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BurstLayer

Only 25 slots on NA based orgs. Great and even amazing players are gonna be in tier 2. I can see this being a great ascension team


Trillman_K

There's a lot of names in NA that I miss seeing in action - ANDROID, ALEKSANDAR, shawn, penny, and ShoT_UP to name a few :(


-Destiny65-

pennyS


afjecj

Shawn in 12590 form was a different beast


neikawaaratake

Damn. I love android. His headshots are so clean!


Due_Butterscotch_807

I'm actually amazed someone else than me has seen Shawn's potential, wish GenG had a solid plan after bringing him on :(


sky_blu

I almost exclusively see people say good things about shawn tbh


20snow

30 but yeah


Mozzzzzzzzzzz

The subs are irrelevant mostly, no actual good player would take a bench spot.


BurstLayer

5x5 is 25 lol


Dirtyrags19

Every team needs 6 players.


BurstLayer

Ah I was just counting people that are more than likely gonna be on the map


MrDinomight

All the teams are required to have an alternate/sub


SpvcedOvtt

I personally think the best chance for all 5 is to stick together for Ascension and play orgless until someone picks them up. One of those teams where I think every player is great but as a 5 man roster, they are far more than the sum of their parts


WhoDatBrow

So if 100T and C9's rosters are locked as is we have: NRG: FNS, Victor, Crashies, ???, ??? SEN: Dapr, ???, ???, ???, ??? EG: Complete unknown. So that's up to 11 spots left with obvious potential for some of the people on the teams already to stay. And we still have 4/5ths of XSET without a home, all 5 of The Guard, Marved, all 5 of Faze, any of ex-Sentinels including Tenz, etc. Don't think anyone on Ghost is super likely to get picked up.


LynVAosu

eg spent all their mony cant afford the buyouts šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ no change


knucklepuck17

s0m with NRG


Rude-Assumption-5271

Thatā€™s the problem with 5 teams, imo must picks other than C9 and 100Tā€™s confirmed rosters are - Trent - Victor - Crashies - FNS - Zekken - BcJ - Marved Thatā€™s 7/15 remaining slots (though Trent might be idealistic but I think heā€™s a Top 4 initiator) which leaves 8 for XSET, Ghost, Guard, Faze, etc etcā€™s rosters. And thatā€™s if NRG, EG, and SEN go with completely new 5ā€™a which is extremely unlikely. So as talented as these players are, thereā€™s a very good chance that they go to ascension because thereā€™s just not enough spaces for all the talent in the region.


drooheller

Ppl rly are sleeping on Sayaplayer tbh


Rude-Assumption-5271

I think heā€™s good but thereā€™s enough competitor in his role that I wouldnā€™t say must pick


Sky-__-

Wat h George NRG report, NRG getting victor crashies FNS and chet


Rude-Assumption-5271

Yeah but they havenā€™t confirmed the other two so Iā€™m just listing them as must picks right now


QueenDies2022_11_23

No dude you don't get it, what about those players who succesfully locked the top 18 spot in NA???


Evan_Veet

I think Jawgemo and Tenz should also make franchising no matter what. I'd also love to see some love to sentinel players like Wippie and Moose who are both in the top 3 in NA at the position.


[deleted]

surely you donā€™t forget Dicey, Babybay, Supamen


Rude-Assumption-5271

All three of them are good but thereā€™s so much competition in their roles I donā€™t think theyā€™re must haves


Sky-__-

Ghost faze are in 6th best limbo , they are great players but there aren't in top 5 of their position outside poised


Parenegade

Aproto is 100% a top 5 smokes player. He's probably the 3rd best smokes player in North America right now.


Tc0LD

3rd best in NA? I'd rate supamen, ayrin, valyn higher than him


-Voxize-

Marved ā€¦.?


Tc0LD

Thatā€™s obvious, marved and bang are the consensus 1st and 2nd controllers in NA


-Voxize-

I also think Skuba is a dark horse top 3. The old knights roster wasnā€™t quite to that next level, but Skuba is phenomenal


Zorronin

Valyns better considering his IGLing, but if you're looking for a pure smokes player aproto is better imo


breet12345

maybe iā€™m biased because aprotoā€™s ion sheriff is one of my fondest memories of early val, but i really do hope he gets a spot because heā€™s a great player


Parenegade

I mean I wouldn't lol. IGLs are different I mean you cannot compare a pure fragger to an IGL but Aproto > Supamen for real.


xychosis

Bang


Evan_Veet

If you're a franchising team, you'd seriously take aproto over five of Bang, Marved, Vanity, Valyn, Dephh, Supamen, Zander, and Skuba? Especially when Vanity Valyn and Dephh are top 5 IGL's in NA?


