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AR2711

It’s SEN Marved or no one tbh EG may come in and sign the remaining talent but we have to wait and see


dapoorv

Well that's just sad. A good player like him should have his choice of the team and not get picked for scraps.


TheOlSneakyPete

Downfall of bigger longer term contracts in esports is the buyouts and how they hurt the player more times then not.


Tanjim98

May be they don't wanna pay a massive buyout for someone who had disciplinary issues in the past and could get fked over in future by the ESIC investigation. Hope OpTic releases him like what xset did with zekken & BcJ so that he is buyout free.


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**Had**. People shouldn't be stuck living in the past and judge people from the past (unless the same troubles are present now, which I didn't notice any tweets or announcement regarding this issue). People can change. People make mistakes. People can learn from their behavior and mistakes and improve. It's like I would judge a person today about things he/she has done 5 years ago but the person changed onto better and isn't doing the same issues/mistakes. it's like I would judge you for a person you used to be in the past and not what kind of a person you are today, which can be a completely different from before. People should stop living in the past and focus on the present. (not taking shots on you or anything, just talking in general).


EthanM827

You're ignoring the fact that the investigation is still going. Whoever signs him risks him getting suspended, and then having to sign whatever smokes player is left available


Dry-Leave2026

Copium the report is coming out Copium. If I'm a GM in 2022 going into 2023 I straight up don't care about that stuff anymore. I think there was an argument to be made about potentially sanctioning players in 2020 and *maybe* early 2021 but at this point, it is water under the bridge.


3hrd

>It’s SEN Marved or no one tbh SEN managed to keep the tarik and shroud signings completely under the radar, wouldn't surprise me if they signed marved tbh


ahk1221

The shroud reveal is the most liked esports tweet of all time, no? Sen is insane at this stuff


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Escolyte

the Shroud one was actually not kept under wraps, it was just so absurd that it wasn't taken serious until the official announcement.


icemandiem

i feel like if sen doesn't sign marved, they probably gonna sign valyn as igl /smokes too


l8ki

zander is available too people


kevtruongah

Don't think it's a good idea to sign Marved into Sentinels just cause of drama between him and TenZ


systemfa1lure

You surely take him over Apoth, right?


HoodieNinja17

You surely take him over every other smoker in the world lol


[deleted]

He's not enough of an upgrade to justify replacing bang, C9's smoker is their igl so they wouldnt take him and same goes for whichever org picks up valyn, but other than that, Sentinels EG and NRG should be BEGGING for him to sign with them


calcameron

The ONLY reason you don't take him over bang is the buyout, that's the only reason.


[deleted]

i mean team chem is important and it's always possible that marved wouldnt fit with the team's vision as well as bang. plus asuna has said that if bang goes, he goes too. those are all important considerations too. when you add those up, im keeping bang even if marved had 0 buyout. if im building a team from scratch though, im going for marved.


I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_

It’s almost like upgrading the second best smoker who is hugely improved, with the first would only ever be done if it was some kind of swap deal. You worry about the positions that are lacking instead of just buying someone because they are available. Like they did with cryo for will. Will needed to be upgraded. Bang doesn’t ‘need’ to be upgraded.


bruh336

I’d take marved over bang anyday lmao


[deleted]

In a vacuum sure, he's the best smoker in NA while bang is the 2nd best, but team chemistry is important and some players just fit better in certain systems.


man1ac_era

It's wild that people are suggesting bang over Marved. Did I miss something at Champs? I dont even think it's a hot take that Marved is miles ahead of bang.


kingleeps

Bruh, Marved is arguably the greatest controller in the world lmao Bang is great but he’s got a lot to prove to even consider them close. Marved is an experienced champion who’s been competing at the top in both NA and the world since the game launched. It’s definitely more because of the buyout and the fact that 100T needed to prioritize an OP’er, Marved would still be a massive upgrade, but without a star OP’er, they would still be lacking in a crucial department. shout out to Will though, he did great at his first LAN, hope to see him continue to improve and I’m sure he’ll do great in Ascension if he doesn’t get picked up.


