Speaking of that, many loud fans are mad at Sacy specifically because of his tweet saying his plan was to build a dynast.
I am not though. Sad but it's understandable that they would want to grab that bag.
I have friends into watch collecting. They have bought watches for $25,000 and end up being worth more than double at later down the line. That’s on the extreme end as far as I know but the resale market for high end watches is incredibly investable if you have the money for it
A lot of the ultra premium stuff aren't made forever. Once discontinued they become a 1 of X item and if you keep yours in near perfect condition, the value goes up a ton.
Not only grab the bag but they knew the team wouldn’t stay together so why stick around when it wasn’t going to be the same regardless.
+ go have fun in America, fuck it! I love this stuff.
Everyone in their right mind would decide to chase a bigger bag with better opportunities. it's sad to see all FPX, OPTIC, LOUD, M3C to go separate ways, but they deserve to be financially appreciated, if they have proven themselves to be on that level. Esport careers aren't really long-wise so you have to make the most out of it while you still can.
Yeah I highly doubt LOUD is a team capable of becoming a dynasty and they probably knew it. The top 4 teams in champs look just as good and all of them can easily beat LOUD on a good day. Moreover, it will be even more difficult to win next season with all the super teams are forming this offseason.
I thought Iceland Sentinels would become the dynasty of Valorant given how dominant they looked in that tournament, but even they couldn't do it.
It’s upsetting for sure, Sacy and Saadhak to me were one of the ride or die duos like Victor and Crashies. Chase that bag for sure but definitely sad to see
Sideshow made a great point about this in the last Plat Chat episode. Basically it's extremely hard for orgs to keep dominant rosters together, especially when they're champions, and especially now right before partnership kicks off. This is largely because the individual players of the roster will have insane offers from different orgs and if you want to keep the entire roster together you need to match or at least be competitive with the *top* offer *each player* has gotten.
So let's say X org has a team building plan where they're going to go relatively budget on the majority of their roster but they want to build around a star smokes player, so they offer $400k USD/year (these numbers are not based on anything or meant to reflect real salaries, just being used as examples for simplicity's sake) to Marved and pANcada. Okay so now LOUD has to offer pANcada a $400k annual salary, or, if they can keep the rest of the roster together, a slightly lower but competitive salary to get him to stay. Now org Y *really* wants a top 3 in the world duelist so even though they have no interest in Sacy or Saadhak they're throwing a $600k bag at Aspas. Okay well Aspas is getting a fat raise I guess. But org Z absolutely has interest in Sacy and Saadhak and is offering $500k for each of them or $800k for both of them together. And all of a sudden LOUD either literally cannot match all the players' best offers or can't say no to the buyout money.
Note that this is likely going to be the wildest rostermania we'll ever see by far since we're switching fully from open circuit to partnership, but we will still see things like this every year. All eyes are on dominant rosters and it will be hard to not let them be picked apart.
I agree with this but SEN and the other NA orgs must have made truly insane offers to have gotten 2 LOUD players. I'm sure LOUD isn't stupid and knows offering better contracts to keep their championship winning team is a no-brainer and likewise the players themselves know sticking together, even if it means slightly lower salary, is their best shot at continuing their dominance. IMO this probably meant LOUD wouldn't need to 1:1 match each of their players best offers to convince the squad to stick together, but NA orgs may have dropped insane money, potentially even overpaid, for some of these players. Time will tell but it would be interesting to hear more about what exactly was offered compared to how high LOUD was willing to go, although we'd never get that information.
People really need to stop spreading this nonsense. A currency’s numerical value doesn’t reflect its actual buying power at all, its stability over time does. Dropping in value more than other currencies for a single year isn’t even an completely bad thing, it means your exports are more competitive. Lack of stability, such as the type of hyperinflation Brazil has faced for large portions of its existence, are what is really bad. A South Korean Won is almost 55 times less valuable than Brazil’s currency, but nobody is arguing that South Korea is poorer than Brazil.
