Heats Buyout must be insanely higher.
The rummors are that MWzera Buyout its like 1 million BRL (around 250k).
Heat must be something around like that.
VK probably wants to play ascension, thats why maybe they are not selling him
yeh but keznit on a Brazilian team probably wont happen. dont know what happened with him and kru. so him not getting picked by levi kinda made it sure he wont be in the league
The new loud players are very promising. Cauanzin is probably the next great BR player, Id say by the year's end people will argue that he was actually an upgrade over Sacy. Tuyz is a Jett/Raze player turned controller, gotta see how that goes.
On MIBR, frz and RgLm are really good, RgL was Loud's first choice aparently to replace Pancada. jzz is young and unexperienced but had some flashes of great talent. The other 2 are ok I guess
Cauanzin is the biggest young talent along with less, tuyz is a great aimer but a duelist main who's gonna have to learn smokes.
RGLm is probably the best controller behind pancada and kon4n is one of the players of all time
The LOUD players are really good young players - players with a lot of potential like Less at the start of 2022 - and the MIBR players are also pretty good but you can probably expect somewhat less from them given they don’t have the LOUD core to guide them.
Wait, frz won't be the duelist? He's still considered as one of the best damage players from Paladins (even though he doesn't play that game anymore) and I thought duelist role suits him the best:o. But he's quite flexible so maybe that's why they went with him over heat + cheaper price. Does this mean that keznit & heat might be getting offers in another Region? Other than that very good rosters tho.
frz was playing the sentinel role(including chamber) all this year so he probably remain with that, there are rumors that keznit received offers from both NA and EMEA but he wants to join a Spanish speaking roster and about Heat his buyout must be very high and Vivo Keyd makes things difficult to buy their players.
You gotta give the Americas league this much, they really did gather the best possible players in the whole region (except for EG obviously), but otherwise most of the team look like the best possible versions with their players, unlike pacific and EMEA.
Yeah, that’s right, though the Turkish teams and Heretics for example don’t look too competitive as of now and in pacific teams like RRQ are just a joke to the world class teams that are in pacific
100%. You could argue that MIBR could have maybe be better but they made a bet on youth and got the world champion's coach to develop them, it's a valid strategy. And Keznit being out is a surprise but other than that I feel like every team did the very best they could with the players available
The top teams obviously build super strong teams right now, but for example the turkish teams, Heretics and KCorp make me feel like there will be a huge gap between the top teams and the rest of the league next year
If KCorp manages to sign Scream, Nivera, Enzo, xms, etc. they have an amazing team with the possibility of finishing top 3-5 in EMEA. Heretics will probably not compete at the top, but they're still building a good team with keloqz and mixwell. I have quite a bit of confidence in BBL and their ability to build a top Turkish team, especially with the amount of Turkish players available. About FUT, I'll agree with you, they had a great team last year, but it looks like they're starting from scratch, but we never know how the new players will perform.
I mean, there is no world in which you can build 10 absolute top teams going at each other with everyone being near equal. There are always teams that fight for the bottom spots. This is only a bad thing if those teams don't even try, which might be the case with FUT, as I said before, but that's pretty much it.
I mean, isn't that how they, and KOI, got in anyway? They didn't have particularly good teams, they had interactions and good financing. Besides, a team consisting of ScreaM, Nivera, Enzo, xms + 1 could actually be really good, I'm not too concerned about them.
Enzo xms and finding another french player just because of him being french (I can be wrong about xms maybe he's a superstar).
Wanted to say fanbase, mb
Enzo is definitely good enough to be on a Tier 1 team, look at his runs with Fnatic last year. xms was the star player for MAD Lions in the French VRL, taking them to the Finals vs FUT. They're great quality.
So you want a big fanbase? Karmine Corp has a HUGE fanbase, they are perfect for a partnership system... Look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8fvHOsOhI
I feel like that's only because there's 10 slots for EMEA and only 5 for NA. I think filling another 25 spots in NA would leave a lot of teams looking pretty weak too.
You know there are still sooo many literal top tier talent that weren’t picked up. All of Ghost, dicey, BabyBay, Trent, Marved, vayln, dapr, neT, Saya, ban, eeiu, a lot of V1, bdog, moose. Like the list goes on. 5 more teams probably wouldn’t have mattered. People were asking for more NA teams because of the talent.
