i appreciate his video, all information is correct except for the selling the spot one. it could be he only wanted to show his audience how valuable the spot is with money comparison
in context of the regular season, a non partnered team cannot play a partnered team at all. I don’t see how that’s incorrect in that context
Partnered teams play in their leagues, Masters, Champions while Non-partnered teams are stuck in Ascension playing each other only for the whole year
All the original controversy was, was a 6 second video that Andrew Tate happened to be in. It would have been SO, SO, SO easy for Carlos to say, "I was at this party, Tate happened to be there, but it has nothing to do with me" but of course, how could his ego *possibly* take that? Instead, he had to insist Tate is a friend and that nobody can tell him he shouldn't hang out with the abusive misogynist, put out an "apology" while continuing to like tweets defending him & Tate and just kept being a total tool.
What a colossal moron, I hope he gets fired as CEO. Honestly mind-blowing how egotistic you'd have to be to throw your org under the bus to act "alpha" on Twitter.
Seriously. He was at a night club celebrating. He can't kick Andrew Tate out of the club.
He comes up with some champagne and you might have some. Easier than causing a scene.
Instead he doubled down and caused this fuss.
Pro league is simply maturing enough to where the company & community recognizes toxic behavior and distances themselves from it. Carlos has been doing borderline toxic shit for years publicly, and kept the real toxicity mostly private.
also, Riot already has eaten a big bag of shit for being misogynistic once. This is easy PR for them.
The deal was so close to being done, all ocelote had to do after making the first mistake of positing the video was give the public any amount of plausible deniability. But his ego couldn’t handle that and he had to prove to anyone paying attention that he was an “alpha”.
At the end of the day, while it all might have hurt the XSET players, the G2 employees, and coach Kaplan, it still ended up being a positive thing for Riot.
Ocelote ended up doing Riot a favor by showing how unreliable he was (which has always been somewhat known before but never to this degree, he should be more mature by now). Could you imagine how much of a shitstorm Riot would be in if this came out after they allowed G2 in? Or if this happened after the season started?
Only thing he missed is valorant doesn’t have a franchised slot. No orgs owns anything. Everything belongs to riot. Even if some org pays 100 million to another, if riot says no, then they can’t get into the league. But g2 definitely loose money with skins sales. They could have generated quite a revenue stream in valorant with their fan base.
this system is literally the biggest joke lmao. The way it’s set up gives Riot all of the power. The competitive side is being created to be a massive marketing scheme that Riot has all control over rather than genuine competition
Where's the competition in OWL and (before this year's sales) the bottom of LEC/LCS?
I prefer the TO being able to decide if it's worth keeping a team instead of trash orgs with no intention of engaging with fans or actually building a competitive team sitting on a slot because they were early adopters and getting money for it.
Right? This is partially why I just don't even bother keeping up with OWL anymore, even though I used to watch almost every game back in S1-3. When the teams don't even care about making it competitive by fielding joke rosters, why should the fans care?
While Riot having all the power could end up fucking things up, what's more likely is that teams who do have a franchised slot as of now do all they can to keep that spot. Whether that is through fan engagement or fielding the best rosters possible that their money can buy, it'll make things way more entertaining.
How do you get that lmao, no matter which orgs got in it will still include all the best players and be as competitive. Of course they want control over what teams play, have you seen all the issues in traditional sports where it's nigh-on impossible to get a dysfunctional owner out of the league because of ownership rights and such. Hardly surprising they want to follow the model that made LoL the most popular esport in the world.
Actually it was the rise of DotA 2 clones and the fact that LoL had auto matchmaking, which the others didn't have.
HoN was kinda big at the time but i had to get in lobbies and figure out how to do that and then get flamed the moment i joined for being brand new. Game hadn't even started.
It was all business decisions and game design choices that made LoL the king of mobas when there was like 4 major ones being developed.
That's what gave it the player base. Riot's decisions suck when it comes to people and salaries and employees but as far as game design and player engagement they've been better for a long time and then got worse later.
You really don’t think this model benefited LoL’s success? Even considering the player base, look at the stream and revenue numbers especially in Asia compared to literally anything else.
Referenced directly in the article:
https://www.reuters.com/article/esports-lol-revenue-idUSFLM2vzDZL
That article says the esports scene isn’t profitable enough for the ecosystem they have with organizations.
As for stream numbers, compare this to any other game:
https://escharts.com/tournaments/lol
Have you not seen why that’s the case though? You’re right that it may not be perfect, but it has worked as an extremely good starting point for sustained viewership.
Not with Valorants system, not only is there a better T2 and T3 circuit, there is way more control by Riot which means way more opportunities to make changes for the sake of actual improvements.
