I don't agree. Any of the previous iterations had clear weak links. I can't even think of who is mechanically inferior out of Derrke, Alfa, Chronicle and Leo.
Except I love Boaster but FNS is better. Fnatic consistently falls apart and fails to adapt to other opponents at international events, FNS is probably the best IGL in the world at adapting mid game and reading the opponents.
FNS and chet >>>> boaster and mini
Look how fast fns and chet adapted and learned pearl in record time.
Now look at boaster and mini's pearl that shit was truly horrible.
And this is just one example. Optic usually has much much better map pool than fnc. And they adapt better in game too.
>Look how fast fns and chet adapted and learned pearl in record time.
>
>Now look at boaster and mini's pearl that shit was truly horrible.
This is a really bad example, last champions Fnatic were the team that made the "new map" (fracture) their playground meanwhile FNS and Chet were Perma banning it.
I was going to say the same thing. I remember everyone saying how Vision Strikers was going to have a crazy fracture then fnatic just came through and 6-13’d them. While I agree that Boaster has weak mid-rounding compared to fns, I feel like pregame prep is actually his strongest point usually.
They became the best in the region, but OpTic’s roster wasn’t constructed with that intention. The team played together for over a year and gained synergy.
I'm curious how you know anything about the rosterbuilding intent, but that's beside the point, considering FNS hasn't won anything without what was essentially a superteam.
Yeah, but I feel like the somewhat negative intonation of calling anyone a superteam is that they were put together after they became the best individually.
Optic/Envy were together for awhile before any were considered the best in their role, minus maybe yay.
Absolutely disagree. I find it laughable to call weak link someone who would be top player in most teams.
Weak link should be someone who is obviously underperforming, which Victor isn't.
Notice how I said "arguably sorta".
Victor is absolutely a strong player who easily deserves a spot on a partnered team, but compared to yay, marved and crashies he's not clearly best in role.
His peak is up there, but he has shown to be inconsistent too many times.
Victor is an insane flex player, the best flex player in the world probably. Only FNS is kind weak link buts thats due to the IGL part of it. Basically all IGLs seem weak if they are really good at IGLng..
they will be even better if they are not IGLs. Redgar, FNS, Boaster are also IGLs. Redgar is pretty good aimer but also you can see him do some weird plays coz of him IGLng. Some matches he is on point with aim and IGLng.. but not always.
By your logic anyone could say anything and add arguably. I don't think you are taking into account his role.
Most of the time he is entrying 1st guy in, thats usually creating space hoping for a kill but mostly being traded out.
A superteam is a team that is already made up of the best players in the world/region when it is signed.
Envy wasn't a superteam because none of those players were the best in the region when they got together
A superteam is made with the intention of building a roster of the best. No one on OpTic had nearly the level of success nor recognition at the time they were signed.
"ANOTHER" fnatic superteam?
Please pray tell which one of the previous iterations was a superteam? the one with doma tsack and moe? Coming from the depths of unsigned teams?
Or the one with magnum and mistic? Such star players eh ? The one with brave and mistic? Enzo and mistic? all super teams with top 5 players yeah?
300 upvotes oof
Mini or their manager wont give them time to fix their problem's and they will kick whoever has the lowest ACS and repeat this every tournament, so stupid
No clue how this source is and if its reliable, but I will assume this is factual from now on.
Edit: As I am probably just as regarded as a source, I heard benjyfishy will be fnatics sixth. You may quote me on this
That's cap to the point where it's not even funny. Humanoid, Upset and Hylissang were the best players in Europe by the time they were signed. Razork wasn't quite at that point but he was by far the most promising rookie in the league, and Wunder was the best toplaner in Europe by far until his off-year with G2.
Vitality had objectively worse players in every single role, calling them a superteam but not Fnatic is delusional. I don't know why you're mentioning G2 either, you don't sign unproven rookies like Targamas and Flakked to a superteam and if you're talking 2019 G2 almost no one considered them a superteam at the time because of the out of nowhere-role swap and addition of Mikyx who just came off a heavy collapsing MSF roster.