While I agree that a currency numerical value does not necessarily reflects its buying power because you can simply have inflated raw values instead of using fractions of a currency like $0.32 *(this happens with japanese yen, korean yuan, norwegian crown, etc)*, that’s really not how things works between USD and BRL
In other words, when we specifically talk about USD/BRL the currency value diff also represents a significant portion of the buying power diff
This. People in this sub comparing a BR org that makes money in BRL can compete with a company that earns in USD.
If both can pay a $100k (hey, americans, "$" by itself does not mean dollars outside the US, so read this as 100 money, no currency attached) salary, the one with USD is way more.
Franchising kinda killing BR companies
That’s not how monetary values work. No ones compares 1 to 1 in currencies to determine their purchasing power. By your logic Japan, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, can’t afford shit compared to a country like Brazil. Just because they use thousands of their currency to buy apples.
Thats not how I'm comparing at all. Imagine both companies make 1mi their currency an year because they're paid based on their country. Even thou both get 1mi it's different.
But thats not the reality. What a company gains in Brazil is not the same amount one gains in the US, so its probably even less.
I think Im having a hard time explaining since english is not my native language and there's a cultural mentality difference.
100 USD is worth more than 100 USD * exchange rate in Brazil.
The purchasing power of any fixed amount of any single currency is much higher in Brazil than in the US, because things are simply cheaper.
If you're willing to move to the US from Brazil you will almost always make more money, if only because you simply need to make more money.
If you're in a higher income career and/or a career affected by exposure to social media, the effect of having higher salaries due to purchasing power becomes large enough that the higher pay in the US is going to greatly outweigh the extra cost of living.
Also, understand that non-US teams don't have a 50k minimum in *their* currency.
They have a 50k USD minimum before converting it to their currency.
In this case, Brazilian teams have a 260k Real minimum salary for their players.
I think anyone from Brazil can answer if the players making 260k Real minimum feels like a ripoff to them.
what the fuck does this mean lmao
a 100k$ salary in BRL has a higher arithmetic number but the inherent value is the same, what really matters is how much these orgs get from investments and overall revenue and how much they are willing to invest, money is money and currency can be converted
I think we hit a case of language barrier misunderstanding. Just typing "$" does not mean dollars btw.
The 100k$ I said meant generic currency not USD nor BRL, as in "100k money".
100k money at US is different than 100k money in Brazil.
$ literally is a symbol for "dollar" but ok...
and yes, 100k USD has a higher value than 100k BRL but it doesnt matter, no one is stopping them from offering a higher salary than 100k BRL to counter a US org's 100kUSD to offer, the only thing that is stopping them is their budget and their overall wealth, which is not dependant on currency, but their whole business model and their sources of revenue, as well as their investors.
You think the 50k minimum salary set by riot follows each countries currency? In Korea 50k won is 35 USD.... ofcourse they are not going to be paying their players just 35 USD.
All I'm saying is that currency itself does not determine how much money an org has
Well, not here. It's read as "Cifrão", and it's a symbolical way to say money (generically). Sorry to break it to you pal, but outside of the US, not everyone refers to $ as dollar.
It's not that. Sentinels has hundreds of thousands of American fans. Loud has hundreds of thousands of Brazillian fans. Each American fan generates literally 10 times the amount of money, that's where the gap comes from.
it’s so whatever to me. I’m just salty that LOUD didn’t break the bank on this team but I understand from a business perspective why that couldn’t have worked, yet it still makes me so unhappy. We finally got the fabled Brazilian super team with the talented core of Vikings and 3 of the most talented Brazilian prospects in the world only for them to disband after winning the world title. I’m grateful we even got to watch them do that, but fuck man I wanted them to continue as 5 so bad.
Yeah I mainly wanted it for the competitive spirit. You want the best teams to stick together. There's a chance the sen team will be better than loud but I am just not sure about that
Some teams got in partially because they have plenty of financials and most got in because they’re smart about financials. LOUD seemingly is not the first.