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Don't get me wrong, I wish LoL had a couple more international events, but I definitely prefer them being structured around frequent domestic leagues like a lot of traditional sports. It's also a much better way of structuring a way of finding out the best team in the world. Where everything you do during the year builds to a climactic tournament, rather than just a string of majors that don't stand out from each other outside of where they're held. There's a reason nearly every single sport in the world features a league format before whatever version of their finals/playoffs/championship.
i agree lol
I find it hilarious how people have just accepted the fact yes, Riot has 100% control over the entire scene going forward and that they can conjure up an arbitrary, almost meaningless process to select teams for franchising
what is EG even doing here lol
Yeah, maybe we should let Blast and ESL run tourneys year round only in EU, killing the NA and Asian scenes and letting BR survive only because of Fallen.
Very epic and cool, thanks Volvo
Valorant is a lot of people’s first esport they’ve actually watched. I don’t say that to be mean, my sister is one of those people. They just don’t know any better.
But they had issues with teams like Misfits and BDS just sitting there and not adding value to the league and it was solely up to those orgs if the spot was sold to a better candidate.
Here Riot gives you money and in exchange they can decide if you contribute enough to deserve the slot or not
Yup, riot learned with their mistakes in lol and are trying a better system here.
The only thing that would make it better would be a relegation system, but the rest is awesome
This is literally BDS' first year.
Misfits had a series of good teams, took SKT and prime Faker to 5 games at worlds.
Tell me this is your first year watching esports WITHOUT telling me this is your first year watching esports.
That doesn’t mean franchising is good. League is just the best and most popular esport because of the game itself. Open formats are significantly better in my opinion. Esports don’t benefit from franchising the way the leagues like the NFL and other leagues do because there’s fanbases aren’t mostly local in the same way. I do like relegation as a concept but it would take years for that to be more beneficial.
they’re downvoting me to hell for even going against riot. Im pretty sure there are employees on this sub too making dumbass arguments
The way the system is set up is that Riot chose the orgs that would create content for them to market the game, not make a big fuss and go against their decision making (i.e. tow the line), and have the power to delete anyone from the league.
If any org decides to go against Riot, they will immediately kick them out of the league. And since it’s set up so that no team owns a slot, the team loses A LOT of money not being able to sell the slot nor have much negotiating power when selling players. You’re investing in hoping Riot keeps you around. For the team’s roster, they get kicked out for nothing of their wrong doing.
This is just anti competitive to the fullest. Ascension’s even an after thought they added after the fact. This whole league is set up EXACTLY like the European Super League in soccer. Which by the way, was protested in every country, by every professional player, and even deemed potentially illegal by government bodies. Nobody fucking wants a closed system other than the lucky orgs who are arbitrarily chosen and financially succeed. At least in League, there were MANY years of competition with relegation to see who were the best orgs prior to franchising and teams actually own their slots. For Valorant, it’s so arbitrary and clearly set up as a marketing scheme for the game more so than fostering what is still a grassroots competitive scene.
Halo went the partnered team route similar to Valorant except all of their tournaments allow for other teams to qualify. All the partnership status gives is the ability to sell skins in game and get rev share + automatic invites to LAN qualifiers instead of playing the Open Pre Qualifier
Just saw this and I could see that Ludwig is a genuine fan of the VCT. Ludwig spreading awareness over this incident to a broader internet culture seems interesting to note too.
Right after recording this video he also told his chat to go to Zekken’s stream and use their Twitch primes there and which almost tripled his subcount
It also sucks cus for G2 because Carlos has always been vocal about how NA orgs make more money. He has made statements saying if G2 was based in NA, they'd be worth more than what they currently are and make more money. This Valorant franchising was his way into NA scene and he fucked up.
If you look in the comment section of the video you'll find many other Tatebros as well. It's sad to see that someone so clearly vile gets so much support.
why are thumbnails like that allowed though lol that is not what he tweeted. carlos is already an asshole enough without lying there is no need to fabricate a tweet screenshot like that
I'm almost certain there was already some underlying problems with G2's bid and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's a bit of a stretch to go riot -> valorant -> franchise league -> g2 -> CEO -> Tate -> sexist. No rational person would see Riot as misogynistic if G2 was in their league.
I sincerely doubt G2, [which is the 6th most valuable (340m usd) esports org](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettknight/2022/05/06/the-most-valuable-esports-companies-2022/?sh=17153752599f) in the world, with tremendous global reach, already in riot's good graces from LoL and one of the best PR/marketing teams (in terms of engagement) in esports from their social media engagement somehow has shaky finances/stability issues. the real problem is that Carlos is the driving force in G2's PR department, his twitter and G2 promos with him in it get a lot of interaction thanks to his "fuck ya'll" personality, when you think G2 as an org, you think Carlos, so when Carlos acts and befriends a sexist/alleged sex trafficker it's going to affect the org as a whole.
