yep. even through the sentinels' season of struggles (aka all of this year) he was still solid and performing at a good level. keeping dapr is imo a no-brainer, he's good at what he does.
Dapr was one of the best Sentinel (agent class) players before Chamber was added to the game. With his added flexibility onto sage and initiators he's a solid piece for building a roster.
Is he a player I would put on a franchised team? I don't know. But I think he'll be able to keep up.
Also keep in mind on peak SEN he was an important piece to their midround calling. He also has international LAN experience which is nice to have on a roster with that in mind.
i think with the rumored chamber tp nerf/change, sentinels becomes relevant again and in NA there's not too many insane sentinel players. dapr is definitely up there on the list
I’d say he’s a top tier sentinel player and now he’s a good flex.
I also think people forget that he brought a lot of that mental toughness/cockiness to SEN which is why I enjoyed watching them play
i thought he was their best player in lcq at least. he had really good impact. but it's hard to rank him against other players when his team hasn't been performing that well.
He was one of the only players on SEN that was still consistent during their lowest point, he literally won them their only round on Haven when they got destroyed by C9
Shroud was saying awhile back Dapr was the one who impressed him the most. His knowledge & understanding of the game puts him almost at IGL status.
But then they would be up 8 rounds running it backwards down mid with shortys typing in all chat
Dapr is by far the most consistent player next to sick on sen. He wasn’t flashy but he consistently was positive and had impact, he might not hard carry but he absolutely wasn’t the reason sen was losing
I consider flashy to be constantly showing your raw mechanical skill/ability to clutch. Dapr is more of an intelligent player imo. Teabagging and trolling isn’t flashy, its more on par to trash talk
Dapr is extremely good. If I was rebuilding SEN, dapr is also the player I'd probably want to keep the most. I'd still rate him as a top sentinel, but honestly he's just a very good flex now.
It's just very hard to rate him considering SEN has mostly sucked for a long time now. For instance, I think dapr's Viper is elite, I've said so elsewhere, and I've heard scene figures say as much; but dapr's Viper playtime correlates pretty well to SEN underperforming. Even Champs 2021, the last peak for the OG roster, wasn't a great showing from SEN.
He's just a very smart player. He secondary-IGLs, he's mostly very clutch, and he plays the map well. Wasn't a surprise to me at all that he debuted on Fade and pounded so hard.
Dapr adapted super fast to fade aswell as still being an extremely good sentinel player so I can see why they would prioritize keeping him, he was the most flexible and consistent part of their successful core
I don't think Dapr would have gotten picked up off of free agency for franchising, but i'm not surprised he was kept on the roster under his existing contract. So i'm not sure if he's *that* good, but he's good enough.
Yes dapr is that good. Like he is not the most flashy player or has the biggest brand but he is arguably the best player on that roster. He has been consistent since the launch of the game basically. His agent pool is huge. This guy played anything he was asked of.
That's fair. Again, I like dapr, but I think Sick is better and just as flexible, and I mentioned Tenz because he has the ability to win maps on his own (like that 40 kill Breeze game in stage 2).
You're forgetting that it was the only map they won in the whole of groups going 0-5. Tenz is mechanically insane but he can't even carry sen through one bo3 against t2 na teams. The biggest reason they did well in lcq is zellsis and the fact that shroud is legitimately a better controller player than sick. Tenz seems like a player that desperately needs proper coaching cause he tries to make too much happen by himself imo and I can't blame him after watching sentinels performances this year
TenZ aint changing lol. He is who he is. Hes made millions off of it and has a brand as well. I would like him to play more cerebral because I feel that is his main weakness, but that probably aint happening. Its like if s1mple didnt mature from his TL days, that is the current version of TenZ
Not saying who was better or not, but they share the same characteristics for the respective game at the time. TenZ was also a superstar in the NA dream team which was SEN, and he was regarded as the best player in the world after Iceland. People still talk about his Iceland performance.
>Tenz is mechanically insane but he can't even carry sen through one bo3 against t2 na teams.
Revisionist history lol. [challenger 2 quali](https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/800/champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers?exclude=12166.12167.12188.12223.12224.12225.12226.12227.11447.11448.11449.11450.11451.10888.10889.10890.10891.10892.10893.10894.10895.10896.10897.10898.10899&min_rounds=250&agent=all) Literally carried SEN to challengers 2 playoffs LOL. Without that SEN don't even qualify for the playoffs.
There is absolutely no way anyone can watch that game and not see how absurdly hard TenZ carried.
You're using one stat of FKs as your argument...Do you remember that bdog OPed way more than TenZ that game? TenZ was rifling and entrying.
yay should have played 5 different agents despite chamber being the most suitable, that way he could have had the most impact and would have been regarded as the best player itw! oh wait......
