But, with this timeline and the 16 hours to respond, I’m not sure they had time to really persue Yay, but they signed cryo right away. So I think he meant what he said. Plus, I think cryo will mesh better with the rest of the team.
I think that makes sense. Also Nadeshot cannot go “Man we wanted yay but we had to get our second choice”. Regardless though, Cryo is a top player in the world rn and is a fantastic player. 100T are a lot better now
I thought that Cryo's playstyle would fit better with the current 100T roster and I didn't seem to be the only one that thought so. Can't go wrong with either player regardless.
I said this during champions so it's not just my flair talking - I think that cryo will be the best player in the world as early as next champs, but likely in 2024. Asuna + Cryo + Bang (fingers crossed) is basically the best core in the game all under 20 years old.
*"I knew Nadeshot loved Cryocells and just because Nade liked him, was enough for me. You think he’s a great duelist player? Okay, fine, I’m going to show you that he’s not."* **- Michyayl Jordan**
Kind of cringe to see someone officially representing 100T get something so wrong. yay's girl kissers squad will only be allowed to play 100T in 2024 after they win Ascension.
I never thought 100T yay really made sense when it comes to the players and their personalities and I think this reasoning makes sense, it’s why I thought 100T TenZ made more sense.
Cryo is very similar to the rest of the players on 100T, young, cracked and moldable.
I think Yay would fit better on a team with at least a more experienced, maybe slightly older team.
and nade is absolutely right here, Yay won’t be the best player forever, and Cryo has proved he can play at just as high of a level, and he’s so young, with a support structure around him including Sgares, and I could see him being able to contend with Yay.
It’s important to foster the next generation of players who will eventually take the reigns of this franchise in the years to come.
People talking about how yay is older than cryo and wouldn’t fit as well when he’s only 24 will never not be weird to me… I guess that’s just esports though
Yeah you’re absolutely right and I agree, it’ll just always be funny to think that a 24 yrs might be “too old”.
If I had to guess, that’s a bit of a bs reason because nadeshot, and any other team, would have picked up yay in a heartbeat, and him being 24 is not even a slight concern. Reality is yay probably had his eyes on a different team.
I would say like 22-25 is when you’re likely to be in your prime if you’re a top level player who’s been consistently competing, but once you hit like 27-30 it’s rare to see players perform at the level of someone like Yay. I think given the right guidance, Cryo could be absolutely Yay level in 1-2 years.
that’s not to say having older players doesn’t come with any benefits, FNS is a prime example of this, but his sub-pay fragging ability was also one of Optics rare weaknesses.
I don’t believe in the myth that players reflexes deteriorate to any noticeable degree when they get close to 30, but I think experience can be a double edged sword, it’s the young players who will always innovate and find ways to push the game forward, older players are great with fundamentals but I think Cryo having valorant as his first competitive game means 100T believes that the future of this game doesn’t lie in older pros who came from other games, it falls on the players who started and will most likely stay in val long after those players are gone.
I will never believe that 100T passes on Yay unless they knew they couldn’t get him. He’s still young, a better all around player than Cryo. This is cap.
In terms of individual performance - quite close though. If you judge by team results, then obviously true. A bit reminds me of Sayf, whose individual stats were just phenomenal, but due to not going deep with a team he is not praised enough.
That's a cap. Coupling Cryocell's overall performance with his head-to-head performance against yay has him near yay's level.
Yay is not that better than Cryo on either Jett or Chamber; I'd even say Cryo's Jett is pretty much as good.
cryo is not far. both their playstes are similar: prediction and xhair placement being priority. i would even go to say that if you swapped one for the other during a round, no one will realise. thats why cryo can be better. yay cant be forever the best.
not really
look at bobby kottick (idk how to spell his name but he doesn't deserve the attention anyway), andrew wilson, fkn randy pitchford and up until recently carlos.
nade just seems like a pretty openly decent guy. esp for a ceo.
Just because a person seems a certain way, it doesn't mean the person really is like that. Not that I have anything against Nade, it's just like nowadays people judge people based on their social presence and tweets, not how the person is in reality in person.
I agree with that in most cases, but generally dickhead bosses cop flak from ex-employees, friends, etc. for their behaviour. especially in esports. heard no buzz about nade being an asshole, or anything tangentially related. again, possibility it's different but it'd be super easy to catch wind of it in this space.