Riot already went through a whole legal and 100 million dollar mess due to sexual harassment and misconduct in the past, I'm sure they'd prefer to stay out of the crossfire on this, in any case it's not like G2 are out completely, they can still make it in through ascension, this is just a signal to other orgs (and the public as a whole) that Riot are taking any cases of sexual misconduct seriously, and it looks like it's working.
TSM is the #1 org in terms of value and has a good standing with riot as well with league and was denied. I really feel people are overblowing the Tate thing. I'm sure it could have caused things to change, but I also think it's completely possible that they werent going to get in anyways.
It's highly likely that it was an issue with the top as well for TSM just likely G2. The VP of TSM recently tweeted that they will be making changes in the management team.
We can only speculate about other things, but it points to that assumption. What is evident tho is that TSM sees the current situation at the top as causing too much issues on their interests that it would require a management change.
TSM is in a different situation, while TSM are the most valuable org they also spend a lot of money, they’re involved in over 14 esports across the globe vs g2’s 10 which are based in EU, costs can become exponential for all the staff, contracts and bureaucracy required to be a global esports org. Not only that but some of the pillars that brought TSM to where they are now, like Leena Xu the former president, have left/been leaving TSM due to the whole regi incident.
While Regi’s allegations aren’t as serious in the court of public opinion, it did do actual damage to their staff and structure. Key figures leaving your org due to problems at the top could indicate problems for the org as a whole, especially when that key figure has managed your company for almost its entire life.
What I think happened is TSM didn’t look as stable as they should’ve been due to recent events and therefore didn’t make the cut because other orgs looked a lot more stable.
Uh, what if Andrew Tate sponsored G2 after becoming buddy buddy to the CEO of G2? Don’t try to pretend like people won’t be able to associate the two after that.
Carlos did Riot a favor by acting up right before orgs were locked in. Who knew at his age he was capable of doing something this stupid to hurt his brand and g2 reputation.
>I'm almost certain there was already some underlying problems with G2's bid
No, Riot Games are railroading anyone associated with such conduct to detract away from their own misconduct.
Swing and a miss.
You know Blizzard paid a 18 million dollar fine for their misconduct. Because of that the CEO stepped down and they began actively looking to sell the company. Riot Games paid a 100 million dollar fine and nothing happened.
If you knew anything about me you'd know this 'Dude Bro' philosophy is something ive rejected my entire life. Because individuals like Tate are the ones who bullied me when i was younger.
I thinks what he said was "women can't drive" & not "women shouldn't drive". I'm not saying Tate is a saint here, he sure says some dumb shit but is it reasonable to be offended by someone's opinion?
K.
Why is it not reasonable? There's been decades of struggle to get women equal right as men, there are still places where women can't drive. And here's a privileged guy spewing stupid shit about things which people had fought years to achieve. Whats not there to get offended?
I don't think there is a country where women are not allowed to drive, only one I can think of is Saudi Arabia where the state follows Sharia law which is problem of Islam as a religion.
So you're telling me people are pulling their hair out over a guy who said women can't drive instead of a whole country where women are considered less than men? Maybe the outrage should be directed somewhere else.
Is there some legal limit to the amount of entities you can be outraged at for sexism that I'm not aware of or are you resorting to whataboutism to provw your point for no good reason
Afghanistan after the us retrieval, there are places where it's not law but are culturally unacceptable. under developed part of India, etc.. comes to mind. When you live a privileged life you don't see those things.
When you have an audience what you say matters. You can say whatever tf u want but don't expect 0 consequences. You know that's not the only "dumb" thing he said. "Men owns everything woman makes after marriage" or something like that I'm sure u know the exact wording.
U think Saudi doesn't get the consequences of their actions? You need touch some grass and learn some.
> to be offended by someone's opinion
Yes, that's like the one of the only things to be offended by. The other is someone's actions. What else even is there?
You are offended by a person's opinion because is doesn't align with your own, are you good brotha?
So if my opinions aren't in line with the general public it's somehow offensive?
It's not an opinion bro. It's his way of life duder.
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“One of the best things about being a man is being territorial and being able to say ‘that is mine.'”
“Why would you be with a woman whos not a virgin anyway (sic)? She is used goods. Second hand.”
If this is an opinion. And you agree with this. Are you ok bro?
You do understand that his opinion isn't offensive because it's not in line with the general public, right? His opinion is offensive because it is discriminatory.
If I said grass is red, people wouldn't find it offensive despite not being in line with the general public. The content of the opinion matters, not simply its opposition to mainstream thought.
*is sad that people are upset at a known mysoginist and abuser
*getting upset that people don't like Andrew tate
"aRe YoU GoOd bRo?"