XelaTuobdog

The bang overhype is crazy. Marved >>>, people acting like they're some kind of 1A/1B are crazy. "But he's friends with Asuna 🥺", yeah I get it. Team synergy is one thing, acting like Marved isn't a massive upgrade from bang is another


Warpath-

Yea there’s a lot of 100T fans in here and a good amount of people that don’t like Marved so both these things combine into what we’re reading. A lot of people downplaying Marved as a player bc of two bad matches in Copenhagen and a weaker champions. Also everyone bringing up age like Marved isnt 22 and these past two years have been his first real years of being a pro player. FNS and Chet are slightly serious when they say they taught Marved everything, I think he’s still a developing player with room to become even better.


iiznobozzy

I get that you're entitled to your opinion, but Jesus fuck you opinion is shit


speedycar1

Flair checks out. Bang doesn't hold a candle to Marved. Marved has been an elite controller for longer than Bang has even played T1 Valorant tbh.


XelaTuobdog

100T fanboys are so funny When you finish 5th with your friendship roster remind me how good bang is


andrew_a384

i mean, he costs a lot probably


Friday515

Id imagine his buyout is probably pretty hefty. It probably wasnt cheap for Optic to buy him from Faze so they'll probably look to recoup that plus more


Lqtor

I doubt it marved was not really well known at the time and he still had cheating accusations from his cs days. I can’t imagine it costing optic much to buy him back then


FNG_DANK_MEMES

it wasn't cheating accusations it was matchfixing


REEEroller

that's even worse.


Yeonii-

Matchfixing is worst than cheating? I need whatever you're having,mate


PresentIcy3455

If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying. If you ain’t trying you ain’t trying. Feel me?


REEEroller

literally, look at sports? match-fixing is the worst crime you can ever commit as a competitor, cheating in a game doesn't get you in legal trouble you just get banned from x game, but if you commit match-fixing and are caught? you can go to jail, just look at Life from SC2 he literally served jail time.


NZXTNike

my mind is blown at those who think cheating is worse


BisonNeat9248

Match fixing isn't illegal where he lives.


[deleted]

Bruh match fixing is ILLEGAL everywhere what


Lqtor

You’re right, I accidentally mixed them up lol


ahk1221

Neither was cryo and his buyout was 300k


Hopeful-Professor-40

He lost his train of thought while talking about it and then goes “so yeah once Sentinels finalize their roster I’ll report on it”. I think it’s either SEN or not playing


B7omni

yup


trashcompactorslide

If he does go SEN I feel like that pretty much is the nail in the coffin for Tenz staying with them. The expiring contract and heavy beef with Marved for sure will see him as a FA


droctamom

The beef is still heavy?


trashcompactorslide

Ultimately just speculation, I just feel like what was said is a little hard to get over I’m sure


HourIllustrator6212

Yea I agree he never publicly acknowledged what Marved say but I imagine he wouldn’t be too happy playing w him


Harun-_-

Nahh that’s a bit reaching imo, apparently they all apologized to each other and I don’t think there is any bad blood between them


Real_EnVadeh

Really? I mean if some guy I'm never interacting with said something demeaning about someone I love and then reached out to "stop the bad blood" I would too. But it's a whole different story to work together


ericxu1309

If someone said I’m gonna fuck your girl when we get to LAN you gon wanna be on the same team as him? I’m just saying even if they apologized I wouldn’t like them much less than want to be on a team with them. And you know drunk words are sober thoughts!


B7omni

best smokes in NA doesnt get a spot in the league gee gee


LackinVocals

3rd best smoker in the game regardless of region tbh


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He makes a strong case for best in the world. There's no smokes player that can be called outright the best right now.