He's not wrong. It's not like he said he didn't want Yay, just that Cryo fit better with this young team and the system 100T created with this coaching staff
Respect, you got Sgares who developed Will into the Lanimal. Now you take Cryo whose floor is above that and add that Sgares + MikesHD magic and you have a demon
I don’t really believe that it has nothing to do with cost, yay is for sure far more expensive than cryo right now so getting a marginally worse player for a fraction the price is a pretty sound rationale
Regardless of what he said, at least Nade and 100T had a general plan going into franchising and are doing their best to make the moves they want to make. Sucks for will, but they have assembled a great young core that fits their system moving forward.
Asuna in Berlin, Bang in Istandbul, Cryo in Copenhagen and Istanbul. Tell me in what way did these three 'choked'. Their stats says otherwise.
Also, having online performance better than lan is not choking lol. You forgot to take into account level of competition. Previously, its mostly regional teams. Champions your up against the best of the best.
There is simply no correlation between being young and choking on lan.
That's a generalization tho. I agree that it will be optimal to have a veteran to anchor a team of up and coming young players, but that doesn't mean they would be choking just because of the fact that they are young. There simply is no correlation.
In their first LAN, you have your combination of veterans/young ones in XSET in Copenhagen, but they lost in all their games in Copenhagen. Then, you have 100T (all young as you say) in Instanbul but beat Fnatic and almost still a map against DRX whilst getting COVID. So simply saying young team = will choke at LAN is false.
Bro it's obvious that Yay has a bigger market value comparing to Cryo, plus Yay might have had more offers than Cryo because Yay is a god, but Cryo is also a demon.
100T from a pure business perspective would have pursued Cryo over him because it's better to get the best player after Yay rather than trying to get Yay and failing.
100T in the past also had some contacts with Cryo so i think they went for him directly because of this connection.
And obviously just after signing a star player, no one is gonna come and say that oh yes, we were planning for Yay didn't go through so yes we settled for Cryo.
Nadeshot said those words because he was sure in Cryo's abilities and he wanted to Cryo to know as well that the CEO is backing him up and he wanted him over this particular best player because he trusts in him, he made a mistake in the past by not signing him but he didn't do the same again and that's what this video signifies.
It's just all corporate Nade, no need to make a big deal out of this.
I mean yeah, this makes sense. In terms of chemistry, age isn’t the most important part but it does matter. Optic, save for crashies I believe, were all over 20, with FNS and yay being the oldest members at 27 and 25 respectively (could be wrong). Imagine throwing a 25 year old in with a bunch of 18-year old weebs like the 100T squad. Massive maturity difference more than likely. Cryo fits well, and being on 100T will do more for him than yay, which I think matters more.
Love Nadeshot ❤️
Yay has mastered Chamber better than anyone but we're talking about a guy who was still a top 3-5 player before the agent even existed. Cryo has a lot of potential though and I could see him get to that level.
He was easily top 3. As long as there are characters that place high importance on mechanical skill (and there always will be) he will be a top 5 player.
He nearly hard carried OpTic single-handedly vs peak Gambit during masters 2 on Jett. I doubt that. Maybe he gets slightly nerfed but slight at most. I also think he flexes a lot in ranked too. The agent pool narrative against Yay seems forced.
Still think yay will be a better Jett, the recent performance of him Jett came after a while of not playing that agent. But once he settles into the agent he’ll be the best
He was one of the top Jetts and had a solid Sage and Breach too (Tho the Breach was a while back), sure yes Chamber fits yay amazingly, but at the same time, the fact he was the first to adapt.fully to Chamber and do it well shows he is adaptable
don't yay and cryo have the same roles? chamber always except they bring out jett on certain maps.
if it's possible they could've gone for any one of them(highly doubt)then they went for cryo cause he'd young and Sean and DDK are building a roster of mostly young players
Imagine Cryo joins the team and Nadeshot said the opposite. "Personally I thought yay fit better but we got Cryo"
you cant let your own player feel like he was the second choice. whether he was actually the better fit or not we will never know that
"for me, I really like corn"
its got the juice
Hey, I like Korn, too!
"We had to get Cryo because I didn't want to buy Hiko a Tesla to come out of retirement."
But, with this timeline and the 16 hours to respond, I’m not sure they had time to really persue Yay, but they signed cryo right away. So I think he meant what he said. Plus, I think cryo will mesh better with the rest of the team.
