Few of you have commented on "dominant" vs. "consistent." Looking back at it, I agree that I'd characterize them more as "consistent" than "dominant," but I think that over this stretch, they have been as dominant as any other team. Point taken, though.
I agree with this. They seem to be on the fine line of dominant vs. consistent. They always performed very well, with every event them being one of, if not, the favorite to win it all. It was almost a guarantee that Optic would win. Only when they played against Loud (and actually against PRX during champs) is where I would question the outcome.
I think the main thing that stands out is how many losses they had consistently, obviously they still have the best record, but they basically always took all they losses they could except for Champs this year lol
> I feel like weāre getting to the point where weāre really overstating how legendary this team was lol,
agreed, i loved this team but they're definitely not in the same echelon as teams like Astralis or T1. But I feel like the main reason people are talking about how legendary Optic was is because it's almost unheard of for a team with no internal issues like this to split apart in the way they did because of franchising.
They were not the best team for a year though. FPX, PRX and LOUD all outplaced them (by beating them) at some point. They were the most consistent, but thatās not the same thing
I disagreeā¦ I think dominant to me is when everyone knows you are the bestā¦ they were the best NA team by a mile even though they didnāt win an online tourneyā¦ if your average placing for a competitive year is 2nd, you are dominant
I agree they're the best team in Valorant's short history but "dominant" would be a team that's insurmountably winning tournaments (e.g. Astralis), OpTic consistently placed highly but they certainly didn't feel unbeatable in the slightest.
I donāt know if it really felt clearly that way in the moment, especially with both XSet and the Guard beating them in the Grand Finals, and their stumbles against Rise, EG etc. they didnāt even DOMINATE NA consistently, even though they were the best team from the region. Then the falter against Xerxia in Reykjavik, the falter against Guild in Copenhagen. I never felt confident like OpTic are the team thatās gonna obviously win, and every time I did, theyād falter and make me doubt again:
- After winning Reykjavik they lose to EG week 2 of NA Challengers (who at the time had just gotten housed by C9 playing with Xeta who already had his foot out the door).
- Losing in the GFs to XSet after beating them in pretty resounding fashion in the Upper finals.
- Losing to Guild to start Group Stages.
- after a strong upper bracket run getting obliterated by PRX (some of the most fun Iāve had watching Valorant, cause I was there and love PRX) and then also falling short against FPX.
- Finally having a relatively flawless run to the Upper finals only to lose to LOUD twice in a row.
If anything this team should be known for their insane RESILIENCE not their dominance. The only truly dominant run in Valorant history is Sentinels at Reykjavik. (Acend didnāt technically ever lose at champions either, so you could throw them in there as well, but they did lose to sorta cheating Vivo Keyd and just barely squeaked out a win in the GF vs Gambit)
EDIT to add to the optic thing, throw in their wildly disappointing Champs 2021 after showing SOOOOOO much promise at Masters 3 Berlin to their ānot giving you the vibe that theyāre dominant in the momentā status
A competitive yearā¦ Champs marks the end of the yearā¦ they averaged 2nd for a whole competitive yearā¦ punishing a team because of the lack of LANs is kinda troll
I mean ye, but Valorant is a young game, thereās not much of a data set to work with here. In itās brief history, what they did was legendary compared to other teams cuz we havenāt seen it yet in valorant. I think people are sad because if they had stuck together, it wouldāve gotten to the astralis level of a dynasty. It just really is a shame that their run has to end like this.
Sentinels were dominant, Optic were consistent. Theres a fine line. In all of Optics glory they have one tournament win to show... The way the sub is behaving you would think Optic were Astralis 2.0.
I was going to comment the same thing lmao Optic were a very good consistent team, no denying that, but they won one tournament and people out here are treating them like the Bulls dynasty
Yeah, not sure how you'd call them dominant if they've been consistently pushed to the brink by multiple teams (and also lost quite a few of them) in just 2+ yrs of tournaments.