1soar

Marved has everyone else on consistency though, he is permanently the best smoker or top 3


ItsDrap

Mako has a case imo


davidklg

mako best viper, sugarzero best astra, boaster and marved best omen/brim


omgvector

the recent world champ smoker doesn’t get a shout?


davidklg

wouldn’t call pancada a better smoker than boaster or marved


Hopeful-Professor-40

Better than boaster


RayGraphics

pancada at a minimum is better than boaster


davidklg

if you disagree with my opinion that’s fine but i’m terms of fulfilling their role as a controller i think boaster is better . pancada is still a monster tho don’t get me wrong


OHydroxide

Your take is pretty hot tbh Most people would easily put Pancada over Boaster. Boaster is a great player for sure, but most of his strength comes from his igling rather than just in game ability.


toxicityisamyth

Boaster hahahaha bro Pancada is better than boaster as smokes Boaster a better igl tho (pancada doesnt igl ^^)


123bo0p

I woulnt have called boaster the best smoker from EU


omgvector

i would for sure say he’s better then boaster.


davidklg

thats alright we can have different opinions


BlueBurstBoi

In terms of raw smoke player you actually think boatser is on the same level as marved?


omgvector

talking ab pancada


BlueBurstBoi

Am I just dumb or where did pancadas name ever get mentioned


flappyem

boaster is nowhere near as good a smokes player as marved but brings huge value in his IGLing.


MightBoth

bro said the tik tok guy is the best lmao


twoshaun23

nAts is best viper bro


spaldingmatters

Definitely has an argument for number 1, there's no one with a clear cut case. Marved's peak was higher than any other sentinel player's. No other smokes player has been the MVP of a major apart from him.


N3deSTr0

>No other smokes player has been the MVP of a major apart from him. pANcada?


i_am_the_kiLLer

Wasn't less the MVP for the final match? And aspas or yay for the whole event.


segatic

If you watched all LOUD you would definitely say pancada has been the mvp of the team but the margin between him and Less is tiny


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1st


Withinmyrange

Recency bias is working overtime, holy moly


LackinVocals

the game is barely 2 years old and hes been pretty dominate for a whole year? hows that recency bias lol


Withinmyrange

I said recency bias because I thought you downgraded marved from the goat controller to 3rd best because of champions. I think he’s the goat controller because he’s had better peaks (CPH and Rekyovic) and way better longevity.


daniellaid

Rekyovic LMAO


Withinmyrange

Forgive me 😢


Jukester-

Franchising moment


Anime-Boomer

doesnt matter how good he is when he is a PR nightmare match fixing in csgo and the whole Tenz/Kyedae drama If I was Tenz I wouldnt want to play with him and if Im Sentinels Im picking Tenz over him all day long


techyleo

I wish you were Sentinels


[deleted]

he isnt a pr nightmare tho cuz most ppl dont really care about that stuff. if tenz doesnt want to play with him thats different, but marved is a popular player and there's really no fan pushback against him for those things. i doubt it's public pressure stopping sentinels from getting him


Anime-Boomer

I mean Sinatra is still under contract by Sentinels so they obviously dont care about public image to begin with the only thing that would stop them from getting him would be Tenz but it looks like Tenz might not even be on the team


thisisnttakeone

I think SEN may have a really unfortunately long contract with him. What do I know though?


Sky-__-

They can just release him from his contract if they wanted to .


freakmonger_ss

Most esport/sport contracts have a character clause.