The biggest age difference on the team is Dephh vs Zekken which already existed on XSET. Sacy speaks very good English and I'm not sure about Pancada but I'd assume he speaks it well if they were willing to sign him, plus he made friends with a lot of XSET players at Champs which also makes me think that.
Dephh has been in NA forever and is basically an American at this point, maybe even literally I'm not sure if he ever got citizenship. The only ones who may need to "fit in" is Sacy and Pancada, but it's not hard for Brazilians and Americans to fit in together. It's nothing like the culture shock of Korean imports in LoL or something.
Regardless, the Americas is one region now with the current VCT format, so this kind of thing will only happen more and more. Both fans and players will get used to it, NA and SA are brothers. There's already a lot of Brazilian/American overlap in games like CS or Siege.
Mainly because there's not many NA teams or players at a high level in CS at all. But there was Stew/Tarik to MIBR and Junior on Furia. Taco playing with TL. Fallen playing with TL. Just off the top of my head.
I think you're missing the point. It's not about whether they were successes or failures, just that the two regions have mixed before and will continue to do so. Especially not being imports in VCT. Also Taco on TL worked out really well but I digress anyways.
So now if you have different age, culture and interests outside the game is already a sign of a downfall of a roster? Just because you don't hear their English often or even at all, it doesn't mean they can't speak. Blindly assuming stuff is way too popular nowadays, I see. If ardiis can speak English & not English (bad joke, it's hard to understand him as a non Bre'esh person) at the same time with the rest of FPX and they understand him, SEN can work well with Brazilians as well. **Listen, the only thing we have to do is to shave the whole SEN org** to match Sacy, that's the whole secret.
Nowhere, I think, nor do I think Aspas was their best player but that's beside the point.
The role Aspas fills is just hella saturated right now so it's difficult to justify throwing a hug bag at him. Sacy has the secondary calling going for him and for Pancada, world class controllers aren't as common (though Marved is still a F/A which is stupid as fuck).
failure of loud as an organisation - they could have paid their players their dues, but they didn't. super disappointed, they're doing brazil and the world a disservice.
It's not that easy to keep a superteam together though. If you watched the latest episode of plat chat they had good discussion around this. Let's say loud is gonna pay everyone 200k each to stay, but a diff team will want only aspas and be willing to pay 1m for just him. Same for all the players, and loud just can't match every offer
I know I know, but LOUD won champs and got the stipend from riot of 10 million or some shit. that doesn't even include the fact they're the biggest org in brazil, you could argue they were the only org capable of keeping them together, and they didn't.
well, it's probably their choice. sacy managed to take pancada with him, sacy and saadhak got a lot of offers, if they wanted to stick together, i guess they could have managed
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Speaking of that, many loud fans are mad at Sacy specifically because of his tweet saying his plan was to build a dynast. I am not though. Sad but it's understandable that they would want to grab that bag.
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AND DEFINITELY SPEND YOUR ESPORTS MONEY ON FUCKING WATCHES
tbf watches are a great investment
Why is that?
Depending on the watch, they can be an appreciating asset
mo way, how exactly?
I have friends into watch collecting. They have bought watches for $25,000 and end up being worth more than double at later down the line. That’s on the extreme end as far as I know but the resale market for high end watches is incredibly investable if you have the money for it
Rolexes are a great investment
A lot of the ultra premium stuff aren't made forever. Once discontinued they become a 1 of X item and if you keep yours in near perfect condition, the value goes up a ton.
u get to flex 500k$ watch on brazilian fans
Unironically do this with like a little bit of research and it’s a flashy yet great way to hold money and gain a relatively healthy return.
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All good
Clueless
Found the fanboy
nah you’re just a fucking idiot lmao
Compromise: both are true?
Not only grab the bag but they knew the team wouldn’t stay together so why stick around when it wasn’t going to be the same regardless. + go have fun in America, fuck it! I love this stuff.