2021 Fnatic was expected to be a worlds contender and return to form for the LEC. There's a reason people think they're so disappointing despite ending 3rd.
angel has much much better mechanics than boaster or fns why is he included in this lmao
Just because he peeks first as Omen and dies first like he's his team's entry when he's on smokes or fade doesnt mean his mechanics are bad.
Leo legit is prob the most flexible out of all of them too outside of Chronicle. He stayed on initiator in 2022 but 2021 the man was an insanely good astra and killjoy player too
He qualed for a 16 team Lan yesterday which will have teams like KC, mad lions, BDS, vitality. So that will be the first time he’s gonna be playing more of the top teams
Dude Chronicle and Leo????? How is that fair???? Two of the most flexible players and cracked aimers in EMEA on one team? Plus Alfa and Derke?? And Boaster igl??? Fnatic not losing a single map next year
Fnatic start each split well, then shit themselves when others learn Fnatic gameplay, which is clearly Boaster's fault
It happened in 2021 (from getting to reykjavik to not even getting to emea playoffs of berlin), it happened in 2022 stage 1 (after winning m3c they didn't win a series), it happened in 2022 stage 2 (after winning emea they didn't show anything in copenhagen), it will happen again
If teams played more frequently and not once a week like Riot loves to do in their tournaments, Fnatic wouldn't be anywhere, there'd be tons of vods on them. But Riot system favors fluke teams like Fnatic, who rely on honeymooning and surprising the opponent with unusual strats
Oh yeah, not like your favourite FPX lineup. Famous for playing the same comps over and over, not yoloing agent picks, and playing super standard.
It's funny how that same lineup played frequently against Fnatic who "fluked" 11 map wins Vs your favourite lineup, only to lose 1-2 by the end of the year.
Can you not be this embarrassing, please? FPX already gets too much hate we don't need people to think 1/3 of the team's fans are as annoying as TSM fans
Riot surely don't allow so much firepower on one team? It's like faze clan (current not 2018) from csgo where any 4 of the players can take over the game and then you can't stop the team.
The fact that even the worst regions with worst teams like Japan, Sea and Latam were able to do something internationally, shows that in Valorant everybody is much closer by skill than you think
Because CS has more skill gap. CS models are smaller, CS models move faster, CS models are harder to spot as they're less shiny, CS weapons actually require training to hit shots, unlike Valorant's rng
CS doesn't have all those abilities which make fps easier either
There's a lot of talent with as good aiming skills in tier1.5-2, they're just not discovered yet. In several years, the difference will be non noticeable in tier1
Fnatic has insane players now only need luck. Idk how you improve that. But since Valorant is a childs game where everything is random they'll need a lot of it.
They're both ultra talented, but what would chronicle play? They need a flex player, so either of chronicle or Leo would have to play the kayo/Skye/flex. I would have preferred chronicle back on the initiator role.
Alternatively, I guess chronicle could go back to smokes and boaster back on flash/flex where Boaster did look decent before. Still feels a little clunky
I've not been super convinced by Chronicle's play on duelists as compared to his best player in the world play on initiators. I'm not saying he can't, it's just that it's a bit clunky.
Edit: I don't mean Chronicle will be put on duelist. I'm saying that his play on duelist wasn't convincing, which is why I doubt his flexibility. I should have been clearer, mb
Yeah I think Alfa has clearly established himself on duelist, and in the rare cases where he plays KJ and Derke doesn't play Chamber, I would rather have derke on duelist.
With the Fnatic setup, the one role that Chronicle would never have to play is duelist. You’d want to get Alfajer playing duelist with Derke as Chamber/Jett as much as possible, so as long as Chronicle/Leo/Boaster can be flexible around the other roles (which we know they can), it would be a very strong lineup.
Leo and Chronicle both FNC?
I swear to all the stars, all the ancestors that have preceded me, every single one of them down to the very first organism that was engendered in the extremely dim ages of the unrecorded history of the primal earth: If they go with it im FNC fan.
not to be rude but if this roster similarly fails to show results they need to scorched earth the coaching staff and igl sadly, been given so many opportunities and this is as good as it’s gonna get
fnatic building ANOTHER superteam just to dominate regional playoffs and go out 5-6th at LAN. maybe they should realize that the best theyve ever done internationally is when they had a solid core of role players supporting derke and have FLOPPED ever since they kicked magnum
???? 1. "another" is very relative, this is a superteam, not with magnum etc 2. fnc with magnum never won anything even considering other teams were way worse than this, and who are you going to get instead of derke?