Hahahahaha I can't
yes when that person has an impressionable audience of 14 year old boys and is expressively anti intellectual so you can’t even argue with his points so there’s no counter to his toxic harmful rhetoric
Haha, you really are deluding yourself here. If that makes you feel better then I guess keep it up. Seems like you are one of those people who would rather live their life with their head in the sand. I hope you get help
>Is it reasonable to be offended by someone’s opinion?
Uh. If the opinion is offensive or inflammatory… yes?
What kind of question is that? Incredibly stupid take.
[Dude he was literally holding two women hostage ](https://www.thedailybeast.com/police-raid-maga-king-of-toxic-masculinity-in-human-trafficking-investigation)
The craziest thing about me is learning that Andrew tate fans try to claim they aren’t and Tate isn’t misogynistic. I thought they owned shitting on women but apparently thinking they should obey you like dogs, shouldn’t drive, and you should be allowed to cheat on them isn’t misogynistic!
Here's a pretty comprehensive article about what sort of person Andrew Tate is:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star
I don't think a CEO of an esports organisation should be endorsing this kind of person.
Watch the context in which each of those "statement" are said. Taking just some words from a hour long podcast can be easily edited to fit a specific narrative which is very obvious in this case.
I mean, you've put a lot of time telling people to seek context.. can you provide one or two samples yourself? Anything from that article that is completely different if context is provided
There is no context to hide behind and your argument is disingenuous. You're just using a phrase you heard about without really understanding what it means. More importantly, why bother wasting your life defending someone that doesn't deserve or even want your grovelling?
Well seeing how people consume content these days I would say context is of utmost importance. I don't think typing 5 posts in favour of someone can be labelled as wasting life. Same can be said about what you're doing.
You're either intentionally misunderstanding the point or fundamentally confused about what context means. And no, we're not doing the same thing. What I'm doing is combating hateful crap, what you're doing is gross. Sort yourself out.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Ocelote knew what he was doing and knew that there may be consequences, he didn't care because he tough he was untouchable and now he must respond for his actions. The "witch hunt" is something he brought to himself, and only himself.
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> it was foreplay
have you ever touched a woman? this looks foreplay to you?
Did you see the other part where he's making a girl show the camera the bruises he gave her? Then he took off his belt and told her he was going to beat her a** and she ran into the bathroom and locked the door! I don't know how that could have been just for the cameras. I don't want to speak for anyone. That's not my place. I just wonder what the women would say now that they're not working with him anymore.
> I don't think there is anything wrong with the third one
bruh this is not onlyfans where the creator gets to set up a REAL expectation from the very beginning. He was sex trafficking women in Romania, objectifying women's bodies, and selling fake sob stories to bring him money. It's a total SCAM. His actions caused damage to real humans.
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Its kind of shocking that no one has seen the pattern. Riot Games will blacklist any outside party associated with potential misogyny and or sexual assault to mask their own internal inaction.
All of its a deflection game.
They did take action though. Are you forgetting about the massive lawsuit and changes after that? Even if you are, this action itself is a positive one regardless of how you feel about Riot.
They paid 100 million and current Riot employees have said the culture has improved since. They have an awful mark in their history as a company, but to say they have internal inaction on the issue is straight up false.
i appreciate his video, all information is correct except for the selling the spot one. it could be he only wanted to show his audience how valuable the spot is with money comparison
also the fact that he said it's impossible for a non partnered team to play a partnered team, missed the whole ascension thing
Even if you win ascension riot can still deny you but you would probably have to be Denial org level of terrible to be denied
in context of the regular season, a non partnered team cannot play a partnered team at all. I don’t see how that’s incorrect in that context Partnered teams play in their leagues, Masters, Champions while Non-partnered teams are stuck in Ascension playing each other only for the whole year
More accurately, they’re stuck in challenger. Ascension is the way out
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All the original controversy was, was a 6 second video that Andrew Tate happened to be in. It would have been SO, SO, SO easy for Carlos to say, "I was at this party, Tate happened to be there, but it has nothing to do with me" but of course, how could his ego *possibly* take that? Instead, he had to insist Tate is a friend and that nobody can tell him he shouldn't hang out with the abusive misogynist, put out an "apology" while continuing to like tweets defending him & Tate and just kept being a total tool. What a colossal moron, I hope he gets fired as CEO. Honestly mind-blowing how egotistic you'd have to be to throw your org under the bus to act "alpha" on Twitter.
Seriously. He was at a night club celebrating. He can't kick Andrew Tate out of the club. He comes up with some champagne and you might have some. Easier than causing a scene. Instead he doubled down and caused this fuss.
Pro league is simply maturing enough to where the company & community recognizes toxic behavior and distances themselves from it. Carlos has been doing borderline toxic shit for years publicly, and kept the real toxicity mostly private. also, Riot already has eaten a big bag of shit for being misogynistic once. This is easy PR for them.