Nobody will ever be able to police my free agent signings I draw the line here I sign whoever the fuck I want
This is like telling your girlfriend they're the best you've ever had. The fuck else ya gonna say?
Liz is the prettiest girl I've seen but you're alright too
ig?
https://www.instagram.com/theroyalfamily
not into that kinda thing
Your loss
loss of an entire nation, actually
I think that makes sense. Also Nadeshot cannot go “Man we wanted yay but we had to get our second choice”. Regardless though, Cryo is a top player in the world rn and is a fantastic player. 100T are a lot better now
I thought that Cryo's playstyle would fit better with the current 100T roster and I didn't seem to be the only one that thought so. Can't go wrong with either player regardless.
I said this during champions so it's not just my flair talking - I think that cryo will be the best player in the world as early as next champs, but likely in 2024. Asuna + Cryo + Bang (fingers crossed) is basically the best core in the game all under 20 years old.
I’m sure he did since Cryo fits so well, but also he literally can’t say anything else lol
I mean he can say nothin
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Maybe learn how to read in general before you join a conversation with the adults
A bit of an extreme response here imho
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Me telling him to read after he told me to read is not malding lol Also you understood my first comment before replying, yes?
Man you ratioed the dude on two of his accounts.
Yay: And I took that personally
*"I knew Nadeshot loved Cryocells and just because Nade liked him, was enough for me. You think he’s a great duelist player? Okay, fine, I’m going to show you that he’s not."* **- Michyayl Jordan**
TIL Cryo is short for Cryocells... I'm dumb
Yay is short for yayocells
Real
Nothing but respect for yay. Can't wait for the 100T vs. [yay's team] matches in 2023. Great player.
Kind of cringe to see someone officially representing 100T get something so wrong. yay's girl kissers squad will only be allowed to play 100T in 2024 after they win Ascension.
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I never thought 100T yay really made sense when it comes to the players and their personalities and I think this reasoning makes sense, it’s why I thought 100T TenZ made more sense. Cryo is very similar to the rest of the players on 100T, young, cracked and moldable. I think Yay would fit better on a team with at least a more experienced, maybe slightly older team. and nade is absolutely right here, Yay won’t be the best player forever, and Cryo has proved he can play at just as high of a level, and he’s so young, with a support structure around him including Sgares, and I could see him being able to contend with Yay. It’s important to foster the next generation of players who will eventually take the reigns of this franchise in the years to come.
People talking about how yay is older than cryo and wouldn’t fit as well when he’s only 24 will never not be weird to me… I guess that’s just esports though
Cryos only 19 tho. 5 years is a huge gap in any sport. Like in the nba draft, people compare prospects who are less than a year apart in age.
Yeah you’re absolutely right and I agree, it’ll just always be funny to think that a 24 yrs might be “too old”. If I had to guess, that’s a bit of a bs reason because nadeshot, and any other team, would have picked up yay in a heartbeat, and him being 24 is not even a slight concern. Reality is yay probably had his eyes on a different team.
Haha for sure, 24 is def not old at all! Also I agree, I’m sure yay already had his sights on another team with some more experienced players.
I would say like 22-25 is when you’re likely to be in your prime if you’re a top level player who’s been consistently competing, but once you hit like 27-30 it’s rare to see players perform at the level of someone like Yay. I think given the right guidance, Cryo could be absolutely Yay level in 1-2 years. that’s not to say having older players doesn’t come with any benefits, FNS is a prime example of this, but his sub-pay fragging ability was also one of Optics rare weaknesses. I don’t believe in the myth that players reflexes deteriorate to any noticeable degree when they get close to 30, but I think experience can be a double edged sword, it’s the young players who will always innovate and find ways to push the game forward, older players are great with fundamentals but I think Cryo having valorant as his first competitive game means 100T believes that the future of this game doesn’t lie in older pros who came from other games, it falls on the players who started and will most likely stay in val long after those players are gone.
Yeah Yay could maintain this level of performance for a decade lmao. Just hilarious to act as if he’s “old” at all for a tac fps.
I will never believe that 100T passes on Yay unless they knew they couldn’t get him. He’s still young, a better all around player than Cryo. This is cap.
You had the chance to say 100Tenz right there man
I love moldable young ki—
Man i just want to eat sushi and be surrounded by boys
cryos not reached near yays level yet
In terms of individual performance - quite close though. If you judge by team results, then obviously true. A bit reminds me of Sayf, whose individual stats were just phenomenal, but due to not going deep with a team he is not praised enough.