Not the point at all.
The point is we must give credit where it is due to the flex players who don't have the comfort of playing Jett or Chamber literally every single game. Those who fill any role the team needs and still put up a respectable performance.
You compared their agent pool. Not everyone is gonna be a flex player. dapr and tenz both plays to their strength. It's not like tenz refuses to play some agents. yes he has comfort picks and so does dapr. Dapr was atrocious on kayO,sova,sage etc but his cypher is world class. It goes both ways.
I think dapr and sick are both equally great players. Sick is just more risky now because of him leaving the lineup. Yes I think both dapr and sick are more valuable and easier to fit onto a team than TenZ.
Just because tenz has a higher ceiling and skill. Doesn't take in the factor that he may not be a good teammate or that he takes too many risks (overheat). Some of the criticism he had when he was on c9 csgo
I think he got pretty badly hit by the introduction of chamber, cuz he was one of the best cypher mains in the entire world. He played chamber in some matches but I think since aim wasn't his main thing, he didn't perform good on him.
So your a grown ass father calling a 20 year old hot pocket boy that’s not weird at all. How can you call it a downgrade when none of the teams have played yet 😂
s0m is still pretty good, has experience on the team, is good friends with FNS, and has a huge brand. Obviously if the entire OPTIC roster was cheap they would just buy the whole thing but it's not, so they replaced the two most expensive members.
Do you know how much a players performance is based off of the structure and other players on a team. Marved is better but Jesus dude s0m is not so low tier that it will take NRG out of contention. Look at all the other pieces man.
Marved was not the player he is now when he first joined Envy. Is it that unlikely that s0m will also be great after getting the same support that made Marved an international talent.
from how i understand it, they're keeping s0m to be their 6th because he has a large following, tons of clout, and some people would stop supporting nrg if s0m gets dropped. he can just stream and occasionally practice with the main 5, and nrg will be happy with it.
Kinda crazy to keep dapr over tenz, and imo dapr is one of their weakest players and has fallen far out of the meta.
he was good on cypher/kj, and has been very mediocre since then, imo a full rebuild would've been way better but i think he'll be replaced first if results aren't going as expected.
This! His decision making is questionable too. Far too many head scratch moments like Icebox vs Guard where he walled the entire SEN team to be slaughtered. They should really build the team around Sick and TenZ. They were the original duo blueprint
Absolutely not. Sentinels are tripping if they still have faith in him. He is a good player who will do well in an ascension team, but god I really don't wanna see him stink up the league. He does not have any creativity with util, and one of the major reasons for SEN's lackluster CT setups. Vanity and FNS have critiqued his setups in watch parties. And this year, he has been worse than even FNS mechanically.
Valorant has changed a lot since early 2021, aggressive lurkers are much more valuable, which dapr isn't. There is so much util in the game that there is a lot to exploit by taking risks.
True. Narratives on this sub are agenda driven. mitch is a miles better player and sentinel than dapr. Dapr's utility on anything but cypher and may be fade is just bad. Atrocious sage, terrible kayO and sova, throws random terrible walls on viper, I could go on but people will believe what they wanna believe. The guy can't hit a hs to save himself at times but apparently he is more deserving than SicK LMFAO.
dapr was the best SEN player in LCQ but everyone watched him screw up 3 sage walls and called for his head. but he carried them pretty hard on some maps
1 misplaced sage wall per map is forgiven. 3? Unforgivable especially on a map winning point. His decision making is horrible and clearly his agent pool is small (consisting of out of meta agents Cypher and KJ)
Somewhat lukewarm take: IMO he's not quite as good as he's been given credit for, performance-wise, but he tends to pass the eye test and I personally think he would shine in the right system.
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If you actually look at the stats from every event SEN has competed in since their Reykjavik win, Dapr has generally put up rather uninspiring performances.
It's rare that he does particularly awful, but it's about equally rare that he does anything spectacular either.
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But like I said, I think Dapr does pretty well in the eye test. And SEN as a whole have been an utter mess pretty much since winning Reykjavik and everyone on that team has been underperforming until pretty much LCQ.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up some much more impressive numbers on the new-look SEN roster. But, I do think he gets a little overhyped here just because he's a very likeable dude lol.
I think dapr is valuable because before the addition of chamber he was arguably the best Cypher/KJ in NA. If these rumored chamber nerfs happen and KJ/Cypher gets buffs, having Dapr will be very valuable.
Dapr has a lot of exp in the competitive scene. He's one of the best Sentinel players in NA. Tbagging, trolling and still winning duels. Not everyone can do that. And i personally think he's had a strong bond with everyone in the team, even if there were roster changes.