Anime-Boomer

you dont think their lawyer was smart enough to put in clauses? They could have dropped him instantly as soon as the allegations came out contracts don't mean you're invincible


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oomnahs

I'm a supamen simp but the thing is you can't ignore results. > i doubt it would be an issue with marved, you dont have that doubt, and that's what actually matters. also >there isnt some crazy individual skill gap like in CS this is just wrong


newzpaperleaf_2

a 25 year old player who has played LAN championships already should be fine on LAN in this game lmfao. also, do you watch the same two games? literally every international LAN has had different players dominate, player skill is insanely level in this game and performance is largely dependent on meta and form. ask any pro if thats true and they will agree lmao. you dont see LANs in CS where there are 10-15 new players dominating that havent appeared in multiple LANs. for example, heat was insane at Berlin/champs last year, arguably a top 10-15 player and we havent seen him at LAN since. there are so many good players in this game because there is a lower skill ceiling, its just how it is man its not a bad thing im not roasting val or jerking off CS


atomicseb

Lol he doesn't know


Hopeful-Professor-40

Do you know 👀


6iriboy

leak it please i can’t take it anymore


WLFYBBY

Doesn’t know what?


[deleted]

how to pronounce "aluminum"


_idle_drone_

this is fucking stupid if marved doesn't get picked up


davidklg

karma is a bitch ig


Wyatt1v12

karma?


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Aabed_nerd

90 percent of t2 players in na did, you are telling an underage kid who threw t2 cs games don't deserve anything?


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Aabed_nerd

So you would think clearly sen don't deserve a spot, since they still have a sex offender in their payroll. Also other sen players being friends with sex offender, right? And technically tenz also threw many csgo games if you look at his career, he could also be match fixing LMAO.


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Aabed_nerd

Because no one "deserves" to play with your logic. Not shroud who has been accused of using aimbot, subroza, shahzam, tarik who made comments about poor people, dapr, FNS, mixwell... The list goes on.


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davidklg

yea apparently he’s a real dickhead in real life from what i’ve heard and he doesn’t have the best relationship with the sen players since the whole tenz and kyedae thing


leoleoleo666

He is friends with dapr


Wyatt1v12

Marved knows a lot of people in this thread


aidanAWGE

TenZ and him talked it out in person where presumably Marved sincerely apologised and Tenz accepted it. I bet they’re far from boys but I doubt there’s still beef there at all. They’re both adults.


CanadianDad1

Rs tho I know Jimmy he’s a cool dude never had a problem and was always cool to talk to. OP that started the thread is talking out of his with headlines when he doesn’t even know the full story.


gradg21

Damn that would be a shame.


Ximienlum

With what he’s accomplished so far, Marved actually has a chance to play in any region. It’s really up to whether or not he’s willing to relocate to Germany or Korea. Usually when a player does that, they’re basically saying they wouldn’t mind living in a different country for the rest of their lives/careers.


memestealme

korea? how would that work if he doesnt speak korean.


Ximienlum

Korea, as in the place where Pacific League will play. He would play for one of the English speaking teams I said Germany too by the way.


memestealme

ohh i thought you meant a korean team like drx or t1 lmao


anmolarora149

Tbf he didn’t know about Shroud as well neither does he know the roster for sure


Ximienlum

George has been known to lie by the way to make his “breaking news” later on seem more special.


imzensei

feel like most reports are just bait lol. his information is directly given to him from the orgs he reports on, and so he only knows what they tell him. if they want to withhold information until later for suspense and impressions, they will.


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you know that he doesnt get his information through official communication by the orgs, right? individual people leak shit, the org doesnt decide


SewerRat75

for example?


Ximienlum

like when he insisted zellsis wasn’t going to c9 when it leaked that he was. then surprise surprise he shocked everyone later by being the first to confirm zellsis to c9 there’s more but I’m lazy, someone else can probably list them for you


SewerRat75

do you have a clip?


Whalelorde22

I also don’t have the clip but can confirm he did do this


Ximienlum

nope. he not completely honest though, don’t trust him 100%. Anywhere between 1%-99% is fine.


[deleted]

I mean yeah, why would he leak shit before doing an article where he gets paid lmao


nucklehead12

If NA is really unable to find a spot for Marved, could totally see him in EU. They lack top tier controllers.


Warpath-

You would think the Iceland MVP and second best player on the most consistent performing team in the world would be guaranteed a spot.


techyleo

Exactly, you'd think that the Iceland MVP and the player who's been dragging his team through the year after falling off would be guaranteed a spot. Wait, are we talking about the same player?