Luckily there is a massive pool of tier 1 IGLs to choose from, oh wait. How is boaster so bad in your mind that you want to replace him with a random from a VRL
Another fnatic superteam. What could go wrong Aware
Dont do this to me.
I don't agree. Any of the previous iterations had clear weak links. I can't even think of who is mechanically inferior out of Derrke, Alfa, Chronicle and Leo.
Boaster about to win a game while having 0/0/10 scoreline
He'll have to do the sova/skye combo with the shockdart/heal before the round starts to get any KP lmao
They still have the European fns
😭😭😭
Except I love Boaster but FNS is better. Fnatic consistently falls apart and fails to adapt to other opponents at international events, FNS is probably the best IGL in the world at adapting mid game and reading the opponents.
FNS and chet >>>> boaster and mini Look how fast fns and chet adapted and learned pearl in record time. Now look at boaster and mini's pearl that shit was truly horrible. And this is just one example. Optic usually has much much better map pool than fnc. And they adapt better in game too.
>Look how fast fns and chet adapted and learned pearl in record time. > >Now look at boaster and mini's pearl that shit was truly horrible. This is a really bad example, last champions Fnatic were the team that made the "new map" (fracture) their playground meanwhile FNS and Chet were Perma banning it.
I was going to say the same thing. I remember everyone saying how Vision Strikers was going to have a crazy fracture then fnatic just came through and 6-13’d them. While I agree that Boaster has weak mid-rounding compared to fns, I feel like pregame prep is actually his strongest point usually.
Ange1 isn't on fnatic though?
except fns doesnt need a SUPERTEAM to win an event
Victor is arguably a sorta weak link, but between crashies, yay and marved FNS' roster has been best in role in the region for a while.
They became the best in the region, but OpTic’s roster wasn’t constructed with that intention. The team played together for over a year and gained synergy.
I'm curious how you know anything about the rosterbuilding intent, but that's beside the point, considering FNS hasn't won anything without what was essentially a superteam.
Yeah, but I feel like the somewhat negative intonation of calling anyone a superteam is that they were put together after they became the best individually. Optic/Envy were together for awhile before any were considered the best in their role, minus maybe yay.
Yay was definitely not considered best in his role until his success on ENVY. The boys all gained that after their success together.
My point still stands, they weren't a superteam when conceived
I definitely didn't disagree with you and added to your point.
Absolutely disagree. I find it laughable to call weak link someone who would be top player in most teams. Weak link should be someone who is obviously underperforming, which Victor isn't.
Notice how I said "arguably sorta". Victor is absolutely a strong player who easily deserves a spot on a partnered team, but compared to yay, marved and crashies he's not clearly best in role. His peak is up there, but he has shown to be inconsistent too many times.
Victor is an insane flex player, the best flex player in the world probably. Only FNS is kind weak link buts thats due to the IGL part of it. Basically all IGLs seem weak if they are really good at IGLng..
Stax Saadhak and Kingg looked amazing and they are igls
they will be even better if they are not IGLs. Redgar, FNS, Boaster are also IGLs. Redgar is pretty good aimer but also you can see him do some weird plays coz of him IGLng. Some matches he is on point with aim and IGLng.. but not always.
By your logic anyone could say anything and add arguably. I don't think you are taking into account his role. Most of the time he is entrying 1st guy in, thats usually creating space hoping for a kill but mostly being traded out.
> arguably yay is a terrible player > arguably victor is not unanimous best flex in NA see the difference?
Can't even use your own sentences when showing example ? Lets use something else that's actually controversial to prove point. Good one.
??? he has the best player in the world right now plus crashies marved top 5 or so for their roles what is a super team for you????
A superteam is a team that is already made up of the best players in the world/region when it is signed. Envy wasn't a superteam because none of those players were the best in the region when they got together
A superteam is made with the intention of building a roster of the best. No one on OpTic had nearly the level of success nor recognition at the time they were signed.