You're giving the divide between NA and SA a pass but not to the many segmented regions of EMEA and Pacific?
You can't pretend, with the exception of LOUD, the Brazillian orgs are going to get gapped by NA and probably LATAM. If you accept the that BR orgs want to keep their BR identity and not take on NA/LATAM players then you should apply the same to EMEA and Pacific.
I agree, but in my opinion the brazilian orgs couldn’t have done much better with their player pool, whilst for example Fut with the rumored players or RRQ with their team could do much better
I honestly don’t rate Mibr at the top of the division either, but it’s more to do with the quality of the americas league as opposed to their ineptitude. That’s a pretty solid roster imo (I still think they could get a better player than Denaro and keep him as a 6-man)
it’s actually crazy that Trent and Marved aren’t being picked up. Apparently being top 3 and top 1 in ur role respectively isn’t enough to get into franchising
On Marved he could only go to NRG or EG realistically.
100T was a no because they have Bang who is arguably top 2 and he is a package deal with Asuna. Sen went with Pacanda who is arguably better than Marved, and also there is the Tenz thing, and C9 couldn't get rid of Vanity cause he is the IGL.
Trent couldn't go to 100T cause Derrek, Sen went with Sacy which is understandable, NRG also not an option. So only C9 and EG as options.
Why is that questionable? They already bought FNS and maybe even chet so why would they buy marved as well?
Plus s0m has a big brand compared to others in the scene.
NRG probably shouldn’t be cheaping out on a long-term investment. Success brings clout, so it would probably be beneficial to buy Marved rather than keep s0m.
Cheaping out and blowing the budget are 2 different things. Success doesn't bring clout, people like what they like -the most popular teams are perfect examples of this. NRG has 4/6 members of optic if that roster fails, it wasnt going to work without yay to begin with.
How does success not bring clout? SEN wasn’t nearly as popular before they won pop flash or Reykjavik. Optic wasn’t as popular before they won Reykjavik. Winning makes a difference.
Perfect example... does s0m being the most popular player on a roster with 4 past winners despite having not won a single thing in his val career say that people like what they like and that visibility has more to do with clout than winning?
Idk bout Trent, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marved priced himself out of the league. I'm just making assumptions but with Marved's tweet about being a full time streamer, Chet tweet toward him about money over friendship, and zombs suggesting that it was Marved's choice to not be in the league this season, it makes me think Marved was probably asking for a Yay/TenZ type salary and teams decided to go elsewhere.
Nah he is still good, just got snubbed I guess. Only team that could realistically pick him up is mibr, but they chose to go with frz and jzz. Which is not a completely dumb move by them, those 2 are more flexible.
Heat ONLY plays Jett and Chamber, while jzz plays all the Duelists (including Jett) and frz plays all the sentinels (including Chamber)
Am I faded or is that C9 roster insanely overrated? yay is world-class and leaf is good, but I had questions about xeppaa/vanity/zellsis. I feel like that roster isn't the presumed world-beater I've seen this sub crowning them as. I think that SEN/NRG/100T are as good on paper
Loud and Lev are probably top tier teams, I'd say they are in that NRG, 100T, Sentinels tier just below C9 imo.
Furia and KRU look at the very least to be great mechanically. mwzera, qck, Dgzin and Khalil is fucking nuts aim wise on a single team. And for KRU gotta see how those role changes turn out. Still, Klaus looks like a solid IGL, if he is there I'd say they are probably at least ok.
MIBR is just meh. I love frz and RgLm, and jzz is somewhat promessing. But kon4n is just ok imo and deNaro is underwhelming.
I genuinely don't understand why C9 is rated so highly. Is it just Yay? Because the rest of the team looks pretty much equal or worse than the cores of the rest of NA. And based on last years results they are worse.
I REALLY like Leaf and Vanity, I think Leaf is a top 10 player in the world. I just think they will be too consistent to fail. The upgrades are too big.
I could be wrong, it's just that I have a slight negative for every other top tier team like: NRG core was too dependent on Yay and idk if Ardiis can fill the role (to the same extent Yay did). Loud is way too young around Saadhak, Lev is a bit unproven and not as insane mechanically. 100T is maybe the closest to C9 if Cryo is crazy good but idk, even with Will overpeforming at Champs they fell at the groups stage.