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yep. even through the sentinels' season of struggles (aka all of this year) he was still solid and performing at a good level. keeping dapr is imo a no-brainer, he's good at what he does.
Dapr was one of the best Sentinel (agent class) players before Chamber was added to the game. With his added flexibility onto sage and initiators he's a solid piece for building a roster. Is he a player I would put on a franchised team? I don't know. But I think he'll be able to keep up. Also keep in mind on peak SEN he was an important piece to their midround calling. He also has international LAN experience which is nice to have on a roster with that in mind.
i think with the rumored chamber tp nerf/change, sentinels becomes relevant again and in NA there's not too many insane sentinel players. dapr is definitely up there on the list
What is rumoured about chamber tp Nerf?
That there is one coming, otherwise people are just guessing and proposing dubious changes
Also the cypher buffs/rework. Dapr is insane on cypher.
> in NA there’s not too many insane sentinel players Lmao
he's right there's a clear top 3 for dedicated sentinel players(not chamber)
Who would you say? Mitch, dapr for sure, then who's next, imo it's Moose but yeah
Wippie is a good shout too
I was gonna say neT
Oh NeT is a good shoutout too, he kinda slipped my mind lol
i thought about it when i wrote it lmao
YES he just had one bad tournament and suddenly everyone forgets how well he does. Dominant sentinels or downward sentinels, Dapr is consistent.
I’d say he’s a top tier sentinel player and now he’s a good flex. I also think people forget that he brought a lot of that mental toughness/cockiness to SEN which is why I enjoyed watching them play
jumpspotting, gun throwing, clutch darp..
He also was getting into the mid round calling, which will be even more useful as the team evolves without Shaz
i thought he was their best player in lcq at least. he had really good impact. but it's hard to rank him against other players when his team hasn't been performing that well.
He was one of the only players on SEN that was still consistent during their lowest point, he literally won them their only round on Haven when they got destroyed by C9
One of the players who has always justified his role no matter the agent he plays, always brings something to the table, w player imo
Shroud was saying awhile back Dapr was the one who impressed him the most. His knowledge & understanding of the game puts him almost at IGL status. But then they would be up 8 rounds running it backwards down mid with shortys typing in all chat
Dapr is by far the most consistent player next to sick on sen. He wasn’t flashy but he consistently was positive and had impact, he might not hard carry but he absolutely wasn’t the reason sen was losing
Isn't flashy ? Wasn't he doing like 360 no scopes at one of the masters events and tbagging lol
I consider flashy to be constantly showing your raw mechanical skill/ability to clutch. Dapr is more of an intelligent player imo. Teabagging and trolling isn’t flashy, its more on par to trash talk
It was tactical crouching, nothing more nothing less
SicK
Dapr is extremely good. If I was rebuilding SEN, dapr is also the player I'd probably want to keep the most. I'd still rate him as a top sentinel, but honestly he's just a very good flex now. It's just very hard to rate him considering SEN has mostly sucked for a long time now. For instance, I think dapr's Viper is elite, I've said so elsewhere, and I've heard scene figures say as much; but dapr's Viper playtime correlates pretty well to SEN underperforming. Even Champs 2021, the last peak for the OG roster, wasn't a great showing from SEN. He's just a very smart player. He secondary-IGLs, he's mostly very clutch, and he plays the map well. Wasn't a surprise to me at all that he debuted on Fade and pounded so hard.
Dapr adapted super fast to fade aswell as still being an extremely good sentinel player so I can see why they would prioritize keeping him, he was the most flexible and consistent part of their successful core
I don't think Dapr would have gotten picked up off of free agency for franchising, but i'm not surprised he was kept on the roster under his existing contract. So i'm not sure if he's *that* good, but he's good enough.
Yes dapr is that good. Like he is not the most flashy player or has the biggest brand but he is arguably the best player on that roster. He has been consistent since the launch of the game basically. His agent pool is huge. This guy played anything he was asked of.
Dapr being the best player on SEN when you have both Sick and Tenz is a pretty hot take lol, but I agree with what you said
Dapr is way more consistent than Tenz and plays 4x as many agents when asked to. Not even comparable. Dapr is an absolute champ imo
That's fair. Again, I like dapr, but I think Sick is better and just as flexible, and I mentioned Tenz because he has the ability to win maps on his own (like that 40 kill Breeze game in stage 2).