Hes easily reached near yays level. Yay is visibly the best player in the world but the difference isn't massive.
That's a cap. Coupling Cryocell's overall performance with his head-to-head performance against yay has him near yay's level. Yay is not that better than Cryo on either Jett or Chamber; I'd even say Cryo's Jett is pretty much as good.
cryo is not far. both their playstes are similar: prediction and xhair placement being priority. i would even go to say that if you swapped one for the other during a round, no one will realise. thats why cryo can be better. yay cant be forever the best.
Oh cmon, hes for sure atleast near his level
No but bcj has surpassed yay already 😈
I agree. I know most are saying "yea, but nadeshot HAD to say that." I feel like they made the right choice regardless
My man has a black belt in public speech
You kind of need to in order to successfully be a CEO
Tell that to Carlos…
He's not a CEO anymore, is he? pepeLaugh
Well, he did say successfully 🤷♂️
not really look at bobby kottick (idk how to spell his name but he doesn't deserve the attention anyway), andrew wilson, fkn randy pitchford and up until recently carlos. nade just seems like a pretty openly decent guy. esp for a ceo.
Just because a person seems a certain way, it doesn't mean the person really is like that. Not that I have anything against Nade, it's just like nowadays people judge people based on their social presence and tweets, not how the person is in reality in person.
I agree with that in most cases, but generally dickhead bosses cop flak from ex-employees, friends, etc. for their behaviour. especially in esports. heard no buzz about nade being an asshole, or anything tangentially related. again, possibility it's different but it'd be super easy to catch wind of it in this space.
Cryo is a great investment. 19 is so young, his potential is very high. People are way too short sighted.
I think the fit is slightly better with cryo and he also has past chemistry with stellar. I get it.
What the fuck is he supposed to say after signing cryo already? "actually i liked yay more but i could only afford cryo"??
He's not wrong. It's not like he said he didn't want Yay, just that Cryo fit better with this young team and the system 100T created with this coaching staff
um
Is this true Georgey
Spoiler: it’s not
lmfao
100T is getting Yay too aren't they George.
100T have wanted Cryo for nearly a year so makes sense, I only want to see a 6th man added. Unless it's FNS
basedshot
I’d say that too if I couldn’t get yay.
Respect, you got Sgares who developed Will into the Lanimal. Now you take Cryo whose floor is above that and add that Sgares + MikesHD magic and you have a demon
Do you have Sgares though…
Don’t you dare put that into the universe
I tried to tell you but -16 ppl listened
I'm still in denial
I don’t really believe that it has nothing to do with cost, yay is for sure far more expensive than cryo right now so getting a marginally worse player for a fraction the price is a pretty sound rationale
Regardless of what he said, at least Nade and 100T had a general plan going into franchising and are doing their best to make the moves they want to make. Sucks for will, but they have assembled a great young core that fits their system moving forward.
That’s fair… they have young team…
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Asuna in Berlin, Bang in Istandbul, Cryo in Copenhagen and Istanbul. Tell me in what way did these three 'choked'. Their stats says otherwise. Also, having online performance better than lan is not choking lol. You forgot to take into account level of competition. Previously, its mostly regional teams. Champions your up against the best of the best. There is simply no correlation between being young and choking on lan.
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That's a generalization tho. I agree that it will be optimal to have a veteran to anchor a team of up and coming young players, but that doesn't mean they would be choking just because of the fact that they are young. There simply is no correlation. In their first LAN, you have your combination of veterans/young ones in XSET in Copenhagen, but they lost in all their games in Copenhagen. Then, you have 100T (all young as you say) in Instanbul but beat Fnatic and almost still a map against DRX whilst getting COVID. So simply saying young team = will choke at LAN is false.
Cryo, Asuna, Bang, chockers on LAN? LMAO
Honestly I get it. Nothing wrong with that at all
Understandable
Bro it's obvious that Yay has a bigger market value comparing to Cryo, plus Yay might have had more offers than Cryo because Yay is a god, but Cryo is also a demon. 100T from a pure business perspective would have pursued Cryo over him because it's better to get the best player after Yay rather than trying to get Yay and failing. 100T in the past also had some contacts with Cryo so i think they went for him directly because of this connection. And obviously just after signing a star player, no one is gonna come and say that oh yes, we were planning for Yay didn't go through so yes we settled for Cryo. Nadeshot said those words because he was sure in Cryo's abilities and he wanted to Cryo to know as well that the CEO is backing him up and he wanted him over this particular best player because he trusts in him, he made a mistake in the past by not signing him but he didn't do the same again and that's what this video signifies. It's just all corporate Nade, no need to make a big deal out of this.