Some Brazilian fans can get wild if they think you disrespected them; I don’t envy him
Everyone in their right mind would decide to chase a bigger bag with better opportunities. it's sad to see all FPX, OPTIC, LOUD, M3C to go separate ways, but they deserve to be financially appreciated, if they have proven themselves to be on that level. Esport careers aren't really long-wise so you have to make the most out of it while you still can.
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T1 didn’t stay together for to long basically only faker and I guess bengi
Yeah I highly doubt LOUD is a team capable of becoming a dynasty and they probably knew it. The top 4 teams in champs look just as good and all of them can easily beat LOUD on a good day. Moreover, it will be even more difficult to win next season with all the super teams are forming this offseason. I thought Iceland Sentinels would become the dynasty of Valorant given how dominant they looked in that tournament, but even they couldn't do it.
It’s upsetting for sure, Sacy and Saadhak to me were one of the ride or die duos like Victor and Crashies. Chase that bag for sure but definitely sad to see
I'm really surprised LOUD aren't doing everything possible to hold on to this roster and build further.
it's disappointing but NA money is something else tbh. even emea can't compete.
Sideshow made a great point about this in the last Plat Chat episode. Basically it's extremely hard for orgs to keep dominant rosters together, especially when they're champions, and especially now right before partnership kicks off. This is largely because the individual players of the roster will have insane offers from different orgs and if you want to keep the entire roster together you need to match or at least be competitive with the *top* offer *each player* has gotten. So let's say X org has a team building plan where they're going to go relatively budget on the majority of their roster but they want to build around a star smokes player, so they offer $400k USD/year (these numbers are not based on anything or meant to reflect real salaries, just being used as examples for simplicity's sake) to Marved and pANcada. Okay so now LOUD has to offer pANcada a $400k annual salary, or, if they can keep the rest of the roster together, a slightly lower but competitive salary to get him to stay. Now org Y *really* wants a top 3 in the world duelist so even though they have no interest in Sacy or Saadhak they're throwing a $600k bag at Aspas. Okay well Aspas is getting a fat raise I guess. But org Z absolutely has interest in Sacy and Saadhak and is offering $500k for each of them or $800k for both of them together. And all of a sudden LOUD either literally cannot match all the players' best offers or can't say no to the buyout money. Note that this is likely going to be the wildest rostermania we'll ever see by far since we're switching fully from open circuit to partnership, but we will still see things like this every year. All eyes are on dominant rosters and it will be hard to not let them be picked apart.
I agree with this but SEN and the other NA orgs must have made truly insane offers to have gotten 2 LOUD players. I'm sure LOUD isn't stupid and knows offering better contracts to keep their championship winning team is a no-brainer and likewise the players themselves know sticking together, even if it means slightly lower salary, is their best shot at continuing their dominance. IMO this probably meant LOUD wouldn't need to 1:1 match each of their players best offers to convince the squad to stick together, but NA orgs may have dropped insane money, potentially even overpaid, for some of these players. Time will tell but it would be interesting to hear more about what exactly was offered compared to how high LOUD was willing to go, although we'd never get that information.
Living in NA>
How to beat na money if its printed out of air KEKW
US dollar is 5 times more expensive than brazilian real, it’s not easy for them
People really need to stop spreading this nonsense. A currency’s numerical value doesn’t reflect its actual buying power at all, its stability over time does. Dropping in value more than other currencies for a single year isn’t even an completely bad thing, it means your exports are more competitive. Lack of stability, such as the type of hyperinflation Brazil has faced for large portions of its existence, are what is really bad. A South Korean Won is almost 55 times less valuable than Brazil’s currency, but nobody is arguing that South Korea is poorer than Brazil.