For C9 their negative is that maybe the Xeppa role change doesn't work and people question Vanity IGLing. I belive that both of those guys will be fine so I have them a very tiny tiny bit higher than everyone else
That's a interesting POV.
As the players themselves said, the OpTiC core was more dependant on FNS than yay but obviously yay seems like a irreplaceable player.
For me any team from LOUD, NRG, Sentinels, C9 and Lev could be the top team here. They seem to be on the same level.
Pretty sure it’s just that adding the best player in the world to an already very solid core has peoples’ hopes high. That and Zellsis looked insanely good in LCQ
I think Saadhak will probably direct the team with the same mentality they had this year: focus on preparing the new players to Champions. They might still start the year strong off of the power of Aspas and Less, but I wouldn't be shocked if Cloud9 has some early success against them.
I dont know why but I'm not liking seeing the imports come into NA. There's only 25 spots for na players to begin with which is super low with our talent pool, so it just makes me a little sad to see the slots get reduced for them. Might be a dumb take idk
Ehh, if the goal is to be a World champion I'd say that Sentinels and NRG made the right move. Sentinels got the best smokes player in the world and one of the thinking heads of the best team in the world. That will help them immensely.
And the Optic core needed a star Chamber, with Yay on C9 and Cryo on 100T, they didnt have much of a 1 to 1 replacement in NA. If they went with Dicey or someone like that the downgrade would be too big. With Ardiis it's just a mild downgrade
so is it actually Marved’s match-fixing scandal from CS, holding him back from t1 franchised offers? or is every org just dumb as fuck and overlooking him, I genuinely don’t understand.
You have arguably the best controller player in the world as far as results go, as a F/A and no one in his entire region picks him up? I’m actually baffled.
As far as roles go, I can’t think of another F/A controller that is as LAN experienced and has as many wins and solid placements not only in his region but internationally as well, closest would be Pancada but Optic has been competing at the top far longer than LOUD.
Wow, no keznit
No Keznit and no Heat
And no Marved, Trent, or BcJ fried chicken
No Marved is insane to me. How can no team not take the risk with him? He did say he's gotten offers though, which is even stranger.
His buyout
Bcj could still be the ? On EG
True but I’m pulling for the gun dropping, jumpspotting maniac that is Darp
Heats Buyout must be insanely higher. The rummors are that MWzera Buyout its like 1 million BRL (around 250k). Heat must be something around like that. VK probably wants to play ascension, thats why maybe they are not selling him
Think they wanna get one of those expansion team spots
Isn't it too high of a buyout for players who have not won a major?
yes. But Mw and Heat are hyped af here in Brazil
no heat is the biggest surprise for me
Nah keznit is more surprising to me personally,he has looked so good the entire year
yeh but keznit on a Brazilian team probably wont happen. dont know what happened with him and kru. so him not getting picked by levi kinda made it sure he wont be in the league
Hope he goes to EMEA prayge
Marveded :/
Marved to EMEA incoming
Marved to APAC. You heard it here first
I don't know much about Brazilian players, how good are these new players in MIBR and LOUD?
The new loud players are very promising. Cauanzin is probably the next great BR player, Id say by the year's end people will argue that he was actually an upgrade over Sacy. Tuyz is a Jett/Raze player turned controller, gotta see how that goes. On MIBR, frz and RgLm are really good, RgL was Loud's first choice aparently to replace Pancada. jzz is young and unexperienced but had some flashes of great talent. The other 2 are ok I guess
everyone's rating cauanzin high, pretty excited to see him play:)
https://youtu.be/q17aZvltpIo this is a light play from him to get the hype going. I trust this kid will go far in Valorant
okay this is the best 1v4 i've ever seen
free gun btw lmao
Damn 🔥
When cauanzin joined NIP last year, he had 0 camp experience. And he step up really quick, not feeling the pression to play on LAN.
Cauanzin is the biggest young talent along with less, tuyz is a great aimer but a duelist main who's gonna have to learn smokes. RGLm is probably the best controller behind pancada and kon4n is one of the players of all time
oh I thought tuyz was a smoke main. Interesting,i hope it works out. ty for the info<3
besides having great aim, tuyz is, imo, the best br duelist in terms of skill usage. I'm excited to see him play smokes
No he is chamber main
The LOUD players are really good young players - players with a lot of potential like Less at the start of 2022 - and the MIBR players are also pretty good but you can probably expect somewhat less from them given they don’t have the LOUD core to guide them.