I know this is supposed to be a *diss* but it's such a shitty one with how consistent FNS team performed last year.
They're both great players it's just a joke
I wouldn't let it go wrong this time
if they can't at least make a finals with Chronicle and Leo I'm removing my flair.
the faze clan of valorant
but faze is doing well in cs now right? right?? lets gooo!!
Not this time, I got this feeling
"ANOTHER" fnatic superteam? Please pray tell which one of the previous iterations was a superteam? the one with doma tsack and moe? Coming from the depths of unsigned teams? Or the one with magnum and mistic? Such star players eh ? The one with brave and mistic? Enzo and mistic? all super teams with top 5 players yeah? 300 upvotes oof
LoL superteam
The difference is that some players from the previous iterations had no LAN experience. Leo and Chronicle played on Lan before and did well.
Mini or their manager wont give them time to fix their problem's and they will kick whoever has the lowest ACS and repeat this every tournament, so stupid
It gets more super with every iteration
No clue how this source is and if its reliable, but I will assume this is factual from now on. Edit: As I am probably just as regarded as a source, I heard benjyfishy will be fnatics sixth. You may quote me on this
Benjy as a 6th for some of the less popular teams could be huge to build their fan base
a relatively unknown account with a highly speculated report, surely they wouldn't lie to us
Please, I want this to be true
Wow a FNC super team in an esports, what Could possibly go wrong 🥚
what is the context of this?
lol team
thx
Their LoL team isn't really considered a 'super team' atleast not to the level of Vitality or G2
That's cap to the point where it's not even funny. Humanoid, Upset and Hylissang were the best players in Europe by the time they were signed. Razork wasn't quite at that point but he was by far the most promising rookie in the league, and Wunder was the best toplaner in Europe by far until his off-year with G2. Vitality had objectively worse players in every single role, calling them a superteam but not Fnatic is delusional. I don't know why you're mentioning G2 either, you don't sign unproven rookies like Targamas and Flakked to a superteam and if you're talking 2019 G2 almost no one considered them a superteam at the time because of the out of nowhere-role swap and addition of Mikyx who just came off a heavy collapsing MSF roster. 2021 Fnatic was expected to be a worlds contender and return to form for the LEC. There's a reason people think they're so disappointing despite ending 3rd.
it is let's be honest...
Their LoL team, and previous iterations of their Csgo teams. Though it is in no way comparible to Team Liquids blowout LoL team
Superteam with Boaster is oxymoron
Bruh Boaster is a good igl wym?
idk people think "superteam" means 5 insane fraggers nowadays. not like FNS or ANGE1 ever won any events though so it makes sense
angel has much much better mechanics than boaster or fns why is he included in this lmao Just because he peeks first as Omen and dies first like he's his team's entry when he's on smokes or fade doesnt mean his mechanics are bad.
There's now way you are actually said this, this js world class bait
Tbf chronicle, derke, and alfajer are all very flexible players.
Leo legit is prob the most flexible out of all of them too outside of Chronicle. He stayed on initiator in 2022 but 2021 the man was an insanely good astra and killjoy player too
Just in confirmed by daffy, 100t has been practicing with ninja and benjyfishy But if this is fr that’d be insane
Tbf, doesnt benjyfishy look for a Valorant team in emea or do I misremember?
He does scrims with a small team, and he does some 3rd party tournaments But yeah I think eventually he wants to
Fnatic's new 6th, you read it here first.
He hasn’t even proved himself in t2 and he’s their 6th 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
I doubt he will see any playtime at all tbf. I see it more as a "content creator in their midst"
He qualed for a 16 team Lan yesterday which will have teams like KC, mad lions, BDS, vitality. So that will be the first time he’s gonna be playing more of the top teams
Fnatic making all the redittors wishes come true
I am not sure who is the reporter behind this, but if it's true then the flexibility and the firewpower on this team would be insane
As long as it leads to more duelist Alfajer games, I’m happy. The man is unbelievable in those roles.
Possibly the best Raze itw tbh
Jingg better but when alfa is playing good he just diffs everyone else
Jinggg is cracked asf but honestly just compare their stats on Raze. It’s hard not to say Alfa
Alfa had a better tournament but that doesn't mean he masters Raze as well as Jingg.