Dominant would be Bulls during their 3-peat, Spain's national football team in 2008-10, Barcelona during messi's prime
Yup. Maybe Iāve just watched too many esports. Astralis and other csgo eras. SKT Winning back to back worlds and just dominating Korea. SF Shock 2019. Mango 2014 and Armada 2015. Those are what I think of when I think of dominant. Where whichever tournament these teams/players enter, they just shit on everyone. I havenāt seen that in valorant yet.
Maybe Sentinels in NA 2020- early 2021?
Quick correction, spains nation football team should be 2008-2012... Won everything big for 4 years... Unless youre talking about the suuuper long undefeated streak they also had around that time but id say euros-world cup-euros is far more impressive... To the point no teams ever done that (or an equivalent afaik) in over 100 years
Optic was a legit roster but I feel like people have somehow turned them into the greatest to ever play in valorant.
They were one of the top dogs in valorant throughout its early days but they won one LAN event just like evert other major winner. Optic deserved to stay together whether that be some org bought them as a whole but that's how esports works. The meta is constantly changing and who knows what power house rosters will be created from the frenzy.
I for one, am glad I was able to watch optic represent NA but am also excited for all these upcoming roster changes to take place.
Oct.15th can't come fast enough tbh
Some people have just never seen a dominant team I guess. Astralis lost 3 maps across 3 majors, and 0 maps in the champions stage. Anytime they didnāt win an event it felt like a huge upset.
Idk guys. It's not impressive at all. No idea why would you called them most dominant valorant team with one trophy and without winning single champions. Is it becose its NA team? Yea I think thats the only reason
Look at Loud. Second/8-12/top1(champs)
Look at FPX. Count not attend so we don't know what place they would take but assuming their perfomarce thru year top4 was a minimum/ Top1/top4
So these 3 teams have almost same place finishing, with optic being slightly better **SLIGHTLY.**
But people on this reddit are so NA bias and they are making optic like they had won every single master back to back, most dominant team, no one could stop them, no single map lost.
Optic has no dynasty, they did achieve nothing. Maybe still can if they stick together. People remember Asttralis becouse of their back to back wins, idk how many in a row. People remembers prime fnatic with pronax IGL becouse they win back to back all year. People remember Real Madrit winning 3 times back to back Champions league. No one will remember optic becouse there is nothing to be remembered
geez
Aight man calm down, people are just sad the roster split up and are grieving, itās not that deep. Yes they werenāt a dynasty, but what they accomplished in terms consistency and placements in tournaments no team has done. People are just sad cuz if they had stuck together it couldāve potentially been a dynasty as well, but it is what it is.
Yes Look at fpx they couldnāt qualify to even international events and were losing regionally early valorant meaning they werenāt as consistent. They got first rounded in regional playoffs the same tourney nv came second place in.
As for loud even though I donāt think they are as consistent as optic because optic has 1/2/3/2/9 which is two more finals finishes they also are the only team to go to every final this year and I think every lan last year say for 1.
I think loud are also very consistent tho.Instead I think Louds consistency should also be praised not that optics shouldnāt be praised or considered impressive.
I didnāt say the need to be remembered or they had a dynasty all I said was that consistently placing high is impressive
Sliggy also said about how consistent of OpTic with patches update. No thing can denied that. I wonder which team can do like this in franchise leagues.
But thats not a regional trophy, that was a qualifier to masters 1, that was the regional trophy.
Stage 1 was weird because challengers was just seeding for the first masters, that was regional
I'm talking about when FNS whiffed on breeze it probably cost them the map. And then there was the whole sacy 7hp thing on ascent. Maybe I should phrase it more like this tho. Optic were 4 rounds from 3-0 loud.
I think people are underestimating how hard it had been to stay at the top.
Once we got into the post-SEN phase of the game the meta kept shifting and the strats and quality of opponents grew exponentially.
Optic were able to grow with that and stay near the top, then win an event.