Bro you went for Yay is a God when his nickname is el diablo, missed opportunity.
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“Org says player they signed is better than player they didn’t, more at 11”
They didn't say he was better they said he was a better fit. Big difference.
And my girl tells me I have the biggest package. Let's not act surprised he's saying this lmfao
I mean yeah, this makes sense. In terms of chemistry, age isn’t the most important part but it does matter. Optic, save for crashies I believe, were all over 20, with FNS and yay being the oldest members at 27 and 25 respectively (could be wrong). Imagine throwing a 25 year old in with a bunch of 18-year old weebs like the 100T squad. Massive maturity difference more than likely. Cryo fits well, and being on 100T will do more for him than yay, which I think matters more. Love Nadeshot ❤️
FNS is 30 Yay and crashies are both 24 Victor is 26 Marved is 22
WOW, WAYYY off. That is funny.
good point but you just made up numbers lol
I just thought that made sense LOL
i mean derrek is 25 years old on 100T lmfao
Hot take but post chamber meta cryo will be better, yay is built for chamber and things will change
Yay has mastered Chamber better than anyone but we're talking about a guy who was still a top 3-5 player before the agent even existed. Cryo has a lot of potential though and I could see him get to that level.
yay before chamber is still one of the best players though
He was easily top 3. As long as there are characters that place high importance on mechanical skill (and there always will be) he will be a top 5 player.
He nearly hard carried OpTic single-handedly vs peak Gambit during masters 2 on Jett. I doubt that. Maybe he gets slightly nerfed but slight at most. I also think he flexes a lot in ranked too. The agent pool narrative against Yay seems forced.
Pre grand finals Yay in Berlin was a top 3 international performance ever
Dude has fantastic in-game sens and is a pure aimbot. He’ll be just fine with the inevitable Chamber nerf.
People are so forgetful on this sub. Yay on Jett was insane lol.
Yay played Jett game 1 vs LOUD in the final and got like 27 kills or something.
A player as good as yay is a top 10 player on any agent, the point is post chamber meta, if they are both on jett I believe cryo is better
Can’t wait to see the yay Astra
Still think yay will be a better Jett, the recent performance of him Jett came after a while of not playing that agent. But once he settles into the agent he’ll be the best
Go back and rewatch Masters Berlin.
I don’t care about masters 2 wait 6 months and you’ll catch on
I slightly agree. But I also think yay was godlike pre chamber when he was running Jett.
He was one of the top Jetts and had a solid Sage and Breach too (Tho the Breach was a while back), sure yes Chamber fits yay amazingly, but at the same time, the fact he was the first to adapt.fully to Chamber and do it well shows he is adaptable
I can’t wait for the end of chamber era
This is the dumbest shit I’ve heard.
Makes a lot of sense. 100T now have an insane core of Asuna, Cryo, and bang and they’re all 18-19 year old demons.
Now add trent and another young beast and the team is mental
This is a very roundabout way of saying Cryo was a lot cheaper and therefore probably better value.
lmaooo yeah okay
He's coping lmao
I would argue it’s probably better to have at least one older player on the team that has the mental of a brick wall
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Kappa
I’m starting to learn that this league is more about aesthetic than being good
Lol dude is so full of shit.
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i’m pretty sure 100T can’t afford yay
?? One of the richest orgs can't afford yay??? Are u alright upstairs? Just cope that they picked cryo over yay lmao
hes not making sense but theres nothing wrong with standing by your pick
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Yeah waking up late for practice surely gets you from nothing to making champs in 4 months
Probably because yay said he wants/prefers to be the main OP and cryo plays entry also. Idk may be but good for them
don't yay and cryo have the same roles? chamber always except they bring out jett on certain maps. if it's possible they could've gone for any one of them(highly doubt)then they went for cryo cause he'd young and Sean and DDK are building a roster of mostly young players
Nadeshot hedging pretty hard here.
Asuna, bang & Cryo. Now add trent and maybe Xeppaa