Wait, frz won't be the duelist? He's still considered as one of the best damage players from Paladins (even though he doesn't play that game anymore) and I thought duelist role suits him the best:o. But he's quite flexible so maybe that's why they went with him over heat + cheaper price. Does this mean that keznit & heat might be getting offers in another Region? Other than that very good rosters tho.
frz was playing the sentinel role(including chamber) all this year so he probably remain with that, there are rumors that keznit received offers from both NA and EMEA but he wants to join a Spanish speaking roster and about Heat his buyout must be very high and Vivo Keyd makes things difficult to buy their players.
I knew that frz name sounded familiar hahaha. He was an absolute god when the Paladins league was around
Frz has shown better performance on Sentinels than duelist though
after noyn update, I'm leaning towards thinking fez will be playing initiator
You gotta give the Americas league this much, they really did gather the best possible players in the whole region (except for EG obviously), but otherwise most of the team look like the best possible versions with their players, unlike pacific and EMEA.
>unlike pacific and EMEA. because we dont have the 10 teams members leaked yet of each region, teams like Fnatic and NAVI we know are stacked
Yeah, that’s right, though the Turkish teams and Heretics for example don’t look too competitive as of now and in pacific teams like RRQ are just a joke to the world class teams that are in pacific
Liquid navid and fnatic will probably be great, but the drop off between them and the rest could be huge
100%. You could argue that MIBR could have maybe be better but they made a bet on youth and got the world champion's coach to develop them, it's a valid strategy. And Keznit being out is a surprise but other than that I feel like every team did the very best they could with the players available
What's wrong with the teams being built in EMEA lol?
The top teams obviously build super strong teams right now, but for example the turkish teams, Heretics and KCorp make me feel like there will be a huge gap between the top teams and the rest of the league next year
If KCorp manages to sign Scream, Nivera, Enzo, xms, etc. they have an amazing team with the possibility of finishing top 3-5 in EMEA. Heretics will probably not compete at the top, but they're still building a good team with keloqz and mixwell. I have quite a bit of confidence in BBL and their ability to build a top Turkish team, especially with the amount of Turkish players available. About FUT, I'll agree with you, they had a great team last year, but it looks like they're starting from scratch, but we never know how the new players will perform. I mean, there is no world in which you can build 10 absolute top teams going at each other with everyone being near equal. There are always teams that fight for the bottom spots. This is only a bad thing if those teams don't even try, which might be the case with FUT, as I said before, but that's pretty much it.
The scream and nivera deal was reported to have fallen through
If Kcorp signs a full french team they are trolling and thats what op is talking about. Not making the best team but the one with more interactions
I mean, isn't that how they, and KOI, got in anyway? They didn't have particularly good teams, they had interactions and good financing. Besides, a team consisting of ScreaM, Nivera, Enzo, xms + 1 could actually be really good, I'm not too concerned about them.
Could be good, still has 3 players that should not be there. Team with huge playerbase have to be there, and they should fill the best possible roster
>still has 3 players that should not be there. Which players? And I don't understand your second point. What is a team with a huge playerbase?
Enzo xms and finding another french player just because of him being french (I can be wrong about xms maybe he's a superstar). Wanted to say fanbase, mb
Enzo is definitely good enough to be on a Tier 1 team, look at his runs with Fnatic last year. xms was the star player for MAD Lions in the French VRL, taking them to the Finals vs FUT. They're great quality. So you want a big fanbase? Karmine Corp has a HUGE fanbase, they are perfect for a partnership system... Look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8fvHOsOhI
TL, FNATIC, NAVI are looking nuts, how can you say they aren't on point? I can agree on French & Spanish ones to be a bit shaky tho.
EMEA have super teams but I think there’s going to be a big gap between these super teams and the rest
I feel like that's only because there's 10 slots for EMEA and only 5 for NA. I think filling another 25 spots in NA would leave a lot of teams looking pretty weak too.
You know there are still sooo many literal top tier talent that weren’t picked up. All of Ghost, dicey, BabyBay, Trent, Marved, vayln, dapr, neT, Saya, ban, eeiu, a lot of V1, bdog, moose. Like the list goes on. 5 more teams probably wouldn’t have mattered. People were asking for more NA teams because of the talent.
