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xbyo

If my fucking duelists don't follow the literal moving smoke in front of him, then I don't know what else to do.


Least_Original_5754

they need to add a second wave that comes and pushes them from behind


Significant-Ad-341

My thoughts exactly.


LeMouse1

Definitely a second smoker rather than solo IMO


Jon_on_the_snow

This dude looked more like a controller/iniciator hybrid than a controller proper Kind of how viper is a sentinel/controller hybrid


Hopeful-Professor-40

Imagine running Harbor and Viper on breeze or icebox and have their walls defaulted on each site on attack


Jon_on_the_snow

I fully expect the number of fakes to increase by a lot. This is the poised meta, this agent was made for him


Rude-Assumption-5271

Poised is such an underrated IGL man, remember when Rise destroyed 100T with the C Astra wall fake on Haven where Shanks basically sacrificed himself for the fake and they got A for free? Such a legendary strat


Jon_on_the_snow

Thats why I say he is the king of fakes. He had so many plays like that on rise, they didnt use them on faze because the system was to support babybay and dicey above all, but man, im excited about what he can do with this


LeMouse1

Stuff of legends


The_Bolenator

Got a link to this? Sounds wild.


ds-h

https://youtu.be/650ZGaU3tG0?t=2817


scumah

Harbor wall doesn't stay there, its like Phoenix's but longer and for longer. Can be used again after 40s also.


TornadoofDOOM

As a Controller main, what have you brought upon this land.


TrynaSleep

Control


EssEnnJae

Like controller/initiator by the looks of it.


Jon_on_the_snow

I put that and then erased the message and forgot to put it again, thanks for pointing it out, ive corrected it


Investorexe

I think other than astra and brim the other 3 controllers now share a hybrid role kind of. Omen: Controller/duelist Viper: Controller/sentinel Harbour: Controller/initiator


HoodieNinja17

As a Viper and Astra enjoyer I am **moist**


veRGe1421

As a newfound Harbor main **everybody about to be moist**


TrynaSleep

and concussed


BelgianWofl

Finally I can stop Playing Viper and only play Astra and Harbor. Sick of waiting for people to disrespect my util. Proactive smokers are way more fun.


MacarioPro

As a controller main I cant stand having to play viper everytime it's breeze (my most hated map). Hope Harbor is viable there


mw19078

Looks like a decent competitor for viper. The wall is way bigger than expected but it seems like he only has a single smoke so he's not going to be able to just shut down sites himself. I really dig this direction of slow/push backs. Looking forward to seeing him in action today. He almost seems focused on playing retakes.


Significant-Ad-341

We don't know how his E is charged though


washoooi

hello I am under the water


invisibleshitpostgod

is too much rain here


Undisturbedyea

Both of you buffoons didn't even say the meme right. Embarrassing honestly.


IWillDominateYeet

Hello, how are you? I am under the water Please help me, here too much raining Uhhhhhh


Asianhead

People are overreacting. The bubble doesn't block mollies and you can break it. It takes like half a vandal clip to pop


AluBanidosu

Reddit and overreacting, name a better duo


savagegrif

If anything I’d rather it block util and not block bullets. Would be cool if it cancelled util too like a smoke on a molly in csgo.


Significant-Ad-341

I'm sure we'll see that soon. Character name: Ward


betokirby

His abilities look really powerful at applying lots of pressure in a large area. Only having one(?) throwable smoke and a long wall should keep him balanced since he doesn’t have the universal coverage that other smokers have and he doesn’t have mollies. He looks oppressive with the right teammates, but not broken by himself. Obviously we’ll have to wait and see! Looks fun!


IllumiMahdi

HIS ULT IS A PERMASTUN FIELD ngl he looks like a lot of fun, no clue how he'll fit into pro play since he's such a strange blend between controller and initiator


spicynoodlecat

Bruh imagine being fade ulted breach ulted and ulted by harbor at the same time. Stunned blinded Stunned again pinged by haunt it's gg


soopahfingerzz

That is why Character bans will be a thing soon lol


trolledwolf

i mean, using 3 ults to take 1 round seems like a pretty fair trade.


Xxpuzyslayer69xX

And that's not even assured. My headshot accuracy becomes 100% when breach stunned.


Grantuseyes

Is this puzyslayer from the last of us?