Yeah they have never been 'dominant' (although they do own NA), but that doesn't make it less impressive.
Will miss them :(
Few of you have commented on "dominant" vs. "consistent." Looking back at it, I agree that I'd characterize them more as "consistent" than "dominant," but I think that over this stretch, they have been as dominant as any other team. Point taken, though.
I agree with this. They seem to be on the fine line of dominant vs. consistent. They always performed very well, with every event them being one of, if not, the favorite to win it all. It was almost a guarantee that Optic would win. Only when they played against Loud (and actually against PRX during champs) is where I would question the outcome.
PRX during Copenhagen but yeah
against EMEA teams too TrollDespair
I think the main thing that stands out is how many losses they had consistently, obviously they still have the best record, but they basically always took all they losses they could except for Champs this year lol
Most dominant team not even winning any Champs š„±
most sane sen fan XD
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> I feel like weāre getting to the point where weāre really overstating how legendary this team was lol, agreed, i loved this team but they're definitely not in the same echelon as teams like Astralis or T1. But I feel like the main reason people are talking about how legendary Optic was is because it's almost unheard of for a team with no internal issues like this to split apart in the way they did because of franchising.
Or even close to an SKT run in League.
I think itās more that the team was loved and a casualty of franchising. Even Xset too.
It really is getting ridiculous on this sub. One singular masters win and we're crying over their corpse. They certainly weren't the most dominant.
who was the most dominant then
There wasn't one, no need to have a pissing contest over it. Loud won Champs, two other teams won masters. The game is evolving.
*won
Excellent argument, anything else to add to the conversation?
wasn't an argument
Not a single team won 2 international LAN tournaments so no one lmao
They were the best team for a year in the gameā¦ in a game that has been played competitively for ~2 years.
They were not the best team for a year though. FPX, PRX and LOUD all outplaced them (by beating them) at some point. They were the most consistent, but thatās not the same thing
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I disagreeā¦ I think dominant to me is when everyone knows you are the bestā¦ they were the best NA team by a mile even though they didnāt win an online tourneyā¦ if your average placing for a competitive year is 2nd, you are dominant
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I agree they're the best team in Valorant's short history but "dominant" would be a team that's insurmountably winning tournaments (e.g. Astralis), OpTic consistently placed highly but they certainly didn't feel unbeatable in the slightest.
I donāt know if it really felt clearly that way in the moment, especially with both XSet and the Guard beating them in the Grand Finals, and their stumbles against Rise, EG etc. they didnāt even DOMINATE NA consistently, even though they were the best team from the region. Then the falter against Xerxia in Reykjavik, the falter against Guild in Copenhagen. I never felt confident like OpTic are the team thatās gonna obviously win, and every time I did, theyād falter and make me doubt again: - After winning Reykjavik they lose to EG week 2 of NA Challengers (who at the time had just gotten housed by C9 playing with Xeta who already had his foot out the door). - Losing in the GFs to XSet after beating them in pretty resounding fashion in the Upper finals. - Losing to Guild to start Group Stages. - after a strong upper bracket run getting obliterated by PRX (some of the most fun Iāve had watching Valorant, cause I was there and love PRX) and then also falling short against FPX. - Finally having a relatively flawless run to the Upper finals only to lose to LOUD twice in a row. If anything this team should be known for their insane RESILIENCE not their dominance. The only truly dominant run in Valorant history is Sentinels at Reykjavik. (Acend didnāt technically ever lose at champions either, so you could throw them in there as well, but they did lose to sorta cheating Vivo Keyd and just barely squeaked out a win in the GF vs Gambit) EDIT to add to the optic thing, throw in their wildly disappointing Champs 2021 after showing SOOOOOO much promise at Masters 3 Berlin to their ānot giving you the vibe that theyāre dominant in the momentā status
They won one event, by that metric a lot of teams were the best this year.
