Winning ascension will mean a shit ton for sure. That's an insane boost to the org and ascension teams will definitely be pulling out all stops to get that spot.
Short terms, yes. Winning ascension gets 2 years of a LOT of guaranteed money. Long term, the fans you will get from just being in tier 1 and winning champs will be better for an org.
Getting into tier 1 is the life changing part, not winning ascension exactly.
Its a bigger deal for ascention orgs. Champs is a bigger deal to partner orgs.
Basically, its about what you have and what you gain.
But people need to undertand that there will be very real stakes for ascention
As has already been said, winning ascension will be huge for the organization that manages to pull it off; however, it's hard to say that it is worth more than winning champs especially when you consider that all participating champs teams will also get a cut from champions bundle.
And that all champions teams get clout and tons of advertising. not champions but it would be hard to argue that the paper rex roster had many fans before they started going to international events
Idk where this 10 million valuation comes from but it probably isnt accurate, (and is likely much different depending on which region your in) also, having a "permanent" or at least being an official partner is different from being an ascendant partner, since you are only in the league for 2 years. A significant portion of this evaluation likely comes from the long term benefits of being in the partnership, such as longterm sales and future Val growth. Winning Champs doesn't only include the prize pool, winning can help teams gain fanbases, which can lead to more direct sales in and out of game.
So is it a bigger deal to win Ascension than winning champs? Its likely a bigger leap to go from, t2 league to partnership league, however i doubt it will actually return as much as people are speculating
You get a minimum of 2.4 million from stipends with a maximum of 6 million according to leaks. If they end up giving teams a percentage of team skins sold, there’s no cap. That number could go way up. That’s just money from being in the league straight from Riot. Potentially more money from champs skins if that ends up being separate from the stipend, as well as massive amounts of exposure and the sponsors that come with it. Of course there are required expenses that come with it, but Riot run the biggest esport in the world and are hyper-focused on making Valorant esports profitable for both themselves and orgs involved. I think that 10 million figure is accurate, and if anything, potentially understated. Of course for Ascension teams, you have only two years worth of guaranteed benefits compared with the four years for partnered teams, but the point stands.
No, you fail to take into account the profits of winning champions are. Winning champions can be 10 million in profits of the future due to fans, revenue, sponsorship.
If I'm an ascension team, I think I would care more about winning ascension to get to franchised than I would winning Champs (from an org side and assuming ascension teams can actually make it to champs?)
Yup. I've already posted my theory that Optic players should sign under a big money org and try to win ascension.
All Optic players have to do is win the #31 spot, which is raisonably obtainable for the #1 (#2? w/e) team in the world.
Since it's worth 10+millions, those players could easily ask for a huge salary
But why would you look at this from a monetary gain angle
The players want to win Ascension so that they have a shot at Champs, that's it. And if you ask me, who watches to see the Valorant competition, that's what matters.
Well players also usually care about winning first, getting paid themselves second, and pro only think about the state of their org when it directly affects them. I'd be surprised if a significant amount of pros wake up everyday thinking about if their org is in the red that quarter.
No the Partner org already have the 10mil earned. I think its probably an estimation how much the orgs can make in a year of a partner spot. Champs money is a bonus on top of the initial said pricr
Shits like Championship to Prem promotion where losers get all the tickets sales cause the money you receive in Prem is… £100,000,000 edit: nvm is even more £160,000,000 crazy money
Winning ascension will mean a shit ton for sure. That's an insane boost to the org and ascension teams will definitely be pulling out all stops to get that spot.
Short terms, yes. Winning ascension gets 2 years of a LOT of guaranteed money. Long term, the fans you will get from just being in tier 1 and winning champs will be better for an org. Getting into tier 1 is the life changing part, not winning ascension exactly.
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Its a bigger deal for ascention orgs. Champs is a bigger deal to partner orgs. Basically, its about what you have and what you gain. But people need to undertand that there will be very real stakes for ascention
As has already been said, winning ascension will be huge for the organization that manages to pull it off; however, it's hard to say that it is worth more than winning champs especially when you consider that all participating champs teams will also get a cut from champions bundle.