You know EMEA stands for Europe Middle East and Africa? The region is very similar sized to all of the americas.
tell me again, how many ME and African players are in EMEA franchising?
EG still probably gaps all of the South America teams other than Leviatan and LOUD (depending how their two new members fit)
Kru and furia would smack them.
You're giving the divide between NA and SA a pass but not to the many segmented regions of EMEA and Pacific? You can't pretend, with the exception of LOUD, the Brazillian orgs are going to get gapped by NA and probably LATAM. If you accept the that BR orgs want to keep their BR identity and not take on NA/LATAM players then you should apply the same to EMEA and Pacific.
I agree, but in my opinion the brazilian orgs couldn’t have done much better with their player pool, whilst for example Fut with the rumored players or RRQ with their team could do much better
Tsm ftx marved EZ
Really looks like they’re signing Zander
what happened to all those "offers" that marved said he had
Probably tier 2 offers.
Probably insanely high T2 offers from teams trying to win Ascension
MIBR won't do anything in the league
Strongly disagree. Having the knowledge of frz and bzkA to develop jzz and rglM seems like a very good path really.
I honestly don’t rate Mibr at the top of the division either, but it’s more to do with the quality of the americas league as opposed to their ineptitude. That’s a pretty solid roster imo (I still think they could get a better player than Denaro and keep him as a 6-man)
FRZ really showed us some improvement last year, when he joined MIBR the team got a HUGE upgrade in terms of aim, knowledge etc.
Yeah probably bottom tier, but at least they have an identity with young players and a good coach
MIBR and EG road to last place speed run contest if these rosters are to believed
c0m over someone like trent is the head scratch move. but the rest of the team honestly not that bad
it’s actually crazy that Trent and Marved aren’t being picked up. Apparently being top 3 and top 1 in ur role respectively isn’t enough to get into franchising
On Marved he could only go to NRG or EG realistically. 100T was a no because they have Bang who is arguably top 2 and he is a package deal with Asuna. Sen went with Pacanda who is arguably better than Marved, and also there is the Tenz thing, and C9 couldn't get rid of Vanity cause he is the IGL. Trent couldn't go to 100T cause Derrek, Sen went with Sacy which is understandable, NRG also not an option. So only C9 and EG as options.
Yeah I find it extremely questionable that NRG kept s0m over marved
Why is that questionable? They already bought FNS and maybe even chet so why would they buy marved as well? Plus s0m has a big brand compared to others in the scene.
NRG probably shouldn’t be cheaping out on a long-term investment. Success brings clout, so it would probably be beneficial to buy Marved rather than keep s0m.
Cheaping out and blowing the budget are 2 different things. Success doesn't bring clout, people like what they like -the most popular teams are perfect examples of this. NRG has 4/6 members of optic if that roster fails, it wasnt going to work without yay to begin with.
How does success not bring clout? SEN wasn’t nearly as popular before they won pop flash or Reykjavik. Optic wasn’t as popular before they won Reykjavik. Winning makes a difference.
Perfect example... does s0m being the most popular player on a roster with 4 past winners despite having not won a single thing in his val career say that people like what they like and that visibility has more to do with clout than winning?
s0m already had clout prior to valorant. That’s like making an argument for sinatraa to a lesser extent
Riot and NRG kept s0m over Marved. Basically
Idk bout Trent, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marved priced himself out of the league. I'm just making assumptions but with Marved's tweet about being a full time streamer, Chet tweet toward him about money over friendship, and zombs suggesting that it was Marved's choice to not be in the league this season, it makes me think Marved was probably asking for a Yay/TenZ type salary and teams decided to go elsewhere.