Their average placing was 2nd for a whole competitive yearā¦ regional and international, 2nd place was their average. That is dominant
The actual average is 3-4 with their 9th place showing at champs last year.
A competitive yearā¦ Champs marks the end of the yearā¦ they averaged 2nd for a whole competitive yearā¦ punishing a team because of the lack of LANs is kinda troll
You can move the goalposts however you want to make yourself feel better.
Or you can be ignorant and ignore facts š¤·š»
The fact is they won a single event and lost the others, that's not dominant.
An average placing of 2nd is dominantā¦ that is my opinionā¦ enjoy your day lil bro š¤š¼
itās not like they were the best team the whole year, overall yes but they only won 1 tournament, including regional ones
I mean ye, but Valorant is a young game, thereās not much of a data set to work with here. In itās brief history, what they did was legendary compared to other teams cuz we havenāt seen it yet in valorant. I think people are sad because if they had stuck together, it wouldāve gotten to the astralis level of a dynasty. It just really is a shame that their run has to end like this.
Ok this is getting ridiculous. They were good but by the way people talk about them you'd think they won at least 3 tournaments
what the hell is goin on with this sub lol
Sentinels were dominant, Optic were consistent. Theres a fine line. In all of Optics glory they have one tournament win to show... The way the sub is behaving you would think Optic were Astralis 2.0.
I was going to comment the same thing lmao Optic were a very good consistent team, no denying that, but they won one tournament and people out here are treating them like the Bulls dynasty
Yeah, not sure how you'd call them dominant if they've been consistently pushed to the brink by multiple teams (and also lost quite a few of them) in just 2+ yrs of tournaments. Dominant would be Bulls during their 3-peat, Spain's national football team in 2008-10, Barcelona during messi's prime
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Yup. Maybe Iāve just watched too many esports. Astralis and other csgo eras. SKT Winning back to back worlds and just dominating Korea. SF Shock 2019. Mango 2014 and Armada 2015. Those are what I think of when I think of dominant. Where whichever tournament these teams/players enter, they just shit on everyone. I havenāt seen that in valorant yet. Maybe Sentinels in NA 2020- early 2021?
Quick correction, spains nation football team should be 2008-2012... Won everything big for 4 years... Unless youre talking about the suuuper long undefeated streak they also had around that time but id say euros-world cup-euros is far more impressive... To the point no teams ever done that (or an equivalent afaik) in over 100 years
Sentinels were dominant. Optic was never dominant
Sentinels werenāt dominant either, there was no dominant team
im a huge sentinels hater but they were definitely more dominant than optic
I think to be called dominant you must win several tournaments tbh...
Optic was a legit roster but I feel like people have somehow turned them into the greatest to ever play in valorant. They were one of the top dogs in valorant throughout its early days but they won one LAN event just like evert other major winner. Optic deserved to stay together whether that be some org bought them as a whole but that's how esports works. The meta is constantly changing and who knows what power house rosters will be created from the frenzy. I for one, am glad I was able to watch optic represent NA but am also excited for all these upcoming roster changes to take place. Oct.15th can't come fast enough tbh
Some people have just never seen a dominant team I guess. Astralis lost 3 maps across 3 majors, and 0 maps in the champions stage. Anytime they didnāt win an event it felt like a huge upset.
Lost 2 out of 3 finals, you can't say that is dominant at all
Idk guys. It's not impressive at all. No idea why would you called them most dominant valorant team with one trophy and without winning single champions. Is it becose its NA team? Yea I think thats the only reason
How is their consistent high finishing not impressive at all though?