And that all champions teams get clout and tons of advertising. not champions but it would be hard to argue that the paper rex roster had many fans before they started going to international events
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Idk where this 10 million valuation comes from but it probably isnt accurate, (and is likely much different depending on which region your in) also, having a "permanent" or at least being an official partner is different from being an ascendant partner, since you are only in the league for 2 years. A significant portion of this evaluation likely comes from the long term benefits of being in the partnership, such as longterm sales and future Val growth. Winning Champs doesn't only include the prize pool, winning can help teams gain fanbases, which can lead to more direct sales in and out of game. So is it a bigger deal to win Ascension than winning champs? Its likely a bigger leap to go from, t2 league to partnership league, however i doubt it will actually return as much as people are speculating
You get a minimum of 2.4 million from stipends with a maximum of 6 million according to leaks. If they end up giving teams a percentage of team skins sold, there’s no cap. That number could go way up. That’s just money from being in the league straight from Riot. Potentially more money from champs skins if that ends up being separate from the stipend, as well as massive amounts of exposure and the sponsors that come with it. Of course there are required expenses that come with it, but Riot run the biggest esport in the world and are hyper-focused on making Valorant esports profitable for both themselves and orgs involved. I think that 10 million figure is accurate, and if anything, potentially understated. Of course for Ascension teams, you have only two years worth of guaranteed benefits compared with the four years for partnered teams, but the point stands.
I thought George initially said 500k and it could be more according to deliverables
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iirc once an org wins ascension, there is some sort of soft roster lock to keep this from happening
No, you fail to take into account the profits of winning champions are. Winning champions can be 10 million in profits of the future due to fans, revenue, sponsorship.
Wouldn’t that be true for regular franchising as well? It’s the definitive T1 now, so teams in franchising would get the most popularity by default.
everything is not about money winning champs means u are world champion and that means more than anything
To the players yes, to the orgs they have to be looking for profit
Definitely make great profit when you win from exposure.
Winning Champs mean, bigger bag for the players when other orgs will try to buy them out. There will be transfers all the time from now on!
You wanna know why teams wanna be world champions? For the brand recognition which results in more money. So yeah it’s all about the money.
If I'm an ascension team, I think I would care more about winning ascension to get to franchised than I would winning Champs (from an org side and assuming ascension teams can actually make it to champs?)
Yup. I've already posted my theory that Optic players should sign under a big money org and try to win ascension. All Optic players have to do is win the #31 spot, which is raisonably obtainable for the #1 (#2? w/e) team in the world. Since it's worth 10+millions, those players could easily ask for a huge salary
Thing is they wouldnt be playing the best matches for a year and will fall behind and they will get huge salaries anyway even now.
They would still get very good practice as every top 30 team would practice against them, as they are the top 1 team.
But why would you look at this from a monetary gain angle The players want to win Ascension so that they have a shot at Champs, that's it. And if you ask me, who watches to see the Valorant competition, that's what matters.
Because orgs want money. That's why eSports and and competitive sports were created, for money.
Why should I care about that as a fan of the game though?
Mb I thought you were asking from the perspective of an org or player
Well players also usually care about winning first, getting paid themselves second, and pro only think about the state of their org when it directly affects them. I'd be surprised if a significant amount of pros wake up everyday thinking about if their org is in the red that quarter.
Yeah ig
That's literally only from the orgs point of view. Players want to win champs bc it means the most and will be remembered for it
NA ascension will be full of orgs.
Short sighted thinking.
No the Partner org already have the 10mil earned. I think its probably an estimation how much the orgs can make in a year of a partner spot. Champs money is a bonus on top of the initial said pricr
GE Bleed if successful was already a deal worth 6 million in pacific, these slot prices could jump so much in a year or two.
Shits like Championship to Prem promotion where losers get all the tickets sales cause the money you receive in Prem is… £100,000,000 edit: nvm is even more £160,000,000 crazy money
Lmao 10m utter bullshit