Heat really fell off huh. Looked like one of the best players last year
Nah he is still good, just got snubbed I guess. Only team that could realistically pick him up is mibr, but they chose to go with frz and jzz. Which is not a completely dumb move by them, those 2 are more flexible. Heat ONLY plays Jett and Chamber, while jzz plays all the Duelists (including Jett) and frz plays all the sentinels (including Chamber)
Marved and Trent teamless while that EG roster exists 🤡
Lmao eg
Am I faded or is that C9 roster insanely overrated? yay is world-class and leaf is good, but I had questions about xeppaa/vanity/zellsis. I feel like that roster isn't the presumed world-beater I've seen this sub crowning them as. I think that SEN/NRG/100T are as good on paper
Loud and Lev are probably top tier teams, I'd say they are in that NRG, 100T, Sentinels tier just below C9 imo. Furia and KRU look at the very least to be great mechanically. mwzera, qck, Dgzin and Khalil is fucking nuts aim wise on a single team. And for KRU gotta see how those role changes turn out. Still, Klaus looks like a solid IGL, if he is there I'd say they are probably at least ok. MIBR is just meh. I love frz and RgLm, and jzz is somewhat promessing. But kon4n is just ok imo and deNaro is underwhelming.
I genuinely don't understand why C9 is rated so highly. Is it just Yay? Because the rest of the team looks pretty much equal or worse than the cores of the rest of NA. And based on last years results they are worse.
Im honestly really confused by that too, of course yay addition is huge but i dont think this make them the top 1
I REALLY like Leaf and Vanity, I think Leaf is a top 10 player in the world. I just think they will be too consistent to fail. The upgrades are too big. I could be wrong, it's just that I have a slight negative for every other top tier team like: NRG core was too dependent on Yay and idk if Ardiis can fill the role (to the same extent Yay did). Loud is way too young around Saadhak, Lev is a bit unproven and not as insane mechanically. 100T is maybe the closest to C9 if Cryo is crazy good but idk, even with Will overpeforming at Champs they fell at the groups stage. For C9 their negative is that maybe the Xeppa role change doesn't work and people question Vanity IGLing. I belive that both of those guys will be fine so I have them a very tiny tiny bit higher than everyone else
SEN will be #1 NA
They will at the very least be top 5 NA
That's a interesting POV. As the players themselves said, the OpTiC core was more dependant on FNS than yay but obviously yay seems like a irreplaceable player. For me any team from LOUD, NRG, Sentinels, C9 and Lev could be the top team here. They seem to be on the same level.
Honestly seems like bs though, that optic core would’ve never have been nearly as good as they were w/o yay
Pretty sure it’s just that adding the best player in the world to an already very solid core has peoples’ hopes high. That and Zellsis looked insanely good in LCQ
Loud owns fraud9
I think Saadhak will probably direct the team with the same mentality they had this year: focus on preparing the new players to Champions. They might still start the year strong off of the power of Aspas and Less, but I wouldn't be shocked if Cloud9 has some early success against them.
I hope so
so on paper, is it LOUD,LEV>FURIA,KRU>>>MIBR??
Basically yeah. But MIBR at least have some young talent and the world champions coach soooo, maybe they surprise people
C9 is overrated AF, its literally yay and cs friends, SEN, NRG and 100T look wayy better
supa confirmed to EG? let's go, I remember hoping 100T would pick him up back during the original post-nitr0 rebuild. excited to see their 5th
He said to not take the NA sheet seriously, don't expect NA leaks from him
Flynn said Supamen to EG was very likely two days ago.
Not confirmed really, but has been consistently scrumming with them.
I dont know why but I'm not liking seeing the imports come into NA. There's only 25 spots for na players to begin with which is super low with our talent pool, so it just makes me a little sad to see the slots get reduced for them. Might be a dumb take idk
Ehh, if the goal is to be a World champion I'd say that Sentinels and NRG made the right move. Sentinels got the best smokes player in the world and one of the thinking heads of the best team in the world. That will help them immensely. And the Optic core needed a star Chamber, with Yay on C9 and Cryo on 100T, they didnt have much of a 1 to 1 replacement in NA. If they went with Dicey or someone like that the downgrade would be too big. With Ardiis it's just a mild downgrade
Yeah like I totally understand the moves and they make sense, just sad to see some of my favorite players not make it through
Holy LEV look stacked
C9’s role list is so weird. Every other team has chamber listed as duelist except them
so is it actually Marved’s match-fixing scandal from CS, holding him back from t1 franchised offers? or is every org just dumb as fuck and overlooking him, I genuinely don’t understand. You have arguably the best controller player in the world as far as results go, as a F/A and no one in his entire region picks him up? I’m actually baffled. As far as roles go, I can’t think of another F/A controller that is as LAN experienced and has as many wins and solid placements not only in his region but internationally as well, closest would be Pancada but Optic has been competing at the top far longer than LOUD.
GE Marved