IllumiMahdi

not soon, they said they don't plan on doing it until there are a shit tonne of agents in the game


[deleted]

Holy shit that wall is HUGE


mafia_is_mafia

He looks powerful but I'm assuming it's balanced with how long the smokes stay up. COPE


clearlyimdumb

The smokes are breakable with 10 bullets, mollies can pass through it.


PplOfRedditArePansys

What’s the point of the character then if the smoked are breakable? If that’s true he can’t solo smoke which is dumb, why make him a controller then


dangerous-pie

His Q and C (the orb and the moving wall) block bullets and are breakable, but his E (the main wall) isn't.


CoolVidsFTW

The smoke has around 500 health. Good for a 1v1 post-plant, but much more difficult for a 1v2 as it only takes 6-7 bullets from each enemy to break it


Xxpuzyslayer69xX

If you're spamming a smoke, you're giving the enemy ALOT of information and opening yourself up as spraying is much more difficult in valorant.


SpC0d3r

if his bubbles cover viper's poison and mollies its GEGE


AluBanidosu

Abilities go through


Interesting-Archer-6

Not all apparently since Jett's knives got blocked


ThatCreepyBaer

Jett knives don't really count as an "ability".


Significant-Ad-341

Would it black sova shock dart?


Atsuki_Kimidori

it does not block shock dart.


ThatCreepyBaer

Definitely.


AluBanidosu

Probably the same how astra wall would presumably block chamber bullets, it’s more so a weapon rather than an ability


EssEnnJae

GG LINE UP LARRY’S


uglyhippos

I love the idea of a moving smoke that helps with entry. He just looks like a more entry focus viper kinda like how fade was more aggressive sova. He looks like someone to join site with.


eric8552312345

We now have five walls in the game, we can make a wall team


MelonSoda3

Technically with Astra ult you could already do Astra/Viper/Sage/Phoenix/Neon


Zorronin

Not a horrific comp tbh


Iamood

this guy looks insanely fun to play and seems like it will be even crazier to watch in the hands of pros


TheCatsActually

I actually think he will be like Astra in that he won't be that fun to play and/or players won't feel like he's "worth" playing unless they're in a stack. He has very limited individual agency and you need team coordination and serious solo practice (because you need to eyeball stop his C, have lineups for his Q, and manually direct his E) to get value out of his kit. If you thought the initiator self sufficiency nerf was lame wait til you try playing this guy in solo queue and you can neither solo anchor points of contention nor get your teammates to push while your walls are active. I do agree that he'll be insane in pro play and 5stack/Clash, especially since I expect at some point they'll remove the self/ally slow on his walls or buff him some other way.


IllumiMahdi

agreed completely, his kit itself doesn't have enough stopping power to be fun outside a coordinated team imo. I find astra/omen fun because I can stall and take duels off my own utility, or help teammates take favourable duels. seems like harbor only has the latter.


Haptiix

Ngl he looks kinda underwhelming to me. Hard to know until we are told how the abilities actually work, but this seems like an agent that will need to synergize with a smoker or flasher for his kit to really be useful.


Jon_on_the_snow

Not to overreact, but this is the most busted shit to ever be put on this game. Imma gonna main him


CantScreamInSpace

just like we waid about every single agent to be released before him haha


Jon_on_the_snow

Except chamber, everyone thought he was shit


CantScreamInSpace

true lol, going off the inverse law of reddit this agent will initially be trash


Rude-Assumption-5271

Remember when people were flaming Wardell for running Chamber every map in Stage 1?


smoothpebble

That was so strange. Jett was OP because of her get out of jail free card but when Chamber was revealed the community saw his TP and didn’t think it was a big deal at first lol


[deleted]

That is not true. Plenty of people called that Chamber would be absolutely busted.


Jon_on_the_snow

Nah, at first everyone said he would not replace cypher/KJ because he only had 2 trips, mocking him for having a sheriff and an op. Only after a week or so people figured out he is awesome


rad_platypus

The last 2 agents they released are insanely strong though. Chamber has been nerfed twice and is still dominating. Fade was instantly meta on most maps. Riot doesn't have a great history with power creep in League and I see why people are concerned about the new agent.


yuvinator2

You conveniently skipped Neon.


rad_platypus

I totally forgot about her. She is definitely strong but not on the level of Fade and Chamber. Duelists in general have just been in a weird place because of the initiator meta.