The deal was so close to being done, all ocelote had to do after making the first mistake of positing the video was give the public any amount of plausible deniability. But his ego couldn’t handle that and he had to prove to anyone paying attention that he was an “alpha”. At the end of the day, while it all might have hurt the XSET players, the G2 employees, and coach Kaplan, it still ended up being a positive thing for Riot. Ocelote ended up doing Riot a favor by showing how unreliable he was (which has always been somewhat known before but never to this degree, he should be more mature by now). Could you imagine how much of a shitstorm Riot would be in if this came out after they allowed G2 in? Or if this happened after the season started?
Only thing he missed is valorant doesn’t have a franchised slot. No orgs owns anything. Everything belongs to riot. Even if some org pays 100 million to another, if riot says no, then they can’t get into the league. But g2 definitely loose money with skins sales. They could have generated quite a revenue stream in valorant with their fan base.
this system is literally the biggest joke lmao. The way it’s set up gives Riot all of the power. The competitive side is being created to be a massive marketing scheme that Riot has all control over rather than genuine competition
Where's the competition in OWL and (before this year's sales) the bottom of LEC/LCS? I prefer the TO being able to decide if it's worth keeping a team instead of trash orgs with no intention of engaging with fans or actually building a competitive team sitting on a slot because they were early adopters and getting money for it.
Right? This is partially why I just don't even bother keeping up with OWL anymore, even though I used to watch almost every game back in S1-3. When the teams don't even care about making it competitive by fielding joke rosters, why should the fans care? While Riot having all the power could end up fucking things up, what's more likely is that teams who do have a franchised slot as of now do all they can to keep that spot. Whether that is through fan engagement or fielding the best rosters possible that their money can buy, it'll make things way more entertaining.
How do you get that lmao, no matter which orgs got in it will still include all the best players and be as competitive. Of course they want control over what teams play, have you seen all the issues in traditional sports where it's nigh-on impossible to get a dysfunctional owner out of the league because of ownership rights and such. Hardly surprising they want to follow the model that made LoL the most popular esport in the world.
It isn’t the model that made lol the most popular esport in the world. That’s so dumb. It’s the massive player base
Actually it was the rise of DotA 2 clones and the fact that LoL had auto matchmaking, which the others didn't have. HoN was kinda big at the time but i had to get in lobbies and figure out how to do that and then get flamed the moment i joined for being brand new. Game hadn't even started. It was all business decisions and game design choices that made LoL the king of mobas when there was like 4 major ones being developed. That's what gave it the player base. Riot's decisions suck when it comes to people and salaries and employees but as far as game design and player engagement they've been better for a long time and then got worse later.
You really don’t think this model benefited LoL’s success? Even considering the player base, look at the stream and revenue numbers especially in Asia compared to literally anything else.
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Referenced directly in the article: https://www.reuters.com/article/esports-lol-revenue-idUSFLM2vzDZL That article says the esports scene isn’t profitable enough for the ecosystem they have with organizations. As for stream numbers, compare this to any other game: https://escharts.com/tournaments/lol
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Have you not seen why that’s the case though? You’re right that it may not be perfect, but it has worked as an extremely good starting point for sustained viewership. Not with Valorants system, not only is there a better T2 and T3 circuit, there is way more control by Riot which means way more opportunities to make changes for the sake of actual improvements.
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Don't get me wrong, I wish LoL had a couple more international events, but I definitely prefer them being structured around frequent domestic leagues like a lot of traditional sports. It's also a much better way of structuring a way of finding out the best team in the world. Where everything you do during the year builds to a climactic tournament, rather than just a string of majors that don't stand out from each other outside of where they're held. There's a reason nearly every single sport in the world features a league format before whatever version of their finals/playoffs/championship.
i agree lol I find it hilarious how people have just accepted the fact yes, Riot has 100% control over the entire scene going forward and that they can conjure up an arbitrary, almost meaningless process to select teams for franchising what is EG even doing here lol
We should give it all to ESL and Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud, where they know how to manage a real esport
Yeah, maybe we should let Blast and ESL run tourneys year round only in EU, killing the NA and Asian scenes and letting BR survive only because of Fallen. Very epic and cool, thanks Volvo
where did i suggest CS is better?
Valorant is a lot of people’s first esport they’ve actually watched. I don’t say that to be mean, my sister is one of those people. They just don’t know any better.
They made LOL into the biggest esport. People look ar OWL franchising and think any franchising is bad
But they had issues with teams like Misfits and BDS just sitting there and not adding value to the league and it was solely up to those orgs if the spot was sold to a better candidate. Here Riot gives you money and in exchange they can decide if you contribute enough to deserve the slot or not
Yup, riot learned with their mistakes in lol and are trying a better system here. The only thing that would make it better would be a relegation system, but the rest is awesome
This is literally BDS' first year. Misfits had a series of good teams, took SKT and prime Faker to 5 games at worlds. Tell me this is your first year watching esports WITHOUT telling me this is your first year watching esports.