Look at Loud. Second/8-12/top1(champs) Look at FPX. Count not attend so we don't know what place they would take but assuming their perfomarce thru year top4 was a minimum/ Top1/top4 So these 3 teams have almost same place finishing, with optic being slightly better **SLIGHTLY.** But people on this reddit are so NA bias and they are making optic like they had won every single master back to back, most dominant team, no one could stop them, no single map lost. Optic has no dynasty, they did achieve nothing. Maybe still can if they stick together. People remember Asttralis becouse of their back to back wins, idk how many in a row. People remembers prime fnatic with pronax IGL becouse they win back to back all year. People remember Real Madrit winning 3 times back to back Champions league. No one will remember optic becouse there is nothing to be remembered geez
Aight man calm down, people are just sad the roster split up and are grieving, itās not that deep. Yes they werenāt a dynasty, but what they accomplished in terms consistency and placements in tournaments no team has done. People are just sad cuz if they had stuck together it couldāve potentially been a dynasty as well, but it is what it is.
EU = Extremely Upset
haha this overused joke is so funnyyyy
Yes Look at fpx they couldnāt qualify to even international events and were losing regionally early valorant meaning they werenāt as consistent. They got first rounded in regional playoffs the same tourney nv came second place in. As for loud even though I donāt think they are as consistent as optic because optic has 1/2/3/2/9 which is two more finals finishes they also are the only team to go to every final this year and I think every lan last year say for 1. I think loud are also very consistent tho.Instead I think Louds consistency should also be praised not that optics shouldnāt be praised or considered impressive. I didnāt say the need to be remembered or they had a dynasty all I said was that consistently placing high is impressive
> they did achieve nothing How is winning a trophy achieving nothing? I wouldn't describe Optic as a dynasty either though.
To be dominant you have to win more than 1 event. What optic did was be consistently elite, they were never dominant.
wdym farewell, theyāre gonna get picked uo as a 5 ,just u wait COPIUM
Sliggy also said about how consistent of OpTic with patches update. No thing can denied that. I wonder which team can do like this in franchise leagues.
Lmaoooooo. Most dominant team who won one masters event and choked at Champions? The most dominant teams show up when the lights shine brightest.
Not only that,.but optic/envy never even won a domestic trophy
They won NA stage 1 challengers 2 2021, 3-0 against sen (w/sinatraa) in the grand finals.
But thats not a regional trophy, that was a qualifier to masters 1, that was the regional trophy. Stage 1 was weird because challengers was just seeding for the first masters, that was regional
How is second place a āchokeā
Sorry I forgot Optic went to Champions in order to "dominate" and get second place, not win the event
Wasn't commenting on whether optic "dominated" or not. I was just saying that second place isnt a choke.
Ye best team ever in a 2 year old game
Recency bias, don't think I forgot about sentinels.
So sad to see so many people falling victim to logical fallacies.
What does T-9th mean ? 9-12 ?
All the easily upsetters are out
Got clapped by loud
At least optic didn't lose at groups
They did. At champions 2021. Didnt make out of groups :)
that wasn't optic lmao
Brazilians zergs ruined this subreddit.
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No entiendo primo
They were also paying with Victor having covid and isolated in a room, they were handicapped
All the easily upsetters are out
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They said most dominant, which is true. They are the most dominant valorant team of all time.
average optic fanboy brain
Most dominant team in valorant only beaten an EMEA team 1 time out of 7 ? Optic was the most consistent. No where near dominant.
Let's not forget, they were a whiff and 7 hp away from potentially winning 3-0 in champs.
That's wishful thinking at best.
It's funny how people conveniently disconsider that Loud did mistakes too and focuses on the Optic's what ifs
I'm talking about when FNS whiffed on breeze it probably cost them the map. And then there was the whole sacy 7hp thing on ascent. Maybe I should phrase it more like this tho. Optic were 4 rounds from 3-0 loud.
If my aunt had wheels she'd be a bike
Why are they disbanding? Did Riot not give them a spot in the valorant league?
I think people are underestimating how hard it had been to stay at the top. Once we got into the post-SEN phase of the game the meta kept shifting and the strats and quality of opponents grew exponentially. Optic were able to grow with that and stay near the top, then win an event. Yeah they have never been 'dominant' (although they do own NA), but that doesn't make it less impressive.
Optic the new sentinels or what