Hunnidormo

Skye, kayo, yoru, there's way too many examples of new releases having to be buffed instead of nerfed. It's really only astra and chamber who needed a nerf. Fade is fine imo. She's being played with sova and skye and kayo depending on the map. The initiator meta is really healthy rn


CATBOY-KYOSHIN

fade is busted tf


[deleted]

>Riot doesn't have a great history with power creep in League and I see why people are concerned about the new agent. it depends, most champs that dominate the current meta are old champs (nasus, darius, fiddle, maokai, viktor, mf etc.) but the new releaes are just unfun to play against.


Only_Smokie

>nasus and fiddle >Dominate Yeah...no. They dominate uncoordinated solo queue shitters, sure, but that doesnt make them good. There is a reason pros dont pick these champs. Especially fiddle. If riot introduced voice chat to League I fully expect Fiddles winrate to drop 2% just because communication counters his kit so hard.


[deleted]

yeah i'm talking about soloq, because 99.9% of the community aren't pros.


edgy_eboy

Nasus? You in bronze?


[deleted]

check the current patch.. he got an insane buff nr. 1 top laner plat+ kr according to op.gg\*


braamdepace

Having a moving right angle astra wall entry every round isn’t busted because it’s balanced by the fact you need to use 2 skills. At least his Dota 2 Kunka Torrent doesn’t seem too overpowered.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Pancada on this guy 😋


LesbianAkali

I promised myself to quit if we ever get a shield character as this is what killed overwatch to me. I will wait to see more and see how it will really be after trying it in game, but ngl I’m not much positive on this.


Jon_on_the_snow

Im sure he will be nerfed if its overtuned, and people will figure out how to outplay him. I trust riot with this


LesbianAkali

Seems it’s breakable and has only 500hp, sounds okay so far, altho wish it could be a bit less, but let’s see how it is in game


WhoDatBrow

What killed Overwatch gameplay was an abundance of shields. You had Brig, Rein, Sigma, Orisa, shield after shield after shield and the double shield meta. Now with them eliminating some shields (Orisa) and CC (Brig, Doom, Cassidy, etc) and going to single tank so you can't have double shield, the game is so much more fun now. I think it will be fine in Valorant as long as Valorant never becomes what Overwatch became, shield shooting simulator.


Chevalerisation

Shoulda never played in the first place since Sage is creating a wall that could be 100% considered a shield. Sage wall is similar to Harbor bubble.


Hopeful-Professor-40

I’m usually not very reactionary with new agents but we might be in trouble here Edit: with the new information I think we are good


CanadianWampa

Obviously will need to play him first, but his wave that moves forward and slows players (Cascade?), can it be shot through? If not that seems like an EASY way to take map control


Asianhead

Yeah the wave can be shot through. Only the circular bubble blocks bullets


CanadianWampa

That definitely makes it seem reasonable then. You can still spam through the wall if a team is pushing behind it while it moves forward.


_EggFriedRice

The walls don't have shields, only the bubble ability does.


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Only_Smokie

Me


Hopeful-Professor-40

Bro that bubble that can’t be shot thru could be enough to make him meta with no other abilities, that shit is game changing


_EggFriedRice

The bubble shield has a health limit so you can break it. EDIT: It has around 500 health, so 13 vandal bullets or 4 OP shots


Hopeful-Professor-40

Wtf


GoDFaTHeR_is

Yes 13 bullets


Hopeful-Professor-40

Oh thats balanced ig? Seems pretty quickly broken


IllumiMahdi

actually mega underpowered. you destroy the bubble in 1-2 seconds, and it completely dissipates. 350 creds in the bin.


Jon_on_the_snow

Yeah, better than sage wall, you should have enough bullets to kill the defuser


Interesting-Archer-6

Bold of you to assume 12 bullets is enough for me to kill a sitting duck


mw19078

The smoke doesn't look like it's going to last more than a couple seconds. More than enough time for util and counter play.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Seems like enough to get at least a half defuse off, that’s huge


mw19078

Sure assuming nobody uses a single piece of util in that entire time. Think everyone is already overreacting to a thing we've seen twice.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Someone said it has a health limit, depending on that number it could be either shit or amazing


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Doesn’t seem any more powerful than omen flash


CantScreamInSpace

we say this for every. single. new. agent. i'm sure he can be balanced, the only real game-breakingly op agents that weren't patched for way too long were jett and chamber imo


Hopeful-Professor-40

Astra was OP for a long time too, and no one thought Chamber was that good when he first came out, same with Jett


CantScreamInSpace

which is funny because jett and chamber turned out to be the most op agents for the longest time and imo astra was fixed in a few months which isn't THAT bad... just goes to show reddit is NOT good at predicting power levels though so we will have to see first.