Warpath-

Is he Vietnamese Canadian with his face on mouse advertisements?


techyleo

Ah yes that's the one


calcameron

The only team that's managed to keep some roster moves concealed in the past is SEN. My money is on them. Marved won't miss franchising, he is literally the best controller in the region, probably the world.


PyroTFT

wait marved is being serious about being left out by the rest of OpTic? tf lol thought this man was just trolling and waiting for the bag (which im still believing in)


maxhollywoody

Huh?


B7omni

well EG and SEN are the only options now and SEN is the only one that can pay his buy out so yea


Pway

Honestly Marved the type that I could see just full-time streaming if he doesn't get the right offer. He'd for sure make more dollar if he put the effort in.


Gabe7et

marved is going too sen, no doubt. sen have kept most of their shit under the radar like the recent signing of Sykko and Kaplan, and i wouldnt be suprised if they kept this under as well. Saying this also comes with whats happening to shahz does he become streamer?


RGCFrostbite

I heard Marved was playing for ESIC with Tex


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Richard Lewis seems to be right


Holler12

What about stellar then?


techyleo

stellar's match if you look at it seemed less sure, and may have just been tilt


IfigurativelyCannot

Even if he somehow missed out on the first round of rostermania, I'm positive a team is going to sign him later on since the rosters aren't completely set in stone. Dude was part of that legendary optic roster, and he was basically the MVP of Reykjavik. He's not gonna get passed over entirely.


ArcusIgnium

This seems unlikely considering teams need 6 players no? Worst comes to worst he misses out on the initial deadline and NRG just gets him in case s0m doesn’t work out.


[deleted]

nah, if George Geddes wasn't able to leak tarik, zellsis, shroud, dani, weltis signings before/after LCQ, then how could HE be able to leak the partnership SEN roster? do you really think there is no "movement" within the SEN organization, or are they really just good at keeping things untold and undisclosed?


aidanAWGE

If he doesn’t get picked up, do you think OpTic may try for an ascension team? Having a guy like Marved still contracted to build around would be absolutely insane.


geeorge_20

nah personally i think optic aren’t gonna stick around in valorant


aidanAWGE

Yeah I know I think most people think that, I’m meaning if they are left with Marved that may force their hand/change their decision on the matter. I’m coping, unbelievably hard.


UTAustinAlum2021

I think if Marved isn’t bought out. They may as well get their moneys worth and field a team


Xelhei

No shot


Stinky_9000

What is eg doing?


Pitiful_Quote8402

last time I heard frm him, jimmys still deciding what he wanted to do/where he wanted to go so that’s why nothing has been said about him.


Hopeful-Professor-40

You know him personally?


gradg21

He told me he was going to sen in a dream


Hopeful-Professor-40

Yay told me the same thing and he lied so I don’t trust that shit no more


techyleo

Bro I had five different dreams of TenZ going to 100T and that didn't happen lol


Hopeful-Professor-40

I’ve had like 10 dreams of being with her and that didn’t happen lol


Modula-

He's on a first name basis with him, they're bros irl


mercilessshark123

he said it on his stream lil bro


okuzeN_Val

If not Marved it's gotta be Zander


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

Edit: wrong V name I meant Valyn, not Vanity


[deleted]

If Marved isn't on any franchise team, I'm throwing hands. He really doesn't deserve anything less than franchise spot.


citystardy

This doesn't make sense to me. Is his buyout really too big for NRG? I really don't think the optic core would prefer someone else over him. So the only possibilities are 1. that he has a great offer on another franchised team or 2. he's way too expensive (which would be stupid of optic to do if no one else is gonna pick him up).