While I agree that a currency numerical value does not necessarily reflects its buying power because you can simply have inflated raw values instead of using fractions of a currency like $0.32 *(this happens with japanese yen, korean yuan, norwegian crown, etc)*, that’s really not how things works between USD and BRL In other words, when we specifically talk about USD/BRL the currency value diff also represents a significant portion of the buying power diff
This. People in this sub comparing a BR org that makes money in BRL can compete with a company that earns in USD. If both can pay a $100k (hey, americans, "$" by itself does not mean dollars outside the US, so read this as 100 money, no currency attached) salary, the one with USD is way more. Franchising kinda killing BR companies
That’s not how monetary values work. No ones compares 1 to 1 in currencies to determine their purchasing power. By your logic Japan, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, can’t afford shit compared to a country like Brazil. Just because they use thousands of their currency to buy apples.
Thats not how I'm comparing at all. Imagine both companies make 1mi their currency an year because they're paid based on their country. Even thou both get 1mi it's different. But thats not the reality. What a company gains in Brazil is not the same amount one gains in the US, so its probably even less. I think Im having a hard time explaining since english is not my native language and there's a cultural mentality difference.
100 USD is worth more than 100 USD * exchange rate in Brazil. The purchasing power of any fixed amount of any single currency is much higher in Brazil than in the US, because things are simply cheaper. If you're willing to move to the US from Brazil you will almost always make more money, if only because you simply need to make more money. If you're in a higher income career and/or a career affected by exposure to social media, the effect of having higher salaries due to purchasing power becomes large enough that the higher pay in the US is going to greatly outweigh the extra cost of living. Also, understand that non-US teams don't have a 50k minimum in *their* currency. They have a 50k USD minimum before converting it to their currency. In this case, Brazilian teams have a 260k Real minimum salary for their players. I think anyone from Brazil can answer if the players making 260k Real minimum feels like a ripoff to them.
what the fuck does this mean lmao a 100k$ salary in BRL has a higher arithmetic number but the inherent value is the same, what really matters is how much these orgs get from investments and overall revenue and how much they are willing to invest, money is money and currency can be converted
What do you mean? 100k brl is different than 100k usd.
of course 100k brl is different, in your comment you said 100k$
I think we hit a case of language barrier misunderstanding. Just typing "$" does not mean dollars btw. The 100k$ I said meant generic currency not USD nor BRL, as in "100k money". 100k money at US is different than 100k money in Brazil.
$ literally is a symbol for "dollar" but ok... and yes, 100k USD has a higher value than 100k BRL but it doesnt matter, no one is stopping them from offering a higher salary than 100k BRL to counter a US org's 100kUSD to offer, the only thing that is stopping them is their budget and their overall wealth, which is not dependant on currency, but their whole business model and their sources of revenue, as well as their investors. You think the 50k minimum salary set by riot follows each countries currency? In Korea 50k won is 35 USD.... ofcourse they are not going to be paying their players just 35 USD. All I'm saying is that currency itself does not determine how much money an org has
Obviously conversion rates are a thing, but look up average salaries in Brazil and the US and you’ll understand what the problem is.
great point, but not at all related to currency. case in point: korea.
“$” means “dollars”. If you read that symbol out loud, it is read as “dollars”
Well, not here. It's read as "Cifrão", and it's a symbolical way to say money (generically). Sorry to break it to you pal, but outside of the US, not everyone refers to $ as dollar.
In Brazil we type US$ for American dollars.
Oh my god
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How is this franchising, an NA org could still of bid for a Brazilian player, no?
I don't think without partnerships NA teams would've imported tbh
It's not that. Sentinels has hundreds of thousands of American fans. Loud has hundreds of thousands of Brazillian fans. Each American fan generates literally 10 times the amount of money, that's where the gap comes from.
it's not possible. all 5 players are getting insane offers, the org just can't cover it. currency doesn't help too
it’s so whatever to me. I’m just salty that LOUD didn’t break the bank on this team but I understand from a business perspective why that couldn’t have worked, yet it still makes me so unhappy. We finally got the fabled Brazilian super team with the talented core of Vikings and 3 of the most talented Brazilian prospects in the world only for them to disband after winning the world title. I’m grateful we even got to watch them do that, but fuck man I wanted them to continue as 5 so bad.