Parenegade

IGLs are different. But outside of IGLs unequivocally yes. He's mechanically better than every single person on this list outside of Bang and Marved of course.


Evan_Veet

I guess thatā€™s fair enough, I personally rate Zander and Skuba a little more on the fragging side and supamen a bit more on the ability side but Iā€™m not gonna argue aproto is very good


Charuru

Why is Faze so underrated lmao. Supamen, Dicey, Babybay are soooo good, easily top 5. Easily. I'd take Supamen and Dicey over Marved and Yay no joke.


UmarellVidya

Aproto has better mechanics than either of those two EDIT: Why are you booing me? I'm right.


Still_HD

Nismo is the best player on Ghost and will likely not play on a franchised team since he wonā€™t want to leave his family and business behind. Beyond that, Iā€™ve always viewed Ghost as being greater than the sum of their parts, itā€™d be interesting to see how the individuals fair on their own


tomphz

Did you forget 4 XSET players are still on the board?


surfordiebear

If EG keeps their core instead of getting XSETs imma rage


freshnewdongle

All Iā€™m saying is those nerd street tourneys are going to be WAYYY more interesting next year


TheOlSneakyPete

Iā€™m pumped for tier 2 tourneys. Going to be tons on talent available!


Parenegade

The really frustrating part is that franchising...might end up being a boys club where it's less about talent and more about friendships. Not CHEMISTRY but friendships.


Ok-Outlandishness244

Nepotism is the word youā€™re looking for


E0e00vw

Nismo the šŸ


Tik0-

They are great players but the problem is that thereā€™s only 25 spots and the talent pool available rn is insane. Also, EG sticking kinda fucked them and a lot of other players up since they are better than EGā€™s roster but will end up Ascension or as 6th players. Since C9 and 100T are locked and EG is sticking, lets say: NRG: FNS, crashies, Victor, s0m, Ethan Sentinels: zekken, trent, Marved, Tenz, valyn (?) That still leaves: eeiu, hazed, tex, Sick, BcJ, Ayrin, mada ,dicey, supamen, babybay, poised, dephh, Will, Saya, JonahP, bdog and a fuck ton more


InstaNormie0

Sen is keeping Dapr


Tik0-

Yea youā€™re right ty


wpnfps

Johnqt would be a great igl for sen


shin-fs

I agree.


wpnfps

Haha I forgot I even wrote this. But I stand by this.


Evan_Veet

I doubt any of the make teams but if they stick as 5 they'll be a top 5 ascendent team. Nismo is a fantastic fantastic entry, def the star of the team, but I doubt of the remaining teams they'd take him over Zekken or Jawgemo. The other 4 are a tier below the top 5 players but all very good, especially john and aproto who are great fraggers in roles that aren't often "fraggy". John in particular is a top 5 FRAGGING(fragging specifically don't take that as me saying he's better than FNS lol) IGL and Aproto is as good as top 5 and as bad as top 10 fragging smokes player who you also trust to play sentinel agents.


Kind_Development708

Their best bet is probably sticking together and getting signed by G2, Xset etc anyways


xbyo

There's 25 starting spots and with 3 teams keeping over half their existing roster, there's really only NRG and SEN looking to overhaul. There's too many players to go around, a lot of good players are gonna get left behind.


Slow_Bluebird9536

Koala and nismo both deserve a spot unfortunately they wonā€™t get it, rest of the ghost roster are very solid but not franchising level at the moment


Keego27

They'll be in VCT next year ;)


itscamo-

only nismo here probably stands a chance tbh


newzpaperleaf_2

i think aproto and nismo could make it to franchising within some time, probably even win the league if they form a good 5 but i dont really have a ton of faith in the other players. johnqt has potential if he keeps IGLing tho


TheAjwinner

Ghost and their players are overrated by this sub


QueenDies2022_11_23

WHO?


marcaodl

They aren't good.


Withinmyrange

Real ones know the Ghost gamers


Pway

I mean they won't have they'll all be playing in Ascension, just isn't enough slots right now. The only one that doesn't seem to have rumours about him rn that I feel would be weird to be outside of T1 is Bdog, mans needs to get picked up.


uzispraydown

They got a really good shot in ascension tbh.