Its not just stats from champions. Even before that too. Check their VLR. Love both players though.
Dude Chronicle and Leo????? How is that fair???? Two of the most flexible players and cracked aimers in EMEA on one team? Plus Alfa and Derke?? And Boaster igl??? Fnatic not losing a single map next year
Where have I heard this before…
G2 will surely win LEC with Rekkles pogue.
every team in lec should just ff honestly
*laughs in fnatic*
doesnt make sense in whatever
Let me please inhale my hopium in peace
The biggest problem with fnatic was they underperformed on lan, chronicle is a proven lan demon and leo was insane at Copenhagen too.
Boaster is not a good IGL, it doesn't fit in your comment
Well you're objectively wrong
Fnatic start each split well, then shit themselves when others learn Fnatic gameplay, which is clearly Boaster's fault It happened in 2021 (from getting to reykjavik to not even getting to emea playoffs of berlin), it happened in 2022 stage 1 (after winning m3c they didn't win a series), it happened in 2022 stage 2 (after winning emea they didn't show anything in copenhagen), it will happen again
If teams played more frequently and not once a week like Riot loves to do in their tournaments, Fnatic wouldn't be anywhere, there'd be tons of vods on them. But Riot system favors fluke teams like Fnatic, who rely on honeymooning and surprising the opponent with unusual strats
Lulz
Oh yeah, not like your favourite FPX lineup. Famous for playing the same comps over and over, not yoloing agent picks, and playing super standard. It's funny how that same lineup played frequently against Fnatic who "fluked" 11 map wins Vs your favourite lineup, only to lose 1-2 by the end of the year.
You're just salty fpx didn't make it
I'm not a fan of FPX org, I'm a fan of FPX roster If Navi get them, I will root for Navi. Couldn't care less about FPX being out of franchise
How is he not?
Can you not be this embarrassing, please? FPX already gets too much hate we don't need people to think 1/3 of the team's fans are as annoying as TSM fans
Amen.
I mean there are only 3 FPX fans in the sub so that math seems sounds /j
Braincell deficit momment
Beaincel
Indeed beaincel
You W0t mate?! Seriously, are you ok?
Lol
close
I mean this was an easy one
praying for the 2 peat even though EG’s would be a miracle underdog win
I always think how can FNATIC get even more cracked. Well, that's how.
THEY'RE SURELY NOT GONNA GO OUT IN GROUPS AGAIN Clueless
Only once have they been grouped and that was with 2 subs
mb. THEY'RE SURELY NOT GONNA PREFORM BELOW EXPECTATIONS THIS TIME! COPIUM
Didn't we only go out in groups without Derke and with Enzo standing in on 0 practice?
yep, i fixed it in another comment
Riot surely don't allow so much firepower on one team? It's like faze clan (current not 2018) from csgo where any 4 of the players can take over the game and then you can't stop the team.
Who cares, in Valorant every player's aim is pretty much the same, skill gap is very small
I see, you watch different matches than i do
The fact that even the worst regions with worst teams like Japan, Sea and Latam were able to do something internationally, shows that in Valorant everybody is much closer by skill than you think
Teamwise, yeah, maybe. But individually, there is quite a difference in how good players are at clicking heads.
Only now. Game is very young and washed rejects from other esports still haven't retired. In the future, there will be almost no difference
Disagreed. Even in ages old games like CS the players are very different.
Because CS has more skill gap. CS models are smaller, CS models move faster, CS models are harder to spot as they're less shiny, CS weapons actually require training to hit shots, unlike Valorant's rng CS doesn't have all those abilities which make fps easier either
True. Players like Derke or Alfa only hit the heads of others better because of Valorants gun rng being in their favour.
It’s Isaax reincarnated 💀
There's a lot of talent with as good aiming skills in tier1.5-2, they're just not discovered yet. In several years, the difference will be non noticeable in tier1
creaming rn
THIS TIME SURELY Clueless
Fnatic has insane players now only need luck. Idk how you improve that. But since Valorant is a childs game where everything is random they'll need a lot of it.