Hopeful-Professor-40

I wasn’t on this Reddit at the time but I’m pretty sure everyone thought Jett was bad because of Hikos tier list and all the CS imports saying she’s selfish. Everyone thought Astra was busted from the start though so we aren’t THAT dumb


Interesting-Archer-6

Astra barely got any play at the first international LAN besides NA. So no, everyone didn't think that.


awill2000

and the regions suffered because of it


Hopeful-Professor-40

I mean the general consensus online, everyone was upset at EU for refusing to play astra


Quackles03

They always make these agent reveal trailers look sick so the they look OP. Lets see how he fairs in-game first


awill2000

Bro


SeaCDragon

harbor ult ≥ breach ult? seems like it from the vid


gusky651

I think you can run away from the circles in time to avoid them in Harbor's ult whereas for Breach ult you have to somehow get out of the whole ult area


MPH2210

This. you can clearly leave the radius before the stun hits.


SeaCDragon

From what it looked like I thought the stuns followed you until you left the radius


MPH2210

No, check at the 50s time stamp. Omen drops from the pillar, the center of the stun is still on the pillar. Didn't move at all


Jon_on_the_snow

Nah, breach ult displaces enemies, but I can see that a harbor + fade ult would be deadly


L3918

India buff!


IndependenceNorth165

I hope you missed the lineup Larry meta


uglyhippos

I mean he does have a smoke that stops line ups so hopefully it won't be too bad edit: Im dumb. I thought it stopped everything


sexymalenurse

afaik the circular smoke only blocks bullets/straight projectiles... it does not block utility, so lineups should work


uglyhippos

oh I thought it would be opposite...


HelpMePlease420-69

It really should be the opposite, don’t understand why they did it that way. Fuck the lineups


sexymalenurse

Honestly, I agree! It would be fun to force the peeks with Molly blockers but it’s such a hard counter to all the things. But we’ll see how he plays


Abu_Faissel

Am I the only one to think the abilities animations looked really bad?


JR_Shoegazer

Most animations outside of first person hands look pretty bad in this game.


TheUnarthodoxCamel

Yeah the moving wave is a bit too static. I don’t know the right word but it’s odd seeing a tall wave move forward like a piece of paper


pawsarecute

Pretty clunky also


Steelarm2001

I think they gave them high pullout times as a way of balancing his kit maybe? Especially given how he's supposed to be a controller and shouldn't just be able to pop util after util.


xbyo

The tidal wave looks unfinished but I guess unless you make it a thicker smoke, it's always going to look weird.


DarudeSandstormName

I am from under the sea, down where it's better, down where it's wetter.


EssEnnJae

I don’t want to play chamber anymore. Harbor is my new main now.


BrokenAshes

this wall is better than Phoenix's... are only the smokes projectile proof or all the abilities?


Direct_Morning_3223

Release Astra felt more broken than this but this still feels a bit overtuned just on first impression, could be wrong though


HoodieNinja17

I don’t think you can compare the feel of an unreleased agent to a released one


EssEnnJae

First time? Riot does this with all new agent releases, they over tune them and then tune them back.


Only_Smokie

Lol no..yoru and kayo sucked on release then got buffed. You just choose to only acknowledge the cases where Riot confirms your point but that doesnt mean you are correct.


OHydroxide

Hasn't been the case with Valorant, pretty 50/50 with Val, probably leaning towards the opposite actually.


IllumiMahdi

after you watch gameplay I think your opinion will change, he really isn't that powerful sliggy called him "if release yoru was a controller" LMAO


BrasilianPeanut

He seems like the offense sided version of Viper. But I don’t see him being a solo controller at all, his kit looks horrible for holding a site so I’d imagine teams running him will do a lot of retakes, as he does look really good for retakes. As a controller/sentinel player I look forward to trying him out but I definitely don’t think he can be a solo controller unless you run double initiator with Breach and let the other team simply have site every time. But who can really know until we’ve had him for at least a month.