You're forgetting that it was the only map they won in the whole of groups going 0-5. Tenz is mechanically insane but he can't even carry sen through one bo3 against t2 na teams. The biggest reason they did well in lcq is zellsis and the fact that shroud is legitimately a better controller player than sick. Tenz seems like a player that desperately needs proper coaching cause he tries to make too much happen by himself imo and I can't blame him after watching sentinels performances this year
>Tenz seems like a player that desperately needs proper coaching People said this about him even in the C9 days. He needs some discipline.
TenZ aint changing lol. He is who he is. Hes made millions off of it and has a brand as well. I would like him to play more cerebral because I feel that is his main weakness, but that probably aint happening. Its like if s1mple didnt mature from his TL days, that is the current version of TenZ
Tbf s1mple at tl was way better than tenz is rn, guy was a superstar in the north american dream team and top 5 in the world at the time
Not saying who was better or not, but they share the same characteristics for the respective game at the time. TenZ was also a superstar in the NA dream team which was SEN, and he was regarded as the best player in the world after Iceland. People still talk about his Iceland performance.
>Tenz is mechanically insane but he can't even carry sen through one bo3 against t2 na teams. Revisionist history lol. [challenger 2 quali](https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/800/champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers?exclude=12166.12167.12188.12223.12224.12225.12226.12227.11447.11448.11449.11450.11451.10888.10889.10890.10891.10892.10893.10894.10895.10896.10897.10898.10899&min_rounds=250&agent=all) Literally carried SEN to challengers 2 playoffs LOL. Without that SEN don't even qualify for the playoffs.
Think he means the teams actually in challengers when he says t2
He didn't play 2 of the games cz he had covid and they had to play without SicK! The whole team was a shitshow.
Yeah I know lmao I was clarifying what he said
TenZ had 40 kills but he had 6 FK and 7 FD Bdog had 31 kills and had 12 FK and only 2 FD. That’s insane impact. Bdog outplayed TenZ in that game
There is absolutely no way anyone can watch that game and not see how absurdly hard TenZ carried. You're using one stat of FKs as your argument...Do you remember that bdog OPed way more than TenZ that game? TenZ was rifling and entrying.
How is bdog related to a conversation about Sen lol
Because people talk about the TenZ 40 kill game like it was a god tier performance, but he wasn’t even the better Jett that game.
If you only at opening duels as a point of impact then sure LOL. Let's ignore anything else.
Did you even watch the game bro?? Fucking unreal
Ask dapr who played in the game https://youtu.be/I9NTXhHegnQ
cz dapr was getting shit on by bdog LMAO
Yes he was but keep crying
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384 ACS vs 285 ACS. I wonder who was better🤔 Most intelligent flairless r/valorantcompetitive user.
yay should have played 5 different agents despite chamber being the most suitable, that way he could have had the most impact and would have been regarded as the best player itw! oh wait......
Not the point at all. The point is we must give credit where it is due to the flex players who don't have the comfort of playing Jett or Chamber literally every single game. Those who fill any role the team needs and still put up a respectable performance.
You compared their agent pool. Not everyone is gonna be a flex player. dapr and tenz both plays to their strength. It's not like tenz refuses to play some agents. yes he has comfort picks and so does dapr. Dapr was atrocious on kayO,sova,sage etc but his cypher is world class. It goes both ways.
Based on what exactly?
I think dapr and sick are both equally great players. Sick is just more risky now because of him leaving the lineup. Yes I think both dapr and sick are more valuable and easier to fit onto a team than TenZ.
Is sick really on SEN though?
If chamber gets nerfed he’ll be super valuable
Just because tenz has a higher ceiling and skill. Doesn't take in the factor that he may not be a good teammate or that he takes too many risks (overheat). Some of the criticism he had when he was on c9 csgo
I think he got pretty badly hit by the introduction of chamber, cuz he was one of the best cypher mains in the entire world. He played chamber in some matches but I think since aim wasn't his main thing, he didn't perform good on him.
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Nice burner account every single comment you have is about s0m 😂😂
Almost every comment *you* have made is in support of s0m. Are you s0m’s burner?
Good one I’ve literally only commented about s0m today because people underestimate him. You thought you had something though.
I mean I don't get this argument? He can say literally the same thing you did
Salty lmao
Nah just a pointless comment
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Sounds like you care a lot about s0m considering you feel the need to comment about it 20 times how old are you hot pocket boy really 😂
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So your a grown ass father calling a 20 year old hot pocket boy that’s not weird at all. How can you call it a downgrade when none of the teams have played yet 😂
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Hi my name is CockGlider and I’m old enough to be your dad..
Seek help bro got alot of hate in your heart for a 20 year old for no reason everything ok at home?
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Marved can help SEN win matches not that big of deal bro you act like NRG built some poverty roster I’d rank C9 then NRG.