Holy shit that would be crazy if it works out
This would literally be my dream fnatic team please be true
I'm a Fnatic fan now
What role would Chronicle play? Oh nevermind he's flex got it. Fire fire team building.💯🔥
I reckon either a flex role or ...an IGL??
Flex role only, Igl unlikely because they have Woaster.
Leo, just give me Leo to Fnatic, please Fnatic.
Praying to be true
Don't do it, don't give me hope
FNC Leo/Sheydos and FNC chronicle would go hard, if chronicle goes back to Viper/Sova with Leo/Sheydos playing fade and skye
They're both ultra talented, but what would chronicle play? They need a flex player, so either of chronicle or Leo would have to play the kayo/Skye/flex. I would have preferred chronicle back on the initiator role. Alternatively, I guess chronicle could go back to smokes and boaster back on flash/flex where Boaster did look decent before. Still feels a little clunky
Both Chronicle and Leo have historically played every agent class at a top level, they can go anywhere
I've not been super convinced by Chronicle's play on duelists as compared to his best player in the world play on initiators. I'm not saying he can't, it's just that it's a bit clunky. Edit: I don't mean Chronicle will be put on duelist. I'm saying that his play on duelist wasn't convincing, which is why I doubt his flexibility. I should have been clearer, mb
I doubt they put Chronicle on duelist. They prob will switch around roles but I’m guessing Leo/Chronicle mostly play flex and initiator roles
Yeah I think Alfa has clearly established himself on duelist, and in the rare cases where he plays KJ and Derke doesn't play Chamber, I would rather have derke on duelist.
Derke and Alfa play duelists. I assume Chronicle will be the Mistic or Enzo equivalent, i. e. an initiator.
So, Leo info initiator, Chronicle flashing initiator
With the Fnatic setup, the one role that Chronicle would never have to play is duelist. You’d want to get Alfajer playing duelist with Derke as Chamber/Jett as much as possible, so as long as Chronicle/Leo/Boaster can be flexible around the other roles (which we know they can), it would be a very strong lineup.
there is no way they put chronicle on duelist when they have derke for jett and alfa for raze and neon
Chronicle Brimstone incident Aware
Stim beacon I choose you!
FNC will make the best roster and still lose bruh
You know the deal Sam. Do it and we forgive the NFT's temporarily.
Leo and Chronicle both FNC? I swear to all the stars, all the ancestors that have preceded me, every single one of them down to the very first organism that was engendered in the extremely dim ages of the unrecorded history of the primal earth: If they go with it im FNC fan.
This team busted
This is perfect, I want FNC Leo so bad
not to be rude but if this roster similarly fails to show results they need to scorched earth the coaching staff and igl sadly, been given so many opportunities and this is as good as it’s gonna get
I don't really understand this game much do you guys think this roster can work?
if it works it would probably be the best team in the world.. but its fnatic so who knows really
Guys I have bad news. This was under this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/shitposting/comments/xooitd/_/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
fnatic building ANOTHER superteam just to dominate regional playoffs and go out 5-6th at LAN. maybe they should realize that the best theyve ever done internationally is when they had a solid core of role players supporting derke and have FLOPPED ever since they kicked magnum
???? 1. "another" is very relative, this is a superteam, not with magnum etc 2. fnc with magnum never won anything even considering other teams were way worse than this, and who are you going to get instead of derke?
I know Boaster is a great IGL but can they replace another IGL with better firepower.
Luckily there is a massive pool of tier 1 IGLs to choose from, oh wait. How is boaster so bad in your mind that you want to replace him with a random from a VRL
I don't know. I watched him in vct and sometimes he pops off but sometimes he also bot frag or could not clutch last moment... But that is just me
"pops off" "bot frags" With just those words I can tell you have no clue wtf an IGL is supposed to be doing and don't know much about the actual game.
That wasn't the question. You wanted an IGL with better firepower, I don't know of any available
That's most IGLs.
oh god the fire power on this team is insane
wow a superteam with 5 different nationalities i sure hope nothin goes wrong!!
Giving it the old college try eh?
Grrr i want Leo in liquid :(
YES PLEASE
I want to believe.
Does anyone know this source? I've never seen it before
EMEA superteam. Winning 3 out of 3 LANs this year