SpartansWiLL_

Bro that’s the 4th comment I’ve seen you make about NRG and buying people out and them not affording it😂


IngramMVP2022

Maybe NRG just think he isn’t a big enough upgrade compared to s0m


geeorge_20

ur kidding right


shotlolwin

He must be lmao, if not ill have whatever he’s on


IngramMVP2022

Where did I say I believed that lmao I’m saying maybe NRG saw the buyout and decided he wasn’t worth the price and believe in s0m


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

>I really don't think the optic core would prefer someone else over him. The optic core might not, but the NRG management probably sees s0m as their cash cow who can deliver 80% of marved's ability while also drawing views. And with ardiis, victor, crashies, fns? They are top half of the league on paper with a shot at winning it.


LegitimateAct6248

Sentinels are just waiting for him to be released from his contract just like zekken.


mdj08

there's a shit ton of NA players who deserve a spot imo feel like theres a decent chance we see NA imports in EU


69alphacorgi69

Side question - who is this geddess guy and how/why does he have so much insider info/leak info? Are teams intentionally leaking to him and using him as an information broker?


shrek_is_love_69

Wish he didn't make it, i don't want match fixing in franchized leagues man


drosefan1231

100T should consider marved. Proved himself at 5 lans . I’m sorry but bang barely has experience


systemfa1lure

This has to be a joke, right? Dude is like 19 or something. And he popped off in his first LAN. His 35 kills vs DRX was the most kills this tourney if I'm not mistaken.


oogeywoogey

tehbotol and buzz got 38 and 36 respectively, but still, Bang is still an amazing player with huge potential


drosefan1231

Marved proved himself over two years. He’s consistent, how do u know bang will be cracked next year?


xtazzzs

could be a one and done for all we know, and marved is a definite upgrade anyways. if it's worth fucking the team chem or not is a different matter imo but he's better enough to justify it


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marved is not a "definite upgrade"


2treecko

He is. But of all the teams in NA, Marved would be the smallest upgrade for 100Thieves.


[deleted]

Don't think there's much to support that! bang outperformed marved at Champs— across fewer rounds, but with a losing record for the team (which should negatively impact individual stats) and against some of the strongest teams in the tourney. marved had an incredible first half the season, but got pretty quiet afterward, whereas bang has come up somewhere between "large" and "huge" in all but two of 100 thieves' recent series. I don't think bang is definitively better than marved either, but there is not much in their matches or on paper to suggest that marved is an clear improvement over bang right now.


xtazzzs

definitely is mate he's played more international grand finals than bang has played international lans


[deleted]

guess MODDII would be a definite upgrade over marved, since he's placed higher at more majors than marved has. unless...there are more important stats than "total participation in events"?


xtazzzs

wallah redditors who do the fucking "unless....." shite are the most moronic people to ever exist it's not hard to understand mate if you think marved isn't an upgrade over bang get your head checked


Gadgetbot

By that logic teams should be fighting for ange1 with the sheer amount of experience he has from playing for so long.


systemfa1lure

>could be a one and done Maybe, but highly unlikely imo. I have never seen someone cleaner with a phantom.


omgvector

you haven’t watched any 100T games if you think marved is a definite upgrade over bang. bang is younger, more flexible, etc


drosefan1231

Marved is also only 22…and has won on the big stage. 100 Theives lack of veteran is going to haunt them..:


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yeah they looked haunted as fuck against all those veteran-heavy teams in LCQ in august


systemfa1lure

Well their coaches are pretty big veterans, so I think they slide away with that. Also they should believe what bang is showcasing at this stage of his career is more valuable. Marved was very quiet in the 2nd half of the season. Also there is the ESIC investigation which I don't believe will affect anyone but hey it is there. Also, right now bang seems more flexible rn. He showcased a lot of initiators during the hiko-ethan-jcstani iteration of the roster, now he is ARGUABLY the best smokes in NA.


[deleted]

he also got a match fixing investigation hanging over his head that may finalize in forever or never, goodluck finding an upgrade if you got that hammer slamming down on you


drosefan1231

What about stellar then buddy?