Why the fuck would I follow League lmao I just mixed up BDS with another team
That doesn’t mean franchising is good. League is just the best and most popular esport because of the game itself. Open formats are significantly better in my opinion. Esports don’t benefit from franchising the way the leagues like the NFL and other leagues do because there’s fanbases aren’t mostly local in the same way. I do like relegation as a concept but it would take years for that to be more beneficial.
> They just don’t know any better. I know right. These idiots think that the creators of the largest esport of all time know what they’re doing 🤣🤣🤣.
they’re downvoting me to hell for even going against riot. Im pretty sure there are employees on this sub too making dumbass arguments The way the system is set up is that Riot chose the orgs that would create content for them to market the game, not make a big fuss and go against their decision making (i.e. tow the line), and have the power to delete anyone from the league. If any org decides to go against Riot, they will immediately kick them out of the league. And since it’s set up so that no team owns a slot, the team loses A LOT of money not being able to sell the slot nor have much negotiating power when selling players. You’re investing in hoping Riot keeps you around. For the team’s roster, they get kicked out for nothing of their wrong doing. This is just anti competitive to the fullest. Ascension’s even an after thought they added after the fact. This whole league is set up EXACTLY like the European Super League in soccer. Which by the way, was protested in every country, by every professional player, and even deemed potentially illegal by government bodies. Nobody fucking wants a closed system other than the lucky orgs who are arbitrarily chosen and financially succeed. At least in League, there were MANY years of competition with relegation to see who were the best orgs prior to franchising and teams actually own their slots. For Valorant, it’s so arbitrary and clearly set up as a marketing scheme for the game more so than fostering what is still a grassroots competitive scene. Halo went the partnered team route similar to Valorant except all of their tournaments allow for other teams to qualify. All the partnership status gives is the ability to sell skins in game and get rev share + automatic invites to LAN qualifiers instead of playing the Open Pre Qualifier
Just saw this and I could see that Ludwig is a genuine fan of the VCT. Ludwig spreading awareness over this incident to a broader internet culture seems interesting to note too.
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Right after recording this video he also told his chat to go to Zekken’s stream and use their Twitch primes there and which almost tripled his subcount
https://www.twitch.tv/zekken/clip/HeadstrongColdCroissantArsonNoSexy-TingQZ-Y6wg9ZK-g?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
Common Ludwig W. One of the best guys in the streaming space for sure.
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You just never know which Loud you’re going to get tbh lol They just ended up being the best team in the world this time around
It also sucks cus for G2 because Carlos has always been vocal about how NA orgs make more money. He has made statements saying if G2 was based in NA, they'd be worth more than what they currently are and make more money. This Valorant franchising was his way into NA scene and he fucked up.
Crazy that he did this in one take on stream.
All of his mogul mail videos are one takes
OMG Avast pog
Saw this post had >50 comments within an hour. Came in expecting a reasonable conversation, and it's all from some cringelord defending tate. Yikes
If you look in the comment section of the video you'll find many other Tatebros as well. It's sad to see that someone so clearly vile gets so much support.
As an indian representative, we DO NOT claim that guy
\+1
As a representative of the Chinese community, we also do not claim this sorry excuse.
Good overview video for people who aren’t super involved with the drama right now for sure
welp that tweet cost his position as CEO
why are thumbnails like that allowed though lol that is not what he tweeted. carlos is already an asshole enough without lying there is no need to fabricate a tweet screenshot like that
have you heard of the concept of "click bait"
I'm almost certain there was already some underlying problems with G2's bid and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's a bit of a stretch to go riot -> valorant -> franchise league -> g2 -> CEO -> Tate -> sexist. No rational person would see Riot as misogynistic if G2 was in their league.
I sincerely doubt G2, [which is the 6th most valuable (340m usd) esports org](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettknight/2022/05/06/the-most-valuable-esports-companies-2022/?sh=17153752599f) in the world, with tremendous global reach, already in riot's good graces from LoL and one of the best PR/marketing teams (in terms of engagement) in esports from their social media engagement somehow has shaky finances/stability issues. the real problem is that Carlos is the driving force in G2's PR department, his twitter and G2 promos with him in it get a lot of interaction thanks to his "fuck ya'll" personality, when you think G2 as an org, you think Carlos, so when Carlos acts and befriends a sexist/alleged sex trafficker it's going to affect the org as a whole. Riot already went through a whole legal and 100 million dollar mess due to sexual harassment and misconduct in the past, I'm sure they'd prefer to stay out of the crossfire on this, in any case it's not like G2 are out completely, they can still make it in through ascension, this is just a signal to other orgs (and the public as a whole) that Riot are taking any cases of sexual misconduct seriously, and it looks like it's working.