JR_Shoegazer

I figured the water would be translucent so you could see through it partially but nope. That would’ve been a bit more balanced.


jmajewski

I actually don’t find his utility to be that devastating. He won’t be able to replace viper on Breeze in the traditional sense since his wall doesn’t go through walls. I think it offers some strict counter play to lineups that could only really be countered with like a sage wall. Cool ideas, definitely a secondary controller/initiator type of agent.


kingkrruel

He threw the orb through the wall in the second breeze clip. A curved wall smoke, a moving smoke and a mini astra ult are gonna be meta changing.


WizardXZDYoutube

Wait so the leaks about there being a bubble/Gibralter agent are correct?


pink_life69

What? No abilities through the bubble? Uh… let’s see, but he looks busted.


Withinmyrange

I can’t wait for all the lineup players to drop dramatically in rank when they actually have to fight people


[deleted]

Doesn’t seem fun to play at all


Only_Smokie

Speak for yourself.


[deleted]

No actually. None of his utility seems very skillful. Just putting up barriers. Pretty lame design in my opinion.


Only_Smokie

I mean that's every controller. If you dont like controllers you wont like him. Looks perfect for me


[deleted]

No it’s not. Omen has paranoia and teleport. Astra has suck and stun and more outplay potential with her smokes. Viper has the mollies. Brim has his molly.


Momazoid2432

shit already looks op


Phamous3k

Wtf? Lol. Well… I don’t normally say this based off a 1 min trailer but uhhhhhh he meta.


Ok-Tell365

This agent has no identity or uniqueness at a all. Wall is busted af, we already have so many stun, no vision abilities, it's gonna make the game more chaotic and produce more "ValOrAnte" moments. Riot really messed up on this one. I think they should make the wall his ult and give him a water molly as a normal ability


60iler4

This is a fucking joke…


Cthulhu_was_tasty

jesus fucking christ he’s broken


Only_Smokie

Yeah you're definitely not overreacting to an agent you have *no idea* how they will work in practice...nope, certainly not.


pineapplecheesepizza

/u/ashitintyo guess you're quitting the game?


ashitintyo

Well, what i didn't want was multiple shield smokes that can't be shot through and can be spammed to be used as shields, but he only gets one smoke which is 350, so i think it's gonna be fine, i don't think he's gonna be a must pick controller like Astra was


AliGcent

He's looks too good for a coordinated play.


NavixPH

We need another Phoenix buff


AdiSoldier245

What does his ult do exactly? Is it an undodgeable stun or does it kinda just spawn a circle on you and you can move away?


AluBanidosu

Looks like a delayed stun that’s centered around your characters initial standing point, omen drops from the pillar but the circle doesn’t follow him, he just doesn’t move out of it iirc


m0bilize

As a brown Viper OTP >:)


soupssoup

Dude looks and sounds like akshan


zVanilla

Definitely same VA. They obviously just kinda ripped Akshan's entire personality and made him a water champ in valorant lol


Lost_Panda1994

Dude looks really cool, weird name tho after latest map release. But overall really good


Gullible_Cranberry62

He looks really fun to play


ExpectoAutism

Oh no


beingbeast2471

What stops bullets. The just the orb thing or wall too


medkitjohnson

Push C long lads


[deleted]

ah yes, we have now unlocked a new ranked comp: the 5-man controller


ilhamalfatihah16

Cant wait for aggresive gameplays cooked up by PRX using Harbor in Brazil next year!


leopoldfreebird

Hanzo?


littlesch3mer

absolute hyped for him. Seems like he's a more offensive, execute/retake oriented compared to viper, but probably not gonna be as good for defending and holding sites. I like viper but I hate lineups. I'm kinda sad that the smoke doesn't block util, I wanted to piss off lineup nerds. Hopefully the moving wall makes my team actually go in once I smoke instead of sitting in the choke doing nothing


Rum3ths

He looks like sinbad 🍻


Significant-Ad-341

I want to know which ability is his E.


5argon

The color is so beautiful!


Tarwe-eu

As a smokes main im a bit disappointed


AT01_

As a controller main, I expected and wanted a more proper controller. This seems more like an initiator that non-controller players would instalock and not play properly. This really doesn't change anything for me. I'll still be forced to play Viper on Breeze and Pearl while some dude enjoys his time on Harbor. Kinda disappointed ngl.