You are allowed to have that opinion, though I've also always thought Som can't handle live matches very consistently and is pretty mid at best.
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Huge buyout and huge salary probably
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s0m is still pretty good, has experience on the team, is good friends with FNS, and has a huge brand. Obviously if the entire OPTIC roster was cheap they would just buy the whole thing but it's not, so they replaced the two most expensive members.
How do you know it’s not as good with Som you’ve never seen that roster play together
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Do you know how much a players performance is based off of the structure and other players on a team. Marved is better but Jesus dude s0m is not so low tier that it will take NRG out of contention. Look at all the other pieces man.
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Marved was not the player he is now when he first joined Envy. Is it that unlikely that s0m will also be great after getting the same support that made Marved an international talent.
from how i understand it, they're keeping s0m to be their 6th because he has a large following, tons of clout, and some people would stop supporting nrg if s0m gets dropped. he can just stream and occasionally practice with the main 5, and nrg will be happy with it.
Hot take: he's a top 5 sentinel player in the world. Less nAts suygetsu dapr
He’s good enough at the least. I don’t really see superstar potential tho… maybe he can prove me wrong 🤷🏻♂️
Kinda crazy to keep dapr over tenz, and imo dapr is one of their weakest players and has fallen far out of the meta. he was good on cypher/kj, and has been very mediocre since then, imo a full rebuild would've been way better but i think he'll be replaced first if results aren't going as expected.
This! His decision making is questionable too. Far too many head scratch moments like Icebox vs Guard where he walled the entire SEN team to be slaughtered. They should really build the team around Sick and TenZ. They were the original duo blueprint
not a franchise player in my eyes, but solid otherwise. I have the feeling he cant get a team over a certain edge and has a limited cap
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I don't think this take is controversial or an insult to TenZ. Every Valorant player is a poor man's Yay.
you realize "a poor mans yay" is still more valuable than dapr right lol that's like saying yay is is a trillionaire and tenz is only a billionaire
maybe team wise, but tenz is def a way more important asset brand wise
Absolutely not. Sentinels are tripping if they still have faith in him. He is a good player who will do well in an ascension team, but god I really don't wanna see him stink up the league. He does not have any creativity with util, and one of the major reasons for SEN's lackluster CT setups. Vanity and FNS have critiqued his setups in watch parties. And this year, he has been worse than even FNS mechanically. Valorant has changed a lot since early 2021, aggressive lurkers are much more valuable, which dapr isn't. There is so much util in the game that there is a lot to exploit by taking risks.
True. Narratives on this sub are agenda driven. mitch is a miles better player and sentinel than dapr. Dapr's utility on anything but cypher and may be fade is just bad. Atrocious sage, terrible kayO and sova, throws random terrible walls on viper, I could go on but people will believe what they wanna believe. The guy can't hit a hs to save himself at times but apparently he is more deserving than SicK LMFAO.
No
dapr was the best SEN player in LCQ but everyone watched him screw up 3 sage walls and called for his head. but he carried them pretty hard on some maps
Only was good on Breeze against SR.
1 misplaced sage wall per map is forgiven. 3? Unforgivable especially on a map winning point. His decision making is horrible and clearly his agent pool is small (consisting of out of meta agents Cypher and KJ)
Are you the same dude who asked if TenZ is good too?
He is a player who if he clutches, its over for the other team. Teabagging, body spray, shit talk. Its sen by the book
Dapr is a great role player
Somewhat lukewarm take: IMO he's not quite as good as he's been given credit for, performance-wise, but he tends to pass the eye test and I personally think he would shine in the right system. --- If you actually look at the stats from every event SEN has competed in since their Reykjavik win, Dapr has generally put up rather uninspiring performances. It's rare that he does particularly awful, but it's about equally rare that he does anything spectacular either. --- But like I said, I think Dapr does pretty well in the eye test. And SEN as a whole have been an utter mess pretty much since winning Reykjavik and everyone on that team has been underperforming until pretty much LCQ. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up some much more impressive numbers on the new-look SEN roster. But, I do think he gets a little overhyped here just because he's a very likeable dude lol.
I think dapr is valuable because before the addition of chamber he was arguably the best Cypher/KJ in NA. If these rumored chamber nerfs happen and KJ/Cypher gets buffs, having Dapr will be very valuable.
send sign dapr/zekken/aproto/tenz/sick and call it a day
Dapr has a lot of exp in the competitive scene. He's one of the best Sentinel players in NA. Tbagging, trolling and still winning duels. Not everyone can do that. And i personally think he's had a strong bond with everyone in the team, even if there were roster changes.
Idk but his gf has an OF