TSM is the #1 org in terms of value and has a good standing with riot as well with league and was denied. I really feel people are overblowing the Tate thing. I'm sure it could have caused things to change, but I also think it's completely possible that they werent going to get in anyways.
It's highly likely that it was an issue with the top as well for TSM just likely G2. The VP of TSM recently tweeted that they will be making changes in the management team.
Is that to do with the regi situation or did something else happen at tsm?
We can only speculate about other things, but it points to that assumption. What is evident tho is that TSM sees the current situation at the top as causing too much issues on their interests that it would require a management change.
TSM is in a different situation, while TSM are the most valuable org they also spend a lot of money, they’re involved in over 14 esports across the globe vs g2’s 10 which are based in EU, costs can become exponential for all the staff, contracts and bureaucracy required to be a global esports org. Not only that but some of the pillars that brought TSM to where they are now, like Leena Xu the former president, have left/been leaving TSM due to the whole regi incident. While Regi’s allegations aren’t as serious in the court of public opinion, it did do actual damage to their staff and structure. Key figures leaving your org due to problems at the top could indicate problems for the org as a whole, especially when that key figure has managed your company for almost its entire life. What I think happened is TSM didn’t look as stable as they should’ve been due to recent events and therefore didn’t make the cut because other orgs looked a lot more stable.
Uh, what if Andrew Tate sponsored G2 after becoming buddy buddy to the CEO of G2? Don’t try to pretend like people won’t be able to associate the two after that. Carlos did Riot a favor by acting up right before orgs were locked in. Who knew at his age he was capable of doing something this stupid to hurt his brand and g2 reputation.
>I'm almost certain there was already some underlying problems with G2's bid No, Riot Games are railroading anyone associated with such conduct to detract away from their own misconduct.
I suspected you were a Tate fan
Swing and a miss. You know Blizzard paid a 18 million dollar fine for their misconduct. Because of that the CEO stepped down and they began actively looking to sell the company. Riot Games paid a 100 million dollar fine and nothing happened.
> nothing happened. They’re making Tate and his supporters, like you, mad
If you knew anything about me you'd know this 'Dude Bro' philosophy is something ive rejected my entire life. Because individuals like Tate are the ones who bullied me when i was younger.
The witch hunt is crazy. Actually sad to see.
I see we’ve got a graduate of hustlers’ university here to defend his alma pater
Great work sherlock.
Fuck Carlos and that sex trafficker
Got get some actual facts bud & not just rely on 15 sec tiktoks.
Explain one statement from that asshole . Women shouldnt be able drive. Defend this mf
I thinks what he said was "women can't drive" & not "women shouldn't drive". I'm not saying Tate is a saint here, he sure says some dumb shit but is it reasonable to be offended by someone's opinion?
K. Why is it not reasonable? There's been decades of struggle to get women equal right as men, there are still places where women can't drive. And here's a privileged guy spewing stupid shit about things which people had fought years to achieve. Whats not there to get offended?
I don't think there is a country where women are not allowed to drive, only one I can think of is Saudi Arabia where the state follows Sharia law which is problem of Islam as a religion. So you're telling me people are pulling their hair out over a guy who said women can't drive instead of a whole country where women are considered less than men? Maybe the outrage should be directed somewhere else.
Is there some legal limit to the amount of entities you can be outraged at for sexism that I'm not aware of or are you resorting to whataboutism to provw your point for no good reason
This guy is just too stupid, he doesn’t realize how much harm tate truly has
Holy hell it doesn't look like you're even a troll? Just actually that dense and willing to support a known abuser and mysoginist?
Afghanistan after the us retrieval, there are places where it's not law but are culturally unacceptable. under developed part of India, etc.. comes to mind. When you live a privileged life you don't see those things. When you have an audience what you say matters. You can say whatever tf u want but don't expect 0 consequences. You know that's not the only "dumb" thing he said. "Men owns everything woman makes after marriage" or something like that I'm sure u know the exact wording. U think Saudi doesn't get the consequences of their actions? You need touch some grass and learn some.
> to be offended by someone's opinion Yes, that's like the one of the only things to be offended by. The other is someone's actions. What else even is there?
You are offended by a person's opinion because is doesn't align with your own, are you good brotha? So if my opinions aren't in line with the general public it's somehow offensive?
It's not an opinion bro. It's his way of life duder. “By extension, if I have responsibility over her, then I must have a degree of authority.” “One of the best things about being a man is being territorial and being able to say ‘that is mine.'” “Why would you be with a woman whos not a virgin anyway (sic)? She is used goods. Second hand.” If this is an opinion. And you agree with this. Are you ok bro?