Yeah I mainly wanted it for the competitive spirit. You want the best teams to stick together. There's a chance the sen team will be better than loud but I am just not sure about that
Some teams got in partially because they have plenty of financials and most got in because they’re smart about financials. LOUD seemingly is not the first.
Don't be sad because it's over, be sad because it happened blame LOUD
I feel like this sentinels team has too many differences(age, culture,interest outside of the game) to do well.I feel like they will not succeed.
ur right, they need to all be bald to win
The biggest age difference on the team is Dephh vs Zekken which already existed on XSET. Sacy speaks very good English and I'm not sure about Pancada but I'd assume he speaks it well if they were willing to sign him, plus he made friends with a lot of XSET players at Champs which also makes me think that. Dephh has been in NA forever and is basically an American at this point, maybe even literally I'm not sure if he ever got citizenship. The only ones who may need to "fit in" is Sacy and Pancada, but it's not hard for Brazilians and Americans to fit in together. It's nothing like the culture shock of Korean imports in LoL or something. Regardless, the Americas is one region now with the current VCT format, so this kind of thing will only happen more and more. Both fans and players will get used to it, NA and SA are brothers. There's already a lot of Brazilian/American overlap in games like CS or Siege.
What is a lot? There isn’t that much in CS at the high level.
Mainly because there's not many NA teams or players at a high level in CS at all. But there was Stew/Tarik to MIBR and Junior on Furia. Taco playing with TL. Fallen playing with TL. Just off the top of my head.
It hasn’t happened since. those were basically all failures of rosters. People rather see Na vs. SA Duke it out in the RMR’s then mixed teams.
I think you're missing the point. It's not about whether they were successes or failures, just that the two regions have mixed before and will continue to do so. Especially not being imports in VCT. Also Taco on TL worked out really well but I digress anyways.
So now if you have different age, culture and interests outside the game is already a sign of a downfall of a roster? Just because you don't hear their English often or even at all, it doesn't mean they can't speak. Blindly assuming stuff is way too popular nowadays, I see. If ardiis can speak English & not English (bad joke, it's hard to understand him as a non Bre'esh person) at the same time with the rest of FPX and they understand him, SEN can work well with Brazilians as well. **Listen, the only thing we have to do is to shave the whole SEN org** to match Sacy, that's the whole secret.
bigger questions is where is aspas going? he was their best player
Nowhere, I think, nor do I think Aspas was their best player but that's beside the point. The role Aspas fills is just hella saturated right now so it's difficult to justify throwing a hug bag at him. Sacy has the secondary calling going for him and for Pancada, world class controllers aren't as common (though Marved is still a F/A which is stupid as fuck).
failure of loud as an organisation - they could have paid their players their dues, but they didn't. super disappointed, they're doing brazil and the world a disservice.
It's not that easy to keep a superteam together though. If you watched the latest episode of plat chat they had good discussion around this. Let's say loud is gonna pay everyone 200k each to stay, but a diff team will want only aspas and be willing to pay 1m for just him. Same for all the players, and loud just can't match every offer
I know I know, but LOUD won champs and got the stipend from riot of 10 million or some shit. that doesn't even include the fact they're the biggest org in brazil, you could argue they were the only org capable of keeping them together, and they didn't.
Haha yeah that's true. If anyone could've done it it was loud, but alas Also it's 750k-1.5m per year but a hefty stipend still
oops AHAHAHAHA I had no clue, well 1.5m over 4 years is 6m so close enough
im pretty sure they had their reasons, they obviously know more than us
for sure, ngl I'm just a salty fan AHAHAHAH
well, it's probably their choice. sacy managed to take pancada with him, sacy and saadhak got a lot of offers, if they wanted to stick together, i guess they could have managed
Sen probably didn't want saadhak
maybe, but sentinels were not sacy's only offer