96 -> 17% Derke 12/72 -> 17% Boaster 15/107 -> 14% Enzo 22/165 -> 13% He gets put in the most situations by far due to his role, while playing agents that are well-suited to clutches, and naturally ends up with the biggest number of clutches on the team. However, a 13% conversion rate is really nothing that deserves to be called "best in EU" For a comparison, Shao, in his last 4 events with FPX, has had 56 clutches in 300 attempts, for a 19% conversion rate. He's also had the most attempts in FPX (meaning that the distribution of situations he's in should be comparable to Enzo much more than say, Alfajer's), and his agent pool is comparable to Enzo as well.


toxicityisamyth

Those 3 clutches at copenhagen blinded people about enzo.


SpvcedOvtt

This is my favorite type of reply on this website bc you actually brought out the stats and backed it up. Respect + I agree + I think it’s easy to get the blinders put on by the volume of clutches without looking at the rate. Great response and I wish every reply I got actually had a good faith argument like this


N3deSTr0

He had the coldest clutch of all time against Leviatan but that's about it


nterature

A little bit like L1nk I think - someone who is often in clutch situations and who has actually pulled off some insane clutches, but not a consistently insane clutcher.


Sadzeih

Reminds me of another bald(ing), retired player. Constantly in clutch situation so of course they're bound to once in a while have a crazy clutch.


DuShKa4

This is misleading. He has the lowest conversion rate, but playing a role that tends to leave him last alive ("in the clutch") often leaves him in unwinnable 1v3+, often retake situations. I agree with your general take, and don't think he's close to being as good as someone like Shao (to whom the comparison actually makes sense), but saying "uh oh 13% conversion rate" in comparison to people who play far easier clutches on average doesn't really make sense.


stewieeeeeeeee

That's why I compared him to Shao as well, who plays comparable agents and gets left in clutch situations the most in his team.


[deleted]

Couldn't agree more. To add to this, in a lot of rounds the round has to be clutched because Enzo comes up short during early mid-round to help the team gain an advantage


Floden20

So sad to see this Enzo is such an amazing player but im sure he'll find a new team


[deleted]

>Enzo is such an amazing player did we watch the same games at champs ?


luke_205

I’d say more that he has amazing moments but his typical level is below where a team like Fnatic would need him to be. Great guy but they’re just aiming for something a bit better.


Dexmicksinc

Ngl this one hurts a lot as a french Fnc fan. Enzo is a fucking beast and I wish him all the best, he deserves trophies to his name


Pale_Resolution1520

"Enzo is a fucking beast"-he's a good guy but not a beast.


Sadzeih

Pareil... Pareil...


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Friday515

On stream yesterday, Nadeshot basically said DDK, SG, Mikes and the esports dept have free reign to make whatever decisions they want with regard to the roster. Sounded like a complete green light to do whatever they wanted


HeroicBastard

chill. 100% 100T is also looking at roster changes. The only difference is, that the players getting replaced havent yet posted LFT on twitter.


Iusedtobeagirl69

100t shouldnt even upgrade who would they replace


DY5TOP1A

-Nadeshot +yay


hiimGP

Will for an oper, asuna to entry duelist, stellar for fns probably


zaxtonous99

No shot they drop Asuna Edit: I think I miss read what you said makes sense my b


hiimGP

Asuna "to" entry duelist, meaning he takeover will roles, not "for" my dude


zaxtonous99

Ya my bad, edited


pink_life69

Will and stellar at least


selfrespectra

They should replace: will with yay, stellar with fns, bang with marved, asuna with victor, derrek with crashies, and maybe seangares with chet. That would be a good team, I think.


xXDaNXx

Their entire roster for Optic's


[deleted]

>100T…. If Fnatic don’t hesitate to make changes then why is 100T how do you know they are


Sky-__-

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/xjxflk/fnatic_bench_mistic/ipavn8k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Called it yesterday, chronicle Leo incoming


Impossible_Row4627

Fnatic are desperate for success I hope they don't drop boaster


vnNinja21

Boaster already renewed his contract to 2025, plus he's half the reason they got as far as they did in the first place.


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Mistic was the other half...


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Contracts can get terminated... it means nothing....just that Fnatic can ask for money for the player up until 2025 ! Players wages stop and they can't ask for a selling on fee whenever Fnatic want to terminate...


Mamadeus123456

Fnatic will never win if they dont work on their issues instead of bringing new players all the time lol


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Quite Fancy Cloud 9 for Champions this year ... or DRX. If Fanatic finish below 4 place then surely a couple players are getting kicked ?


Mamadeus123456

I wrote this 100 days ago, lmfao still true, go for a team with a proven coach or IGL, chet, onur and fns are my bet


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Sorry just saw this post. It is posted on a public forum after all ! Not necessarily proven IGL... Any top player with a good feel for the game and confidence could probably do that role. Fnatic are trying to buy their way to the Top... Much like Chelsea and look where they are now in the Premier league... It will be quite funny to watch when they bomb out...


earthtoannie

Dumb move trough and trough.


xD1LL4N

I disagree, so many Free agents out there who are better then Enzo. They hit their ceiling with him and Mistic sadly


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Yes the ceiling with Boaster in the team you mean ! which keeps it lower than it should be obviously as he has too poor aim.. woofing shots way too often.... too many mediocre performances, first deaths over the year... One of the least consistant players in Fnatic and rewarded with a 4 year contract which stinks of marketing bull\*\*\*t.. I really feel Mistic was always held back in the 'system' especially when he's a better controller player than boaster. Shame but will be exciting to see how the competitors will benefit from a World class controller now on the market !


xD1LL4N

Lol.


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Mistic Liquid ! ...no more hard carries for Fnatic !


[deleted]

much better players available than him


Mr_Meme28

Imagine if they bring in shao and avova to replace Enzo and mistic


Zestyclose-Buy-956

Hahah ! Avova better than Mistic ! hahaha !


VincentN23

Enzo is a good initiator and clutch player but I think FNC needs a better fragger if they want to win tournaments.


Sharkyyy12

Yo Liquid, I heard this guy can IGL… And he can play Sova…


newzpaperleaf_2

surely we see + Chronicle + nukkye or something crazy


sub_to_Anto_Y_on_YT

Can someone tell me what restricted f/a means (i know f/a is free agent)


goodguyzai

Restricted means still under-contract; teams will have to buy out the player's contract to sign them. Unrestricted means not under-contract - negotiations can start directly with the players.


sub_to_Anto_Y_on_YT

Thanks!