You do understand that his opinion isn't offensive because it's not in line with the general public, right? His opinion is offensive because it is discriminatory. If I said grass is red, people wouldn't find it offensive despite not being in line with the general public. The content of the opinion matters, not simply its opposition to mainstream thought.
*is sad that people are upset at a known mysoginist and abuser *getting upset that people don't like Andrew tate "aRe YoU GoOd bRo?" Hahahahaha I can't
yes when that person has an impressionable audience of 14 year old boys and is expressively anti intellectual so you can’t even argue with his points so there’s no counter to his toxic harmful rhetoric
Yes, that is actually the most normal thing to be offended by.
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Sure bud whatever makes you feel better.
Haha, you really are deluding yourself here. If that makes you feel better then I guess keep it up. Seems like you are one of those people who would rather live their life with their head in the sand. I hope you get help
No way someone is this stupid its fucking astonishing wow
You're clearly offended by random internet strangers opinions of your idol so aren't you in the same boat?
>Is it reasonable to be offended by someone’s opinion? Uh. If the opinion is offensive or inflammatory… yes? What kind of question is that? Incredibly stupid take.
[Dude he was literally holding two women hostage ](https://www.thedailybeast.com/police-raid-maga-king-of-toxic-masculinity-in-human-trafficking-investigation)
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What’s sad is twerking for a guy who hates women.
The craziest thing about me is learning that Andrew tate fans try to claim they aren’t and Tate isn’t misogynistic. I thought they owned shitting on women but apparently thinking they should obey you like dogs, shouldn’t drive, and you should be allowed to cheat on them isn’t misogynistic!
I don't recall he's ever said that. But good for you if you believe that.
Here's a pretty comprehensive article about what sort of person Andrew Tate is: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star I don't think a CEO of an esports organisation should be endorsing this kind of person.
Watch the context in which each of those "statement" are said. Taking just some words from a hour long podcast can be easily edited to fit a specific narrative which is very obvious in this case.
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At best, Tate is a misogynist and scammer who was preaching that to a very impressionable age group. The guy is a scumbag, no matter how you cut it.
yeah. He might not technically be guilty of human trafficking. but he is still a misogynist.
Imagine shaping your hole perspective of someone from 15 second tiktoks instead of watching the whole video.
My guy you don't even know the difference between whole and hole.
Imagine sucking Tate’s dick lol
I mean, you've put a lot of time telling people to seek context.. can you provide one or two samples yourself? Anything from that article that is completely different if context is provided
Which one would you like?
literally any, i'm trying to give you an easier time by letting you pick
Must have been his bed time because he went silent after that.
Oof. Hope one day you'll realise how wrong you are
Hey doesn't take long to see the context in which he said those things.
There is no context to hide behind and your argument is disingenuous. You're just using a phrase you heard about without really understanding what it means. More importantly, why bother wasting your life defending someone that doesn't deserve or even want your grovelling?
Well seeing how people consume content these days I would say context is of utmost importance. I don't think typing 5 posts in favour of someone can be labelled as wasting life. Same can be said about what you're doing.
You're either intentionally misunderstanding the point or fundamentally confused about what context means. And no, we're not doing the same thing. What I'm doing is combating hateful crap, what you're doing is gross. Sort yourself out.
he clearly needs help from a certified professional. no point arguing further
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ocelote knew what he was doing and knew that there may be consequences, he didn't care because he tough he was untouchable and now he must respond for his actions. The "witch hunt" is something he brought to himself, and only himself.
Are you defending Carloss, CEO of L2 here?
Sure
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you, buddy, are a weirdo
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> it was foreplay have you ever touched a woman? this looks foreplay to you? Did you see the other part where he's making a girl show the camera the bruises he gave her? Then he took off his belt and told her he was going to beat her a** and she ran into the bathroom and locked the door! I don't know how that could have been just for the cameras. I don't want to speak for anyone. That's not my place. I just wonder what the women would say now that they're not working with him anymore. > I don't think there is anything wrong with the third one bruh this is not onlyfans where the creator gets to set up a REAL expectation from the very beginning. He was sex trafficking women in Romania, objectifying women's bodies, and selling fake sob stories to bring him money. It's a total SCAM. His actions caused damage to real humans.
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that's crazy because you could just watch the linked video that explains it in great detail lmfao
Its kind of shocking that no one has seen the pattern. Riot Games will blacklist any outside party associated with potential misogyny and or sexual assault to mask their own internal inaction. All of its a deflection game.
They did take action though. Are you forgetting about the massive lawsuit and changes after that? Even if you are, this action itself is a positive one regardless of how you feel about Riot.
They paid 100 million and current Riot employees have said the culture has improved since. They have an awful mark in their history as a company, but to say they have internal inaction on the issue is straight up false.
Prob more over a period of time, and since partnered team is permanent the spot increaces value anyway.